Malaysian plane presumed crashed; questions over false IDs

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ElRonbo wrote:

Correction: two died in the SFO crash, the third fatality was a passenger on the tarmac who was hit by two firefighting trucks.

Mar 07, 2014 9:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Hoping for good news for all passengers. Poor reporting why does the author speculates and says ‘if the plane has crashed’. Did not expect it from Reuters.

Mar 07, 2014 9:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
logicdog wrote:

The San Francisco crash was pilot error, not a faulty aircraft.

Mar 07, 2014 9:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MudCow wrote:

The plane had a ground accident last year with a broken wing tip.

Mar 07, 2014 9:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Al_Allen wrote:

Cub Reporter Stuart Grudgings fails to understand the San Francisco was caused by willful pilot error. The 777 performed flawlessly as designed. Can’t compensate for a dysfunctional pilot team.

Mar 07, 2014 9:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Pshea wrote:

“Plane made in USA, perfect ad for US manufacturing quality.”

It only works when its maintained you third world idiot.

Mar 07, 2014 10:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nwraivo wrote:

exactly how do you LOSE a plane in 2014? a problem, sure that happens, but to LOSE it and not know where it is? Are you serious?

Mar 07, 2014 10:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sonatanegra wrote:

please stop posting photos of those who are suffering from the loss.

Mar 07, 2014 10:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
coolnezz wrote:

SF crash was pilot error. Couldn’t handle manual control after auto pilot disengaged.

Mar 07, 2014 10:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
coolnezz wrote:

I’m betting this is another human error.

Mar 07, 2014 10:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tezench wrote:

Wow. Lots of racist comments here. CNSG, very good point. Rickshaws, really? There are plenty of really bad American drivers that shouldn’t be operating anything more powerful than a horse and buggy.

Not one comment expressing concern or the well being of the passengers on the plane. A very American attitude. Sad.

My sympathies to the families of the passengers, and sorrow for any life lost.

Mar 07, 2014 10:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Pshea wrote:

Ya, Made in China is where the quality is at! Not!

Mar 07, 2014 11:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
iliveforfall wrote:

Plane flown by a substandard Malaysian airline — perfect ad for Malaysian airline pilot quality

CNSG — See how ridiculous that sounds, jumping to conclusions before you know what happened? Instead of throwing around blame, let’s turn our thoughts to the likely victims and their families.

Mar 07, 2014 11:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mirror1612 wrote:

I hope those people are safe.

Namaste.

Mar 07, 2014 11:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
misse wrote:

PrincessHeaven, if the same thing happens in US, will you say the same?

Mar 07, 2014 11:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Robert76 wrote:

Once a large plane disappears off a radar screen, odds are that it has met with a “major event” (i.e. blown up, crashed, etc) Sadness for all aboard, and sympathies for the families of those people.

Mar 07, 2014 11:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ryan10 wrote:

Malaysian here, let’s hope for the best.

Mar 07, 2014 11:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
nonoy wrote:

praying for all of them! God save them all!

Mar 08, 2014 12:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jocomus wrote:

There has been no precedent in aviation history that a depresurized but integrated plane plunged into sea can be jacked up from ocean floor to surface, even though passengers are known to be helplessly trapped inside.

At least, the Korean Airline 1983 and Air France planes were not able to be rescued as such. Maybe China could pioneer that effort in their South China Sea with God’s blessings.

Mar 08, 2014 12:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
Mohanaaa wrote:

Very Unfortunate , very disturbing , very regrettable — B777-200 of MAS loses contact in Vietnamese air space few hrs ago with 230+ Pax onboard the flt from KL to Beijing . All world eyes are set on safety , search & Rescue ops of Pax as of now.
We must go very deep into this — calling it episode as of now from FAA/NTSB/Boeing/MAS & Regulatory authorities perspective. This is my 48 yrs deeply – entrenched in Engg & Maint of commercial airplanes.Boeing must clean up all glitches on newly introduced B787 sooner & Airbus must come -out with A350 with complete certifications, Quality & de-snagged airplanes ASAP. We were impressed with A350 at recent S’pore airshow cockpit mock-up & test flt. The long-haul airplanes tech aspects need world attention & all world genius minds must work to-gether for resolution if any & as required . The huge world travelling public today have a great stakes in safe – flying –Political class & Technocrats must work together — review & overhaul the aviation system as time dictates in congested traffic . Best wishes /Regards : Mohan
E mail : madan.aerospace@gmail.com

Mar 08, 2014 12:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
hacienda wrote:

china has a lot of explaining to do.
start with their soldiers map proficiency.

Mar 08, 2014 1:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
dd606 wrote:

Online ADS tracking showed right where it disappeared, and that network is mainly comprised of hobbyists that have receivers at their homes… which would obviously have to be on land. So how does that signal get picked up, but nobody with ATC knew where it was, even with radar?

