Ukraine peace deal halts violence but crowds still angry

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PaulBradley wrote:

It’s interesting that NO ONE is talking about the Ukrainian city Sevastopol, which houses the Russian Black Sea Fleet under a leasing agreement.
Is it possible that this is the REAL issue for the U.S., EU, NATO vs. Russia/Putin and purposely kept from public debate ?? Just saying . . .
‘Ownership’ of Sevastopol was fought for both in 19th and 20th century. I guess it’s the ‘game’ now in 21st century. Frankly, I think it’s what Putin worries about. I don’t think he would want the U.S. Navy there under the auspices of NATO. And, that’s why this ‘revolt’ could have been ‘induced’ by the “West” once Yanukovych decided to go with Russia/Putin instead of with the EU.

Well, just something to think about . . .

Feb 20, 2014 8:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Talleyrand02 wrote:

This is what is going to happen the world round if the superrich don’t start letting some of the cash flow downwards. In Ukraine the People are beginning to see the light. And the moment it starts affecting the rich (the feudal class, which is acting like the French court in 1788/89 and thereabouts) they may do something about it.

Feb 21, 2014 12:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
jmk4546 wrote:

On the contrary I think brother is fighting brother in Kiev at the
instigation of some nations, that I donot care to mention; I have a fuller story to tell to Ukraine people but am not telling it here; let them die at the hands of Kiev police if they are foolish to engage in such self destruction.Reality is sadly missing
I also ask reuter readers following:I’m NOT alleging or implying
anything, merely asking reuters readers their thoughts on it:
1) do you think now proven playboy i.e Hollande (president of France)
and European Central Bank’s (ECB) successive chieves + Angela Merkel
etc are taking bribes from various industrialists for arranging
cheap EU loans to the industrialist which may neve be repaid??
Take example for L N Mittal of ArcellorMittal (AM)Hollande arranging EU loans to save his Florange/France steel mill??? Minority public investors seems to have lost HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY amounts in L N Mittal controlled AM?? Do you think Mittal is inflatting capital/equipment/machinery by false invoicing thru his associates/relatives in ” some” tax heaven like Dubai UAE etc invoicing 20 times the actual cost and thus showing very very high debts which he falsely services by paying interest??
And in fact the interest and the debt portions/payments finally end
up in Mittal’s pockets and thus debt and interest payments will
never disappear from the books??? and the company will never show
enough profits???and thus minority public shareholders are stuck for lifetime of their investment in AM???
For your information AM or Mittal is co-promotor of bseindia
listed Uttam Galvanization. The story is same there?? Both promotor
Miglani and Mittal are stealing profits every where similarly??
For your info I have lost about US$400,000 i n Uttam Galvanization.
It’s about time you guys wake up as to the real workings of EU
leaders?? Are they crooks or not?? If yes, how can you trust them
to mediate in Kiev dispute sincerely?? Better close down the protests
in Kiev and protesters go home and sleep instead of dying for worthless cause of joining EU etc. That’s my sincere advise to you.
I want to tell you more about it but am constrained. Better ask
Putin about me; I wrote him a postcard on 15 Feb 2013 which he
is allowed to produce; but he should not though because it is confi-
dential stuff. Putin is my friend. You people all protest also for
end to violence in Syria in which people are similarly dying
at the instigation of some. Syria’s Assad is ok; so is Ukraine’s
Yanukovich.

Feb 21, 2014 12:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
jmk4546 wrote:

