Merkel raps Putin as Russian forces tighten grip on Crimea

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NickL1961 wrote:

Man, so much propaganda in USA, nobody knows about Crimea and nobody cares about the people in Crimea.Russia..great move !!! They will never leave Crimea. I was born there and grow up over there. But I know what Obama and his administration will do. They will start killing people over there, supply minority separatists with the weapons( Muslims probably so they can start killing majority Russian speaking people ). Mark my word.. Money and some f… political games
will bring my small town ( like small town in USA) to the point that people starting to kill each other.Actually it’s not
Russian Army but Russian speaking people who live over there took it over. Right thing to do ! I live in USA for 20 years and not it’s going to affect my relatives if EU and USA starting to help Ukrainian
( not the government , but just a group of people) to get the Crimea back. USA should be keep mouth shut, none of their business !! There is NO American people over there.. Russian protects Russians ! the way it should be. Read Crimea history. It has nothing to do with Ukraine. Propaganda in USA telling people lies about Crimea ..So they want to protect Ukraine. Bullshit , I know this place , grow up over there, most of the people really , really happy to see Russian speaking troops. I mean really happy. USA should just leave them along , and one more thing..it’s too late now, nobody give up Crimea without nuclear war , just trust me on this.

Mar 08, 2014 9:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Greenspan2 wrote:

It seems that Ukraine would benefit by negotiating loans and trade agreements with both the EU and Russia that all parties can manage to agree to. Without being familiar with the Ukrainian constitution and government workings (other than the corruption and dysfunction), I don’t know if the president was outside of his authority by not signing the EU trade agreement and if so what subsequent legal action would have been appropriate for the parliament to have followed. With a Russian military base crucial to Russia’s national security involved, I would have thought that that would have been a consideration. A lot has changed since 1991.

Mar 08, 2014 9:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
longtail wrote:

It’s never good when someone shoots at monitors.

Mar 08, 2014 10:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Those masked soldiers show true Putin’s face.

There’s one fairly easy thing that has to be done: get the pictures of a dozen of these troops without masks, then publish them in the media all over the world with their names and ranks in the Russian Army… beside a video where Putin is saying that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine. And all deceitful Putin’s propaganda goes to hell… for “everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” (Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

Mar 09, 2014 1:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

The fascist accounts are not exaggerated. In case of doubts go to Wikipedia and type Svoboda or Right Sector political parties. The leading government members in Ukraine are now people from these parties. So this was one obvious bias in this article. Another bias is more intricate. Yes Aksyonov represent the Russian Unity party with only four percents. That is the A. But the Party of Regions that has eighty percent was banned by the Kiev. That is the B that the author of this article chose not to say.

Mar 09, 2014 4:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

All this and in the meanwhile Bashar Assad is allowed to carry on a war that has killed over 150,000 people in 3 years. Yet still diplomacy is in the works but diplomacy for Russia will fail quickly.
Hogwash!

Mar 09, 2014 6:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WildWilli wrote:

It is obvious to me that west Ukraine is vastly different than east Ukraine. So, why not divide the two sectors into two separate countries with the east taking the southeast regions including Crimea and the west taking the northwest regions. Obviously, West Ukraine would align itself with the EU and East Ukraine would align itself with Russia. Neither parties may like this arrangement but this might prevent a bloody war where no one wins.

Mar 09, 2014 6:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

This whole mess is a primal case of “might makes right.”

Ukraine is bankrupt. When the Ukrainians have to ask Russia for food, a lot of attitudes will change. There won’t be a “Kiev Airlift,” ala East Berlin.

At the moment, three different “opposition” groups are vying for power in whatever “new” Ukraine government is formed. That formation could easily get dragged out. Then, elections will take a lot more time than is currently estimated. In the meantime, no one in the “West” is prepared to loan Ukraine any amount of cash, with such high risk in plain sight.

However, Putin is prepared to quickly take care of Ukraine’s economic problems – as before. However, the “new” terms probably won’t be as “nice.” Certain Ukraine “opposition” leaders might do well to brush up on their Polish; and start packing their suitcases. Putin won’t be taking any prisoners.

In the interim, the EU is sweating collapse; and the Brits have some huge investments in Russia, that they are not prepared to lose – or have any problems with.

The U.S. needs Putin just to transport crews to the Space Station. Putin also probably has control of the airspace and land routes that NATO and the U.S. need to withdraw troops from Afghanistan.

Obama and the Gang got caught meddling in the Ukraine “opposition” movement; attempting to manipulate which “opposition” members would play what role in the “new” government – and who was to be left out. Putin won’t make that worth Obama’s time – just to make Obama sorry for the day he was elected. Putin already had some old “scores” to settle with Obama, over other issues, such as “Libya.”

No doubt, Putin will be the dirty-rotten-bastard. As far as Putin is concerned, when “losers” call you names; it’s a good day.

The “West” won’t engage the Russian military. With Obama keeping the U.S. coffers empty, the U.S. can’t even fund a proxy war against any of Putin’s distant interests, such as “Syria.”

The Ukraine outcome may be as immoral as anything in the past 20 years; but who is going to stop Putin, or even significantly punish him? The “West” needs Putin; Putin doesn’t need the “West.”

Back to an old song, the U.S. doesn’t have any significant interest in this “Ukraine Crisis;” that’s a matter for the EU and the UN.

The one lesson which will hopefully be learned from this is that the U.S. needs leaders; not high-ranking politicians. Putin took his lessons from Reagan; strangely, America didn’t. Reagan was a “leader;” so, obviously, is Putin.

Right now, the “Ukraine Crisis” is a tremendous source for “lessons learned” about Putin’s/Russia’s adaptation and evolved methodologies in “Localized Cold War” in the 21st Century.

Sooner or later, in so many words, Putin is going to announce:

“In the 21st Century, America and the so-called ‘West’ kill tens of thousands of civilians at a time, in the name of a ‘Democracy;’ which never comes, but very briefly. Then, America retreats in shame; leaving those who trusted America and the ‘West’ to run and die. Who has Russia killed, except in self defense – and how few? Judge me. Judge Russia, Just be fair in that judgment. But, there will be no such judgment. The ‘West’ cannot afford it; they are too terrified of mirrors.”

So long as U.S. elected officials continue to give their first allegiance to the New World Order, the “leadership” so desperately needed by America will continue to be impossible. Thus, Putin is fearless.

There is nothing secret about the New World Order – aka “Globalism/Globalists.” The associated speeches of just the U.S. leaders are all over the Internet. There is no associated “conspiracy theory.”

Accordingly, if anyone thinks the “Ukraine Crisis” is bad; wait until Putin’s next quest. Slowly, Putin is essentially re-assembling the “Soviet Union.” Ukraine is just so much practice.

