Crimeans vote over 90 percent to quit Ukraine for Russia

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boltshaker wrote:

Obama says that there will be severe consequences for Putin and Russia! One word for Obama ….. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Mar 16, 2014 7:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Certainly, the president will have an executive order for that.

Mar 16, 2014 8:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nose2066 wrote:

Maybe the government in Washington is worried that the Hispanics in California will vote to rejoin Mexico???

Better they should worry about why so many married people get divorced and never vote to rejoin their former spouses?

Mar 16, 2014 8:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
behave wrote:

“Voters have two options to choose from – but both imply Russian control of the peninsula.”

You certainly know this is not rue. Why do you distribute FALSE informations? The second option is an autonomy within Ukraine.

Shame on you,!

Mar 16, 2014 8:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse

1.Putin is officially a bad-guy.

2. Who is going to stop him?

3. Who is going to punish Putin/Russia – without Putin inflicting far greater damage on them.

4. How does anyone take a swipe at Putin, without first hitting Ukraine?

5. Ukraine is bankrupt; only Putin is a viable “savior” for Ukraine.

6. Giving Putin any excuse for revenge is a REALLY bad idea. You don’t fight an octopus one-tentacle-at-a-time.

Mar 16, 2014 8:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Vuenbelvue wrote:

Arizona voters should wake up and vote nutty McCain out of office. Isn’t there a protocol that a Senator of a opposite party than occupies the White House make or sets himself up to make “Public Policy” in a Foreign country? Why isn’t he arrested? The US supports enough broke countries with despot leaders around the globe and doesn’t need to go into the “Sphere of Russian” influence to find more. McCain suggests long term US military bases in the Ukraine when not many have confidence in the last 20 years of Pentagon leadership.

Mar 16, 2014 8:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UrDrighten wrote:

I suppose that if you dismiss the ethnic Russians’ right to determine their own sovereignty and their right to freedom of association, and the obvious efforts by the West to weaken Russia by aligning Ukraine with the European Union and then allowing the International Monetary Fund to predate the Ukrainians, you would have to say that this “crisis” is largely being caused by Putin’s refusal to recognize Obama’s right to unilaterally determine the Ukrainians’ political and economic affiliations.

The more Western politicians whine about “sanctions”, the more they reveal the impotence of their foreign policies.

It’s becoming laughable to listen to Western leaders rattling their ball point pens…

Mar 16, 2014 9:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

@SKYDRIFTER – whilst being incorrect in many ways, your questions would be equally valid about Hitler and the Sudetenland.

It doesn’t mean you don’t stop him though; be that either Putin or Hitler.

The US or Britain could bring sanctions against Russia, which would hurt Russia far more than it would themselves incidentally.

Russia’s greatest economic weapon is its gas supplies. The US has zero reliance on Russia for that, and Britain takes only 1% of its supply from Russia – cutting supply to either would have negligible effect.

The current situation is already hitting Russia’s economy hard, even without sanctions. Pretty much every country going would be less affected by any sanctions than Russia would, with its flimsy economy.

Mar 16, 2014 10:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

@UrDrighten – so everything is a big Western conspiracy in Ukraine then?

Spoken like a true Kremlin web-bot apologist.

Hasn’t the thought crossed your mind that people would naturally want to get away from a corrupt, bullying neighbor; just as Poland, The Czech Republic, Latvia et al have done at the first opportunity?

Or is a gangster state like Russia really the best blueprint for a modern country, and anyone who says any different deserves to be rounded up and shipped to Siberia?

Mar 16, 2014 10:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Elizabeth5250 wrote:

Hey do not forget he told the Ykrainian President WE and the WEST have YOUR back,


Mar 16, 2014 10:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

“Crimeans vote on union with Russia as troops build up rapidly.” The west is supposed to protect Ukraine since they disbanded their nukes. Where is the protection? Even a WMD-hunting game involved troops on the ground, how can a “protection” be carried out only by (threat of) sanctions? Should the vote be expanded beyond Crimea?

Mar 16, 2014 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

It seems as if the overthrow of the govt. in the Ukraine recently was orchestrated or aided by the West. Not sure, but if that is the case Odumbo and his puppet Kerry are once again showing their incredible hypocrisy. You are an international joke Obama.

Mar 16, 2014 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

bye , bye Crimea…hope you get what you want, under Putinsm..terrific failure for Obama, Kerry and EU…Putinism has succeeded…Putin made all the rest of you, look like amateurs…

Mar 16, 2014 12:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EconCassandra wrote:

Historically, Crimea is NOT Ukrainian land, but Russian.

Mar 16, 2014 12:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

This conflict in Ukraine and the Syrian war is linked.