On the contrary I think brother is fighting brother in Kiev at the
instigation of some nations, that I donot care to mention; I have a fuller story to tell to Ukraine people but am not telling it here; let them die at the hands of Kiev police if they are foolish to engage in such self destruction.Reality is sadly missing
I also ask reuter readers following:I’m NOT alleging or implying
anything, merely asking reuters readers their thoughts on it:
1) do you think now proven playboy i.e Hollande (president of France)
and European Central Bank’s (ECB) successive chieves + Angela Merkel
etc are taking bribes from various industrialists for arranging
cheap EU loans to the industrialist which may neve be repaid??
Take example for L N Mittal of ArcellorMittal (AM)Hollande arranging EU loans to save his Florange/France steel mill??? Minority public investors seems to have lost HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY amounts in L N Mittal controlled AM?? Do you think Mittal is inflatting capital/equipment/machinery by false invoicing thru his associates/relatives in ” some” tax heaven like Dubai UAE etc invoicing 20 times the actual cost and thus showing very very high debts which he falsely services by paying interest??
And in fact the interest and the debt portions/payments finally end
up in Mittal’s pockets and thus debt and interest payments will
never disappear from the books??? and the company will never show
enough profits???and thus minority public shareholders are stuck for lifetime of their investment in AM???
For your information AM or Mittal is co-promotor of bseindia
listed Uttam Galvanization. The story is same there?? Both promotor
Miglani and Mittal are stealing profits every where similarly??
For your info I have lost about US$400,000 i n Uttam Galvanization.
It’s about time you guys wake up as to the real workings of EU
leaders?? Are they crooks or not?? If yes, how can you trust them
to mediate in Kiev dispute sincerely?? Better close down the protests
in Kiev and protesters go home and sleep instead of dying for worthless cause of joining EU etc. That’s my sincere advise to you.
I want to tell you more about it but am constrained. Better ask
Putin about me; I wrote him a postcard on 15 Feb 2013 which he
is allowed to produce; but he should not though because it is confi-
dential stuff. Putin is my friend. You people all protest also for
end to violence in Syria in which people are similarly dying
at the instigation of some. Syria’s Assad is ok; so is Ukraine’s
Yanukovich.

Feb 21, 2014 12:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
Snowpine wrote:

This is the European part of the puzzle that will tie in with Israel, Syria, and Iran. Russia has a part to play in shaping history with all these territories. Read about it in the Book.

Feb 21, 2014 1:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
SD323 wrote:

My greatest fear is that one day we would suddenly wake up in a war we’ve not imagine…by then it would be too late. you can only push one so far…
some of the policies in the West and most of the Western media worries me and do not demonstrate any democratic norms. Now i see democracy as nasty as any other form of government. Anybody who wouldn’t mind to see his capital city like that would call them peaceful demonstrators.
I thought it should be a democratic means to remove a government but seeing the desperate US and EU in actions in Ukraine, there’re other means and they would ignore any moral value to use it. Woe to mankind when all these nasty policies and media manipulation bear fruits.

Feb 21, 2014 5:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
MihalyBorbely wrote:

Only the photos and videos make you fully understand the scale of violence going on in Ukraine. Here is a collection from different social media platforms:
http://brickflow.com/b/euromaidan?utm_source=reuters&utm_medium=daily&utm_content=ukraine&utm_campaign=euromaidan

Feb 21, 2014 5:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

The Russians appear to be taking a more tactical and diplomatic approach compared to Europe’s tactic of importing Syrian styled regime change. My gut feeling is the European approach will back-fire spectacularly. Although having just said Europe, it’s probably a couple of individuals such as Soros etc who is behind it all with their greedy eyes on the Ukraine’s abundant resources.

Feb 21, 2014 7:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
BigMoneyBall wrote:

Again “pro-European” opposition and “Russia-backed” president terminology – this is not what Ukrainians are fighting for. Its a pity that people are dying – bringing the elections 2-3 months closer was not worth the price of even a single life.

Feb 21, 2014 7:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jamesss wrote:

“Earlier, police said in a statement that anti-government militants fired on security forces near the square, scene of a three-month-old protest vigil. However, there was no confirmation of such an incident and no report of casualties.”

Propaganda. Framing violent attacks against police as a “protest vigil”. Furthermore, undermining a police statement by claiming that it had not been confirmed. Confirmed by whom if not the police? The opposition? Are we now only to believe what militant ‘protesters’ announce?

“If signed and implemented, the deal would be a setback for Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has made tying Ukraine into a Moscow-led Eurasian Union a cornerstone of his efforts to reunite as much as possible of the former Soviet Union.”

Another strange paragraph – framing the unrest in terms of Putin v the people of Ukraine, as one might expect from a ignoramus.

Feb 21, 2014 7:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
sabrina12 wrote:

The People, the ones who in most communist states and socialist countries refuse the control of dictators where they can. They will rise up, challenge the Boot and do what they can to stay as far away from the old guard. Look at Kiev. We know why Russia is trying to “Save them” with money. But those old enough to remember want them out. They rejected this years ago, now in fear they see the return and instead decide to revolt. Maybe the American media should look at this as a lesson. in the last few weeks the American Media ha learned that the SCC wants to place govt workers in their newsrooms. the American media has supported the American left for generations and what has been the result. More Govt dependence, Higher taxation, freedom vanishing and the use of healthcare as a way to remove those freedoms along with dependence. The People of the USA have never experienced what those in freedom square have. They are willing to die for their freedom while we in America give it away for a govt support check.