Until the “West” fields leaders instead of politicians, Putin will have his way. Right now, Angela Merkel is probably the only “Western” example of a leader; and she’s lonely. To her credit, she intimately understands Putin. She also understands her limitations; being shackled to those such as Obama and the Gang.

Absent something surprising and dramatic, the “Ukraine Crisis” is essentially political entertainment, to be listed as “tragedy.” It fits well with “Hamlet.”

Mar 09, 2014 7:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
wrote:

What i believe is that Russians are concerned about their Black Sea Fleet which erupted a chaos as the Ukraine’s parliament ratified the treaty that extends Russia’s naval base lease on a military wharf and shore installations in the Crimean port Sevastopol until 2042. This explains their very harsh and highly risky reaction, and the presence of what seem to be Russian forces in the Crimea.
However the Russian foreign ministry stated that “movement of the Black Sea Fleet armored vehicles in Crimea (…) happens in full accordance with basic Russian-Ukrainian agreements on the Black Sea Fleet”.
We all know that Russian speakers make up about 60% of Crimea’s population of more than 2 million, but around a quarter are Ukrainian and 12% are Crimean Tatar, a predominantly Muslim minority. Neither of the latter two groups would welcome a switch to Russian control. This means that if tensions are not resolved diplomatically Between Russia and Ukraine regards to Crimea then WWIII is inevitable!

Mar 09, 2014 7:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Riversong wrote:

The coup d’etat in Kiev was incited by the US and enforced by the neo-Nazi Svoboda Party and Chechnyan Islamic militants, and the new prime minister was selected by Victoria Nuland of the US State Department.

Russia, who justly fears the continued encroachment of NATO to its borders, has more legitimacy in protecting Crimea than the US or EU has in manipulating Ukraine into their camp.

Mar 09, 2014 7:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TBellchambers wrote:

What is the essential difference between the Falkland Islands & Britain and the Crimea & Russia? Between Thatcher and Putin. In both cases the population of the regions in question have opted overwhelmingly to stay with the occupier. It’s called democracy, isn’t it?

Mar 09, 2014 9:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ArribaJuarez wrote:

The U.S. was highly critical of the overthrow of the democratically elected government in Egypt but, hypocritically, encouraged the overthrow of the elected government in the Ukraine. Now the Crimea is democratically wanting to decide their own fate and the U.S. is strongly opposing the move. The U.S. desperately needs to develop a consistent foreign policy, which hopefully will include a reduction in embarrassing meddling. Putin will eat Obama’s and Kerry’s lunch.

Mar 09, 2014 9:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
unionwv wrote:

Obama’s warning to Russia from Florida: “Fore!”

Mar 09, 2014 10:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UrDrighten wrote:

Quote: “Around 2,000 Russian supporters gathered in Lenin Square, where there is a statue of the Soviet state founder, clapping along to nostalgic Soviet era songs being sung from the stage.”

Clearly, we are seeing history repeat itself: Soviets vs. Nazis, but without the political ambitions of Hitler…

Mar 09, 2014 10:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bighammerman wrote:

Obama, Biden, Clinton and Kerry have destroyed our country and this is more proof. If you support Obama you are supporting the demise of our country. Obama needs to resign for the safety and security of the US and the globe.

Mar 09, 2014 10:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

When a country implodes and devolves into a kleptocracy – it’s asking to be taken over by a stronger power that will take matters in hand. In fact, it can be bought easily and will sell itself to the highest bidder.

I’m reading Roman history and watching a lot of videos. They seem so timely somehow.

The BS about bull headed politicians is almost funny. If you take the testosterone and Harleys out of the picture (and women like that too don’t forget, its the charge more than the juices actually and any sex can get hormonal) if it’s possible to do that, the basic problem of building viable states that actually benefit most of their inhabitants rather than some well placed crooked insiders is what most people anywhere want. When the insiders start to walk off with the furniture, any other stable government that can stop the looting, or the bombings when hell really breaks out, starts to look good.

Putin is hated by people who don’t like interference in their own efforts at privatized empire building and they can be every bit as ruthless and even less responsible for the greater good. Anyone can hire PR people and claim they are “democratic” and “champions of freedom”, and they do. The oligarchs were going to leave the mass of Russians starving as they built commercial empires. The Russians and the rest of eastern Europe don’t have that Calvinist work ethic this country took for granted. It sounds like all of them want to get rich quick by the shortest route possible.

If Ukraine starts to break up into civil war and is laid waste, their options will shrink dramatically, Putin will win and rightly so. Maybe their only choice is between the responsible pigs and the irresponsible pigs. Putin and the Russians many be the more responsible pigs. They share language with the country.

What sorts of future will it be for Ukraine, with ethno-nationaiist sentiments that never seem to tire of making “nice” distinctions between “peoples” when they have broken up into a new middle ages of distinct principalities, stuffed with kleptomaniacs and little dictators, none of which can do anything more than sell themselves to the highest banking bidders just to keep their economies afloat?

Maybe Ukraine should work out autonomy under an umbrella of people with deeper pockets to back them up. Otherwise they are very small fish that are much easier to gobble by anyone else’s bear, and that bear could be a few big businessmen around the world. They can choose between a banker that lives next door or one that lives on the other side of the globe. Who’s likely to know their situation better?

If anyone thinks that’s silly – This months issue of Foreign Affairs Journal mentions a Chines tycoon that has negotiated the rights to build a second canal through Nicaragua. How likely is that to work? He is the last of s series of prior attempts to build that canal stretching back to the turn of the 20th century. The Ukrainians could meet their own version and businessmen don’t really like the burdens of managing whole states. “All the people” tend to be seen as an inconvenience.

The “west” does not come to them uncritically recommended. There’s too many who want winners and losers and they don’t mind making as many losers as it takes to make them mega winners.

Mar 09, 2014 10:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
njglea wrote:

I don’t think Mr. Putin is the only bad guy in this situation or other “movements” for democracy like Arab Spring. It’s about time we found out who the “masters of the universe” behind this really are. It’s whoever thought we stupid Americans would elect Mitt Romney for President.

Mar 09, 2014 11:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RIforR wrote:

Look who is power in Ukraine now.
Search on YouTube.com Сашко Билый. Specially pay attention to how he threatens and beats Prosecutor of city Rovno! Please Pay Attention PROSECUTOR!
This Сашко Билый is right hand of Dmitry Yarosh ultra Nazi who is going to be President of Ukraine.

Mar 09, 2014 11:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oregonkayaker wrote:

The British and French have laid siege to Sevastopol in the past. Maybe they would like to try again. A cavalry charge across open ground directly into Russian cannon would be nostalgic.

