Malaysia air probe finds scant evidence of attack: sources

Comments (104)
Mouser wrote:

I can’t imagine what these poor families are going through! My heart goes out to them.

Mar 09, 2014 10:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kungciaw wrote:

I think, Maybe It caused by an EMP bomb that used by terrorist to shutdown the plane system…

Mar 09, 2014 10:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
elisevil wrote:

It is hardly uncommon to see citizens of “Western Nations” with Asian faces! Immigration and natural birth ‘policies’ guarantee them.

Though highly suspicious, these passport thieves may more likely only be attempting an illegal migration to the European Union as being involved in ‘disappearing’ an airplane (i.e. blowing it up!)

Mar 09, 2014 10:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Verpoly wrote:

Side with this, I believe there must be a market in Thailand to sell stolen passports for good value to those fugitives wanting to flee to Westwern Europe or North America visa-free, not necessarily linked to terrorism in most cases.

And lousy Kuala Lumpur airport security probably cares more about what you bring rather than who you are, when the plane is bound for an Asian destination like Beijing.

Mar 09, 2014 12:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
chrisdaswiss wrote:

This article talks more about the passports! http://currentgent.com/uncertainty-continues-in-malaysia-airlines-tragedy/
The scale of the boat search is amazing!

Mar 10, 2014 2:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nitnot wrote:

is a submarine sent? the plane might sunk into the deep sea just like what happened with an aeroplane in indonesia few years ago

Mar 10, 2014 2:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BarryMiami wrote:

Malaysian Airways did not check passports against Interpol’s stolen passport list
and they probably did not screen for explosives at the airport; the perfect storm.
The airline, the airport and domestic and international regulatory bodies should be held accountable and the necessary corrections should be made immediately. Shut down
all non-conforming operations until they do. We owe it to those who lost their
lives and their families and to the travelling public. Third world standards of compliance
are unacceptable.

Mar 10, 2014 3:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kebabsoup wrote:

“I am still perturbed. Can’t these immigration officials think? Italian and Austrian but with Asian faces,”

Erm… apparently, the Home Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi is not aware of the process of naturalization.

Mar 10, 2014 4:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
OBB wrote:

@kebabsoup Sure…Naturalization process includes giving Italian or Austrian name..
My opinion as follow: Jet liner exploded for any reason, MAS dismiss technical issues,and pass the ball to Airport immigration Authorities. Their case not easy…OK between 2 and 4 passengers passed thru with falsified passports, in case of terrorism they also passed with a bomb..Smells job vacancy (Men of Honor resign!)

Mar 10, 2014 5:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yamayoko wrote:

If you’re asked to surrender your passport as security for riding a loaned scooter or singing karaoke, it’s probably not safe for the document and many countries disallow this.

The worrisome aspect about this is not the inconvenience of replacing a lost passport, it’s you never know what kind of crime committed by the user of stolen identity and to shift liability onto the original bearer.

But doing so as in this case, the crook also stupidly deprives his family of entitlement to air crash compensation because he committed an identity theft in the first place.

Mar 10, 2014 5:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
yurakm wrote:

failure to quickly find any debris indicated the plane may have broken up mid-flight, which could disperse wreckage over a very wide area.

It sounds strange. Would wreckage be dispersed over a very wide area, the chances to find random bits and pieces should increase.

Mar 10, 2014 6:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
beerpatzer wrote:

Obviously aliens… They’re already here! Wake up people!!!

Mar 10, 2014 8:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ManicDee wrote:

Is it possible that this aircraft’s transponder was turned off, Hijacked and flown to say Cambodia?

Mar 10, 2014 8:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
loyalsys wrote:

Turn back could be a clue that pilot saw something heading his way. Maybe a piece of space debris.

Mar 10, 2014 8:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
loyalsys wrote:

Turn back could be a clue that pilot saw something heading his way. Maybe a piece of space debris.

Mar 10, 2014 8:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

An aircraft over water that disappears from radar contact means only that it flew beneath the minimum altitude being scanned by that radar. The absence of any debris field, either one scattered about by an in flight disintegration caused by an explosion, or a more compact debris field caused by hitting water at high speed and then disintegrating, is very peculiar. There are an extraordinary number of light weight and floating aircraft parts and pieces, life vests, life rafts, and luggage, that would surface even from the greatest depths or just float upon hitting the surface of the water. This is indeed a peculiar situation.

Mar 10, 2014 9:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mosnine wrote:

I am really wondering how is it that there is no due consideration that the airplane could have been hijacked and work on the 7 hours fuel on board and calculate whereabouts the plane might be. This cannot be compared to the other fateful flight that went down in the Atlantic because this is South China Sea we are talking about. I am surprised that the authorities along with the airlines are not considering working on this possibility since the S&R ops had turned out nothing.