Mar 08, 2014 1:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

CIA?

Mar 08, 2014 1:36am EST  --  Report as abuse

My heart and thoughts go out to all of those onboard, as well as their families and friends during this horrific time. Also, hope that there is some clarity soon.

Mar 08, 2014 1:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
kalaivendran wrote:

To hell with made in USA. I am going with made in France.

Mar 08, 2014 2:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

Just guessing –

From this account, it rather sounds like an “autopilot stall;” where the crew sets up the climb, but fails to monitor the airspeed. As a consequence, the aircraft decelerates to the stall speed, catching the pilots by surprise.

That’s not supposed to happen, but ….

With no pilot radio calls, things probably happened very abruptly; then deteriorated – whatever actually happened.

Assuming that the plane went down over water, the flight recorders should be located by a sonar locating “pinger.”

Again, just guessing -

Mar 08, 2014 3:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
heckmacbuff wrote:

This has bomb written all over it.

Mar 08, 2014 4:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
NeddyB wrote:

Why all the double speak from Asian countries all the time? Why are Asians always concerned about saving face?

Mar 08, 2014 4:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
Verpoly wrote:

Exactly whereabout MH370 must be ascertained. Insurance companies won’t compensate for a “missing” plane, and liability for airline to indemnify families of victims does not yield from such a prolonged but absurd situation.

Mar 08, 2014 4:28am EST  --  Report as abuse

Hmm, I would not like to fly over the south china sea.

likely to have some country shoot you out of the sky

Mar 08, 2014 4:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
littlerose wrote:

the photo is perverted. nothing to do with journalism.

Mar 08, 2014 4:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Mohanaaa wrote:

“Very Unfortunate , very disturbing , very regrettable — B777-200 of MAS loses contact in Vietnamese air space few hrs ago with 230+ Pax onboard the flt from KL to Beijing . All world eyes are set on safety , search & Rescue ops of Pax as of now. Worst was feared .
We must go very deep into this horrifying accident to establish the root cause from FAA/NTSB/Boeing/MAS & Regulatory authorities perspective. The plane, report says , was at about 35000ft & was still climbing . This is my 48 yrs experience deeply – entrenched in Engg & Maint of commercial airplanes. I have heard of only one A330 fatal accident at high altitude so far now apart from this one . The shocking part is we know most of the accidents occur during approach/landing & T O phases . What could have gone wrong with machine or men at 35K ft alt.
Boeing must swiftly clean up all glitches on newly introduced B787 sooner & Airbus must come -out with A350 with complete certifications, Quality & cleaned , de-snagged airplanes ASAP. We were impressed with A350 at recent S’pore airshow cockpit mock-up & test /demo flt.
The long-haul airplanes tech aspects need world attention & all world genius minds must work to-gether for resolution if any & as required . The huge world travelling public today have a great stakes in safe – flying –Political class & Technocrats must work together — review & overhaul the overall aviation system as time dictates in ever- increasing congested air traffic corridors . Best wishes /Regards : Mohan
E mail : madan.aerospace@gmail.com “

Mar 08, 2014 5:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Kuya_Law wrote:

Mar 8,1979 (35 yrs today): #China withdraws invasion troops frm VN. Related to #MalaysiaAirlines flt #MH370 gone over VN? #ConspiracyTheory

Mar 08, 2014 6:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
carloabalos wrote:

March 8, 1979, exactly 35 years ago today, China withdrew troops from Vietnam ending their involvement in the Vietnam War. Coincidentally, Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 bound for Beijing mysteriously disappeared over waters of South China Sea under Vietnamese jurisdiction. Of the 239 passengers, 152 are Chinese nationals. Hours after the news of the ill fated flight broke we are still kept in the dark. Malaysia Airlines has one of the best safety records in Southeast Asia. Boeing 777 has been used for commercial flight since 1995. The Asiana Flight was the only known accident involving a 777 that resulted in fatalities. Malaysia Airlines is keeping peple in the dark. Has it got something to do with the Uiguhr insurgency going on in China right now? Has it crashed? Why there is no site of debris over the area that the plane went missing. Its almost 24 hours.

Mar 08, 2014 6:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
SherryLina wrote:

How sad…Why don’t they find where last time the pilot says and find the nearest area? I could say that maybe there could be accidents on engine problem or etc but I wish we all could support them to find them as fast as we could, I don’t want to let my friend happened same as her last time, but lucky she’s not there so…. GO!GO!GO! HELP THEM AS FAST AS YOU COULD!!!