Feb 21, 2014 7:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
Earthtourist wrote:

Yanukovitch & Putin are just playing for time. They want the protesters to go home and begin arresting them. Anyone who trusts this pair of evil schemers will end up in the Gulag.

Feb 21, 2014 8:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

This will not end well. After the Olympics, expect a massive move by the government to restore order. If there is another election, Yanukovich will will it, just like he won the last election. Then what?

Feb 21, 2014 8:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
disengage wrote:

The people of the Ukraine voted this Putin puppet in….Whatever drivel comes out of his mouth, is really Putin speaking…the Ukranians, need to figure out, if this is stalling tactics, to give Putin and his people, within your borders, time to consolidate….time to come and visit you in the night, or is this really is a time out and free elections, will be held..i, for one wouldn’t believe one word out of any of their mouths….stay the course, try to win your freedom now…

Feb 21, 2014 8:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
newlygrad wrote:

There’s only a promise for early election but “no deal” becoz Yano declines to exclude his canadidacy. The opposition is afraid if Yano wins another popular vote, the movement cannot further proceed with legitimacy. What Yano really want “early” is to dissolve current parliament that now runs at odd with the president.

Feb 21, 2014 8:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
QuidProQuo wrote:

Earlier, police said in a statement that anti-government militants fired on security forces near the square, scene of a three-month-old protest vigil. However, there was no confirmation of such an incident and no report of casualties.—————

Ummm, yes there was confirmation of this attack on security forces by the militants. CNN correspondents were there, witnessed it, and reported it. I serioulsy doubt CNN is lying. Seems like they might be the only news site actually using ethical journalistic standards and reporting FACTS!

Feb 21, 2014 8:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
ReverendJim wrote:

“NO ONE is talking about the Ukrainian city Sevastopol” because no one cares about a “former” super power’s third world rag tag nothing navy. The Black Sea fleet is a non-issue because it simply has no importance in any way to the modern world. Only delusional individuals that refuse to accept that communism failed and the U.S.S.R. collapse can even imagine that there is any importance to it. The issue is human rights. The existence of the concept of human right slacks off a little in Europe but disappears entirely at the boarder with the former Soviet block countries. Asia has no idea what the term means or why human rights are even important to the west, but that’s a different issue.

Feb 21, 2014 9:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

There are two additional forces that will stop this protest after the Olympics are over.
Force One: the special paratroopers and special forces that now are being moved in by train;
Two: the calling up of the massive number of pro-Yanokovich protestors who were present in the past on the street, but so far have not been called up. In addition, there is
Third, calling in of the regular Ukrainian army, which is one of the largest in Europe;
Fourth, Russian pressure on oil supplies, which can cripple transportation if needed.
When these forces are put into play, the protests will be crushed.

Feb 21, 2014 9:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
ReverendJim wrote:

If CNN reported gun shots by the protesters it’s almost certain there were not any gun shots. CNN is utterly incompetent. American T.V. news organizations, these days, have no idea how to do their jobs. MSNBC is not real news, it is the unofficial propaganda ministry for the Democratic party and FOX news is the unofficial propaganda ministry for the Republican party. The only unbiased news organization is CNN, and they are a worthless unprofessional joke.

Feb 21, 2014 9:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
Riobrava wrote:

Is anyone naive enough here to think that Putin and the Russians will let this pass? After the Olympics all heck is going to break out. Remember what Putin did in Georgia, this will be a repeat. Is Europe and Obama going to stand up to Russian tanks?

Feb 21, 2014 10:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

@Talleyrand02
Considering that several ukrainian OLIGARCHS sponsor “Maidan” both financially and with media support…

@ReverendJim. You are ranting.

Feb 21, 2014 12:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

to me, anything that stops the killing, is a good thing…unless it allows Putin, to prop up the govt, with his Intel and Spetsnaz troops…then, much more killing will take place, out of sight, within the darkness, as so many of Putins’ predecessors, function…To the Ukranians, I say, seeing is believing….talk with the communists is cheap, till they visit you, when you least expect it…I send the Ukrainians sincere luck, for the right decisions to be made…by them!!!!1

Feb 21, 2014 12:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
willich6 wrote:

I wonder how obama ‘spins’ this so that he is in the center of the action… Must really tick him off that he’s diplomatically on the outside looking in… I’m sure the kerry circus-mobile is already in the air on the way to Ukraine for ‘high level talks’….
Catherine Ashton would be smart to ignore the clown when he shows up for his media ‘head shots’…

Feb 21, 2014 12:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
XianSheng wrote:

It’s a good deal, and not just for the opposition. Yanu gets to continue as Pres and regain some credibility, Russia gets to hold onto its naval port in the Black Sea and regain some credibility as a “democratic force”, the opposition gets some real concession and the people can now either vote for Yanukovich or vote against him in the next elections.