Mar 09, 2014 11:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ELinares wrote:

Which of Putinesque-Russia’s—otherwise known as USSR-2—outrageous lies are the Western press choosing to believe today? That “it’s still unconfirmed the troops are Russian, though are flying the Russian flag” or Putin’s incredible assertion that “we went into Ukraine on a humanitarian mission”? Come on, guys; had you been in Auschwitz at the end of WW2, you would have put it: “No Nazi troops were found here, so it can’t be ascertained that they undeniably committed this atrocity”? Now is time to use the same yardstick all around.

Mar 09, 2014 11:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
glovergirl wrote:

What I do not understand is how the West can justify stroking the fire to civil unrest, change in government, and attempt realignment of a democratic country then scapegoat the Russians when they try to do the opposite. Why is Putin always the bad guy? John McCain is more a bully in this case. For now, the Russians are showing more sensitivity to the principles of democracy than the classic bastions of “freedom and liberty”.

Mar 09, 2014 11:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

(ras)Putin is a dishonorable liar and Russians will not honor any agreement they sign. Disinvest your Russian holdings or be crushed by the continuing devaluation of the Ruble.
The war between (ras)Putin and the G7 has begun.

Mar 09, 2014 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
moonbatpatrol wrote:

Yeah, Putin is shaking in his boots…..

Mar 09, 2014 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

Look at History. On 19 February 1954, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. The transfer of the Crimean Oblast to Ukraine has been described as a “symbolic gesture,” marking the 300th anniversary of Ukraine becoming a part of the Russian Empire. The General Secretary of the Communist Party in Soviet Union was at the time the Ukrainian Nikita Khrushchev. Khrushchev was Ukrainian and it was his idea.

The population is largely Russian, in any event, it should not be a US problem, after all look at all the meddling we have done, kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

Mar 09, 2014 12:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sleuth wrote:

A thorough investigation of the snipers who killed both police and protestors in Kiev, both sides in Kiev, needs to be done. We need to find out who did it, and I believe Russia’s Foreign Minister is within his rights to find out the truth.

Who had the motive to commit this atrocity of over 100 people dead in Kiev? Is it a coincidence that the EU & the US wanted Ukraine to accept an austerity plan deal which was turned down by the former President of Ukraine?

Is it a coincidence that Ukrainian pro-Western billionaires were appointed, not elected, to be governors of Donetsk and Dnipropetrovsk, who immediately tore down the Russian flag against the will of the people there? This is not democratic, and it wreaks of a puppet regime.

Per Paul Craig Roberts, former US Treasury Secretary to Reagan, “The austerity plan will cut social services, funds for education, layoff government workers, devalue the currency, thus raising the prices of imports which include Russian gas, thus electricity, and open Ukrainian assets to takeover by Western corporations.”

He also said it will “Ukrainian pensions from $160 to $80 so that Western bankers who lent money to Ukraine can be repaid at the expense of Ukraine’s poor….naïve protesters who believed the propaganda that EU membership offered a better life are due to lose half of their pension by April. But this is only the beginning.”

Mar 09, 2014 1:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@moonbatpatrol
And when the Ukrainian Slavs start sending Russian Slavs back to their mothers in body bags will Russia still continue its war with the rest of the world? We are about to find out.

Mar 09, 2014 1:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Goo12 wrote:

Plan of Action

The one thing that Czar Putin can not tolerate is to lose face on the world stage, hence the G7 leaders should meet on an urgent basis to discuss the Crimean situation

At the end of the meeting the G7 would announce to the world that they will not attend the G8 meeting in Sochi, Russian Federation

Furthermore, the G7 leaders would announce that Czar Putin is no longer a member and future meetings will revert back to the G7 nations without Russia

Czar Putin will lose face in his own country and internationally

Moore, Garry R – Solutions Inc

Mar 09, 2014 1:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I watched the entire U.N. Security Council meeting last week, initiated at Russia’s request. The ambassador for Ukraine stated the situation is their problem and had not asked for Russia’s help. The ambassador for Russia, on the other hand, indicated they were worried about extremist-type ideologies that might put the inhabitants of Crimea into harm’s way.

Most of the other ambassadors offered their support and expressed their willingness to help mediate the situation. One particular ambassador sounded harsh, aggressive, and confrontational against Russia. It seemed like the closer the respective country is to both Ukraine and Russia, the softer the tone. The farther away, the tougher the talk.

From everything I’ve heard and read, I can’t properly judge the situation and pick the “right side” against the “wrong side.” However, with that said, the vitality of both Ukraine and Russia stand to gain from investment, either from domestic sources or international sources. Countries that attract business capital inflows will probably achieve better prosperity for their citizens than those that repel business capital inflows due to a political situation that is in arrears.

Mar 09, 2014 1:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JCM-51A wrote:

Germans better hope for a mild winter this year if they continue to poke a stick in the eye of their primary energy supplier.

Mar 09, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JCM-51A wrote:

Germans better hope for a mild winter this year if they continue to poke a stick in the eye of their primary energy supplier.

Mar 09, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Finally… What was Merkel thinking when the Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008 and she said NO to appease her “freund” Putin?

“Russian forces’ seizure of the Black Sea peninsula has been bloodless” only thanks to the Ukrainians. Otherwise, there would’ve been a blood bath already. Chechnya, Ossetia, Crimea… what’s next? A thug Putin doesn’t give a sh!t about people lives!

Mar 09, 2014 2:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
philosSVK wrote:

So the coup in Kyiev was legal. Germany dealed with Yanukovich can stay till next elections and now when nazis rule Ukraine Merkel defends them? What have you expected? Germany must defend nazis..

Mar 09, 2014 2:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Totalitarianism is cancer of human race.
Putin is international mafioso/terrorist #1, because he has full pockets of NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJb5PfZxfXI (skip the first 45 sec.)

Mar 09, 2014 2:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

“A Reuters reporting team filmed a convoy of hundreds of Russian troops in about 50 trucks, accompanied by armored vehicles and ambulances, which pulled into a military base north of Simferopol in broad daylight on Saturday.” – Great! It’ll be very useful at the next Nuremberg…

Mar 09, 2014 2:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
majkmushrm wrote:

What Russia’s doing violates the Ukrainian constitution but violently overthrowing the elected government doesn’t, apparently. “Western” governments should publish a list of which countries the normal rules of the road apply to and which ones are exempted.

Mar 09, 2014 3:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Goo12 wrote:

Plan of Action

Given that the one thing that Czar Putin can not tolerate is to lose face on the world stage, the G7 leaders should meet on an urgent basis to discuss the Crimean situation

At the end of the meeting the G7 would announce to the world that they will not attend the G8 meeting in Sochi, Russian Federation

Furthermore, the G7 leaders would announce that Czar Putin is no longer a member and ALL future meetings will revert back to the G7 nations without Russia

Czar Putin will lose face in his own country and internationally

Moore, Garry R – Solutions Inc

Mar 09, 2014 3:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bob9999 wrote:

If there had been a will to do so, cool heads could have navigated through this whole thing, from the departure of the Ukraine president to a cession of Crimea to Russia without military force and without violating the Ukrainian constitution.