More than anything about this Ukraine fiasco, Washington wanted to evict Russia from its black sea military base by arousing ultra nationalist groups which hate Russia. It wanted same thing -evict Russia from its Tartus base in Syria- by instigating a bloody conflict using Islamic radical suicide bombers beheaders and Blackwater/Xi/Academi mercenaries.

Washingtom maintains close to 800 military bases across the globe but can’t live with Russia having 2 bases giving it access to the international waters(mainly to mediterranean sea.)

So Washington is willing to start a nuclear war just to evict Russia from territories that are not part of the US union.

Syria for instance has maintained strategic relations with Russia for more than 40 years. And during the whole time Syria has had no meaningful contact with the US but the US still wants to go into Syria, kill all Syrians who do not agree with its ME policies, install radical islamists in power, and evict Russia from its Syrian base in Tartus.

Mar 16, 2014 12:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SumanV wrote:

If Russia is allowed to have its way, it will be the death knell of democracy as it is known today. It will seriously and irrevocably affect the sovereignty of every nation. Parts of every nation, including in the USA, are very much unhappy with the progress it has made and disgruntled and selfish elements can always drum up a majority to secede. European countries should speak and ACT in unison with the USA in containing Russia FAST.

Mar 16, 2014 1:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hohohohoho wrote:

That’s it folks. People of Crimea have reasserted their democratic rights. It is high time for people of EU and US do the same.

Mar 16, 2014 1:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
westernshame wrote:

“…. whose new rulers want to move the country towards the European Union and away from Russia’s sway.”

these people are not the “new” rulers, they are the unelected, self appointed, temporary interim government. they do not speak for the people of Ukraine and the only thing they should be working on is preparing for elections, not working out financial deals and pacts.

Mar 16, 2014 2:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:


Excellent post!

The engineered “revolutions” in Ukraine and Syria are indeed the two most prominent examples of Washington’s obsession with degrading Russia’s geopolitical clout.

Russian clout is opposed by two nearly all-powerful Western political minorities: The one represented by AIPAC and the one representing the banking and big-business cartels.

The first seeks Middle East hegemony and the destruction of nascent regional powers such as Iran. The latter seeks to extend its control over East European natural resources and populations – ultimately, the biggest ones of all, those of Russia.

This is no conspiracy theory, and I have no ideological dog in this fight. I merely want to understand (to the best of my abilities) how the world works.

But the fact remains that American “democracy” is what is has always been: The tool of powerful, well-organized, financially well-heeled minorities. This was brilliantly pointed out by H.L. Mencken in his superb book “Notes on Democracy.” And it remains true to this day.

Mar 16, 2014 2:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
zeddd wrote:

“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything”…Joseph Stalin

Mar 16, 2014 2:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

BTW assertion that tatars ‘boycotte vote’ was false – it’s only “mejlis” – one of 3 Crimean Tatar organizations, least popular and most radical with links to wakhhabi terrorists- who called for boycotte.
Leaders of civil groups told tatars to “Go and cast your votes as we are NOT self-isolating minority but integral and unalienable part of Crimean people”(quote)

Mar 16, 2014 2:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
f00 wrote:

Looks like lefty statists have found something to fear in the Slavic version of state’s rights.

Come on, “diversity” should mean respect for local ways, right? Well, as long as those yokels are hip and modern and LGBTQ-friendly, it does.

The New Cold War, something liberals can love.

Mar 16, 2014 2:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse wrote:

It is more than any holiday.

Mar 16, 2014 2:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seren37 wrote:

The Crimean election is today as mad dog Kerry continues with his insane threats and bluster, bent on wrecking the world economy. This bum is no diplomat and should go back to boxing. Putin sounds sane next to Kerry. Lord knows how the Democratic party picked that dislikable bozo to run for President. He was a loser from the start.

The neocon behavior of the press has been disgusting with it’s endless “takeovers” and “invasions,” while totally ignoring a large part of the truth – reminiscent of their complicity in the lies that got us into Iraq. But here is the analogy the great NY Times and Washington Post are missing.

What if China poured five billion dollars (as we did in Ukraine) into Quebec, to sponsor a revolution by violent communist elements? And it succeeded. I think we’d be a bit upset. That’s what we’ve done to Russia, so of course they’re upset, and trying to protect the predominantly Russian Crimeans from the thugs in the Ukraine, who have raised “kill Russians” signs, and actually killed a lot of people, some with trained snipers. The Russian government has killed no one in Crimea. Then the US just flew into the Ukraine and absconded with all their gold. Who is the bad guy, here? But since we are into Zero Diplomacy, to heck with that. Let’s back them into a corner and go to economic war which will backfire on our middle class as China and Russia dump the dollar.