Mar 08, 2014 6:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
carloabalos wrote:

I was looking through major historic events that happened today and one entry piqued my attention and ignited the conspiracy theorist in me. March 8, 1979, exactly 35 years ago today, China withdrew troops from Vietnam ending their involvement in the Vietnam War. Coincidentally, Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 bound for Beijing mysteriously disappeared over waters of South China Sea under Vietnamese jurisdiction. Of the 239 passengers, 152 are Chinese nationals. Hours after the news of the ill fated flight broke we are still kept in the dark. Malaysia Airlines has one of the best safety record in Southeast Asia. Boeing 777 has been used for commercial flight since 1995. The Asiana Flight was the only known accident involving a 777 that resulted in fatalities and that wasn’t caused my mechanical failure. Malaysia Airlines is keeping people in the dark. Conflicting reports are popping up about existence of oil slick in the supposed crash site. Has it got something to do with the Uiguhr insurgency going on in China right now? Has it crashed? Why there is no site of debris over the area that the plane went missing? Its been 15 hours since the news broke and every damn country bordering South China Sea are helping in looking the missing plane.

Mar 08, 2014 7:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
gabe25591 wrote:

I don’t mean to be a boring pedant on an article of such gravity, but didn’t it take a number of YEARS – not hours – before any remnants Air France 447 was found?

Mar 08, 2014 7:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Oogachakah wrote:

Hearts and prayers with victims’ families. The prospect of a terrorist bomb on board (B.O.B.) likely when reviewing the history of violent AL Queda influence in this zone of the world. The original pre 9/11 plot that involved a potential bringing down of up to 13 jumbo jets with a heading to the US was planned in Malaysia, and despite of (or worse perhaps IN spite of) warning signs from Israeli Intel and evidence gathered from intel on the Osama Bin Laden freaks of that era cockpit doors on US jets remained unlocked and unprotected. Complacency towards agression and fanatics can now be seen in the illegal and immoral actions of Putin and his Russian gangsters invading Crimea: Force = Force, Isaac Newton was right “for each action (there needs to be) an equl and opposite reaction.” Mr President Obama, check your high school science notes and get a spine when dealing with Putin, he is playing you like a cheap guitar that is out of tune. Red line this SOB and MEAN IT this time!!!

Mar 08, 2014 8:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
kivanov wrote:

It need to have in mind night conditions and activity in this space ares of the flight / some other objects / It’s no some problems for loosing so suddenly electrical energy and radio connection as board cause. So, it need to search a signals from emergency transmitter, touching the water.. So regrets!!

Mar 08, 2014 9:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
kivanov wrote:

It need to have in mind night conditions and other objects at this space. Almost it haven’t possibility for loosing the signals from plane causal by electrical system of the plane. Understanding it will wait for the signals of emergency transmitter, if it’s at the water.

Mar 08, 2014 9:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
Handbook wrote:

As with the crashes at SFIA and Air France, my guess is they lost their autopilot and neither one could fly the plane at night.

Mar 08, 2014 9:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Humanfan wrote:

So much bad information. I cannot believe our press is so incompetent. Last night right after I heard this, I went to flight aware which showed tracking ended shortly after takeoff. NOT TWO HOURS. However Since they kept insisting it was 2 hours after takeoff that they lost contact, I used Flightaware history for the last 5 flights and plotted each two hours into their flights. Each plotted a spot in Laos, 150 to 160 miles west of Da Nang Vietnam. If it stayed in the air 2 hours and 13 minutes it would be off the coast of Vietnam. Reporters generally are so stupid.

Mar 08, 2014 9:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
Humanfan wrote:

if the flight crashed where they said it did, then it was in the air less than 30 minutes, not the 2 hours reported.

Mar 08, 2014 10:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
DrKM wrote:

I hope that the editor could examine the description: “why the Boeing 777-200ER, powered by Rolls-Royce Trent engines, would have vanished from radar screens about an hour after take-off.”
According to the Media Statements from Malaysia Airlines (see the 1st-4th statements, especially the 2nd), the airliner has departed Kuala Lumpur at 12.41am and lost contact at 2.40am (local Malaysia time!) today.
It implies that the Boeing 777-200ER had flown about two hours actually!
I think this is an very important point since …

Mar 08, 2014 10:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
DrKM wrote:

If the airliner flew about two hours, it could reach farther from Kuala Lunpur.
The last known position of MH370 before it disappeared off the radar, is reported to be 065515 North (longitude) and 1033443 East (latitude) in the 4th Media Statement of the Airline), which is in the southern east area of the Gulf of Thailand, but it may be truly in the range of an hour cruise from Kuala Lunpur.
Where did the Boeing 777-200ER fly in another hour, and where did it go?

Mar 08, 2014 10:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
UltimateMale wrote:

Yeah, but plane was flown by non-American.

Mar 08, 2014 11:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
texdoc38 wrote:

I thought airliners had transmtters that start pinging during a crash, including water activated ones. Shouldn’t they have a general location by now, if not a secific one?