The problem is that the Ukrainian nationalists don’t seem to have much respect for their own constitution and laws, even as they are trying to use them to protect themselves, while, at the same time, the Russians seem to be trying to make the point that they have an unbridled right to intervene militarily in what they deem to be their “sphere of influence” in Eastern Europe.

To make matters even crazier, Crimea was Russian and not Ukrainian until the 1950s, when Nikita Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Ukrainian control.

Russia will probably look back at this incident years from now as a major strategic mistake, because European alliances will harden against it. But recognizing that it is a historic mistake, as we watch it unfold in real time, does not make it less of a historic mistake. And it does not mean that the mistake is not being made before our very eyes.

Maybe it is for the best, in the sense that Western politicians are now less likely mistakenly to assume that Russia will act as they would act.

Mar 09, 2014 3:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BillyHewitt wrote:

Wow! The Ukrainians understand the surrender salute. When the genocide terrorist Bush invaded Iraq, Bush ordered US troops to shoot everything living, men women, children in that order. When genocide terrorist Black Bama invaded Libya Black Bama ordered US troops to shoot everything living, children, women, men in that order. The humane Russian military refuses to massacre the population. This is the greatest humanitarion invasion in the history of the world.
Great! Black Bama and cowardly EU just gave the Ukranian Neo Nazis $36 Billion…more debt for the coming economic crash! Hey Black Bama Russia has Crimea and Eastern part of Ukraine you and NATO caved like the black chicken in Bosworth’s tale. Tell the Ukraine Neo Nazis “Bye Bye Crimea Bye Bye Eastern Ukraine now u got half kraine Ha! Ha! Ha!“ Wow what a trader half Kraine maybe you just rename it to HalfKraine not bad…

Mar 09, 2014 3:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dlob wrote:

This is the beginning of Putin’s end. Putin did wrong move this time. All neighboring countries scared from Russia. Russian business with Western and Eastern Europe will go down soon. Putin isolates Russia.

Mar 09, 2014 3:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

@BillyHewitt wrote: “The humane Russian military refuses to massacre the population.”
Wow! But Putin says there’s NO Russian military over there, doesn’t he? Get you lies straight folks…

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Tovmeod wrote:

“Yanukovich was toppled after three months of demonstrations against a decision to spurn a free trade deal with the European Union for closer ties with Russia.” That’s the heart of it. Pooty Poot wants his man to run Ukraine. I wonder if his strategy includes breaking up Ukraine, so that he at least gets part of it. That way the other part would be too weak to worry about.

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OhNoYouDidNot wrote:

Putin is full of lies and double standards. There are no russian troops in crimea, oh thats why the “defence militia” is wearing top notch russian military equipment that most of the russian military dont have.

He said that the coup d’état in ukraine was unlawful, first thing he does in crimea, overthrow the local officials and get his very own puppet show going. Now this whole vote will surely be fair, with 150% support for joining russia.

Mar 09, 2014 4:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rokbrigade wrote:

@UauS- Most people on this thread don’t understand what’s going on. They completely depend on the news to get their information let alone has never been to Ukraine. My wife is Ukrainian and I’ve been to Ukraine. The people of Ukraine are the most proudest and nicest people I have ever met. As you probably already know, as well as me, most of the population of Ukraine dispise Putin and don’t want to belong to Russia or should I say a new Soviet empire. The russians that are seen rioting in the streets are Russian citizens bussed in from Russia to be “Actors.” It is funny how before this took place while everyone in Maidan and Ukraine to include Crimea wanted that thieving scumbag Yanunkovich out of office, there seemed to be only a handful of people who supported Yanunkovich’s pilliging of the country. And I say “support his pilliging of the country” because anyone who supported him was also in some way stealing from the country and didn’t mind it. Now that he has fled Ukraine under the protection of his boss Putin, everyone in Crimea wants to become part of Russia all of a sudden. Putin continues to put russian troops as well as more “Actors” into Crimea to get the world to believe that Crimea really wants to become part of Russia when in actuality it is the other way around. As for the United States and N.A.T.O. militaries, Russia’s military is a joke compared to what we have. Don’t believe for one minute that the U.S. and N.A.T.O. are just gonna sit back and let this happen. There is a reason as to why there is a U.S. Navy Frigate in the Black Sea and a U.S. Naval battle group in the Aegian sea. There is a reason why we are sending a N.A.T.O quick response unit to Poland. Russia has no navy except maybe 1 or 2 operational ships that cannot even compare with our ships. Our militaries have several contingency plans in place in the event Russia takes this a step farther to include military intervention. Nobody believes this won’t happen and that’s what our governments want to public to keep believing. Nobody really believed Putin wouldn’t do what he has done and he did it. As I look at the pre 80′s russian military hardware that is seen rolling through the streets of Crimea, I’m thinking “Is this the best that they’ve got?” If Crimea does vote to become part of Russia, then it will become the beginning of the end Putins reign. The Crimean Tatars are not going to let this happen. I really think Crimea will become Russia’s second Chechnya and you will then see complete caos in that country. Then you will see the russian population start leaving Crimea in droves to escape the war that will be going on. As for his nuclear weapons, go on-line and compare Russias nukes to the U.S. nukes. Then along with the N.A.T.O. countries who have nukes and combine the totals together with the U.S nukes,that is what Russia’s nuclear forces are up against. What Putin has done could be the biggest blunder he has ever made and will be his downfall. Yes, Putin is shaking.

Mar 09, 2014 4:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
darken09 wrote:

Stop lying Reuters. I believed in you but now…

I’m a Russian citizen living in Moscow. I have my relatives living in Sevastopol. We call each other every day.

It is so unbelievable how Western mass-media twist facts. I can say that Russian media also twist facts and are looking for a justification but still, there are some REAL facts, actually. My relatives in Sevastopol tell me it.

The illegale coup d’etat HAS BEEN TAKEN PLACE in Kiev. It was non-democratic procedure of armed seizure of power in the country. There IS a “sniper affair” which prompts at some uncleanness in this case. There ARE laws accepted by new parliament about restriction of Russian language, Russian TV channels and Russian schools.

Crimea was a Ukrainian territory. I visited it for several times. It is a poor region which can live only by resort business. But still poverty and desolation can be seen there. Nothing significant has been built since Soviet Union had been collapsed except several expensive luxury hotels. Almost everyone there speaks Russian. Russian tourists feel like home there and visit it every year.