But of course, this is all about money, not our love of “freedom.” It’s about oil, gas, wheat, minerals, natural resources, cheap labor, and the access to more from the surrounding region. The IMF and Wall Street Banksters lust to barge into the Ukraine with “loans” that can never be repaid, followed by “privatization” and “austerity.” This has been the goal all the long – when you hear the cry in the press, to “free” someone, follow the money. The banksters have already raped most of the world, including our own middle class, so now they look to the East. We’ve deposed at least five democratic governments when they stood in the way of corporate profits. That included a peaceful, elected government in Iran, when it stood in the way of BP’s profits. (BP sure paid us back for that favor, and has now re-secured the right to drill in the gulf.) We also created Al Quada.

We whine about “enemies” and the media goes along, when our moronic government creates most of them. As for “threats,” we have 900 overseas military bases, more than the entire rest of the world, and have been at war almost continuously, with troops fighting somewhere, since WWII. We have been responsible for millions of deaths, many in the total lie that was Iraq. The world rightly see us as the threat much more than Russians or terrorists. But you won’t see that in the Western press. You’ll see lies and exaggerations to get us all hot for war or for its substitute, overt or economic bullying.

Mar 16, 2014 3:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Vitaly wrote:

For those who don’t know,
The number of Russian troops in the Crimea may be raised to 25 thousand personal sostava legal,contractual basis.
But this is not neobhodimosti voted for Russia!
And de facto and de jure!
But criticism,Russia expects nothing. But the events in Donetsk,Kharkiv and other cities of Eastern Ukraine. They want to join Russia. At least Federation.
To say that Europe and the US?

Mar 16, 2014 3:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seren37 wrote:

Hmm, I keep hearing Russia is a gangster state. What nation caused the Global Economic Collapse and has proudly proclaimed it will never, ever prosecute its Banksters? I’ll give you a hint – that came out of Eric Holder’s rotten mouth.

Mar 16, 2014 3:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nikos_Retsos wrote:

Now we have to wait for the Ukrainian elections and see what % of the vote the protester’s interim government would get. Ousting Yanukovich was the easy part for the interim pro-Western rulers of Ukraine, but as the U.S. and Europe say that the Crimean referendum would cost Russia unless Russia bends to the West’s demands, the focus would shift what % of the Ukrainian electorate would support the the current West-oriented interim leaders, and what would cost Ukraine the Russian sanctions or reprisals.

Ukrainians are divided on whether their country should be detached from Russia and attached to Europe. And the referendum in Crimea certainly reminds them of other dangers not foreseen so far that might lie ahead if they push hard for a complete break from Russia. Nikos Retsos, retired professor

Mar 16, 2014 3:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
grazor50 wrote:

“The ground will burn under their feet,” states the PM of the UKRAINE after talks with OBAMA. I see pics of little ole ladies that are not afraid to vote with all of the Russian guns around. The USA had more problems that were ignored by the OBAMA administration when the voting polls were surrounded by thugs with batons, scaring off voters, but this was deemed acceptable. It was the will of the people that live there. From accounts 80% – 85% voted and I saw NO force,, they voted,, get over it, they live with it,,,, we live with our problems everyday under OBAMA rule!

Mar 16, 2014 3:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
crod526 wrote:

93% LOL gotta love those commie votes

Mar 16, 2014 3:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Vitaly wrote:

Who do you lie?! Crimea voted with pleasure for Russia! You do not understand!

Mar 16, 2014 3:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

John McCain should go to Crimea and support the will of the people. And give them snacks and cookies…..

Mar 16, 2014 4:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The vote has not yet been completed, but the economics favor union with Russia. Ukraine cannot pay the debts it has. Putin’s offer of $15 billion, no austerity, lower gas prices, and a new rail link to China to sell Ukrainian grain for repayment would have offered recovery with much less pain. China usually offers infrastructure to improve trading partners for future trade. The total EU offer of $20.6 billion returns Russian gas prices to normal levels, imposes austerity, and has no rail link to China for repayment and possible infrastructure improvements. The probable outcome is that Ukraine will remain an economic basket case to drag down the US and EU.

The EU has debts higher than their GDPs and had 0.3% GDP growth in 2013. Russia has $500 billion in foreign currency reserves, had a 2013 GDP growth of 1.3%, sells the EU 40% of its gas, has the world’s biggest oil and gas station in Russian Siberia that sits next door to the world’s biggest car market that has $3.5 trillion in foreign currency reserves. China has a $1.7 trillion 5 year plan to fight pollution and could use Russian gas to replace some coal plants to reach its pollution goals. Finally, global warming melts Siberia’s tundra for more livestock, agriculture, poultry, timber, aquaculture, oil, gas, and industry, so western industrial and car pollution will help Russia return to super power status.