Mar 08, 2014 11:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
Kayee wrote:

People all over the world are very upset with the media who is exploiting images of grieving families. What part of this is unclear?

Mar 08, 2014 11:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
DrKM wrote:

Let me see the following facts:
1) MAS 370 on 08-Mar-2014 departed KUL on time.
See http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370.
2) On previous days, the same flight reach the north coast area of Vietnam at 02.40am Malaysia time (18.40pm GMT).
See, e.g., http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-06/18:40/12x/MAS370, http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-04/18:40/12x/MAS370, http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-02/18:40/12x/MAS370, etc.
You can find the plane around Da Nang every flight day.

If the jetliner were on the air just before 02.40am, it could go farther from the origin even if it was off the normal flight course.
I hope the editor can suggest that the authorities collect more accurate information and consider a possibility that the airframe may be out of the Gulf of Thailand.

Mar 08, 2014 11:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
Serjao wrote:

He hope, here in Brazil, they can be found, and alive.

Mar 08, 2014 12:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
vinoflyer wrote:

The headline that there is no sign of terrorism is really misleading as it implies there is other information when in fact there is none.

What we do know is very little

a- The airplane disappeared at the point in flight when it was most distant from land

b- At least two passengers were traveling with stolen passports. It’s not clear why this was not known prior to departure.

c- Whatever happened did not allow the crew to communicate (although communication with those who can not help you is very low on the priority list in an emergency) . However, more significant is that there is apparently no trail of data from the aircraft that would have been sent automatically if systems were functioning.

d- China has had two incidents of terrorist attacks in the last 6 months

Mar 08, 2014 12:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cheeze wrote:

Most likely pilot error. These machines are put together well. God speed to the familys

Mar 08, 2014 12:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JeninGA wrote:

I am not a scientist, but I would think that the actual plane will be miles ahead of where the oil spills are located.

Mar 08, 2014 12:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
marybgonzales wrote:

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Mar 08, 2014 1:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
drknrg wrote:

I seriously doubt the USA “manufactured” the cause of this non-accident

Mar 08, 2014 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

Kind of suspicious to me that there were 2 people on board with stolen passports (in other words they were traveling under a false identity).

Mar 08, 2014 1:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
leungsite wrote:

A team of Chinese professional rescue divers from Guangzhou has been despatched to the “probable scene” offshore Vietnam to search the plane. They should be there Sunday noon time. Trust their effort.

Mar 08, 2014 1:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SkyDragon wrote:

This plane broke up midair, whether from a bomb, or mechanical failure. It had a runway mishap in 2012 hope they fixed it properly and didn’t miss any structural damage. Lack of communication confirms whatever happen happened fast and at 30,000 feet was severe. That’s a lot of attitude to work out a problem. The avionics of this type of craft have multiple redundancies so a power loss would not prevent the pilots issuing a mayday even if they stalled the airplane they would have time to contact a tower for help. Something would have to interrupt them all at once ! You don’t land a 777 with limited fuel just anywhere especially without someone noticing it. Its not stealth. Before you mention Air France realize they were in a communications dark zone over the Atlantic. The distance between Malaysia and Vietnam is not that big of an expanse for a comms. dark zone. The shallow water in the Thailand Strait will make recovery reasonable and all will be determined in time.

Mar 08, 2014 2:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Tovoando wrote:

I think the plane is hijacking…

Mar 08, 2014 3:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
scott1357 wrote:

speaking of culturally bound, if you are interested in such, see the book “The Outliers”. Korean Airlines even hired a western consultant re the “Guam” problem, and the results are in this book. I really should look up where it actually happened, Guam or not, but lazy is as lazy does?

Mar 08, 2014 4:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
McDuderson wrote:

Those of you suggesting a stall or the pilots inability to fly the plane are being absurd. Both situations are stupidly improbable (the pilots could absolutely hand-fly the plane if they had to and any approach to stall would have certainly been noticed, unlike the poor-weather Air France event where icing led to faulty sensor readings), and either of those situations would have resulted in radio communication, as they don’t result in instant crashing but a good several minutes before reaching critical height. Pilot error is also equally unlikely at that phase of the flight; there’s no major decisions or control inputs required at that point, and any “error” would have a long time to be caught before crashing.

If you don’t know anything about aviation, please, don’t speculate. The public who reads your comments will lend them too much credence, and then the BS just spreads.

Mar 08, 2014 5:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LAers wrote:

Something I need to bring up is that this plane has a code name shared with China Southern Airline CZ748 – that explained Chinese Passengers being the majority on the plane.

Mar 08, 2014 5:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Incazzata wrote:

Aside from the technical possibilities – the ins and outs of which are considerably beyond me – what exactly ARE the odds of two passengers using passports stolen in the same country within a year or so of each other actually being on the same flight which then suffers a catastrophe of some kind? Any odds specialists about?