Now the country has been change. New people rule it, new laws, new political course and landmark. People of Crimea, Russian-speaking, Russians, are scared about these changes, they are scared that they will be made to speak and think Ukrainian along with their children. They are scared that everyone who disagrees will be pursuited. They are scared that being a part of Europe they won’t be able to be connected with their relatives in Russia. That’s why people in Crimea and Sevastopol, historically Russian city, decided to change country to live.

Do they have a right to do it? Do you really say “no”? Why you didn’t tell “no” to Kosovo? Why you Mr. Obama or Mr. Clinton haven’t offered to make an all-Serbian referendum about letting Kosovo to be independent? I think everyone knows what would be a result.

Of course Ukrainian out-of-law new government don’t want to loose Crimea. Nobody would want, in fact. But still, why West was ready to support these people, VERY RICH PEOPLE who now are in charge of a ruined country? Why nobody work on “Sniper affair”? Or maybe it is time to stop blame Russia and return to LEGAL government in Ukraine? Or let’s be free from any “Maidan” or “pro-Russian” people and try to from a really democratic government?

BTW, all there “Russian-bucked” or “pro-Moscow” turns of speech. Are all what has been said about freedom of mass-media on West is no truth? ARE YOU NOT DEMOCRATIC AND OBJECTIVE AS YOU WANT TO LOOK LIKE?

Mar 09, 2014 4:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

Why does the US have to constantly overthrow democratic Governments around the world. How many nations does the US have to destroy before the world says enough.

Mar 09, 2014 4:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

@UauS
Are you fool or troll?

Of course there is – Fleet personnel of official naval base since Sevastopol’s foundation.
Putin just said that PoliteMen(tm) are not them.

But in case of bandhar-logs attempting punitive actions against Crimean civilians Fleet will rip ‘ancient ukrs’ new one – it’s sailors’ friends, women and kids who live in Sevastopol after all.

Mar 09, 2014 4:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bpwilbur wrote:

Russia invaded Ukraine with the argument that its nationals were in danger, and yet it seems to be their nationals who are constantly attacking the Ukrainians.

Mar 09, 2014 4:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

@chyron wrote: “Fleet personnel of official naval base since Sevastopol’s foundation.”

“A Reuters reporting team filmed a convoy of hundreds of Russian troops in about 50 trucks, accompanied by armored vehicles and ambulances, which pulled into a military base north of Simferopol [!]” (from this article)

“What is the distance between simferopol’ and The Black Sea? -
163.984476399 kilometres” (http://www.evi.com/q/what_is_the_distance_between_simferopol%E2%80%99_and_the_black_sea)

You’re desperate liars folks… you and your Putin.

Mar 09, 2014 5:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The strange thing about this is that Obama supports the violent overthrow of a democractically elected president by unelected mobs, but he refuses to accept the right of people to vote on remaining with or leaving the illegal regime that overthrew their president. Russia made a better economic offer of $15 billion without austerity and a new rail link for Ukrainian grain to China that Beijing would likely sweeten with infrastructure to make its new trading partner more prosperous for better Chinese trade in the future.

Crimea is now set to take the offer that Ukraine’s mobs rejected. The grain will go to Kerch, across the Kerch strait by ferry to Kavkaz, and by rail through Russia and Kazakhstan to China. If the Chinese build a two mile bridge across the Kerch Strait and rail lines into Crimea, the grain shipments will move even faster. China’s GDP growth rate of 7.7% in 2013 was four times as big as the US, and people’s first goal when emerging from poverty is more meat that requires more grain for livestock and poultry feed.

The second goal is cars, and China is the world’s biggest car market that sits next to the world’s biggest oil and gas station in Russian Siberia. That helps explain why Russia’s 2013 GDP growth rate was 1.3% compared to the EU’s growth rate of 0.3%. Russia has $500 billion in foreign currency reserves, and China, Russia’s SCO ally, has $3.5 trillion. Russia could have backed up Ukraine’s deal better than the EU that has debts bigger than EU GDP. Russia and China can back up Crimea’s economic development better than the US and EU that both have higher debts than GDPs. The economics and politics favor Russia and China over the EU and US. Not only are the US and EU broke, but they are the liars and criminals in this situation.

Mar 09, 2014 5:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dlob wrote:

Putin is losing the game with the West. Putin is not Russia. He will be out soon. Ukraine is not big concern of US and EU. Removing Putin is.

Mar 09, 2014 5:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Irinac1 wrote:

Open letter of Ukrainian Jews to Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin

To the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

Mr. President!

We are Jewish citizens of Ukraine: businessmen, managers, public figures, scientists and scholars, artists and musicians. We are addressing you on behalf of the multi-national people of Ukraine, Ukraine’s national minorities, and on behalf of the Jewish community.

You have stated that Russia wants to protect the rights of the Russian-speaking citizens of the Crimea and all of Ukraine and that these rights have been trampled by the current Ukrainian government. Historically, Ukrainian Jews are also mostly Russian-speaking. Thus, our opinion on what is happening carries no less weight than the opinion of those who advise and inform you.

We are convinced that you are not easily fooled. This means that you must be consciously picking and choosing lies and slander from the entire body of information on Ukraine. And you know very well that Victor Yanukovich’s statement used to describe the situation after the latest treaty had been signed – “…Kyiv is full of armed people who have begun to ransack buildings, places of worship, and churches. Innocent people are suffering. People are being robbed and killed in the streets…” – is simply a lie, from the first word to the very last.

The Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine are not being humiliated or discriminated against, their civil rights have not been infringed upon. Meanderings about “forced Ukrainization” and “bans on the Russian language” that have been so common in Russian media are on the heads of those who invented them. Your certainty about the growth of anti-Semitism in Ukraine, which you expressed at your press-conference, also does not correspond to the actual facts. Perhaps you got Ukraine confused with Russia, where Jewish organizations have noticed growth in anti-Semitic tendencies last year.

Right now, after Ukraine has survived a difficult political crisis, many of us have wound up on different sides of the barricades. The Jews of Ukraine, as all ethnic groups, are not absolutely unified in their opinion towards what is happening in the country. But we live in a democratic country and can afford a difference of opinion.

They have tried to scare us (and are continuing their attempts) with “Bandera followers” and “Fascists” attempting to wrest away the helm of Ukrainian society, with imminent Jewish pogroms. Yes, we are well aware that the political opposition and the forces of social protests who have secured changes for the better are made up of different groups. They include nationalistic groups, but even the most marginal do not dare show anti-Semitism or other xenophobic behavior. And we certainly know that our very few nationalists are well-controlled by civil society and the new Ukrainian government – which is more than can be said for the Russian neo-Nazis, who are encouraged by your security services.