A growing element in the US economy is buying petroleum at $100 per 55 gallon barrel or $1.82 per gallon, refining it into gasoline, diesel, transmission fluid, and other petrochemical products that can bring $4 to $10 per gallon or profits of 100% to 400%. Russia can do the same with oil sent to Russian or Chinese refineries to refine fuels and fluids to compete with US products at lower prices. This will reduce US GDP and raise GDPs for Russia and China.

I see no way for the US and EU to win a sanctions war against Russia and China.

Mar 16, 2014 4:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kafantaris wrote:

“The ground will burn under their feet?”
Whoa, Arseny Yatseniuk. Take it easy.
We’re not on board for anything like that.
Say, Arseny, wasn’t that you who eliminated Russian as a second language of Ukraine right after you took power?

Mar 16, 2014 4:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

Russians voting to stay Russian.

Why is anybody surprised at the 93% turnout?

Even semi-official bastions of the American political establishment such as the New York Times declared that Crimeans would choose overwhelmingly to go with Russia.

Anybody who reads history — which apparently, and unfortunately, are too few at the American State Department — would know that Crimea is at the very heart of immemorial Russian civilization.

Mar 16, 2014 4:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kahnie wrote:

Do your think for one minute that the vote was going any other way? No chance. Except for the years that Nikita Khrushchev had the Crimea as part of the Ukraine S.S.R. (he was a native Ukrainian) has Crimea been part of another entity since Catherine II took the Crimea from the Muslims who had their allegiance to the Ottomans. Her lover/husband? Potemkin was the Governor. Even Peter the Great tried to wrest the Crimea from the Ottomans. The Russians have the Black Sea Fleet there. The majority are ethnic Great Russians. The United States government took back the Confederacy in a bloody war. It was United States from 1777. Crimea has been Russian since 1790 (thereabouts).

Mar 16, 2014 5:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CDN_Rebel wrote:

93% Not even the Islamic dictatorships claim 93% in their mock-elections… this is a new low even for Putin’s Russia.

Mar 16, 2014 5:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnPombrio wrote:

Getting 95% of people to agree on ANYTHING is close to impossible. No way do I believe these numbers.

Interesting fact. Crimea has NO roads that connect directly to Russia. All foot, car, and rail traffic have to go through Ukraine or settle on taking a ferry to a point far to the east of any major cites.

Mar 16, 2014 5:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

Pictures of the voters show faces of great happiness. If the numbers are correct, most Ukrainians and Tatars also reject the Nazi Government in Kiev.

Mar 16, 2014 5:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

who cares if the USA doesn’t recognize the vote. the USA is in moral, cultural and economic decline and they have no one to blame but who’s looking back at them in the mirror. congress approval ratings at 12%, the white house is occupied by probably the most ineffective, incompetent president to ever hold office. $17 trillion in debt and counting. empty threats from obama who couldn’t play chess with putin let alone spar on the world stage.

Mar 16, 2014 5:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seren37 wrote:

95% of Crimean vote to leave the Ukranian Nazis. Of course, we are against a free, democratic vote when it goes against the interest of the Banksters who wanted to rape the Ukraine. Now we are whining the vote was flawed. If you want to see a really flawed vote, try Bush in 2000. 95% isn’t even close. We need to mend our own shattered economy and destroyed middle class, and just butt out.

Mar 16, 2014 5:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Trichiurus wrote:

I hope they enjoy “Putinism”. To the rest of Europe: watch your backs.

Mar 16, 2014 5:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CKU wrote:

if the ultra-pro-EU Ukrainian minority got to topple their leader and take over the parliament (instead of waiting for the next season and vote), and form an illegal government that America recognizes, why should the Crimeans be restricted in doing what they want and not be recognized?
Sure, it breaks their rules, but either way of doing things is illegal, and if one side gets to be illegal why not the other?

One gets what one sows, I guess.

Mar 16, 2014 5:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Schmeckena wrote:

The people have spoken ? When LBJ ran for senate the votes came in in alphabetical order. In Chicago were we vote early and often I would want to be buried in cook county so I can stay active in politics. One must remember what happen in Iran were the people elected a president because he would not play ball with British and American oil companies the CIA and M16 got rid of him .

Mar 16, 2014 6:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:


I suppose you would have been fine with the south seceding from the union then. You don’t get to vote to leave your country.

Mar 16, 2014 6:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UrDrighten wrote:

Quote: “This referendum is contrary to Ukraine’s constitution,” a White House spokesman said. “The international community will not recognize the results of a poll administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law.”