Mar 08, 2014 5:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
quatra wrote:

Hmmm. No mayday.
1. Falling from 36,000 feet takes a long time.
2. Passengers called Christian Kozel and Luigi Maraldi, passports stolen, not on board.
3. How much fuel did the B777 load (not difficult to find out)? Sufficient for over 24 hours flight time? I doubt it. Airlines don’t fill up a B777 for a 6 hour trip.
How intelligent do you have to be to figure out what happened? The outcome is clear.
Obviously all the hanky panky about taking off your belt, your shoes, scanners, relinguishing your toiletries is just hokum.
Fortunately I’m retired and got time to discover my own country. By car.
I guess people should just stay at home by now.

Mar 08, 2014 6:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
crazyobama1 wrote:

Bat Day would put an end to that terrorist crap.
The Big Man from Brooklyn put his Bat Day video on YouTube several years ago
He was a hoot, God rest his soul.

Mar 08, 2014 6:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
siamjimi wrote:

Not sure how fully factual this report may seem – it states [Malaysia Airlines has one of the best safety records among full-service Asia-Pacific carriers.] – this is NOT true – Malaysian Airlines has been plagued with air-crashes due to a variety of problems including poor maintenance practices and falsified repair reports.

Mar 08, 2014 6:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Solarflight wrote:

As one who travels a lot for business trip, I get to mix with all kinds of people in many countries, including Malaysia.

In Malaysia I get to mix with wonderful people, but also, I have met with some people with shady backgrounds (I can’t prove anything, but I have the feeling that they do not have “regular jobs” like others) who seems to have endless supply of money that to afford them luxurious lifestyles.

And if you know anything about the politics of Malaysia you would understand that the regime that is controlling Malaysia supports Islamic terrorism. They have (at least in the past they had) secret training camps set up deep in the tropical jungle in the Borneo island and gave training to Islamic terrorists.

The killings in Thailand, the Philippines and in Indonesia are intrinsically related to what the Malaysian government has/had offered / is offering them.

It will be too early to say that the Boeing 777 plane was took down by the Islamic terrorists, but if it turns out to be that, I won’t be surprised at all, for it’s the Malaysian regime that has been encouraging and sponsoring the Islamic terrorism that has killed a lot of people in South East Asia (Bali Bombing included) and beyond.

Mar 08, 2014 6:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kb4freedom wrote:

Passports are supposed to verify the people boarding the plane. If two passports were reported stolen two years ago, the barcode should set off the alarm when the passport is scanned. Obviously the system is a joke and all the standing around we do in airports is for nothing.

Mar 08, 2014 7:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ray2go wrote:

Dear Reporter,
Please also review the incident happened in 2008 and 2009, British Airline Flight 38 and Delta Airline Flight 18, respectively. For BA38, which was crash landed in London, NTSB found that the Boeing 777′s engine has uncommanded rollback issue. That same problem was reported found on Delta Flight 18 during its flight at 39,000 feet height but pilots were able to recover the engine problem by going through protocol. Just FYI.

Mar 08, 2014 7:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
apljx360 wrote:

I’ve noticed that no one has suggested the possibility that this attack could have very well been carried out by beings not of this world. Aliens?

Mar 08, 2014 7:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

“…. Flight tracking website flightaware.com showed it flew northeast after takeoff, climbed to 35,000 feet and was still climbing when it vanished from tracking records.”

A lot of things are possible.

35,000 feet is a typical en route “level off” altitude. Each “cruise” altitude is most commonly a function of the aircraft’s en route weight capability, increasing as fuel (weight) is burned off. If – repeat “if” that was their “cleared to” altitude, the continued climb suggests that the assigned altitude was “busted.” It’s also possible that their “next assigned” altitude was 37,000 feet – accounting for the continued climb. The pertinent facts are not yet known.

From this account, it’s worth at least speculating about an “autopilot stall;” where the crew sets up the climb, but fails to monitor the airspeed. As a consequence, the aircraft decelerates to the stall speed, catching the pilots by surprise. An untimely encounter with turbulence could possibly cause or worsen the problem. If the pilots were not quick to react to the problem, anything is possible.

Especially at night, if any abrupt changes to the aircraft flight path occurred, it would be a major task to recover with manual control; having only the flight instruments for visual reference.

Stalling an airliner at high altitude can be messy. The “thinner” air makes manual aircraft control very challenging.

Given the sophistication of the modern autopilot and warning systems (audio and visual), a “stall” is not supposed to happen. But if improper procedures were used, or some other adverse event was involved, well ….

Still, at this point, anything is speculation.

The major clue is the absence of pilot radio calls, suggesting that “things” probably happened very abruptly; then deteriorated – whatever actually happened.