We have a great mutual understanding with the new government, and a partnership is in the works. There are quite a few national minority representatives in the Cabinet of Ministers: the Minister of Internal Affairs is Armenian, the Vice Prime Minister is a Jew, two ministers are Russian. The newly-appointed governors of Ukraine’s region are also not exclusively Ukrainian.

Unfortunately, we must admit that in recent days stability in our country has been threatened. And this threat is coming from the Russian government, namely – from you personally. It is your policy of inciting separatism and crude pressure placed on Ukraine that threatens us and all Ukrainian people, including those who live in Crimea and the Ukrainian South-East. South-eastern Ukrainians will soon see that for themselves.

Vladimir Vladimirovich, we highly value your concern about the safety and rights of Ukrainian national minorities. But we do not wish to be “defended” by sundering Ukraine and annexing its territory. We decisively call for you not to intervene in internal Ukrainian affairs, to return the Russian armed forces to their normal fixed peacetime location, and to stop encouraging pro-Russian separatism.

Vladimir Vladimirovich, we are quite capable of protecting our rights in a constructive dialogue and in cooperation with the government and civil society of a sovereign, democratic, and united Ukraine. We strongly urge you not to destabilize the situation in our country and to stop your attempts of delegitimizing the new Ukrainian government.

Signed:

Josef Zisels Chairman of the Association of Jewish Communities and Organizations of Ukraine (VAAD) Ukraine, Executive Vice President of the Congress of National Communities of Ukraine

Alexander Suslensky D.Sc., Vice President of the Jewish Confederation of Ukraine, businessman

Andrei Adamovsky First Vice President of the Jewish Confederation of Ukraine, member of the “Hillel” Jewish Student organization Observation Council (citizen of Russia)

Evgen Chervonenko Vice President of the European Jewish Congress, businessman

Rabbi Alex Dukhovny Head Rabbi of the Ukrainian Progressive Judaism communities

Rabbi Reuven Stamov Head Rabbi of the Ukrainian Traditional Judaism communities

Alexander Paskhaver Member of the VAAD Ukraine Coordation Council, economist

Leonid Finberg Director of the NaUKMA Center for the Studies of History and Culture of Eastern European Jewry, VAAD Ukraine Vice Chairman

Anatoliy Podolsky Director of the Ukrainian Center for Holocaust Studies, Vice Chairman of VAAD Ukraine

Igor Kuperberg Chairman of the Zionist Federation of Ukraine, Vice Chairman of VAAD Ukraine

Semen Belman Vice President of the Jewish Council of Ukraine, President of the Chernigiv Jewish Community

Alexander Gaidar Leader of the Union of Ukrainian Progressive Judaism Religious Communities

Vyacheslav Likhachev CNCU Chief expert in monitoring and analysing xenophobia and anti-Semitism, member of the VAAD Ukraine Coordination Council(citizen of Russia and Israel)

Michael Gold Editor-in-chief of the VAAD Ukraine newspaper “Hadashot”

Galina Haraz Engineer (citizen of Ukraine and Israel)

Igor Turov PhD in history, Director of the Jewish Studies Certificate Program of VAAD Ukraine, VAAD Ukraine Presidium member

Diana Gold VAAD Ukraine Presidium member

Alexander Roitburg Artist

Evgen Greben Director of the “Maccabi” Jewish Cultural and Sports Society (Kyiv)

Grigoriy Pickman “B’nei B’rith Leopolis” President

Igor Kerez VAAD Ukraine Trustee Board member, businessman

(Signatures still being collected)

March 4, 2014
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#1 by markus on March 5, 2014 – 6:51 pm

One big problem here – they are not noting down where they live.

All in the West of Ukraine? Well then we are not surprised when they hate Russia.

#2 by zenobiusz on March 5, 2014 – 7:03 pm

Reblogged this on Zenobiusz.

#3 by Sirko on March 6, 2014 – 9:10 am

If you are so interested, find out!

#4 by zenobiusz on March 6, 2014 – 12:22 pm

an excellent letter-thank-you for your Im trying to support of Ukrainians
God beless…

#5 by Evgen Levin on March 5, 2014 – 7:35 pm

Agree and want to join. Evgen Levin, English teacher, Kharkiv, Ukraine.

#6 by luba sadnytzky on March 6, 2014 – 12:50 am

an excellent letter-thank-you for your support of Ukrainians and of your own people and other minorities!

#7 by Orest S. Slupchynskyj on March 6, 2014 – 1:44 am

My wife and I thank you for your letter of compationate support for our and yours Ukraine. Maricka & Orest

#8 by Annie Moyes on March 6, 2014 – 1:59 am

Thank you for helping me understand the truth of what is happening in the Ukraine. We do get news and are pulling for you. Have shared on my FB and Twitter. Good luck and best wishes to all of you.

#9 by real7772013 on March 6, 2014 – 4:46 am

Reblogged this on Euromaidan PR.

#10 by desr on March 6, 2014 – 7:19 am

“Vice President, Chief, Leader, Director”

How about something from real working people, how do they feel? Of course suits have no problem.

This letter is hilariously one sided. “As a king I have no idea why peasants are complaining”. How do people who are help up in the airports so they could not reunite with their families in Crimea feel?

Ask them, not “President Jews”.

#11 by elementul huliganic on March 6, 2014 – 8:09 am

Reblogged this on Karma’s little spanker.

#12 by Umberto Indicci (@UmbertoIndicci) on March 6, 2014 – 1:59 pm

Taking names.

#13 by Merle on March 6, 2014 – 3:36 pm

Thank you for writting this piece. And having the gut to adress Putin in a way noeone else has dared to do yet. It is cultclear and impressiv.

#14 by leapupchek on March 6, 2014 – 4:21 pm

Reblogged this on Pupcheks in Ukraine and commented:
From “Voices of Ukraine”, http://maidantranslations.com/2014/03/05/open-letter-of-ukrainian-jews-to-russian-federation-president-vladimir-putin/

#15 by Нільс on March 7, 2014 – 8:24 am

A very good letter indeed! Ukraine is a beautiful country with lots of good people and opportunities. In my opinion Ukraine deserves an independent prosperous future for its citizens. It is sad that the country is torn apart not by its true citizens but by outside forces. I really hope that the voice of Ukraine will be heard and that its citizens will be allowed to navigate Ukraine into a bright future is so rightfully deserves.

#16 by chris on March 9, 2014 – 12:45 am

Mister PUTIN
Stay firm and strong ! Do not let the INTERNATIONAL MAFIA to destroy your Country the way what they did to former Yugoslawia.I wish you, Mister PUTIN ,good luck .Take care.
chris

#17 by Www.Youtube.com on March 9, 2014 – 4:35 am

A fascinating discussion is worth comment. I do think that you ought to write more
about this subject, it might not be a taboo subject but typically people don’t talk about these subjects.
To the next! All the best!!