As opposed to the international community recognizing the “free and uncoerced” election of CIA contractor Hamid Karzai while tens of thousands of US troops just happened to be hanging around in Afghanistan…

Would somebody on Obama’s staff cite the paragraph in the Ukrainian constitution that authorizes an armed rebellion to lawfully depose its president and opposition party members in their parliament? I’d really like to read it for myself!

Mar 16, 2014 6:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

“This referendum is contrary to Ukraine’s constitution,” a White House spokesman said. “The international community will not recognize the results of a poll administered under threats of violence and intimidation from a Russian military intervention that violates international law.”

First, just about everything the Obama administration has done for the last 5 years has been against the United States Constitution, but obviously the “White House spokesman” wouldn’t want to talk about that.

Second, I’m sure Putin will really be shaking in his shoes thinking that “The international community will not recognize the results of a poll”.

The United States has become the joke of the world under Obama and nobody pays attention or gives credibility to anything he says.

Mar 16, 2014 6:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
f00 wrote:

If you don’t have the right to vote your way out of “your” country, then it isn’t your country. Which, you know, is a good reason to leave in the first place.

Mar 16, 2014 6:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
evoltan wrote:

The gullible sheep of this world need to see Western propaganda for what it is. I might even disagree with Putin’s methods; however, I do agree with his motives. If Russia or China was in a defense alliance and decided to ring the US or a European country with its allies, even by resorting to nefarious and naked instigation, vis-a-vis what happened in Ukraine or Georgia, how would they respond? Russia in my eyes had no choice. Ukraine would be better off finding its own way, rather than be dictated to by the Western powers.

Mar 16, 2014 6:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Chad72 wrote:

Given that Crimea for most of the last 400 yrs was under Russian control, could’ve lived with an honest vote of secession/annexation in 6 months to a year. But to not even make the effort to fake a legitimate vote, I can’t even begin to think of a vote that was this rigged from the beginning outside of Iran. Would be funny if assets seized under sanctions went to help Ukraine straighten itself out financially. Lets hope that the next week sees the end of this though I’m doubtful.

Mar 16, 2014 6:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BanglaFirst wrote:

It’s typical of commies writing the results just as its cronies do in Syria,Egypt,Azerbaijan etc. Do not trust these stinking commies and apply all sanction on them as they do not deserve to be part of the civilized world.

Mar 16, 2014 7:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beech wrote:

Why should we, the US, become involved-leave Russia alone. Historically, those involved in battle with Russia have lost in a big way. The US is like a person who, instead of recognizing his own faults and working to correct them, constantly looks for external situations and events to avoid this responsibility.

Mar 16, 2014 7:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:


What civilized world are you talking about?

Is it by any chance the one where a military super-power shredded around 1,000,000 men, women and children during its shock-and-awe bombings in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Or is it the one where an entire country (Greece) has been utterly destroyed so that the Western banking cartels can turn a quick buck? Ravenous vampires would have been kinder to the Greeks.

What civilized world are you talking about?

Mar 16, 2014 7:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DH.Barr wrote:

Kim Jong Un got 100% of the vote in N. Korea – and it has about the same legitimacy that this vote does.

Mar 16, 2014 7:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
elsewhere wrote:

Illegal Russian residents voted to join Russia just as the majority of voters in California would vote to join Mexico if everyone in California could vote in an election. Both would be improper elections.

Mar 16, 2014 7:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
f00 wrote:

John McCain has called Russia “a gas station masquerading as a country.”

Serious Talmudic-level vitriol there. Truth-in-labeling laws would seem to require a Ⓚ to be displayed prominently on this doddering old fool’s forehead.

Mar 16, 2014 7:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

“Without Ukrainian government”- what is Ukrainian government, it is barely legal, Russia is right not to maintain any contacts with them.

The “acting” president- he is a criminal self-impostor, there is lawful President of Ukraine that hasn’t been removed from power because Ukrainian Parliament didn’t have enough votes.

Why Russians or Crimeans should even consider level themselves with illegitimate gang of Nazis in Kiev?

Banks are robed at broadlight, people are killed and tortured, MPs intimidated- is this kind of democracy that is suitable for Ukraine?

Mar 16, 2014 7:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnPombrio wrote:

Wow. There has been a LOT of pro-Russian posts in story comments lately. Also, a lot of Nazi references, which I think is unusual coming from folks from the US (but not from Russia). I have a feeling that the US news stories are getting bombed from overseas propaganda sources. I picked out one user name and found that evoltan has had only 5 comments here, all about Crimea and Ukraine, and all for Russian intervention.
Russian propaganda used to influence western news sites. Good luck there, Putin!

