EU seeks peace as Ukraine death toll hits 75

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bill1212 wrote:

News flash, the president of Ukraine is the problem! Let the president roam as he pleases but restrict Ukrainian citizens from traveling and ban VISAs? Who is supposed to hurt other than the citizens of Ukraine? It’s strange that obama gives weapons and tons of money to every muslim country in the world but this is the best he can do for the people of Ukraine!

Feb 19, 2014 8:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Yamayoko wrote:

Any sanctions imposed on Ukraine will make this country ever more dependent on Russia for survival. Kerry’s suggestion is not a wise move. Sanctions on Russia work better, but coward Obama got no guts.
Never trust US mouthpiece, Ukrainians need self-rescue.

Feb 19, 2014 8:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlexZ83 wrote:

This is the right time for cooling down and relaxing the tensions. Ukraine is a country of 46 million people and an escalation of this kind will have many dire consequences that will surely not remain localized to the region. It appears that once again the west is rushing head first into a crisis they cannot possibly control and western leaders appear not to hqve a plan. Eastern Ukraine is home to 40% of the former Soviet union’s military and aerospace industrial complex. The factories there to this day still make components for the Russian airplanes, missiles and spacecraft. It is foolish to think Russia will allow this industry to fall in western hands without a challenge. The right wing radicals in Ukraine are hell bent on escalating the situation in a hope they will provoke the west into a hasty move, and the west appears to be swallowing the bait. Make no mistake, the images of men armed with rifles and pistols on the Kiev barricades were seen by the whole world by now. These people are not “peaceful demonstrators”. If Ukraine is pushed down the path of civil war, you can be sure as hell, Russia will intervene. What will be the western response in that case? Will NATO choose to jump in from the west? Is anyone even prepared to contemplate such a chain of events? Does anyone really think partitioning Ukraine along some ancient pre-WWI (that’s right, pre-1914) lines is a viable possibility? What will the western part be called? How long will it take for the world to recognise this new state? How about a seat in the UN? Someone in the west needs to wake up and smell the coffee. The situation is dangerously heading towards an all-out confrontation between the two nuclear superpowers and in the name of what or better yet who? A bunch of neo-nazi punks who still think the WWII is on? Please, tell me you have a better answer than that!

Feb 19, 2014 10:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LenicGB wrote:

@Yamayoko – Why would the U.S. or the EU impose sanctions on Russia? The Russian Federation has not broken any laws; sure the back room deals and the foreign aid are making things difficult, but this is entirely on the shoulders of the Ukraine. The actions of the Ukrainian government taking action that is presumably against the will of the people of Ukraine is the reason you’re seeing these protests on the street. These are internal Ukrainian matters.

Do you even know what you’re talking about?

Feb 19, 2014 11:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Verpoly wrote:

@AlexZ83

You bet, the current U.S. will not open any confrontation with Russia just for the sake of peanut Ukraine. To say the conflict would widen to the region and to the world leading to WW3 with nuke risk is just an over-exaggeration.

We all know the opposition comprises extremists and rational moderates from different factions in Ukraine. The breach of peace or truce was carried out bt radicals in defiance of what their moderate leader had agreed upon with gov. This fiasco would only be solved when opposition has a united voice and position in future talks.

If Putin decides to intervene with Russian troops to crush this revolution, that’s entirely another topic for UN deal with.

So LenicGB, mulling a threat of sanction on Russia, though empirically impossible to implement, might serve as a warning to Putin not to meddle too much on this sovereign member of Commonwealth of Independent States since early 1990s.

Feb 19, 2014 11:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Out of 26 people killed in fighting, 10 are police officers. More than 300 police officers are hospitalized, more than 70 of them with gunshot wounds. So much for “peaceful protesters” an “excessive force”.

Feb 20, 2014 12:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Out of 26 people killed in fighting, 10 are police officers. More than 300 police officers are hospitalized, more than 70 of them with gunshot wounds. So much for “peaceful protesters” an “excessive force”.