Mar 10, 2014 9:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse

For a minute there I was looking for ‘ Oceanic Airlines Flight 815′ to be thrown in there.

Mar 10, 2014 9:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
John2244 wrote:

These comments about checking the passport need to have a reality check. Its mostly only in developing countries where the country’s Immigration department checks passports and issues an exit stamp. These are trained officers and have access to the proper systems and checks. Malaysia does it – and they failed. But its not easy.

Neither the United States NOR the UK do outbound checks for everyone. US Immigration nor the UK issue exit stamps. ID’s instead are checked by security and airlines who are different than immigration. Think about it – when you come to the US or UK you are asked many many questions coming in – but on the way out someone just checks to see if your face matches your ID so its a lot easier to trick the system.

Case in point. I have a US passport. I lost my passport. Cancelled it and got a new one. In the meantime I found my old one and kept it because it has valid visa’s. On a recent trip I accidently used the “Stolen” one and left the US. Its only when I got to the UK that Immigration said – hey you have a stolen passport. So no problem for me as the mistake was obvious (and I had my current passport) – but they did confiscate the passport to send to the US embassy. But the point is all this happens after a flight – not before.

So lets not complain about 3rd world processes when we don’t have any….

Mar 10, 2014 10:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pbgd wrote:

The possibility that the plane was hijacked and landed in a place unknown may now have to be considered.

Mar 10, 2014 10:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
D.Jo wrote:

The plane must be somewhat intact or luggage/seat floation devices would we scattered/floating over a large area by now? Makes one wonder if our tech/advanced abilities are not as superior as we imagine or they won’t disclose their capabilities for such an event. Seems drones would have a role in search and rescue? Or drop some drone submersibles (if they make them) to pick up transmission signals? Does not the black box transmit some signal even under water? Maybe the US is testing/monitoring tech abilities of others, maybe they all are? Sad the suffering families.

Mar 10, 2014 10:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CTcanuck wrote:

Interesting about the security comments at the airport given that there are no Malaysian Police officially working inside KLIA and instead all security inside the airport is outsourced to private security firms. Thus, you end up with “security” inside the airport, including the Customs area that is mostly low-paid, imported labourers from Bangladesh, Nepal etc. Let’s hope Malaysia treats this as a wake up call and puts on-duty Police officers inside he airports and not at a Police station outside of the Customs area.

Mar 10, 2014 10:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Pecas1 wrote:

Perish the thought, but could we be entering the dark period of electromagnetic energy?

Mar 10, 2014 10:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jcleary47 wrote:

This plane obviously crashed on the island from LOST.

Mar 10, 2014 10:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse

It wouldn’t be the first time a passenger jet was shot down near Southeast Asia. Surprised they aren’t mentioning that.

Mar 10, 2014 10:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse

It wouldn’t be the first time a passenger jet was shot down near Southeast Asia. Surprised they aren’t mentioning that.

Mar 10, 2014 10:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
NogginAbroad wrote:

I guess this guy never heard of Amelia Earhart or the US Navy Flight 19.

Mar 10, 2014 10:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
NotsoFast1 wrote:

Mr. Ali, an Iranian, sounds suspicious.

I’m just sayin’

Mar 10, 2014 10:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bob_Oscar wrote:

How long will it be before some article blaming aliens conducting a *target practice* exercise?

Mar 10, 2014 11:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bob_Oscar wrote:

How long will it be before some article blaming aliens conducting a *target practice* exercise?

Mar 10, 2014 11:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RUKidding9 wrote:

” Kungciaw wrote:
I think, Maybe It caused by an EMP bomb that used by terrorist to shutdown the plane system…”

You make an excellent point and I haven’t seen anyone bring this up. An EMP device can fit into a large suitcase. If it went off in the cargo hold the plane would drop like a rock. It would sink whole and there might not be any wreckage floating.

Mar 10, 2014 11:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
snoocks2 wrote:

Perhaps there is another ‘Burmuda Triangle’ going on in the area. It’s happened before in other parts of the world.

Mar 10, 2014 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
StickIt wrote:

It’s either a UFO abduction or the muslims took it down. No mystery, just a matter of deciding which story to go with.

Which one would you choose to run with.

Mar 10, 2014 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Uyghurs?

Mar 10, 2014 11:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse

I still say they were abducted by space aliens.

Mar 10, 2014 11:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SonnyDaze wrote:

UFO alien abduction maybe ???

Mar 10, 2014 11:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
markharr wrote:

I bet the religion of peace is involved.

Mar 10, 2014 11:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Billmenow wrote:

Mr Ali an Iranian pays for two tickets for two people using stolen passports and Naaaa it could not be terrorism. Yea right since Iran is the leading exporter of terrorism in the world it could not be true.

Mar 10, 2014 11:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Drackman wrote:

The people looking for this jet should remember the ValuJet 592 crash in the Everglades. It went into the earth at over 500 mph and hardly left a trace.

