Analysis: In Florida, early test of Obamacare's potency in 2014 elections

Comments (39)

Obamacare has ruined everything! It destroyed the economy, it stole my wife, and it causes more hurricanes than the gays! I also heard that Obamacare assassinated JFK – if it didn’t, why won’t they just come out and say it???

Feb 25, 2014 1:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@USofRationality

Yeah it isn’t that big of a deal if you are not one of the millions that has to pay hundreds more a month for insurance now…

Feb 25, 2014 2:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse

TheNewWorld wrote:
“Yeah it isn’t that big of a deal if you are not one of the millions that has to pay hundreds more a month for insurance now…”

Have any credible sources for that number? Because every “horror story” GOP has put out there has fallen apart the moment someone applies an ounce of scrutiny.

Feb 25, 2014 3:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

USofRationality- You might be surprised on your prediction on the economy. Sit back and watch it unfold. As for your wife, I suspect she may have left you because of your political views, but I can’t be certain. The other stuff was just silly, but funny all the same. Thanks for the laugh.

Feb 25, 2014 3:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
moonhill wrote:

More people have lost insurance coverage under Obamacare than gained insurance. It is a huge flop. If it were so great, Obama wouldn’t have to be postponing mandates until after elections.

Feb 25, 2014 3:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

Sure US, why don’t you face any of the millions who HAVE lost insurance under obamacare and tell them their story falls apart. Wishing something to be so does not make it so.

Feb 25, 2014 3:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HortonPDX wrote:

@moonhill: Can you cite your sources? I’m on the fence, here, and need some facts.

Feb 25, 2014 3:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
moonhill wrote:

Here you go, HortonPDX: http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/another-25-million-obamacare-victims/

Feb 25, 2014 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JLSeagull wrote:

Interesting how the article doesn’t make any mention of the thousands of people who had insurance they liked but had it cancelled because it didn’t meet Obumblecare’s absurd requirements, i.e., maternity care for 60-year-olds et al.

Feb 25, 2014 4:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
disengage wrote:

What was worse, than all the above, was he and his key democrats, knew of all this complte mess BEFORE they ever launched the site. Who in their RIGHT MIND, caring so little for all the people that they have sworn to protect, would launch too fail right off the bat? Who caused 6 million plus people, to lose their insurance.Who caused tens of millions of workers to be downgraded to part timers? Who caused many thousands of doctors to retire earlier than they planned, because they didnt want to deal in an Obamacare environment. You have to vote for it, to see what is in it. If by now, you arent convinced that this is one of the very worst laws in our history, then you are a die hard sheep, still following blindly, the pied piper of OBAMACARE. Get rid of every single person, regardless of party, that voted for this disastrous legislation.

Feb 25, 2014 4:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse

gcf1965 wrote:
“Wishing something to be so does not make it so.”

Wow. The irony of that statement is palpable…

Feb 25, 2014 4:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@USofRationality

I am not doing your research for you. If you are the typical left wing ACA supporter you wont believe it unless Obama says it himself. Here is what small businesses face at the end of this year. Unless you are going to tell me the Department of Health and Human Services is a right wing source as well:

“As many as 11 million employees of small businesses in the U.S. face paying more for health insurance under Obamacare, according to a new report into the controversial healthcare bill.
The estimate, provided by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid services (CMS), part of the Department of Health and Human Services, also projected that 6 million others face lower rates for health insurance.

The report says that this is due to the to the laws requirement that premiums for health insurance can no longer be based on an insurance applicant’s age. “

Feb 25, 2014 4:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
willich6 wrote:

Any way you ‘play’ this – Sink’s probably losing on 11 March – too much bad news on obamacare… They are bringing out a ‘big gun’ Dem; someone who’se run creditably for governor of Florida – against a no-name ‘aid’ of the prior congressman.

Bringing in a Dem heavyweight is clearly sign of desperation – but it might work for them.. I’m most worried by the ‘libertarian’ in the mix; In Virginia the Dems funded a ‘libertarian’ candidate to steal votes; he took 6% and Mcaulife won by 2%.. This may be the new Dem ‘playbook’.. If I was Jolly I would find out who’se funding the libertarian campaign and discredit him… quickly…

Feb 25, 2014 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
crod526 wrote:

How about WHO paid those medical bills when the uninsured showed up at hospitals emergency rooms and couldn’t be turned down? It was the rest of us that thru property taxes had to bail hospitals out. Now everyone has to have one and you can’t be denied access. That’s a better deal.
I love hearing things like we will repeal it but keep the good parts they know that’s total BS because no way do Insurance Companies allow the good parts of Obamacare without more revenue strands. The Republicans know that full well.