Feb 20, 2014 12:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
bgamall wrote:

test

Feb 20, 2014 1:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
bgamall wrote:

test

Feb 20, 2014 1:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
bgamall wrote:

The west is fomenting this coup. The west press is lying to us.

Feb 20, 2014 1:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
Yamayoko wrote:

@LenicGB – You may be right at face value, but sanctions imposed on Iran were not related to any breach of international law. It’s attributed to suspicion of Iran’s perpetuating a nuclear ambition that is not acceptable to the West. Which law of world that says some countries cannot possess nuke ? …None, right?

Of course we need a legitimate excuse, with objectively convincing proof for something like that on a big power Russia.

Feb 20, 2014 1:27am EST  --  Report as abuse

Right now in the center of Kiev professional snipers are working.
They have locations on roofs on the nearest buildings.
Snipers target in head, neck, and heart.
Their aim is not limitation of movements and physical abilities of people but to kill them one by one.

Feb 20, 2014 6:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

There’s something very wrong with this so called “protest”. It looks very manipulated.

Feb 20, 2014 6:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
Marina_Kuzm wrote:

There are thousands of photos in the internet thet prove that Riot police uses REAL weapons against unarmed protestants
THERE ARE SNIPERS working and shooting people !!! There are at least 15 people killed by snipers!!!!!!!!
At 2:30 pm on Kiev time Yanukovich wants to declare a STATE OF EMERGENCY!!! This means no radio, internet, television. Ukraine will be isolated and that means thousands of people on Maidan will die! WE CAN NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!!! They already have snipers that shoot people, image whats is going to happen if they will “shut down the lights”? Please, don’t stay ignorant
Let the world know

Feb 20, 2014 7:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

of course, there is no way a truce can hold, when Putin is in back of the country’s rulers, literally calling the shots…only reason there would be a pause in the turmoil, was so putin could dictate, how they should consolidate their forces, move the appropriate suppressors to the right cities and start killing more of the key free people…faster

Feb 20, 2014 7:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Miheico wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8

Feb 20, 2014 7:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
Miheico wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8

Feb 20, 2014 7:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
878 wrote:

can usa sanction russia

Feb 20, 2014 7:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
sorcerer001 wrote:

Have you seen that, Janukowycz i killing people with snipers …

http://www.tvn24.pl/kalasznikowy-w-rekach-berkutu-ludzie-rozstrzelani-w-bialy-dzien,400276,s.html

Feb 20, 2014 7:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
ReverendJim wrote:

“Our approach in the United States is not to see these as some Cold War chessboard in which we’re in competition with Russia,”

The problem, diplomatically, is that Putin’s government and their allies are incapable of seeing anything in any way other than a cold war view. It is obvious now, that The U.S.S.R did not collapse. They just managed to trick their own people into thinking they did.

Feb 20, 2014 8:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
4sight2020 wrote:

you can’t throw molotov cocktails at police and then complain when they shoot at you.

Feb 20, 2014 8:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
Alang-Pelikat wrote:

Can Russia accept US meddling in Ukraine? Can US accept Russian meddling in Mexico or Canada? Should Europe sanction Ukraine, Russia should also sanction Europe by cutting its oil supplies. If sanctions are right for Europe to impose on others, sanctions should also be right for Russia to impose on Europe.

Feb 20, 2014 8:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
MudCow wrote:

President Yanokovich’s credibility is in serious doubt. Not longer than 20 hrs after he declared a truce, the country is again turned into another upheaval of violence and bloodshed.

Is he still in grip of his military police or not ? Also the opposition leader seemed to have represented nobody but himself. Ukraine, wishful of God’s blessings, is really in anarchy.

Feb 20, 2014 8:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
UrDrighten wrote:

The “protesters” are extreme right-wing nationalists who are now using death and arson to bully the majority of Ukrainians into accepting an economy damaging loan from the IMF and a relationship with the EU.