The sophistication of electronics on board is a big variable. It’s appropriate to ask where the flightaware.com data came from. Was there a satellite flight data link, versus ATC data? If so, the abrupt loss of altitude/position data suggests a possible loss of electrical power – or, a rather violent loss of altitude, which “broke” the satellite data link, due to the aircraft on-board antenna being unable to maintain an adequate “line-of-sight” connection with the associated satellite(s).

All is a mystery, at this point.

Assuming that the plane went down over water, there should be some floating debris to roughly mark the impact point. The flight recorders should be able to be located by a built-in sonar locating “pinger.”

We wait.

Mar 08, 2014 7:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wewillfindu wrote:

Had the passports that were previously stolen confiscated upon arrival, those passengers may all still be here. An error that should have been detected; and this is the aftermath.

Mar 08, 2014 7:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wewillfindu wrote:

Quatra DITTO

The security is laughable at best, to anyone that knows the real truth. How easy it was for the terrorist to take passports,use them and the cycle continues. Shall we wait to see how easy the next plot is.

Mar 08, 2014 8:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
alina23 wrote:

could it be another missile??? like a few days ago when just about missed a plane?

Mar 08, 2014 8:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Solarflight wrote:

@McDuderson,

You wrote:”Those of you suggesting … the pilots inability to fly the plane are being absurd”

If you are from Malaysia you wouldn’t have said what you have just said.

The pilot is a Malay and he graduated from the MARA college. That same MARA college (now “promoted” to become a “university”) producing graduates that the private sectors in Malaysia will never want to hire.

Every single thing in Malaysia is about race – and that MARA college is a college especially for the Malay race.

Even individuals who do not have any ability to study or do anything useful get to enroll into that “university” with ease, as long as he or she is a Malay, and can graduate, with an official university degree as easily, again, simply because that individual is of the Malay race.

That is why the private sector in Malaysia won’t touch the MARA graduates – who want to waste the money, time and effort to hire people can not perform ?

Let me say it again, that pilot and the first officers, both of them, graduated from that MARA college/university which is “famous” for non-functional graduates.

Mar 08, 2014 11:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hb07 wrote:

most chinese people treat other people like dogs, even their own kind, with nothing but disrespect and selfishness. and this is coming from someone SF-PEK studying.. ive seen it all

Mar 08, 2014 11:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Max0712 wrote:

I strongly believe that this airplane has been hijacked, there would not have been enough time to contact with air traffic controllers 120 nautical miles off the east coast of the Malaysian town of Kota Bharu, to climb up to 35,000 ft and crash at the same time. The oil-field has been done on purpose to let the rescue teams tap in the dark / allow them enough time to disappear. Probably that aircraft has been far too heavy to land the aircraft within a short period of time on a hidden short runway / road, that’s why they suddenly lost tons of petrol. Check if there have been any oil-tankers around within the last 3-8 weeks that could have delivered petrol to a surrounding island / main-lands. They could basically land there, let you tap in the dark for 24-48 hours and let the aircraft disappear. It could have been taken on a ship / or has been covered in the jungle / forest. There is enough human power on-board that could support such ideas / projects of the hijackers. As you may know, the “golden triangle” is very famous for people disappearing / organs being sold. One of my close friends / a strong guy with actual a good body shape disappeared in that area back a few years ago and turned up after a few years saying he would be alive, but he has to keep this conversation short. If you would like to save those people, think out of the box: this attack has been planned probably 2-3 years ago, no matter where you start looking, those guys are already 3, 4, 5 or even more steps in ahead of you. All villages and areas have to be searched through on the land / not on the sea only, try to find survivors on the mainlands / islands, public transport possibilities / cars / ships leaving areas, any movement of a large group of people. I’m sure there are satellite pictures available that could find such “warm-movements”. 4 people even had fake passports and I’m not sure why they would be prepared to die, if they would be prepared to die they could have been using their own passports, rather than using someone else’ passport that even has been stolen in Thailand. Ask the Austrian / Italian where exactly their passport has been stolen, it could lead you directly back to the source. Any information from those guys is very important, because they could even remember roughly where their passport has been stolen. In case their passports would have a chip-code, you could even estimate where they have been to / track a signal in the past 48-72 hours. There are a lot of possibilities / opportunities here to track down the source. It has probably all been arranged / organized in Thailand for a reason. I believe that those guys who hijacked the aircraft (4 non matching passports) are still alive and already far away from where you believe they actually are. Good luck with your search, hope all will go well. I’m sure the public will only know what you want them to know, the real thing will never be released to the public. Most of our watches could send a signal when crashing, pilots usually have such watches, which means: it has all been organized and planned, every possibility of not getting caught.