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Mar 09, 2014 5:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jetsom wrote:

War is unnecessary, it is mind boggling to actually think that politicians, that are more than likely puppets to someone else, are our own puppeteers, the puppeteers, puppeteer has enough power to announce war on over puppets. We are all puppets in the grand scheme of things. What is happening in Crimea now, proves everything. The people manage hold a revolution to overthrow their puppeteers, but other puppeteers swiftly come in to overthrow the puppets, Russia will eventually enter Kiev to overthrow the puppets. If it isn’t Russia it will be US, if isn’t US it will be EU. EU and US are also puppets controlled by puppeteers who are more than likely controlled by other puppeteers, we live in a corrupt world were we are all victims to war, Famine, Disasters ect. There is no faith, no freedom, no liberty but there is hope, no matter what, there will always be hope even in the darkest hours there will be hope, and when the cry’s of war come may all the puppets of the world show the puppeteers who we are, declare war in the name of our planet, in the name of all the people who have fell victim to war and human greed, for all the men, women and children who have died for an unjust cause, our greed, imperialism, humanity’s worst traits can be traced back to the beginning no matter if you are of no faith or of any faith, no matter what color your skin is or what sexuality your are, we are all humans and we deserve to be equal, we deserve to live in a non-corrupt planet, a planet were there is no borders, a planet were government is run by the people and not puppeteers, a planet were we don’t abuse one another and our own EARTH. We must unite to defeat the puppeteers. There are 7 billion of us the puppeteers represent less than 0.01% yet they still control us. Us brothers and sisters must come together to defeat the evil and the corrupt, because there is hope left in all of us, we must act now before it is too late, before WWIII starts and there is no planet to love and protect. Before the puppeteers abandon us and leave us to die. Before there is so little hope that we cannot prevail. May you read this and act, may you read this and forgive your brothers and sisters for what they have done. May you read this and feel the same love in my heart. May you read this and snip the strings of the puppeteer.

Mar 09, 2014 5:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Prox wrote:

Vehicles and ambulances were brought in by the Russians. If Putin is not going to start a battle, what are the ambulances for? Maybe he is waiting to be sure he will only have to fight Ukrainians and nobody else that is trying to protect them

Mar 09, 2014 6:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Observer1109 wrote:

longtail wrote:

It’s never good when someone shoots at monitors.

The shots were in the air, not at

Mar 09, 2014 6:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
marty70 wrote:

This entire affair is transparent enough to make the U.S and the E.U look entirely foolish.
90% of the comments here are a testimony to that.
Your plan is obvious and again you are foolish not to think so.
We destabilized the Ukraine by use of force which cost an est 5 bill in order to: 1. place a puppet government in power. 2. Loan money and then place Austerity measures, these measures will not be achieved so they will have to sell their assets to us for next to nothing, meaning 3. we would then control Russian gas supply. 4. Contain Russia & 5 add the Ukraine into the E.U.
I’m not happy with this latest goony idea that always back flips on us and the local populations. I suggest you sack all members of this so called “Think tank” and let them re apply in the demolition industry. Seems to be more fitting for them at this point.

Mar 09, 2014 7:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
marty70 wrote:

This entire affair is transparent enough to make the U.S and the E.U look entirely foolish.
90% of the comments here are a testimony to that.
Your plan is obvious and again you are foolish not to think so.
We destabilized the Ukraine by use of force which cost an est 5 bill in order to: 1. place a puppet government in power. 2. Loan money and then place Austerity measures, these measures will not be achieved so they will have to sell their assets to us for next to nothing, meaning 3. we would then control Russian gas supply. 4. Contain Russia & 5 add the Ukraine into the E.U.
I’m not happy with this latest goony idea that always back flips on us and the local populations. I suggest you sack all members of this so called “Think tank” and let them re apply in the demolition industry. Seems to be more fitting for them at this point.

Mar 09, 2014 7:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jingan wrote:

Yanks support antisemitic Bandera movement in Ukraine just in the name of regime change.

Mar 09, 2014 7:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
steve0210 wrote:

“Reuters could have provided its readership with some factual insight”

Asking Reuters to report facts??? That is hilarious. That is the funniest comment.

Mar 09, 2014 8:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
narrabeener01 wrote:

I will say this. Nothing good is going to come out of this, and as a westerner (who I feel has learned his lessons with regard to war), I want NOTHING to do with this whole affair. Nothing! What happens in the Ukraine/Crimea/Russia is their business and if they want to killing each other in mass, then more power to them. I don’t want to see a single western receive so much as a scratch over this whole ordeal, because in all honestly, deep in my heart, I think it’s a waste of time. I say let them have at it. But we Must stay out of it and turn a blind eye for a change. I don’t won’t to read or hear anymore rhetoric from our leaders with regard to this mess. It’s not our problem of we don’t make it our problem. Lets keep our noses out of this one. Not our beef.

Mar 09, 2014 8:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

With Russia so enthusiastically supporting the right of a people to secede from their parent country, I’m sure they also will have no issues with the secession of the Chechens, right … right?

Mar 09, 2014 9:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Clauderized wrote:

Merkel is in charge of the EU side of the scam, of course she would say that.

Mar 09, 2014 9:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JeffHBCA wrote:

Not really sure why the political leaders of the West are so anxious to pick a fight with Putin. I would understand it if I thought that EU or USA were actually willing to take a stand based on principle and pay the price. But the Germans aren’t going to do without Russian natural gas. So the EU is going to do nothing about this situation. And the Americans could repel the Russians but we would have to raise taxes to finance a military intervention. And our oligarchs are strictly chicken hawks. Patriotism ends if it costs them money or costs them blood.So we’re going to do absolutely nothing, too.Maybe we should just hire the Chechens to teach pootypants a lesson. They work on the cheap or so I hear . . .

Mar 09, 2014 9:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Radlib wrote:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gregsatell/2014/03/04/5-important-facts-that-the-western-press-is-getting-terribly-wrong-in-ukraine/

I don’t know if this guy’s take on the reporting on Ukraine is right, but it sure runs counter to the Nazi narrative.

Mar 09, 2014 10:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
yurakm wrote:

Principle of territorial integrity vs. a right of peoples to self-determination. Everybody can select whatever he prefers the given day.

Mar 09, 2014 10:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
texasind wrote:

This would be a good time for Japan to reestablish their claim to the Sakhalin islands. The Russians need to understand that there are consequences to unilateral behavior

Mar 09, 2014 10:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

USA is tired of war and very broke. Until EU gets directly involved at the lead to push Putin back – USA will bark a little and stay out of it.

Mar 09, 2014 10:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Butch_from_PA wrote: “USA is tired of war and very broke.”

Agree on the former, but the latter is a commonplace nonsense.