Yanukovich is treating his murderous right-wing “protesters” the same way that Obama would treat Marxist “protesters” who converged on Washington, DC, occupied the Mall, threw firebombs into government buildings, and used guns to wound and kill cops. Obama wouldn’t call for new elections or offer Marxists seats in Congress and positions on his cabinet just to get the Marxists to settle down. Consequently, Obama (and Hollande) are being profound hypocrites to even contemplate sanctions against Ukraine.

If anybody sanctions Ukraine, Russia ought to sanction that country for payback.

Feb 20, 2014 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

Yea so we wont sweeten the deal for Ukraine to join the west but we will sanction them?

This genius idea will only push Ukraine deeper into the Russian fold.

Feb 20, 2014 9:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
Yashmak wrote:

I’ve gotta agree with Yamayoko. Sanctions seem like they’d only drive the Ukraine further into the arms of Russia.

The reports I’m reading from elsewhere indicate that there were indeed snipers being employed, but by the security forces, not the protestors.

Feb 20, 2014 10:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
BlueCannon wrote:

@4sight2020,mudcow – This truce is a farce. Yanokivich has been sidelined for his “soft hands” by Putin who merely push this puppet to front stage to demand surrender by protesters. Ceasefire is the puppet’s hope and empty promise the boss disapproved.

Actually Ukraine and Russia shared one and the same army some 20 years ago, so Ukraine troops are now deployed by their commanders at the order of Kremlin. Whatever you call yourself communist or capitalist, these Ukraine commanders still are behaviorally entrenched deeply with communist thoughts, eg. unity is supreme at whatever cost etc.

If Ukraine military doesn’t stay neutral politically, you probably know what the outcome is.

Feb 20, 2014 10:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
boreal wrote:

Ukrainians are getting the contagious and could be fatal Syrian strain of “freedom & democracy” flu bug.

Feb 20, 2014 10:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

“The reports I’m reading from elsewhere indicate that there were indeed snipers being employed, but by the security forces, not the protestors.”

Let’s not confuse ourselves here.

Some reports indicate that there are snipers among radicals targeting unarmed security forces. But if security forces are using snipers, that’s a good thing because it shows that they are targeting bad guys and not shooting randomly at the crown. Unless one says that there are no bad guys among these “peaceful protesters”, then that’s a different debate.

It has been reported that radical “protesters” broke into arm depots and got away with 1500 fire-arms and 100,000 amunitions.

What’s scary is that the world is becoming a lawless place with some people encouraging terrorist acts under the pretext of “peaceful protests” when it suits their interests but condemning the same in other places.

Feb 20, 2014 10:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
Bcilley wrote:

We in the west can do NOTHING to help the opposition or hinder the government. Once we accept that fact we will be much further along in reaching a solution. I strongly support the opposition in Maidan square but if I was in a public position I would not encourage them to fight. The government will not abdicate and Russia will not allow them to even were they so inclined. Russia sees these breakaway republics as part of her patrimony and while allowing some form of self government will never let the Ukraine realign with Europe and it’s criminal and stupid to suggest otherwise. A compromise power sharing with the opposition is the very best result to be hoped for. With so many lives at stake I hope Europe and the US stop playing geopolitics and insist the rebels make a deal.

Feb 20, 2014 11:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
izrahim wrote:

I hope the Pope will not free more White Doves of Peace over the Ukrainian situation as the last time a Black Crow and a Seagull attacked them which by the looks of it was a Dark Omen.

Feb 20, 2014 11:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

We can try to dissect this all we want, but the situation is very dynamic, and clearly there is some kind of a credibility problem with the government. Of course, Russia wants everyone to stay away because their influence and cash is at stake, and He Who Would be Czar(Ras)Putin is just acting out his old KGB mentality that cares less how many people get blown away as long as the apparatus survives.