Mar 09, 2014 12:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
iMan9796 wrote:

The Port Authority has become a threat to national security and has placed everyone’s safety & security in jeopardy. The Port Authority has single handedly undermined all the counterterrorism measures that have been put in place by allowing crimes such as their illegal written policy of throwing lost valid passports in the garbage. Now just imagine the damage that a terrorist group could do with those valid lost passports or an identity theft ring. There were a couple of passengers that had stolen passports onboard the Malaysian Airline crash. Terrorism has been made easy by the Port Authority with lost passports being thrown into the garbage.

Donna Lebourne, the Supervisor of Terminal Operations, instituted this illegal passport policy. This illegal passport policy was reinforced by her manager Gail Davis, the Operations Supervisor of the P.A. Bus Terminal & Lincoln Tunnel in writing. Donna Lebourne stated under oath that she personally discards lost passports found in the PABT. Who’s to say she isn’t selling them on the black market. These two enablers of global terrorism remain employed at the Port Authority where anything goes, just like David Samson and others.

The Port Authority’s illegal passport policy was featured by Ch.7 Eyewitness News investigative reporter Jim Hoffer, as well as on Chasing NJ. Gary Busio of the NY Post wrote an article concerning the Port Authority’s illegal passport policy.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/investigators&id=9277998
http://www.my9nj.com/story/24313600/inside-the-port-authority

What happened in Malaysia could easily happen here, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, as a result of the Port Authority’s intentional breach of national security. This is a willful act of treason against the United States of America. Google “Port Authority – Passports.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/found_stolen_trashed_by_pa_V4RMICgPyy2bhAVzDkW9EL
It’s time to stop the madness before innocent lives are lost due to the Port Authority’s illegal, criminal & corrupt policies, practices and procedures.

Mar 09, 2014 12:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
JustBeingMe00 wrote:

What do the satellites show? We have enough up there keeping an eye on the world that a satellite somewhere caught something!!!!!!!

Mar 09, 2014 12:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
JustBeingMe00 wrote:

What did our satellites show? We have enough of them up there watching the world. What did at least one capture?

Mar 09, 2014 12:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
ckyap wrote:

This is probably linked to the al-Kitab court case. I think Christians and maybe the Catholic Church in general are fighting more than the use of language in Malay Bibles, more than the hearts and pockets of the faithful. They even fight in cartoons (Ultraman). There is a cold war over our minds and jobs. Haj money also is missing, and behind the newspaper article, a picture of a 4-horned goat.

Mar 09, 2014 4:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ckyap wrote:

This is probably linked to the al-Kitab court case. I think Christians and maybe the Catholic Church in general are fighting more than the use of language in Malay Bibles, more than the hearts and pockets of the faithful. They even fight in cartoons (Ultraman). There is a cold war over our minds and jobs. Haj money also is missing, and behind the newspaper article, a picture of a 4-horned goat.

Mar 09, 2014 4:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ckyap wrote:

This is probably linked to the al-Kitab court case. I think Christians and maybe the Catholic Church in general are fighting more than the use of language in Malay Bibles, more than the hearts and pockets of the faithful. They even fight in cartoons (Ultraman). There is a cold war over our minds and jobs. Haj money also is missing, and behind the newspaper article, a picture of a 4-horned goat.

Mar 09, 2014 4:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speculator1 wrote:

Alien interference?

Mar 09, 2014 5:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Chazz wrote:

With all the speculation above please allow me to throw out another idea for discussion.

As far fetched as this will seem, (but then, it seems just about anything is possible these days) what if the plane DIDN’T crash? What if it was….captured?

The info that it seems we all agree on are: the plane just “disappeared.” The flight crew was highly experienced so making “errors” especially at altitude seems odd as well as the fact that they made no effort to call MAYDAY. No wreckage has been found. Two suspects were on board – what was their function…why?

As we learned from the events of 9-11, terrorists turned off the planes transponders so they couldn’t be tracked. Would that or could that be a reason why this Malaysian plane suddenly “disappeared” without any emergency call from the experienced flight crew?

So….what if the plane didn’t explode or didn’t crash. What if it was “captured” by the two men who carried the false passports?…

Discuss….

Mar 09, 2014 9:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Chazz wrote:

From Reuters – BREAKING NEWS: Vietnam navy plane finds object suspected of belonging to missing Malaysian jetliner: Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam.

No need to discuss the “capture” theory…but….what if someone were to try it? Could they succeed?

Mar 09, 2014 10:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
-3R wrote:

I think the MH370 crash mostly cause by it wing, cause a year before, it smash its wing to another plane and lose the winglet. So I believe that create a huge tension effect for the entire wing

Mar 09, 2014 8:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
KuntaKinte1 wrote:

The questions also beckons on how the supermodel Altantuya that was C4ed in KL was found no entry by Malaysian customs.