Feb 25, 2014 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PerryLogan wrote:

I wonder if voters will remember how the Great Shellacking went. If so, it might make Obamacare less of an issue in the election.

The Great Shellacking (2010) swept Republicans into power in state and local jurisdictions throughout the land. It was America’s way of thanking the Democrats for not giving them what they asked for–a single-payer healthcare system.

The result was an historic sweep, with Republicans taking over everywhere.

And what happened? I’m sure you remember.

Those unpredictable Republicans instantly forgot all that talk about deficits, freedom, indiviodual responsibility, and jobs jobs jobs…

…and got to work doing what Republicans love best–passing laws to screw over unions, pregnant women, students, people of color, Muslims, gays, schools, liberals, Democrats, immigrants, and voters, while cutting taxes for their rich pals.

People were on the street within days. It was very dramatic.

The lesson seems clear: hating Obamacare is a seriously bad reason to vote Republican. Vote Republican only if you like seeing government deployed against the citizens.

Feb 25, 2014 5:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RexMax46 wrote:

@TheNewWorld
Actually, it’s your research to do since you’re the one who decided to spout off a statistic. Also, your quote from the “Department of Health and Human Services” seems dubious as I doubt they would call the ACA “Obamacare” in an official statement. Since you can easily prove your sources are credible by simply providing a link to the source, why won’t you?

Feb 25, 2014 6:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RexMax46 wrote:

@moonhill
You have much to learn about finding a credible source. The article you linked to has no citations of its own and is written by the author of “Beating Obamacare 2014.” I can’t believe I have to tell you this, but not everything on the Internet is true.

Feb 25, 2014 6:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

moonhill: How about using a credible source. You’re quoting an article from the New York Post, a rightwing rag. The article you quoted was written by a known Republican Obama hater who wrote a book called “Beating Obamacare 2014.” She doesn’t back up her numbers at all. She just makes up an unsubstantiated theory and pulls numbers out of her a_s. Try again, except this time use a credible source that actually backs up their claims with verifiable facts.

TheNewWorld: RexMax46 is right. If you make a claim, it’s up to you to back it up. Otherwise, those of us who prefer the truth would be left wasting our time looking for something that doesn’t exist. We don’t want to do that. It would be like you claiming that there is no global warming and that WE should do the research to confirm your idiot claim. That would be a wild goose chase. You’ve acquired a reputation for lying on these message boards, so the responsibility to verify your claims rests on your shoulders. It should be that way anyway.

I remind you that the other day you tried to make the argument that Democratic policies coupled with high labor union participation results in states with a lower than average median household income, and you used West Virginia as your “proof”. I looked into it and found that just the opposite is true. West Virginia is the one exception. States that that tended toward Democratic policies/governing and have higher than average labor union participation tend to have higher than average median household income, naturally. I included the list of the top 10 states as well as a list of the lowest 10 states. I also included links to my sources, something you should do but don’t.

Feb 25, 2014 6:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Chazz wrote:

Did you know this???

Florida Democratic congressional candidate Alex Sink said immigration reform was important because, without it, “where are you going to get people to work to clean our hotel rooms or do our landscaping?”

Ummm hum…. Betcha won’t see any liberals bunch their undies or call her out over that comment.

Feb 25, 2014 6:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@PerryLogan wrote: “The lesson seems clear: hating Obamacare is a seriously bad reason to vote Republican. Vote Republican only if you like seeing government deployed against the citizens.”

That is exactly what we have had since the democrats took office in 2009; government against the citizens. The ACA was put into law with a clear majority against it at the time. The democrats blindly voted for it as testified by congresswoman Nancy Pelosi when she said “we have to pass it to know what is in it”. The democrat president has lied to the American public numerous times, even winning the biggest lie of the year in 2014. He continues to get 3 and 4 pinocchos, a sign of a lie, from the Washington Post this year. We have an AG that refuses to follow laws of the country, only enforcing when it is a law he agress with. What a clown there. We had a secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, that failed the American people by failing to secure our people in Benghazi. She told congress that it did not matter that Americans died with her famous “what does it matter” quote. We had a representative of the president, Susan Rice, that came out and lied to the American public on five different channels and now says she does not regret it.

And you think Americans should put the liberal dems back in for what reason?

Feb 25, 2014 6:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TPAINE3 wrote:

With skyrocketing “deductibles” for a plan that has items we neither want nor need (aka “maternity leave” when you’re over 60)!!

Feb 25, 2014 6:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TPAINE3 wrote:

With skyrocketing “deductibles” for a plan that has items we neither want nor need (aka “maternity leave” when you’re over 60)!!

Feb 25, 2014 6:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TPAINE3 wrote:

With skyrocketing “deductibles” for a plan that has items we neither want nor need (aka “maternity leave” when you’re over 60)!!