Feb 20, 2014 11:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

We can try to dissect this all we want, but the situation is very dynamic, and clearly there is some kind of a credibility problem with the government. Of course, Russia wants everyone to stay away because their influence and cash is at stake, and He Who Would be Czar(Ras)Putin is just acting out his old KGB mentality that cares less how many people get blown away as long as the apparatus survives.

Feb 20, 2014 11:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

What is particularly disturbing is the thought that Russia could loose her influence over the Ukraine, leaving the Russians in a fit of anxiety that a significant buffer state is gone exposing part of its border to the direct effects of whatever comes along. This has been a traditional, almost culturally genetic, fear since the rule of the Czars. With the old Warsaw Block gone and Eastern Europe and the formerly captive Balkans gone out of Russia’s piggy bank, loosing the Ukraine would give all those old Soviet mentalities a shock in the pants and pocket book they so justly deserve. What will Pretty Boy Putin do?

Feb 20, 2014 11:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Slammy wrote:

Looks like Russia is heading to get bogged down in another civil war.

Feb 20, 2014 11:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“Putin Loses Grip in Ukraine.”

Could have told you that 3 months ago.

Feb 20, 2014 11:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
ofilha wrote:

The west has no problems using blackmail when it wants to get its way.

Feb 20, 2014 12:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TomK2 wrote:

This is indeed scary situation. I am no fan of the president whom is a very corrupt official.

On the other hand however, we don’t have some doves flying with a peace sign around their necks.

The use of guns by the opposition is a very bad precedent which opens the government hands in its own use of guns.

What is alarming is that the protests are by rather small group, there are no mass strikes or marches of a million happening. This is strange – how can people go to work as normal a few hundred meters from the square of blood? Who is the opposition really? Where do they want the country to go? At least we know the corrupt president and what he is about – we don’t know the opposition and what they are about.

Feb 20, 2014 12:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich and his government were democratically elected four years ago. He has a right and duty to protect the will of the electorate. For those who disagree with his lawful decisions, the democratic way to handle the situation would be to wait to express themselves in the next election. In the meantime, peaceful demonstrations to make their points are part of the democratic process.

It would appear that the government has exhibited great forbearance and patience with the demonstrators.

Demonstrators who use guns against the government, and demonstrators who consort with the gun toters, have to expect the government of the people to protect itself and maintain order, including with lethal means.

This situation looks like a variant of the West’s Syria strategy to me. Why the West would go along with destroying Ukraine is beyond me? To set up their own government? There is no way they can control the Eastern Ukraine industrial zone. Rather, I would exhort the West to live up to its nominal ideals, to support democratic means of governance, not mob rule.

Feb 20, 2014 12:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
carl1954 wrote:

Everywhere in the world, people are completely fed up with their respective governments. Once people have no other choice . . . . this is what will happen. Once a person feels cornered, watch out. Doesn’t even matter what religion or ethnicity we are. It then is a matter of survival.

Feb 20, 2014 12:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“Putin Expresses Buyer’s Remorse on Purchase of Yanukovich.”

Feb 20, 2014 12:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HisProphet wrote:

The sanctions and visas proposed are only on individuals deemed complicit with the protest crackdown, not the nation as a whole.

Feb 20, 2014 1:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gnorf wrote:

Coming from the guy who is being walked on like a doormat by three girls with pink socks on their heads.

Feb 20, 2014 1:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kahnie wrote:

Bulletin: It’s not America’s problem unless you think the multi-nationals who want markets in Ukraine are “We the People’s. . .” problem. I don’t think so. Another area of conflict. Another area to butt in, another area to have war. Thanks to Vicki Nuland and our peace loving, Nobel Peace Prize President! Where is the Obama of 2008? In hiding? On vacation in Hawaii? Out to lunch? Not in the White House, I can tell you that.

Feb 20, 2014 1:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NCANative2013 wrote:

This all has NOTHING to do with “freedom,” but everything to do with the EU & US using Ukraine as a pawn.