2007:

June 27 – Day 6 of the Trial: Altantuya’s friend, Uuriintuya Gal-Orchir, told the court that she was told by officials that there was no record that she, Altantuya, and their friend Namiraa Gerelmaa, entered the country on 8 October 2006.

http://malaysiafactbook.com/Chronology:Altantuya_murder_trial
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Until now, there is no explanation from the Immigration Department that she had entered Malaysia. It is believed those who wanted her dead had also ordered that her records be deleted from the Immigration database.

Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=149641:former-bodyguards-of-msian-pm-wife-freed-from-charges-of-murdering-altantuya&Itemid=2#ixzz2vWHLFxDP
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Mar 09, 2014 9:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
psalm91 wrote:

What could have happened to the malaysian plane?
As the countries are searching for the missing flight without any clues. One weird possiblity that came to my mind
was the plane could have been hit by a North Korean ballistic missle.
We all know how on 27th February a Chinese passenger jet had a miraculous escape from being hit by a North Korean ballistic
missle with a time gap of just 7 minutes. Why not the same could have happened this time also? I think we need
to analyze this angle also a little bit. What I observed from all the news reports was the plane had no technical
problems and the pilots did’nt request for any help. The only issue is two guys travelling on stolen passports
which is quite common in China.

If the flight had no problem and had no issues where it disappeared all of a sudden?
If the pilots did’nt have time to react and respond to what they
were going through then we can come to a conclusion that it should have happened all of a sudden within fraction
of seconds.If this is the case then the possibility of being hit by one of the missles fired by north korea cannot
be ruled out. Maybe this is a wild guess but could be true.

The next question which comes to our mind is, If it was hit where is the debris?
Unconfirmed report from Vietnam says that oil slicks were found in Tho Chu Island off southern Vietnam.
I think this should be true and this is were the flight fell after being hit. And as we all know China and North
Korea are hand in gloves so the whole thing could have been comprimised for its friendly ally. And the debris and
the evidences could have been hidden or destroyed. Vietnam could have also played a role in concealing the evidences.

Mar 10, 2014 5:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
psalm91 wrote:

As the countries are searching for the missing flight without any clues. One weird possibility that came to my mind was the plane could have been hit by a North Korean ballistic missile.
We all know how on 27th February a Chinese passenger jet had a miraculous escape from being hit by a North Korean ballistic missile with a time gap of just 7 minutes. Why not the same could have happened this time also? I think we need to analyze this angle also a little bit.

If the flight had no problem where it disappeared all of a sudden?
If the pilots didn’t have time to react and respond to what they were going through then it should have happened all of a sudden maybe within fraction of seconds. If this is the case then the possibility of being hit by one of the missiles fired by North Korea cannot be ruled out. This is a wild guess but could be true.

As we all know China and North Korea are hand in gloves so the whole thing could have been compromised for its friendly allies mistake.

Mar 10, 2014 5:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjsidea wrote:

I think we should look as if the craft was hijacked being by the people using stolen passports. If craft was diverted to a hostile country it would be the delivery system needed to deliver a high yield nuclear weapon a very long distance.
Are we looking at sat data outside the :crash: theory? If not I would make it the top military and intelligence task.

Mar 10, 2014 8:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
msFans wrote:

So with the identification of the stolen passport holders as Iranian, could the plane possibly have been taken over and flown to Iran? It seems a possibility – as there is absolutely no sign of wreckage in the ocean so far…
Or it could mean that it exploded 35,000 feet in the atmosphere as they are saying, which would have sent the debris scattering so far that it will be unlikely that much of it will ever be found.
What is the likelihood that Iran could hijack a plane and fly it back home without the world finding out? It’s a VERY secretive regime! I suppose the truth would come out eventually, and I’m sure the U.S. would know first. But would they tell? It’s an interesting question…
It just seems incredible that a plane could just DISAPPEAR from the sky with no sign at all of what happened to it, with two stolen passport holders from Iran – who booked their trips together on it! It’s either terrorism or a hijacking…

Mar 10, 2014 9:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Migration wrote:

Since no wreckage has been discovered at sea it seems more likely the plane has crashed on a land area – perhaps in dense jungle. It seems like the most plausible scenario.

Mar 13, 2014 1:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MattMarriott wrote:

google
non-stop succession of jokes to keep the human cattle running in circles
ALL staged with actors – Illuminati religion’s commandment to serve NOTHING but simulated reality at the end of the show
Three governments have main roles in the cast of this act scripted by the Great Decider: Malaysia, Vietnam, China.
The most interesting is Vietnam.
Reminder: just months earlier the illuminati had to change the original revenge script of denying a state funeral to General Giap, one of two symbols for one of the greatest illuminati defeats ever, Vietnam 1975.
Related agendas
Other than the classic “more ‘security’ measures needed”:
- the “aliens disclosure”, that has also TV channels from National Geographic to History Channel non-stop serving the “aliens” broken record as yet another part of “science”.

Mar 14, 2014 10:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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