Mar 10, 2014 11:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Charlse wrote:

Oscar not long ….Can you imagine if this plane was taken by something we don’t understand… There are several un explained missing cars, planes, etc…this is the largest I have heard of. someone told me it might be the beginning.

Mar 10, 2014 11:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse

……Aliens….. (picture of aliens guy)

Mar 10, 2014 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dela-no-where wrote:

Does anyone else think they may be found after 5days near a phone booth?

Mar 10, 2014 11:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mag533 wrote:

Even if the plane went nose down there would have to be visible debris because most of the plane implements are buoyant like seat, etc. They must be looking in the wrong area or something really weird happened.

Mar 10, 2014 11:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DaleG wrote:

I thought there were tracking devices attached to flight data recorders for searches like this. Maybe not?

Mar 10, 2014 12:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DaleG wrote:

I thought there were tracking devices attached to flight data recorders for searches like this. Maybe not?

Mar 10, 2014 12:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DaleG wrote:

I thought there were tracking devices attached to flight data recorders for searches like this. Maybe not?

Mar 10, 2014 12:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jxgrab wrote:

You mean there is no satellite imagine of the location of the plane…sounds like multiple guberment conspiracies a work here

Mar 10, 2014 12:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Loucleve wrote:

Its not a mystery, its just that the MSMare not reporting all the FACTS: This plabe was involved in a wing clipping incident in China 2 years ago.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576353/Malaysian-Airlines-Boeing-777-centre-crash-probe-collided-plane-two-years-ago-breaking-wingtip.html

Mar 10, 2014 12:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Elizabeth5250 wrote:

Saying what we know about flying and radars, how does a reasonably large airplane just disappear from radar?

Can a plane like that dive quick enough to avoid radar and get under the normal attitude for being seen? Some radar screens sweep 360 degrees slowly others can sweep in split seconds. Some are high attitude, other mid attitudes, and a few may be low attitudes. Do not forget the type and ranges of different radars.

If it exploded there would have been a fireball, glowing sky, trailing debris as it fell. To have been seen some one or camera had to have been looking in that direction. It was night time and dark so it would have been bright and seen for some distances. I guess there was not as no one has spoken up.

What are the possibilities

1. Alien interaction (any outcome)
2. Structural or mechanical failure (total)
3. Large bird strike
4. Struck another aircraft (possibly stealth)
5. Struck by lighting
6. Struck by falling object (meteor, missile/satellite, other)
7. Struck by a missile fired at it
8. Terrorist blew it up
9. Terrorist hijacked it and landed it
10. Bermuda Triangle Effect (any time, place, or dimensional shift)
11. Other (totally unexplained)

Questions abound; Where is it, Where did it go, What happen, How and exactly where did it disappear from radar, Did the plane actually turnaround and why, Why NO communications, and lots lots more.

What was that Sherlock Holmes always said

Mar 10, 2014 12:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Elizabeth5250 wrote:

Saying what we know about flying and radars, how does a reasonably large airplane just disappear from radar?

Can a plane like that dive quick enough to avoid radar and get under the normal attitude for being seen? Some radar screens sweep 360 degrees slowly others can sweep in split seconds. Some are high attitude, other mid attitudes, and a few may be low attitudes. Do not forget the type and ranges of different radars.

If it exploded there would have been a fireball, glowing sky, trailing debris as it fell. To have been seen some one or camera had to have been looking in that direction. It was night time and dark so it would have been bright and seen for some distances. I guess there was not as no one has spoken up.

What are the possibilities

1. Alien interaction (any outcome)
2. Structural or mechanical failure (total)
3. Large bird strike
4. Struck another aircraft (possibly stealth)
5. Struck by lighting
6. Struck by falling object (meteor, missile/satellite, other)
7. Struck by a missile fired at it
8. Terrorist blew it up
9. Terrorist hijacked it and landed it
10. Bermuda Triangle Effect (any time, place, or dimensional shift)
11. Other (totally unexplained)

Questions abound; Where is it, Where did it go, What happen, How and exactly where did it disappear from radar, Did the plane actually turnaround and why, Why NO communications, and lots lots more.

What was that Sherlock Holmes always said

Mar 10, 2014 12:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hatefulpric wrote:

Can’t understand the rational behind anonymous terrorists. Are terrorist altruistic, committing sophisticated acts of violence for unknown reasons? Seems to me if it were terrorism someone paid a hefty price and would want to have credit.

Mar 10, 2014 12:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hiramsmaxim wrote:

Raptured? not likely but very slight possability

Mar 10, 2014 1:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stoneon wrote:

Prayers

Mar 10, 2014 1:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
trueh wrote:

The United States extensively reviewed imagery taken by American spy satellites for evidence of a mid-air explosion, but saw none, a U.S. government source said. The source described U.S. satellite coverage of the region as thorough.