Feb 20, 2014 1:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

The embargo on arms is even funnier, Ukraine is awash with guns, it is all depends on a central government to guard it.

All these years Ukraine partially survived because of arms trading, tonnes of weapons left from Soviet Union.

Feb 20, 2014 1:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tudupka wrote:

I’d think Reuter reporters are better then Fox, but no. If you really want to know what opposition US and Europe supports in Ukraine, this is a good source: http://goo.gl/SZvbM2.
May be they don’t realize it yet, but that’s what reporters are for, but they fail us again and again.

Feb 20, 2014 1:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tyshkevich wrote:

The situation in Ukraine is getting out of control very rapidly. There is no peaceful opposition anymore. It seems the control over the uprising has been seized by a far-right movement called the “Right Sector”, who sees itself as a political successor of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. Based on some names mentioned in the press, some field commanders of the right-wing militias are former members of the ultra-nationalist Ukrainian Self Defense Organization, who took part in local military conflicts in Moldova, Chechnya, and Abkhazia. In other words, moderate opposition is swept away and is used by radicals only as a smokescreen. According to local sources, people are being radicalized very rapidly all over the central Ukraine as well. They block roads, railways etc. to stop redeployment of troops. Some troops in the western parts of Ukraine are surrendering to the rebels who take hold of their weapons. All of that is happening without any control from the formal right-of-center opposition, who actually started the Maidan protest. In other words, there is no negotiating partner for the government anymore. There can be only two outcomes: a civil war or a complete surrender of the government. The former is more likely.

Feb 20, 2014 1:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

“Anti-government protesters detain a policeman”

It’s amazing that Western media outlets and politicians are still calling people who detain police officers “protesters

Feb 20, 2014 1:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
geogeo wrote:

The US, France, UK, Germany, et al are going to Freeze assets and sanction a government faced with violent rebels attempting to overthrough it?! Huh? How quickly we forget the Occupy Wall St violence by law enforcement in the US. Or Edward Snowden. The CIA funded violent rebels in Syria to cause the current genocide. I wonder what the west had been up to behind the scenes in the Ukraine. I mean Nixon and Kissinger may as well still be in the white house for god’s sake. Obama = peace by arse!

Feb 20, 2014 2:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
FSE wrote:

Why US and UK did not pay more?

We print World reserve currency and our royalties and Lord Rothschild owns REUTERS so we can control public opinion.

Feb 20, 2014 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Eideard wrote:

Yup, armed insurrection is OK if you say it’s in the name of democracy – in Kiev, Caracas, Bangkok. Led in every case by the losers in the last election. Is this to become the theme for teabaggers and their militia bubbas?

Meanwhile, in this supposedly divided nation on the “verge of civil war” – I’m watching Spurs at Dnipropetrovsk in a Europa Cup match where the only slogans and songs are about football.

Freedom of the Press isn’t supposed to be about blather on behalf of American foreign policy Anglophone Cold Warriors.

Feb 20, 2014 2:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Zim6 wrote:

Haha Russia thought they could have their cake and eat it too!!! I hope the take the fight across the border and Russia burns!!!

Feb 20, 2014 2:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
albertjazz wrote:

The Soviet Union is no more,Russia please get used ot it !

Feb 20, 2014 2:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Yashmak wrote:

“The trio of EU foreign ministers met for a marathon four hours with Yanukovich. . . .”

In what world is 4 hours a marathon?!?

Feb 20, 2014 2:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse

There’s little to keep this from spreading into the neighboring countries, especially Moldova where they have their own pro-Russian issues with the breakaway portion of Transnistria.

Feb 20, 2014 2:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tudupka wrote:

Who is who and who US and Europe supports – goo.gl/SZvbM2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists
The west as always is ignorant who they support or evil if they are know.

Feb 20, 2014 2:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
seymourfrogs wrote:

The people of Ukraine want to join the EU. That might not be fine for the EU.