Feb 21, 2014 2:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Adam_S wrote:

I really hope this lasts. So much unnecessary bloodshed and loss of life.

Feb 21, 2014 2:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
delta5297 wrote:

Haven’t we had dozens of “truces” only for violence to break out again, each time worse than the last? Let’s hope this one actually sticks.

Feb 21, 2014 2:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
agsterino wrote:

In history, power and riches were accumulated and compounded until the breaking point of the majority. Revolutions take place, then a new handful of corrupt polititions take a stranglehold by limiting freedom and access to information. Often the power is hidden behind the facade. We need to be far more aware and expose those who truly believe the majority of the population should be sacrificed for the greed and ego of a very few elitists.

Feb 21, 2014 2:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LenicGB wrote:

@PaulBradley – There are always winners and losers when deals are made, but I feel its important to remind everyone that causation does not imply correlation and vice-versa.

For whatever reasons, it was the people of the Ukraine that brought about the realization of this deal. They bled and died for it. I think of the aggregate will of the people, not the losers of this ‘deal.’

Feb 21, 2014 2:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
branchltd wrote:

Do not invite Jimmy Carter as a monitor if you want open and fair elections. Venezuela is still suffering from his ignoring widespread evidence of voter fraud.

Feb 21, 2014 2:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
branchltd wrote:

Do not invite Jimmy Carter as a monitor if you want open and fair elections. Venezuela is still suffering from his ignoring widespread evidence of voter fraud.

Feb 21, 2014 2:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lotuslandjoe wrote:

It is now the 21st century and this world is slowly recognizing that it will too soon be beset by environmental issues eclipsing all the geopolitical tensions of the past put together. Global leaders who ignore this looming eventuality will only have the curses of their starving and sick grandchildren as a legacy.

Feb 21, 2014 3:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
beerpatzer wrote:

Maidan? Interesting coincidence… Ukrainians served as guards in the death camp Majdanek during the WWII.

Feb 21, 2014 3:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

@LenicGB

You are right, of course. However, it’s only ‘SOME’ Ukrainians that “brought about the realization of this deal”. We still have a lot of Russian-speaking Ukrainians that are in opposition. Problem is that our media has given us only one side of the story. What about the other side of the ‘coin’? We have NO clue . . . And, underestimating Putin, in this political game, would be a mistake. After all, his delegate present didn’t sign anything.

Oh well, I am just thinking ‘loud’ :-)

Feb 21, 2014 3:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tkhor wrote:

This is not about entering the EU anymore. Protesters in Ukraine are fighting for their rights and freedoms against the corrupted and tyrannical “authorities” which are more like organised crime than a real goverment. Mr. Yanukovich (who has the criminal record) and his gang from Donbas took the absolute power in Ukraine with Putin’s help and for a few years they were plundering and trampling their own people.
The violence against peacefull pro-european demonstrators in the end of November and adopting the scandalous laws in the mid of January were just the last straw.

Feb 21, 2014 4:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Here is yet another complex story behind and beyond it all:

http://wp.me/p3WOpT-GK

Feb 21, 2014 4:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
orabi wrote:

6 7 8 better to keep the one with longer name i am a communist by nature and training i can not deny that but there are small parts if you lose it you will lose the purpose .feed the barrels.keep navigation .

Feb 21, 2014 6:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HKL2 wrote:

Prior to her political career, Yulia Tymoshenko was a successful but Controversial businesswoman in the gas industry, becoming by some estimates one of the Richest people in the country…A criminal businesswoman.

Feb 21, 2014 7:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Davie99 wrote:

Territories from Poland and Austria? What about territories from Romania? Ukraine has incorporated territories from Romania: South Bessarabia, North Bukowina, Hertza Region (Hertza Region was always part of Romania: the population in 2001 was about 32,300 people, 93% of whom are ethnic Romanians.The territory was occupied by the Soviet Union in 1940, following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and was attached to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic).

Feb 21, 2014 11:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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