No explosion? No communication from pilot? No “tracking” info? WTH?

Mar 10, 2014 1:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
docfjs wrote:

It’s all pure speculation until they find the wreckage and retrieve the black box.
At least you can say, without equivocation, that this did not happen in the Bermuda Triangle.

Mar 10, 2014 1:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AmericaFirst_ wrote:

Hijack is option, however remote but would really have to be organized. Most likely missile or bomb and all this time the cleanup was probably going on by people who knew where to be.

Mar 10, 2014 2:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dd606 wrote:

“The travel agent in the resort of Pattaya said an Iranian business contact she knew only as “Mr Ali” had asked her to book tickets for the two men on March 1. She had initially booked them on other airlines but those reservations expired and on March 6, Mr Ali had asked her to book them again. She told the newspaper she did not think Mr Ali, who paid her in cash and booked tickets with her regularly, was linked to terrorism.”

—-

So some guy supposedly from Iran, who doesn’t give his full name and pays in cash. Yeah, I can see why she wouldn’t be alarmed by that… That’s not suspicious at all.

Mar 10, 2014 2:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kahnie wrote:

“We have stopped men with false or stolen passports and carrying explosives, who have tried to get past KLIA (airport) security and get on to a plane,” he said. “There have been two or three incidents, but I will not divulge the details.”
Obviously, this time, you didn’t.

I believe it’s time to bring in the writers from “Twilight Zone.”

Mar 10, 2014 2:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanOKorn wrote:

If I were Iran and wanted to nuke the USA I would steal a jet, load it up with an EMP nuke and fly it to NYC as a commercial flight. Lights out.

Mar 10, 2014 2:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
krusatyr wrote:

May there not be relevant Satellite film that could pinpoint explosion?

Mar 10, 2014 2:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

Kungciaw, DaleG, and krusatyr raised interesting points. krusatyr’s satellite film has been checked and has revealed nothing at this time but may reveal more with more detailed study. Kungciaw’s EMP device would likely require a government to make it; the plane’s fall would likely be on satellite film; and debris on the ocean’s surface should be present. DaleG’s black boxes should reveal the plane’s location; they should survive normal aerial disintegration; and the plane’s destruction should be on film.

Communications monitoring aircraft should seek signals from black boxes and film from satellites should be examined in greater detail for the plane.

Mar 10, 2014 4:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

At the time that news reports indicated that the 777 turned and they lost contact , the same report stated that the aircraft had fuel for about 7 hours fight.
A 500 knots that would meant hat the extended range could be between 3500 and 4000 miles and that a landing inside of eastern Iran would be possible.
Approaching from the southeast along the southern border of Iran has fewer radars capable of tracking such a flight.
The question would be why would Jihadist want to capture a 777?
Perhaps some plan to infiltrate this aircraft back into western operational airspace as an attacking aircraft.

Mar 10, 2014 5:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SDSteve wrote:

The lack of a radio distress call indicates a sudden, devastating event at cruising altitude. Aircraft like the 777 do not simply explode or come apart in the air, and mechanical failures give the crew time to make a distress call, assess the situation and develop a recovery or alternate landing plan. It is very similar to the Lockerbie terrorist bombing. If it develops that the Iranian regime did it, the harshest possible sanctions, including military retaliation, are fully justified.

Mar 10, 2014 5:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Another drone strike brought to you by Team Obama?

Mar 10, 2014 5:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Vuenbelvue wrote:

Maybe it was a new weapon being tested from Russia’s Space Station, aka, International Space Station without another host country transporting the astronauts but “Russia”, who knows?

Mar 10, 2014 5:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ray2go wrote:

Hong Kong International Airport received report of discovering a large amount of debris floating on ocean at Thành phố Vũng Tàu. According to on.cc, the report has been forwarded to Malaysia Government and their search is now widened to that area.

Mar 10, 2014 6:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ray2go wrote:

According National Post, debris was reported by Cathay Pacific pilot over Vung Tau.

Mar 10, 2014 6:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ray2go wrote:

According National Post, debris was reported by Cathay Pacific pilot over Vung Tau.

Mar 10, 2014 6:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
john7 wrote:

jdp…1 if plane expolded in air a lot of debree would be floating in the sea.

2. many other countries radar Thailand, Vietman and Chhina also should have been tracking the plane.

3. if transponder was turned off this would be a sudden drop from radar.
4. possible faulty radar equipment,no other aircraft during the time was goin on or off the screen.