Mar 16, 2014 7:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

John McCain, the whiny carping Senator from AZ, is a world-class sore loser. He lost his battle to keep MLK Day from becoming a national holiday; then, he lost the presidential election in 2008, ironically, to a black man… that loss has stuck in the old geezer’s craw… he loathes President Obama.

Presidential losers should be ineligible to hold elected office, until the presidential victor is no longer president.

Mar 16, 2014 7:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bryanric wrote:

The “Election” was a joke. They had two choices, join with Russia NOW or join Russia LATER. Everyone should ignore the outcome.

Mar 16, 2014 7:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

Gotta love the fact that so many of you are throwing the word commie around, but what do you say about Obama’s appointment of czars/cabinet members in his administration that are connected to or have ties to the communist party, or are communist? Does that not upset you? Why not? and lots of others if you do a search.

Mar 16, 2014 7:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

to new_york_loner. Guess you conveniently forget that Reid and Byrd were both hard core racists in the past. Oh, sorry, I forgot, that’s part of the liberal hypocrisy that only libs can “evolve” or change. You seem like a jerk.

Mar 16, 2014 8:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seafloor wrote:

Crimea has never had an indigenous population. The Tartars should make the best out of it.

Mar 16, 2014 8:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
boreal wrote:

‘…..In Kiev, Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk threatened dire consequences for the Crimean politicians who had called the vote……

…..”We will find all of them – if it takes one year, two years – and bring them to justice and try them in Ukrainian and international courts. The ground will burn under their feet,” he told a cabinet meeting…..’

It’s simply amazing! Isn’t the present Kiev government – even if they wrap themselves in democracy, free speech and the sanctity of motherhood itself – they are still an unelected, opportunistic power grabbing, illegal puppet bunch, someone else’s go boys?

Mar 16, 2014 8:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
boreal wrote:

‘…..In Kiev, Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk threatened dire consequences for the Crimean politicians who had called the vote……

…..”We will find all of them – if it takes one year, two years – and bring them to justice and try them in Ukrainian and international courts. The ground will burn under their feet,” he told a cabinet meeting…..’

It’s simply amazing! Isn’t the present Kiev government – even if they wrap themselves in democracy, free speech and the sanctity of motherhood itself – they are still an unelected, opportunistic power grabbing, illegal puppet bunch, someone else’s go boys?

Mar 16, 2014 8:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bigsurleo wrote:

Interesting. So the u.s. recognizes the legitimacy of a self appointed government recently formed after the armed overthrow of the previous government, and yet will not recognize a vote by citizens in that territory who vote overwhelmingly to repatriate.

So maybe you can act less surprised next time the citizens of america call out our b.s. “staunch support for democracy abroad” for the rhetoric that it is. This has everything to do with the U.S. trying to create an export market for natgas in europe or at the very least control the flow of gas through Ukraine and demonstrates that the current us/uk led international business community is still undermining Russia in an extension of the cold war. The Georgia/Osetia conflict had similar pretense for a recent example.

Mar 16, 2014 8:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mils54 wrote:

What a supprise!….To those advocating the U.S putting bases in Ukraine….Not going to happen!, Russia would all out invade at the first hint, The Europeans have to take the lead on this one. If the U.S does want to stick it in Russias craw, Attacking Syria over their lacking effort to destroy their chemical weapons would ruffle the Russians feathers…..But to be honest i don’t want my Son’s or Daughters to fight for either cause, Let someone else be the policeman of the world for awhile!.

Mar 16, 2014 8:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bigsurleo wrote:

anyway @ jackherer at least they got to “vote” what do you think all of the U.S. proxies think of how many choices they have. Lets see, either we can be an ally of the biggest most dangerous military on the planet or risk being branded as the enemy. oh and by the way they do hook up the dictator and his family/friends as well as assassinate or rendition his enemies so that sounds like a good deal for the populace right? Think the Philippines, Jordan, Iraq, Nicaragua, Chile, Haiti, Turkey, Bahrain, Egypt, Libya, shall I continue? Oh and the ones listed above that are considered democracies history will tell you that labeling something as a democracy does not make it so. Just look at the Democratic peoples republic of the Congo or Korea. Hell, South Africa considered itself a democracy right through apartheid so that should tell you how much that means.

Mar 16, 2014 9:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
nickir wrote:

You do feel sorry for the poor (in every sense) Crimeans. Choosing between one failed state and another.

Mar 16, 2014 9:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hpbish wrote:

Aw shucks, the old paper ballots.
The neo-Bolsheviks(Nuland and Co.) couldn’t get their Diebold electronic voting machines in there in time.
Otherwise the vote would have been, well, what else? 51% no – 49% yes
Right on schedule..