Feb 20, 2014 3:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
letuslive wrote:

“When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Feb 20, 2014 3:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CDN_Rebel wrote:

Ukraine needs to split – it’s a construct country anyway. Silesia can split off and join the EU, and Ukraine proper can have all the close ties with Russia she desires. I understand that the Ukrainian Pres had to take the Russian deal because of their debt crisis, but I think that this crisis is mostly the fault of the EU and German austerity politics. They told the Ukraine to buzz-off on debt relief and forced Yanukovych into Putin’s waiting arms… and then this happens. I understand the protesters beef, but honestly their anger should be aimed at Germany, not Russia – and this from a Czech ex-pat who pretty much hates everything about Putinism.

Feb 20, 2014 3:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
beerpatzer wrote:

Fuck the EU! They’re useless. Send in the Marines!

Feb 20, 2014 4:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

The Yanukovich government has failed. Yanukovich the mob boss wants to kill a few more citizens to prove something. He’s trying to prove that killing citizens in Kiev is going to fix the political problems in the rest of the country. That’s how a mob boss thinks – kill a few of them and scare the rest into submission. Yanukovich is headed for Russian asylum or a Ukrainian prison, or both. His party of regions gang of thugs and Putin have made a colossal miscalculation. They assumed Ukrainians are sheep.

Feb 20, 2014 4:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

@RichardJR Is right !!!

Social Security – it’s TOTALLY mismanaged SEPARATE account and it’s been ‘robbed’ every time the government needed money . . .

Seniors SHOULD NOT suffer because of decades of mismanagement. That’s NOT President Obama’s fault. The COLA, as it has been proven many times, is wrongly calculated and does NOT reflect the accurate annual increase in COST OF LIVING !! As long as FOOD price increases, for example, are NOT calculated in ‘cost of living’ index, then the whole cost of living calculations are WRONG !! Ask the seniors how much food cost increases and to what degree has an effect on their monthly budget. Basically, for most of them, food, rent and medications are the major expenses thanks to which they can’t maintain DECENT standard of living. Is that the government’s reward for working all their lives, contributing to over-all economic growth? This should not be about ‘CUTS’. This should be about INCREASE. Go to any grocery store and tell me all about the crazy prices of food – the MAJOR element to support seniors’ standard of living.

The fact that most people have to buy bottled water, at a price much higher that gasoline, since the ‘tap’ water is contaminated, notwithstanding.

Feb 20, 2014 4:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
izrahim wrote:

What a laugh, the-EU trying to calm things down, what, are they getting cold feet knowing full well that the Russians could step in any day now?. They never though that it would get to this and maybe thought the Ukrainian government would get cold feet and join the bankrupt union. Wishful thinking.

Feb 20, 2014 4:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

Sorry, placement of the above comment was directed to another article. Sorry about that. Don’t know how THAT happened.

Feb 20, 2014 4:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Here an analysis of some of the historical issues behind and beyond this crisis:

http://wp.me/p3WOpT-GK

Feb 20, 2014 4:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

Sanctions against Oleksandr Yanykovych the dentist with $512 million in dentist profits, and oligarch Rinat Akhmetov, plus the rest of the Yanukovich family crime syndicate, these would be the start of targeted effective sanctions.

Feb 20, 2014 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KayM44 wrote:

This is preposterous, the goverment is simply killing their own people. I bet that more than hundred people were killed already. How horrific is the situation in Kiev ? Most people who are protesting are probably students, young men dying for freadomn of their country from the goverment that robs of people and has being doing this for quite a while. If this war continues, all of the protestors would be killed, because those students, who are fighting, don’t have any weapons to defend themselves. More than that, it is really upsetting, that the goverment treats their own people like dirt, like they dont have the right to chose, like they should not have the right for their own opinion, like they simply dont exist!

What are people waiting for? Are all people of Ukraine so happy about what is going on? Why are people so short-sighted to understand this fighting is for freedom ! This is not a simple fighting for no particular reason, NO this war is made for everybody to see the point why those who are at the Kiev’s Independence Square fighting, protesting, DYING!