5. # 3 with possable bad guys on the plane # 3 is the most possible scenario, hijacked plane

Mar 10, 2014 6:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Diginet wrote:

Not only they lost they relatives, the worse is that don’t know nothing about them. Maybe this is a kidnapping that ends with fligth crash. If that were the case, then the plane will not be in the expected area could be in any other area. If a plane explodes during the fligth, I think it should be possible to find any floating parts. If this were a problem with the plane, the pilot will repoted that. Only a strange presurization case like that happened in greece could sleep everybody, but the probability that this happened and the plane drop into the sea without damage is unthinkable and this will be the only case where the plane sinks into the sea without leave any floating parts.

Mar 10, 2014 6:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
john7 wrote:

jdp

if the plane crashed radar did not show decent; What happened to the black box pings indicating a crash?pings should be heard many miles away from crash site.

Mar 10, 2014 6:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

This is a curious one, indeed. With no debris being spotted, thus far, this is a real head-scratcher. It sounds as though enough high-quality search assets have been deployed – over a huge area.

If it went down in the water, it’s reasonable that there should have been a detection of the flight recorder box locator “pinger,” by now.

If it was hijacked, where would it go; and why? Given its range, it could reach a lot of destinations. But, with no reports of a ‘strange’ aircraft landing, what “closed” airport or air base might be possible? Any possibilities in Malaysia? Is the oil slick evidence of “fuel dumping?”

Was there a “special” cargo on board? “Special” people?

The South Pacific nations have a huge Muslim population; but if this is a hijacking, this is a major ‘stretch’ for any probable (“usual”) terrorist groups. It would take a lot of well-planned circuit breaker pulling to (adequately) electronically silence the aircraft; just for starters. But, why no claims or demands, by now?

Any chance that North Korea is totally desperate for some technology to reverse-engineer?

This may uniquely be an “intelligence” problem. Are there more to come?

The simplest (nigh unto probable) answer remains that it’s ‘somewhere’ on the ocean floor, awaiting discovery. As Einstein said: “The absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.”

We wait.

Mar 10, 2014 7:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ScootKB1978 wrote:

I hate to say this, but there is only one thing that would completely obliterate a massive jet liner and leave no debris or fuel — a nuke.

Was there a nuke on that plane…?

Mar 10, 2014 7:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlbruddjr wrote:

CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND

Mar 10, 2014 7:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dwjoyce wrote:

Perhaps we s should look at this another way. There can be found no evidence of wreckage or of people. If the plane could not be tracked by radar, why? Does anyone remember Flight 19 out of Florida( is not from the movie it was real). Maybe it was taken from the sky> I have not seen any UFOS for a long while and with the 9/11 factor and high tech in the fore front does one look up any more?

Mar 10, 2014 7:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dwjoyce wrote:

Look to the skies you would be surprised at what you see!!!! Ok taken is a far stretch. I do hope the people are found and brought home to loved ones, I can not but think about ET’s Maybe the time has come around again.

Mar 10, 2014 8:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

If one look at a typical plane, the tail end is thinner and I suspect there are four terrorists onboard, each with limited undetectable ‘shoe bomber’ explosives, combined them together to make a bomb. Not quite strong to explode in mid cabin perhaps, so they need to find the back of plane where chance to cause rupture is greatest. Since no fuel tank there, there is no explosion and after a flameless explosion, plane lost electronics, thus no radar contact and glide towards ocean perhaps. The apparent U turn of plane could be pilot desperately trying to find a landing spot. This also explain why US military satellites did not detect anything. Also note that there were five baggage removed as ticket holders did not board. Question is do they belong to other potential terrorists who don’t need to board when the four onboard are enough to make a bomb?

Mar 10, 2014 8:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

I don’t know if anyone remembers the crash after 911 in NYC? It happened in October and brought down a plane over a neighborhood on the far side of Brooklyn. It was noted at the time that the neighborhood was also home to many firefighters that died in September. A woman named Mrs. Dallas was heard on the TV (she had a very strong New Yawrk (Mark Twain did this better) accent. I was about to go out for a job inspection as she said she saw flames over the wing close to the body.

Subsequent stories about the crash omitted her testimony and there was no further mention of Mrs. Dallas from Brooklyn. I think they tried to say it had something to do with the tail section. Not long after, there was a story about an underwear bomber and a shoe bomber It isn’t hard to accept that there was an earlier underwear or shoe bomber and the story of the first attack had been squelched to avoid panic and perhaps disruption of normal life. After all, air travel is a vital part of normal commercial and personal life and it isn’t unreasonable to try to avoid a collapse of confidence in the service (again) and the investors don’t like to get burned either (that’s not so forgivable). I can’t really argue with it. After all, what good does it do to cause fear of attack? I remember vividly Mrs. Dallas’s eyewitness account of the plane flying in flames over the East River from Newark. It had to have been Newark because she said she was standing on an esplanade in either Manhattan or Brooklyn, but I can’t quite remember all the details. This is a complex world and loose ends don’t have to meet exactly. They just have to sound plausible for most.