Feb 25, 2014 6:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TPAINE3 wrote:

With skyrocketing “deductibles” for a plan that has items we neither want nor need (aka “maternity leave” when you’re over 60)!!

Feb 25, 2014 6:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Chazz wrote:

Florida Democrat Alex Sink: Without Immigration Reform, Where Will We Get Our Landscapers and Maids?

http://youtu.be/s6S4zSPN5Ec

Feb 25, 2014 7:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@Chazz- I saw that in the Washington Examiner where they said:

“Florida Democratic congressional candidate Alex Sink said during a debate Tuesday that Congress should pass immigration reform — otherwise, where else would we get maids and landscapers?”

Sounds like a liberal bigot but you are correct when you say the liberal dems will not say a peep about this one. Apparently Alex Sink (a former bank executive) wants to make sure she has someone to do her laundry and mow her lawn. Too funny.

Feb 25, 2014 7:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@Chazz- I saw that in the Washington Examiner where they said:

“Florida Democratic congressional candidate Alex Sink said during a debate Tuesday that Congress should pass immigration reform — otherwise, where else would we get maids and landscapers?”

Sounds like a liberal bigot but you are correct when you say the liberal dems will not say a peep about this one. Apparently Alex Sink (a former bank executive) wants to make sure she has someone to do her laundry and mow her lawn. Too funny.

Feb 25, 2014 7:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@Chazz- I saw that in the Washington Examiner where they said:

“Florida Democratic congressional candidate Alex Sink said during a debate Tuesday that Congress should pass immigration reform — otherwise, where else would we get maids and landscapers?”

Sounds like a liberal bigot but you are correct when you say the liberal dems will not say a peep about this one. Apparently Alex Sink (a former bank executive) wants to make sure she has someone to do her laundry and mow her lawn. Too funny.

Feb 25, 2014 7:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

4825: “That is exactly what we have had since the democrats took office in 2009; government against the citizens.”

I’m going to do something you never do. I’m going to prove you wrong with facts and back them up with sources.

This is a poll taken in 2007 regarding the top issues that Americans want addressed. The #1 issue was Iraq. Most Americans wanted us out of Iraq. Indeed, a majority of Americans felt that the Iraq War was a mistake (a Republican mistake). Obama addressed this #1 issue the way most Americans wanted: he got us out.

The #2 issue? Healthcare reform. This had moved up from the #3 spot, replacing the economy as the #2 issue Americans were most concerned about. In order to address healthcare in a bi-partisan fashion, Obama adopted a market-based, Republican plan. He wanted to included a public option, but the Republicans prevented that from happening. A public option would have done a lot to keep insurance costs down. Thanks, Republicans.

The #3 issue was the economy. Obama tackled it in, what had been, a traditionally American way: stimulus spending. He kept us out of a depression and got us out of a recession, leading the stock market to reach new highs and record profits for American companies. Unfortunately, the Middle Class has not recovered as well as the rich (who the Republicans want to lower taxes for AGAIN.) Obama’s trying to address that issue, but getting a lot of resistance from Republicans.
http://kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-election-2008-march/

90% of the American people support universal background checks for gun purchases. Obama wanted to give the people what they want, but the Republicans blocked them.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/apr/18/gabrielle-giffords/gabby-giffords-says-americans-overwhelmingly-suppo/

The Republicans shut down the government, draining $24 billion from our economy in the process. They tried to force our country into a default on our debt obligations, but failed when it became clear that Obama wasn’t going to play their game.
http://kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-election-2008-march/

Clearly, it’s not Obama or the Democrats who are working against the American people. It’s the Republicans.

Feb 25, 2014 9:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RexMax46 wrote:

@Chazz and 4825:

Here you go,

“Alex Sink’s comments linking immigration reform as only beneficial to people in the service industry is wrong, racist, and completely discounts the hundreds of thousands of educated, undocumented young adults targeted by the Dream Act.”

There, you happy? Of course, anyone upset with Sink’s comments would probably be less likely to support Jolly, who is flat out against ANY plan to legalize the existence of undocumented peoples (1).

(1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhL7HtGcDB0&feature=youtu.be&t=8m50s

P.S. I know it may seem like posting your comment is of paramount importance, but please, just hit the ‘Post Comment’ button once, then give it a sec.

Feb 25, 2014 10:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
FrederickM wrote:

carnivalchaos,

It does not necessarily follow that since healthcare reform is the #2 priority in polls, people favor the ACA. Lots of people who favor healthcare reform are horrified by the ACA.

The clearest evidence that the ACA is defective is that the president keeps delaying parts of it. He not fixing the ACA, he’s just slowing it down. Some of these moves (e.g., delaying part of the employer mandate) are obviously political and equally obviously have nothing to do with computer problems. He’s just delaying another round of pain until after the 2014 elections.