The most upseting thing about all of this situation, is that people accepted all of this pressure and all of this corruption themselves for too many years. All of these innocent people let themselves be fooled by goverment. Robbed to their bones and brains. Frustrated. innocent. Finely put into danger. Lots injured, some are killed by their own goverment who ordered snipers to shoot at people so after they would not have the chance to survive. Another most shocking development is that they are fighting with their own people in they own country.

Feb 20, 2014 5:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
oxen wrote:

It is not possible to negotiate with those protestors, they are very unrealistic and mostly crazy puppets under some manipulation. They have rejected all reason, they only want the leadership to declare Ukraine is under Europe , thus giving up their independence. The EU and US are not helping but pouring fuel on fire to make the situation as messy as possible. Soon Ukraine will be like Syria, that seems to be the EU and US goal. The sanctions imposed are one sided, imposed to favor and encourage or embolden the protestors and must be opposed by all well meaning entities. The Govt should stay firm and remove the protestors off the streets, especially those firing at police or throwing stones and petrol bombs

Feb 20, 2014 5:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeHockey wrote:

alkaline state, alkaline state red alert! red Alert! Russia becoming a 3rd world country? Seriously dude I think your brain is in a alkaline state LoL!

Feb 20, 2014 5:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeHockey wrote:

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MikeHockey wrote:

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MikeHockey wrote:

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MikeHockey wrote:

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onTheMoney11 wrote:

@LenicGB

I do not believe this to be an internal matter at all and I hate it when people oversimplify things – it is a well known fact that internal army has in so far refused to cooperate with Mr Yanukovic (no stranger to having a criminal record himself – pls check his biography on wikipedia) – hence the change in the Chief of Staff, etc. The only real force that has caused most of the damage so far have been the mercenaries (or contractors, how they are fashionably called these days). These, and the combative youth from the East who know no better. And who will deny that all of them are not financed out of the pockets of MotherRussia?).

In any case, the rubicon has been crossed. Putting snipers armed with rifles that target civiliants is a tactic borrowed from the Middle Ages. It will not go down well. It cannot go down well in this day and age. And if it does in your eyes, perhaps you should check your conscience.

Feb 20, 2014 5:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
onTheMoney11 wrote:

@LenicGB

I do not believe this to be an internal matter at all and I hate it when people oversimplify things – it is a well known fact that internal army has in so far refused to cooperate with Mr Yanukovic (no stranger to having a criminal record himself – pls check his biography on wikipedia) – hence the change in the Chief of Staff, etc. The only real force that has caused most of the damage so far have been the mercenaries (or contractors, how they are fashionably called these days). These, and the combative youth from the East who know no better. And who will deny that all of them are not financed out of the pockets of MotherRussia?).

In any case, the rubicon has been crossed. Putting snipers armed with rifles that target civiliants is a tactic borrowed from the Middle Ages. It will not go down well. It cannot go down well in this day and age. And if it does in your eyes, perhaps you should check your conscience.

Feb 20, 2014 5:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
onTheMoney11 wrote:

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Feb 20, 2014 6:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
I-Nemo wrote:

“It`s what`s happens when you give your nuclear heads away… and Ukraine was first, and only country who did it so far… this coup was prepared a years before…”@”America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”

Feb 20, 2014 6:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ELH_HUN10 wrote:

When 150,000 Ukrainians have been killed, Russian and China will veto all U.N. resolutions to stop the carnange.

Feb 20, 2014 6:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

It’s interesting that NO ONE is talking about the Ukrainian city Sevastopol, which houses the Russian Black Sea Fleet under a leasing agreement.

Is it possible that this is the REAL issue for the U.S., EU/NATO vs. Russia/Putin and purposely kept from public debate ?? Just saying . . .