It isn’t exactly something to loose sleep over. Only caffeinated coffee does that anymore. And I won’t stop flying if I can ever afford to, or have a reason to.

I figure they are doing the same with this story. Didn’t China and Russia both just suffer attacks on civilians on the mainland? Big targets tend to catch flack. The authorities could simply be suppressing any evidence of a crash they may be finding or the Vietnamese oil slick is not something they want to hear about or they aren’t acceptable witnesses? China and many countries in the Far East don’t like to allow free and easy flows of information, recall? Do we really think the tiger has changed it stripes overnight? They like very structured “realities”. They must also appreciate how easily their own people can have attacks of mass hysteria. It is only within the last two generation in China that their people attained high levels of literacy and many still cling to superstitions.

It isn’t so much that authorities can lie: it’s how much can you stand that’s more the issue. My belief muscles are getting pretty slack, actually, and I’m sure I don’t notice most of them. I’m usually willing to accept “plausible”.

Of course there are always “devils triangles” but this wasn’t near it was it? That’s out of date anyway as supernatural fads go.

Mar 10, 2014 8:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dr_Steve wrote:

Maybe the airliner is where the missing Bitcoins are.

Mar 10, 2014 8:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

If they can’t find the plane, does that also mean no one can press claims against the airline?

Mar 10, 2014 9:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Solli wrote:

Terrorists like to cause terror – likely they would have boasted of their ‘success’ by now.

Mar 10, 2014 9:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beefallo wrote:

Apparently the water depth in the suspected crash area is not that deep; 200′ .

Why not send ASAP the closest US NAVY fast attack sub to carefully “listen” and

navigate underwater in a logical search grid pattern. I’m sure the underwater environment

with crabs, anchor chain, propeller noise might confuse the issue, however the

aircraft beacon, if operational might be detected!

Mar 10, 2014 9:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hnguyen wrote:

Searches should be carried out within the surface that the at-the-time-available on board fuel was able to travel.

The assumption that the aircraft exploded mid-air is stupid ignorance. Debris should have been easily found if this had been the case.

Mar 10, 2014 9:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
msFans wrote:

I’m starting to think the people with the hijacking theory might not be that far off. Looking at the world map, it would be possible to fly the plane to Pakistan to refuel, then on to Tehran. Those two countries are pretty cosy. It’s already been stated that the two fake/stolen passport users were Iranian, so if they could have successfully taken over the plane and switched off all transponders, the plane would disappear from radar – or would it not? It would also explain why the plane “appeared” to be turning around…and why there is not even the tiniest bit of evidence of any kind of plane crash of any sort.
It’s a crazy idea, but anything is really possible at this point and if any country would be crazy enough to try and pull off a stunt like that it would be Iran. Other than North Korea, it is the most secretive regime out there (unless we are talking about OUR most “transparent administration” haha).

Mar 10, 2014 9:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gee.la wrote:

The support of terrorism will cause the end of western societal standard and system soon, because this support is against humanity and considered to be evil.

Mar 10, 2014 10:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
drknrg wrote:

As I said several days ago, it might be worse (for flyers) if the plane broke up at altitude…without any “terrorism” involved

Mar 10, 2014 10:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ChangB wrote:

Putting aside the possible terrible loss of life and concentrating solely on the mystery of where the plane is. here is my suspicion.
The pilot hijacked the plane and flew it somewhere landing safely. here’s why I think it.

1. Pilot had a flight simulator at home, even though he was a training pilot and therefore had access to a real simulator.
2. He had a simulator at home so he could work out how to make a plane disappear, without raising suspicion by doing simulations in a commercial facility.
3. All tracking devices on the plane including black boxes are not transmitting, so they could have been turned off or never activated.
4. Not one single distress call was made.
5. The plane’s wreckage if it did explode or crash has not been found when it should have been found by now.
6. USA spy satellites did not detect an explosion in the air over the area the plane was flying.

I believe the plane has been flown somewhere and landed safely. China has some landing strips on some remote islands within flying distance and there is always North Korea although I think unlikely.

Mar 10, 2014 11:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Have they scrutinized the cargo that went on board MH370? Were there any dangerous goods?