Mar 16, 2014 9:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
m2grs wrote:

Sometimes you need to know your limits and cut some slack. Obama could have conceded Crimea to Putin early on and ask for something in return, such as $15B aid to the Ukraine, corporation on Iran nuclear weapons, and even Syria. Putin would have been grateful and honor the commitment.

Now he is cornered. He once again drew the red line that he cannot defend. The bottom line is that he listened too much to the boneheads like John McCain, whose foreign policy “insights” led to nothing but one disaster after another.

Sanctions won’t work. You can’t sanction Russia for 20 years. The land and people of Crimea certainly worth a lot more. It’s simple common sense. Plus Russia has UN veto power. So there won’t be any UN sanction to begin with. If Western Europe wants to sanction, go ahead. Russia has other partners to trade with, like China and Eastern Europe.

Mar 16, 2014 10:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RandomName2nd wrote:

So our glorious western governments accept an extremist party that takes over with a violent coup in the Ukraine, yet threaten sanctions against Russia for holding an election in Crimea?
Gee, should I act all surprised when it comes to light that the west was behind the coup?
Pssst, government lackeys behind the coup…Putin has access to all your shenanigans via Snowden. He knew you were coming. He’s making you look like the pathetic, hypocritical buffoons that you are. You can fool some people some of the time though judging by some of the comments on here.

Mar 16, 2014 10:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

“Choosing between one failed state and another.”

Watching too much Faux news and CNN would make one believe Russia is a failed state. You can’t be a top military power and a top challenger to the biggest military power and be a failed state. You can’t be among top 10 economies out of 193 countries and be a failed state. You can’t generate 2.5 Trillion in economic output with low debt level and be a failed state.

Russia and China are trending up while the West is trending down in terms of economic power. This makes Western countries nervous and partly explains why they are overreacting.

Mar 16, 2014 10:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MarkDonners wrote:

This is called “democracy” Americans, something you know literally NOTHING about. You know a lot about corporate police state slavery and MASS MURDERING ILLEGAL INVASIONS, but as far as Ukraine is concerned, sorry US and your partners in crime in NATO, you LOSE. Crimea river.

Mar 16, 2014 10:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

It’s as simple as “Might makes right.”

As far as Crimea goes, if Puerto Rico was voted in as the 51st state of the USA, would it do any good for international communities to “not recognize” the new ‘state’ government? Essentially, “Crimea” is that simple. Once finalized, Crimea will be another Russian “subject,” as Russia terms such states.

In the background of the “Ukraine Crisis,” Obama and the Gang helped the Ukraine “opposition” overthrow the legitimately elected Ukraine government; AND Obama got busted by Putin, in the process. (See the entire transcript of diplomat Victoria Nuland’s “F… the EU” intercepted cell phone call for details.)

While that “tiny little detail” may not be well known by the global public; the ‘involved’ countries leadership is keenly aware. That puts “history” on the line – which works against Obama and the Gang.

So now, what is Obama going to do; try to fire up “Cold War II?” It really doesn’t matter if the “Western” media/propaganda sounds better than Russia’s. Neither the U.S. nor the Western European countries have as much as just the money to do that. And, the EU countries have major economic and political incentives to “… make nice” with Putin.

It’s clear that the USA has no significant interest in the “Ukraine Crisis;” and that the U.S. is not the “globocop” that we used to be – Ukraine is a matter for the EU and the UN.

However, Obama and the Gang (including Hillary) are devotees to the “Globalists;” aka, “New World Order.” But, in their most powerful moment in this “Uraine Crisis,” Obama and the Gang have limited political “reach.” The survival and welfare of the EU will have priority.

Some of the EU countries are in far less financial distress, than Ukraine; those EU countries now begging for financial help. If any disenchanted country withdraws from the EU; there is the risk of a major “EU Crisis.” Thus, Putin could conceivably also “influence” the survival of the EU.

Very soon, Putin will probably build a couple of railroad bridges between Russia and Eastern Crimea; and the game will pick up from there. There might also be a ‘bypass’ gas pipeline built; eliminating Russia’s “need” for the Russian gas pipeline segment running through Ukraine, to the EU countries.

The Ukraine citizens/soldiers, now in Crimea, will soon be given the option of taking up Russian citizenship; the rest will be transported to the new Ukraine-Russian border. Then, “Ukraine – Phase Two” begins.

Possibly, there will be a sub-crisis over the acclaimed Russian interests in East Ukraine. In any case, Putin will quickly be dealing with the members of what he sees as the “Ukraine coup.”