Feb 20, 2014 6:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Anthonykovic wrote:

The media, including Reuters, has once again failed to provide any understanding as to what this brutal battle is all about. All we know is that there are two groups, the “government” and “anti-government protesters” and a violent confrontation between the two.

Read as much as you want, it remains totally unclear as to why they are so angry – what it is that they are really fighting about.

Feb 20, 2014 7:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
disengage wrote:

It is horrible,that Ukrainian people are dying in the streets. Too bad, their freedom will not come to them,without this cost being paid. Russias’ Putin, is playing for keeps. Our Obama, is playing golf, or posing for the cameras.EU, try announcing to the Ukrainian Generals, that anyone ordering their troops to fire on their citizens, will be grabbed and sent before the Hague, for war crimes. You can bet Putin, is pulling their strings and they are scared to go against him. Then, you need to deal with Putin. Be as firm as you can get, before he sends in his tanks, like he did in Hungary, Czech, Georgia and you can bet very soon, the Ukraine. if you do nothing, if he pays nothing for doing this, the road to ww3 has begun to be travelled.

Feb 20, 2014 7:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tonyalfidi wrote:

Open source reports reveal some ground truth in Ukraine. Forceful action will reveal whether the nation splits. http://goo.gl/wF56fQ

Feb 20, 2014 7:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@ PaulBradley > Sevastopol, which houses the Russian Black Sea
> Fleet under a leasing agreement
1) it’s a lease agreement. The Russians don’t own it.
2) Putin has been a very very bad boy.
3) Once Ukrainians clean government house, Ukrainian citizens should decide for themselves if the lease deal Yanukovich got them is in their interest or not. One thing I can tell you as an outsider is that Russia screwed the Ukraine for Gas prices and Gas delivery contracts. Not the kind of thing you want to do to a Ukrainian who has the ballsof the Russian black sea fleet in their hands.

Feb 20, 2014 7:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RedC wrote:

1. It’s a lie that protestors are nazis. There are right wing nationalists among them but that’s a minority. Protestors are students, professors, priests, businesman, artists, farmers, it-specialists and so on. Kremlin’s propaganda is trying to make them “nazis” but they aren’t. Media trying to make good shot but not actually show what’s happening.

2. Second lie is “protesters firing at police”: Ukrainian “riot police” appears to be a gang in police uniform. They are beating protesters literally to death. They’re intentionally beating press and breaking they’re cameras. Reuters photographer in Kyiv was beaten and got hit by police grenade during protests. Courts are totally controlled by president and will accuse anybody being arrested without any evidence so the only way to be safe is actually safe-defence.

3. Ruling party hires criminals in eastern Ukraine and bring them to Kyiv in an organized way (“titushki”). In Kyiv they are smashing cars beating people and police does protect them instead of arresting. So people in Kyiv was forced to create self-defence forces as police does not on duty.

It’s a Putin’s hand all behind that and protests are not “pro-EU”: ukrainians don’t want to go back in the USSR. West is unfortunatelly doing too litlle and to late.

Feb 20, 2014 7:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

@UScitizentoo

Exactly! That’s why I made it a point. Sevastopol IS a very strategic port. I don’t think Putin wants the NATO to move in – i.e. U.S. Navy.

‘Ownership’ of Sevastopol was fought for both in 19th and 20th century. I guess it’s the ‘game’ now in 21st century. Frankly, I think it’s what Putin worries about. I don’t think he would want the U.S. Navy there under the auspices of NATO. And, that’s why this ‘revolt’ could have been ‘induced’ by the “West” once Yanukovych decided to go with Russia/Putin instead of with the EU.

Well, just something to think about . . .

Feb 20, 2014 7:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
f00 wrote:

Bah, just split the country up.

The East can remain white and civilized, while the Westerners can join the EJew and enjoy the sight (and smell) of Third Worlders helping themselves to their women.

Feb 20, 2014 7:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
laradddd wrote:

blood on youre hands rasPUTIN….from kiev…..

Feb 21, 2014 5:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
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