Mar 10, 2014 11:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BuyGuns wrote:

Here is what I think happened…..a Terrorist homemade bomb went off, did enough damage for pilot to lose control of aircraft, but aircraft remained in tact. It then nose dived towards the sea. It just happen to hit head on, like a knife edge, and immediately submerged with a rapid deceleration, but essentially remained in tact structurally. I am sure the Engines departed the wings on impact, but they will not float, so down they went as well. They will find the plane almost fully intact as bottom of the sea floor. Hence, no fuel slick, etc, save maybe a small amount. If you look at a jet head on, it’s basically a long tube, with relatively thin leading edges of the wings showing. It probably cut through the water like butter, and kept going after slowing rapidly. It would have had to hit just right. Remember the Swiss Air MD-11 that did the nose dive into the water, but that was shallow water. It went under the water, but blew into thousands of pieces from impacting just below the surface. Had the water been deep, it too would have gone straight in, and kept going, just like a diver from a high cliff dive. Very little splash, but hits like a knife edge at rapid speed and goes until the diver arches and swims back up. This plane did not arch up. The 777 is built like a tank. It is a strong aircraft structurally. Some may say well why did it not resurface a bit after slowing under the water? Well I am sure the Cockpit Windscreens shattered on impact, killing the pilots instantly, and water filled the “Tube” all the way to the rear of the cabin rapidly, and there was just no way for the plane to resurface in any capacity. So……Other than aliens, or some terrorist James Bond stuff, that is where and how they will find this plane.

Mar 10, 2014 11:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ChangB wrote:

Could the plane have made it to Somalia undetected? Did the plane have enough fuel?

Mar 10, 2014 11:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ChangB wrote:

Could the plane have made it to Somalia undetected? Did the plane have enough fuel?

Mar 10, 2014 11:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
KM14JH wrote:

No debris found and a theory that the plane may have turned around within an hour of the flight takeoff. Heard that the plane had just been inspected. With hacking ability today – is it at all possible that the radar signal was disabled so it disappeared from radar and then turned back where it then landed for modifications? If the radar signal could be disabled – could it not be altered to mimic another planes’ radar code? My prayers go out to the family and friends of those onboard.

Mar 10, 2014 11:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

ChangB

You are probably right. The pilot stealing the plane and flying below the radar to a secret airstrip in China is far more likely than the plane being hard to find because it is lying in pieces on the bottom of the sea.

Mar 10, 2014 11:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Gibsongisha wrote:

With this day in technology and with almost everyone having a smartphone, I would think that if there was 1-2 minutes of awareness something was going on texts would have gone out or calls just like with 9-11. Can phone records be traced or isn’t there someway of tracking a cell phone where it is at? If there are no record of calls and/or texts I feel this incident happened suddenly without warning. No I am far from an expert but wondering if the plane crashed in the jungles of Vietnam? By now with so many vessels and air craft searching the waters something would have been found by now if not any day now.

Mar 10, 2014 12:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MindFreak wrote:

This is gonna be shown on the next Chris Angel…. prepare to be “blown” away…

Mar 11, 2014 1:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@Bakhtin &ChangB- What would be the point of stealing the plane? The plane was carrying Chinese nationals and others. No one has claimed anyone is asking for ransom. If they were, would we hear about it at all? Like many kidnapping cases, that is something that is often kept secret to protect the victims at the demand of the kidnapper. Kidnapping is extortion and they don’t want the law involved.

Someone who knows the laws of Malaysia and or China would be in better position to know whether a plane that can’t be proven lost, or if the passengers are indeed dead, may leave their survivors in a never never land without legal rights to collect damages from the airline. The airline might be able to claim that they have no proof that the plane is lost? I don’t know that would work here? Your baroque analysis may make it easier to claim they were being held somewhere and law enforcement must have time to resolve the issue? That could take months or even years of delay?

It seems far more likely the plane was sabotaged, even on the ground and or broke up due to metal fatigue. Metal fatigue doesn’t seem as likely as an explosion that would rip and burn. If the contents fell 35,000 feet and were in flames, that might account for why so little floating debris is found. Fabrics and plastics would burn or melt and sink. That is if debris isn’t being ignored or can be spotted amid other trash. The ocean off the coast of the far eastern countries is filthy and they have no real environmental protections. Most of the trash in the Pacific originates from there.

In a few days bodies might start to float as they decay and if something hasn’t eaten them? Don’t underestimate the role of greed in modern life. The plane may not have received the best ground care or preventive maintenance and was being overworked? There isn’t anything in the articles so far that say how old the plane was. I didn’t notice it. The airline is liable for the deaths and that could cost them millions.

Reuters is aggravating in that they seldom follow up on strange stories if it takes too long to resolve. This interest in this story may fade in a few days and that will be the last we hear of the mystery disappearance.

Mar 11, 2014 1:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

another thing – falling debris on fire could burn fiercely because it’s being fanned (like a furnace) during a 35,000 feet fall. The bodies hitting the water would be crushed and loose the air in the lungs and become heavier than water. It’s the air in the lungs or the gass of decay that make a body buoyant. If the body is burnt, perhaps there is no way for the gasses to build up and they will never float? The skin acts like a balloon and they may have no skin intact?

Mar 11, 2014 1:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BaiJiuUSA wrote:

there is a larger concept here that has not been touched upon…

the plane tickets, of the two gentlemen, were purchased through Beijing because of their lower cost.

i have no idea about terrorism. but apparently China is not locked into interpol. these are international tickets and would have been immediately redflagged. when buying this type of ticket, you must submit identification (passport) and the numbers must match when getting on the plane. something is amiss here.