Russia GDP: $2.553 trillion (2013 est.)
(https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/rs.html)

“Vanguard manages more than $2.4 trillion in U.S. mutual fund assets”
(https://pressroom.vanguard.com/press_release/Vanguard_Expands_Low_Cost_Admiral_Shares_to_Dividend_Appreciation_Index_Fund_12.19.2013.html)

Mar 09, 2014 11:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@JeffHBCA- What does American patriotism have to do with Ukraine? If you want to blame anything, blame ten years of fraudulent warfare, and all the graft and bribery two countries can swallow, for very shallow gains,if any, as the reason for US reluctance now.

Maybe we’re tired of seeing human misery wrapped in all the manufactured lies for a very dubious cause. The “patriotism” card has already been played for all it was worth and it has become worn out, for anyone who doesn’t just like flying flags for ornamental value and an inappropriate feel good lift? The credit crunch that is barely limping back (this is not post WWII USA) may have taught many how little control they had and have over the bigger picture.

@UauS – $2.553 trillion, but how much is accessible to the tax man? Empire building is expensive and for the last ten years they were trying to do it on the cheap and as unobtrusively as possible. This was not WWII and the wars in the ME did not notoriously crimp most American’s personal lifestyle. If they had been they would have been squelched years ago.

Mar 10, 2014 1:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

Reuters – There may be a malfunction on the write in box? A single click of the cursor, e.g. just to correct a typo, can cause the text to be submitted. That never used to happen.

Mar 10, 2014 1:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Aquarius123 wrote:

The revolt and the overthrow of the Ukrainian government is also illegal under Ukrainian Constitution ( why was this left out from the article)? SO the current interim government needs to shut it since its currently illegally in power.

I agree with Nick,Russia will not leave Crimea. Russians will fight for Russians without any hesitation, so NATO is better be prepared for the war with Russia.

Mar 10, 2014 10:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
desertares wrote:

Russia has taken Crimea and it will never be returned. Russia also holds parts of Georgia and Moldova. It would behoove the US and European allies to put ‘monitors’ in crossing areas for the Baltic States that might stop this type of illegal invasion of masked, non-flagged, heavily armed “pro-Russian militias” from seizing disputed areas. Monitors from the EU in the Crimea are useless and in harm’s way, observing an action which has taken place and has no possibility of any other outcome that the one present on the ground.

Mar 10, 2014 12:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
KaziAzizulHuq wrote:

I recommend what Dr. Paul Craig Roberts wrote on Ukraine Crisis:

Americans have not experienced political leadership or an independent media for such a long time that they will be amazed at the straightforward answers from the Russian President …

Putin’s calm leadership, the absence of provocative statements and threats, and his insistence on legality and will of the people stand in stark contrast to the West’s threats and support for violent overthrow of a democratically elected government. ..
Putin knows that Washington in pursuit of world hegemony is driving the world to a dangerous war in which neither side can accept defeat. Thus, nuclear weapons would be unleashed. …

Mar 13, 2014 4:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

Both the USA and Russia live on dreams of greatness and that’s the dangerous part. Both are “maxed out” and neither will be happy to live with less. The whole world is maxed out in one way or another and they know it.

Both powers are very like Manhattan real estate owners who carry large notes on their property, pay very high taxes and maintenance costs, fuel and utility costs and require nearly full occupancy all the time, or the profitability of their investments vanishes quickly.
When that happens, they can either sell of walk away and abandon the buildings, South Bronx style. The real estate crunch was a kind of adjustment of “rent control” but that would take more explaining than will fit here. It’s a thin analogy.

Countries can’t sell the premises and they can’t evict their tenants or easily replace them to pay higher bills. But they can kill off their surplus population, especially the male surplus or they can destroy the other’s guy means of livelihood to attempt to preserve their standards of living. The “princesses” used to have special status in the old days but not anymore, or at least the status is a bit out of date. Modern warfare – long, protracted and aimed mostly at the civilians, is all you really need to notice about the priorities of modern war. War in the 20th century kills far more civilians (man women and children) than military personnel because it is about crippling entire machines of production and the supporting civil structure. It is really every bit as savage and indiscriminate as war during the years of the Roman empire. And now – with drones – it can all be done with remote control. The Romans fought for their skins. We fight for what the skins use. They were infinitely more noble, actually.

The necessity of continuing the species could very well be carried on by surrogate mothers and test tubes, as long as there is sufficient infrastructure and the power doesn’t fail. That’s a stretch to suggest, I know. And historic practice also suggests that an important resource – a womb with a view – was guarded and controlled.
This might sound like the talk of a cave man but he was our ancestor and one can;t quite forget him without forgetting many other things about being human. We will never be digital, not entirely anyway.

Every country on earth needs power and command of enormous resources – massive amounts of it all now. Putin knows that. The trouble is, political discussion is something very well controlled and edited and doesn’t allow one to discuss these matters easily without being branded by some convenient label or another. Political correctness is always too polite for the facts but the facts are incendiary in their own right. It’s so much more bearable to be polite and not ruffle feathers or get backs arched.

The only way the developed and developing countries can do that will be to be less and that means many of us will have to leave to fit the new circumstances. Many would prefer that most of us leave. It leaves more for them. So many want massive warfare as an instinctive response and see the UN as a bit to fine, too removed or too theoretical to really cope with the facts of life. They get short (popular) shrift and they have intractable difficulties that the next war could easily wipe off the table, if not remove form the face of the earth.

How many will have to depart to fit the shrunken circumstances?

@Irinac1 – that letter would be so much more believable if it weren’t for the fact that for the last 50 years Israel has had it’s head up its own backside and has behaved in a way not even the Third Reich succeeded at. You can be a gut stuffing, selfish,little bully as long as you are in thrall to – or they to you- and have really good PR. The last ten plus years has been a real eye opener.

Just stay where you are because there may be no Israel if all hell breaks loose. An article in Foreign affairs Journal almost 30 years ago warned that Russia – nuclear armed. weakened and loosing population could be a very unstable country and could easily use nuclear weapons as an almost Massada like act of final exit. Or rather “we’ll take out as many of them as we can before we fall too. That goes better with the machismo Putin is selling. Tough, formerly poor kids aren’t into self sacrifice for the sake of religious principal are they? They are not into slitting their own throats rather than surrender to slavery poor even second class status.

There’s a phrase from a dubious movie with a nice dance routine by Justin Timberlake and the Rockette Marylyns: “Pimps don’t commit suicide, they get other people to commit suicide” The world is stuffed with pimps causing other people to commit suicide.

Suicide bombers are the admission, heck, they’re the self destructing monuments, to the truth of that statement. And you have to have a head full of meat not to appreciate how desperate that act is and what it means for the future.

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