So far, almost amazingly, Putin hasn’t opened fire on anyone. At this point, Putin might be very resistant to firing in self-defense; if such could justifiably be avoided. Like it or not, Putin is getting a lot of respect for the non-violence, thus far.

But, alas Ukraine! Currently, Ukraine is bankrupt and highly “unstable.” There is no “Western” entity willing to bail out Ukraine, until a lot of major things change; with Putin able to control the necessary “stability, which the Western financial institutions both demand; and NEED. In the meantime, for every “slap” at Putin, Putin will at least be ABLE to deliver a solid punch; first glancing off Ukraine.

Ukraine is on the verge of being told that despite admirable good intentions, a Western bailout isn’t in the cards – leaving only Putin as being both willing and able to come to Ukraine’s rescue; but obviously on his terms. If the Ukraine “negotiations” drag on until winter; Ukraine’s decisions are assured to be made in very cold meeting rooms.

Assuming that Putin achieves a “Ukraine Victory,” the world will be asking for details as to “… what went wrong;” and what the fate of Ukraine means to the entire world. More importantly, the world will be asking what the USA now means to the entire world.

The “Western” leaders/allies are stuck with facing the story of “The Wizard of Oz.” EU economic investments in Russia aside, the EU is too frail to stir up too much trouble. If the EU fails, NATO is going to have obvious major problems, in consequence.

There also remains the distinct possibility that, far too soon, both Iraq and Afghanistan will collapse to al Qaeda and the Taliban. The “West” may become seen as the impotent “… man behind the curtain;” as far as Putin and the whole world is concerned.

Then, what?

Obama and the Gang can’t win against Putin on “Ukraine;” but, they can make things far worse than they already have. There is no more “… fighting the good fight;” there is only damage control, from this point onward. If it has to happen, the trick is to leave the other side to do any damage.

Mar 16, 2014 11:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tonyalfidi wrote:

Russia and the US prepare for financial conflict. Deep state players draw battle lines through Ukraine’s assets and global markets.

Mar 16, 2014 12:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Not my problem what Crimea decides to do. It’s a bunch of Russians living there anyway.

Non-intervention is sometimes the best medicine.

Mar 16, 2014 12:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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Mar 17, 2014 1:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
NeverNever wrote:

Of course the removal of the elected Yanukovich by a coup engineered y the US Department of State was done in accordance with the constitution of the Ukraine? Yatsenyuk, the leader of the Kiev administration, is the US puppet put in place by the US – Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland named him as the US choice in her now-famous “Fuck the EU” phone conversation with the US ambassador to Ukraine, on an unsecured phone line. She also gave a speech in December saying that the US had spent $5 Billion to destabilize the Yanukovich government. Yatsenyuk and the US are hardly speaking from high moral or legal ground when they complain about Russia reacting to the coup in Kiev.

Mar 17, 2014 1:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
NeverNever wrote:

Of course the removal of the elected Yanukovich by a coup engineered y the US Department of State was done in accordance with the constitution of the Ukraine? Yatsenyuk, the leader of the Kiev administration, is the US puppet put in place by the US – Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland named him as the US choice in her now-famous “Fuck the EU” phone conversation with the US ambassador to Ukraine, on an unsecured phone line. She also gave a speech in December saying that the US had spent $5 Billion to destabilize the Yanukovich government. Yatsenyuk and the US are hardly speaking from high moral or legal ground when they complain about Russia reacting to the coup in Kiev.

Mar 17, 2014 1:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gordo53 wrote:

Crimea is a done deal regardless of what the west decides to do. The open question is whether or not Putin fabricates an “incident” and uses it to invade and annex the rest of Ukraine. My guess is he will.

Mar 17, 2014 3:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gordo53 wrote:

Crimea is a done deal regardless of what the west decides to do. The open question is whether or not Putin fabricates an “incident” and uses it to invade and annex the rest of Ukraine. My guess is he will.

Mar 17, 2014 3:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JoeObserver wrote:

If it were not Russia but Syria or Libya, the west would have already sent troops. But now they will face a formidable opponent, so backtracking their position. People will remember this as an cowardice act. What about the billions of dollars of tax payers money being spent on jetting around the world in the name of diplomacy etc.

Mar 17, 2014 4:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

I don’t care. If they are not willing to fight Russia over Crimea, then I am not willing to fight Russia either. Honestly they sound better off than to depend on the EU or US.

Mar 17, 2014 6:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Dualcitizen wrote, “To new_york_loner…. You seem like a jerk.”

I expected something more intellectual from a dual citizenship – US-Israel – poster.

Must be that Israel is undergoing a hasbarat crisis… only low-level scrubs are now shilling online for the nuclear-scofflaw, apartheid, Jewish state in Palestine.

Mar 17, 2014 8:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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