Mar 11, 2014 2:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
VinnyBooboo wrote:

Those who think Malaysia is a 3rd-world country are ignorant idiots. Malaysia’s per capita GDP (PPP) is $19K, which is hardly “3rd world”. And Malaysia has had one of the best economic records in Asia, with GDP growing an average 6.5 per cent annually from 1957 to 2005. In 2011, the GDP (PPP) was about $450 billion, the third largest economy in ASEAN and the 29th largest in the world.

Mar 11, 2014 3:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
zhyachts wrote:

If, at the point where the transponder failed, a complete electrical, communication and propulsion failure occurred than we can assume the plane was gliding. We can than assume the pilot was attempting a successful water landing. A hull breach on contact could rapidly flood the plane which would sink with minimum floating debris..

A duplicate flight with a similar aircraft descending on course at glide angle from the transponder failure point will show the altitude that the plane drops off the radar. Plotting a course from that point using the glide angle, assuming the pilot was not turning during the glide (unlikely), will determine of the approximate water contact point where an expanding circle sonar search should be started..

Mar 11, 2014 4:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TommasoT wrote:

Bomb? No debris..yet. Loss of life? If it crashed, yes. Remote hijack, possible, motive unknown. Other?
Let’s examine another mystery disappearance. Valentich was flying a single engined Cessna from Melbourne, when he was ‘taken’ by a large UFO, this according to THE GOVT. REPORT! His final radio transmission ended with a buzzing sound. See Valentich Wikipedia for his full radio transmissions. (2+2 equalled 4).

According to a statement a few days ago by a pilot in the air at the time of Malaysian’s, M, disappearance, all planes were asked to try to contact M. This MUST have been AFTER M had lost contact with Air Traffic Control. This pilot reported that he received a response transmission of mumbling then a buzzing sound. Straits Times. (did 2+2 equal 4 again, maybe).

Could a UFO be large enough to ‘swallow’ a 777. Yes. One race has a 10
mile diameter ship, with 130,000 on board, and is fully self-contained, It travels
the Universes and galaxies covering billions of light years in a few minutes. Science fiction or fantasy? Neither. Open www.theyfly.com for an awakening.

Am I a nutter off my meds. Nah. Sometimes 2+2 makes 4, even if you have been brainwashed to believe that there is no 4.

Mar 11, 2014 6:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
alphaaa wrote:

An on board EMP attack is very likely, it explains why the plane did not explode, signal were off and could not be found because it was gliding with limited control for a distance, probably for 100km+ easily. So to those who can talk to the rescuer and searcher, please spread out, and try and think like the pilot, if you were gliding, where would you take the place to?? Please do that…. these people need your help.

Mar 11, 2014 8:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Avivi wrote:

Bermuda triangle 99%

Mar 11, 2014 8:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@TommasoT – As charming as is the notion that the plane was abducted by a large space ship, the fact remains that over 200 passengers didn’t arrive at their destination and that leaves the airline with the liability for their lives.

Are Aliens on an intergalactic joy ride and they get a kick out of bringing disruption, agony, and grief to those and the relations of those they “sample”?

They sound like intergalactic idiots or irresponsible children.

“Brainwashing” has little to do with whether people accept beings from outer space. Most don’t think about what there is little to think about with any sense of reliability.

BTW – do you think that if creatures from outer space ever made their presence known in very obvious and unequivocal ways, that would be an easy knowledge to accept for most people on earth?

My hunch is it would not and many would suffer nervous breakdowns. You underestimate the fragility of human consciousness. I wonder sometimes if the Aztecs and Mayans died in such large numbers in the New World not only because of the introduction of diseases brought from another continent but also due to a sense of confusion when their whole concept of the universe was shattered by the invaders. It might have hampered their ability to defend themselves as inadequate as that ability was anyway.

What do you think the next day would be like on earth, if we found out unequivocally? And here is seldom a truly unequivocal proof for most things, especially those one can’t walk up and put one’s hands and fingers on, so to speak), haven’t you noticed? Many people can just as easily think a proof is a hoax. Human beings are not in the habit of speaking truthfully.

Do you think beings from another planet would be wiling to submit to being universally groped, by our inner gorillas? People would also be very inclined to see them as God on earth and be very stupid in dealing with them.

Doubting Thomas had better access and even “the Lord’s” flocks were sheered by the shepherds, always it was maintained, for their own good.

It is far more likely the plane was destroyed mid air. The planet is embroiled in at least three intractable conflicts and they don’t stay within tidy boundaries.

Mar 11, 2014 11:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
This discussion is now closed. We welcome comments on our articles for a limited period after their publication.