It might even work. We’ll just have to wait and see.

Feb 25, 2014 10:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

FrederickM: If you’ll reread my post you’ll find that nowhere did I state that “people favor the ACA.” The point I was trying to make is that Obama made the effort to give the people what the wanted and did so in a way that should have pleased Republicans, at the sacrifice of alienating his own base, most of whom would have preferred a single payer system, or at least the public option. In your rereading you’ll notice that I DO mention the public option and how the Republicans killed it.

My comment, as I state, was in response to 4825′s comment about how the Democrats have been working against the American people. I was showing that, in fact, the opposite is true. The Democrats have been giving the people what they want as best they can, while the Republicans have consistently opposed anything that the majority of Americans want. In today’s political climate it’s much harder to give the American people what they want than it is to give industry lobbyists what they want.

On the issue of healthcare, let there be no doubt that people wanted healthcare reform. Let’s not be rewriting history on that point. That’s why I included the poll. Obama ran on that promise and he got the only healthcare reform bill passed that was available to him. As I mentioned, a public option should have been part of the ACA, but the Republicans killed it. A public option would have been a potent force in keeping insurance costs down, which is why the insurance lobby and the Republicans were so opposed to it.

The only reason the ACA was able to pass is because it’s the most conservative, least disruptive, healthcare reform system available. And even so, it barely passed. The insurance industry didn’t want change. They’re perfectly happy the way the old system was working for them. They were given a lot in the ACA to appease them, but they still spent over $100 million trying to kill the bill, and they’re still trying. It’s a sad reality in American government. We’re ruled by the titans of industry.

Feb 25, 2014 11:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
valwayne wrote:

Nobody is fooled. Sink is just an ambitious Politian looking for a way back into the game after her defeat last time round. She couldn’t care less about the district. She is also an Obama, Nancy Pelosi Clone. She’s happy to vote exactly as they like and she’s happy to LIE for them like every other democrat in the House and Senate. The district when for Obama last time so it has clearly become a democrat leaning district. The question is whether the LIES are OK and whether they really want to continue the JOB killing, economy killing policies of Obama. If they want a LIAR who supports Obama, Pelosi, and Obamacare Sink is their person. Otherwise they need to cook her to the curb.

Feb 25, 2014 11:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RexMax46 wrote:

@canivalchaos
To be fair, there were a couple of Democrats and a particular independent that helped get rid of the single payer / public option. Still, even a watered down ACA covering formerly uninsured people is better than the no solution the GOP was offering.

@valwayne
I don’t know much about Sink other than she’d be considered a moderate Republic 30 years ago. Can you cite any instances of her lying?

Feb 26, 2014 12:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
sunwhereelse wrote:

Obamacare Lies

Obamacare is a travesty
Forced down our throats by his majesty.
Lied to us from the very first day
Just take a pain pill and go away.

Liberals continue to lie to us
And says Obamacare is a definite must.
A ‘death panel’ does not truly exist
Another LIE from this socialist.

Another LIE we all can see
That it will cost less for you and me.
Prices have doubled and tripled for us
Continued LIES from this socialist.

Doctors are leaving due to this mess
Causing the elderly and all undue stress.
Millions have lost their health care plan
Due to the LIES from this corrupt man.

America no longer the ‘land of the free’
Due to Obama and the dem party !
The dem party ceased to exist
Replaced with the lies of socialists !!

Have we become sheep in this once great land
To be dictated too by a corrupt socialist man?
Millions need to descend on DC
Take America back from this tyra

Feb 26, 2014 7:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
steve399 wrote:

FL-13 is a red district. The black population concentrations of south St Pete and NW Clearwater have been gerrymandered out. The Dems lose nothing by losing this election.

Feb 26, 2014 8:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
RexMax46 wrote:

@sunwhereelse
You seem to have gotten “citation of lies” confused with “capitalization of lies.” Then again, that post points to you having a lot of other things confused as well.

Feb 26, 2014 10:55am EST  --  Report as abuse

Did a Real Estate Agent Really Say “obamacare ruined our economy”? So it wasn’t the selling of crappy mortgages to people who couldn’t pay them that collapsed our financial markets, plummeting the stock market to 7500, creating billion dollar bank bailouts, further compounding the point we had no money to pay for the two wars we were fighting? Psst… the economy is actually better now then it was in 2009 before Obamacare.

Mar 03, 2014 3:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The ones paying 100′s more in healthcare, are the ones who weren’t paying anything before. I’m tired of paying their bills, so you’ll get no sympathy from me. Welcome to the world of responsibiity

Mar 03, 2014 3:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
This discussion is now closed. We welcome comments on our articles for a limited period after their publication.