Exclusive: Malaysia plane probe narrows on mid-air disintegration - source

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pistils wrote:

disintegrated in mid-flight

Is that some politically correct obfuscation for a terrorist attack?

Mar 09, 2014 12:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pbgd wrote:

A mid-air disintegration would have left thousands of fragments spread over the ocean surface. A sudden dive into the ocean, on the other hand, may not leave any debris except an oil slick.

Mar 09, 2014 12:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rrllbb wrote:

Disintegration highly unlikely.

Mar 09, 2014 12:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
boomerang wrote:

Except that 103 came down in two large pieces, which doesn’t appear to support the disintegration argument at all. I suspect that there is much unreleased information.

Mar 09, 2014 12:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RogersParker wrote:

What about all the satellites we’ve got floating around the planet? Couldn’t there be one in the vicinity that would have caught a mid-air explosion on camera? In this era of GPS and cameras everywhere, there has to be some kind of surveillance of that part of the world–somewhere. My thoughts and prayers remain with the friends and families of those missing loved ones on Flight 370.

Mar 09, 2014 12:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jacqmorgan wrote:

pbgd wrote:
“A mid-air disintegration would have left thousands of fragments spread over the ocean surface. A sudden dive into the ocean, on the other hand, may not leave any debris except an oil slick.”

I would have thought a plane diving into the ocean would have been torn apart leaving physical evidence on the ocean’s surface.

Mar 09, 2014 12:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

UFO’s did it. Seriously why are they afraid to announce the plane was hijacked? How about a theory that actually has a chance of holding up. Facts the pilot was a tech wiz perfectly capable of messing with the planes gear so its untrackable or show up on radar as a different plane. Four people on board using fake identities which is the ideal amount of people to hijack a plane. The oil slicks could be totally unrelated because they are common in areas with high amounts of traffic from shipping lanes and dumping. This story is getting more and more ridiculous. Maybe there is a good reason they don’t want to admit that this plane has gone missing and are trying to regulate the attention its getting. Another fact that strikes me as odd it the dare I say quarantine or the families. Don’t get me wrong I get that the airport is making a point of being hospitable but it does hit a point where some of these people are thinking that being there although comfortable is not home with family and friends whom everyone turns to in times of loss. Now if there was a ransom situation happening this would make perfect sense. Does anyone else get vibes something else is going on?

Mar 09, 2014 1:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Small side note even when considering the media aspect I don’t see why the families can’t stay out of sight at home but at the airport. Second, why did they not test the oil they would have known right away if it was the type that the airlines use? they follow pretty strict guidelines you would think that the grade and type used would be different then the make up of common pollutants or those used in boats.

Mar 09, 2014 1:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Small side note even when considering the media aspect I don’t see why the families can’t stay out of sight at home but at the airport. Second, why did they not test the oil they would have known right away if it was the type that the airlines use? they follow pretty strict guidelines you would think that the grade and type used would be different then the make up of common pollutants or those used in boats.

Mar 09, 2014 1:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
josh1985 wrote:

@SarahPa, only Mormons have never blown anything up and probably aren’t being scrutinized in this investigation.

Mar 09, 2014 1:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RickBurgoon wrote:

Gee SanPa, how many Mormons have killed Muslims over religious beliefs, or cut off hands, or raped women who are Christian or ya know, blown things up? The thing about libs is this…they think they are smart, but because they can not think, it sorta explains how they can see Obama as a god. Grow up son.

Mar 09, 2014 1:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
glowgreen wrote:

A nuclear bomb couldn’t disintegrate a plane. Nothing can. Not this plane. Not Flight 93.
If the plane exploded, there would be debris. Large pieces of metal. Engines. Personal effects. Lots of debris.

Mar 09, 2014 1:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MrDallas wrote:

Good point San, but when was the last time a Mormon subside bomber attacked?

Mar 09, 2014 1:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dd606 wrote:

Airliners don’t just disappear, no matter what happens to them. Their search efforts are apparently, about as good as their boarding security efforts.

Mar 09, 2014 1:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bruce333 wrote:

Yeah Sanpa Those Mormons blow up planes all the time…… : 0

Mar 09, 2014 1:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pythonicus wrote:

Indonesia has the largest Muslim population.

Mar 09, 2014 1:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
matrat wrote:

Regardless if the individuals using the passports had anything to do with this tragedy it makes it ever more clear that biometrics need to be part of the international passport / airline check in system… A passport linked to a finger print, voice pattern, face scan, etc would have prevented these two individuals from proceeding past passport and airport security.

Mar 09, 2014 1:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
prcauch wrote:

Seriously SanPa? That the US, where LDS/Mormonism was founded would have the highest concentration astonished you? When you go out for a ride are you astonished that the red lights turn green?

Mar 09, 2014 1:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mb56 wrote:

@RickBurgoon: And exactly why would a Muslim see an American-born, practicing Christian as “a God”?

Mar 09, 2014 1:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AnatolKuragin wrote:

I agree with pbgd.

If the aircraft disintegrated in mid-air there would be a huge amount of flotsam (including hundreds of flotation seat cushions, luggage and even corpses floating over a wide area)

This aircraft probably plunged into the ocean largely intact at a steep dive. It was probably a deliberate action causing lack of control (bomb etc) or remotely it’s possible that it could have been a crew initiated suicide.

Even more remotely it could have been mechanical failure.

The big clue is people flying on assumed names with fake document and the unexpected turn prior to crashing into the sea.

In this day of world wide high bandwidth data communications why is there no constant data link between on-board flight recorders and cloud storage. If I can get gigabytes for “free” why cant jumbo jets get some too.

Mar 09, 2014 1:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ChuckShire wrote:

Yes SanPa and to date I have never yet heard of one Mormon involved in or attached to any terrorist activities or organizations.

Mar 09, 2014 1:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Davidlw wrote:

GaryMN The majority of Muslims are peace loving people. Not all Muslims are terrorists. Unfortunately, it is true that the majority of terrorists are Muslim.

Mar 09, 2014 1:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mb56 wrote:

I would think that the fact that multiple people traveling under stolen passports were on this flight makes a natural disaster highly unlikely… what would be the odds of *TWO* stolen passports winding up on the same plane randomly – and then that plane having a natural disaster in mid-flight?

On the other hand… terrorism against a plane filled mostly with Chinese citizens makes no sense either… a very strange situation.

Mar 09, 2014 1:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jonger1150 wrote:

“Mormon Extremists have been suspected to have carried out the attack”

Said no one ever.

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TagIamit wrote:

Valu-Jet went nose down into a swamp and left little to no debris if you’ll recall. Boeing 777 IS the wing and where the fuel tanks are located…two slicks could mean the wings exploded separately… we’ll only know with more data.

Mar 09, 2014 2:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stanleycustom wrote:

SanPa, It may be the reason the US has the highest concentration of Mormons it that it was founded here, has been around less than 200 years and one is not forced to become a Mormon under penalty of death.

Mar 09, 2014 2:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SuzanneC wrote:

Maligning an entire religion based on the activities of a tiny extremist minority is certainly the bigoted thing to do. Says more about the people who are suggesting that. More than it says about Muslims.

Sometimes it actually takes time to figure out why these things happen. Show a little maturity and wait for some actual evidence before you go off halfcocked.

Mar 09, 2014 2:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pologuy wrote:

Let us see. Who causes more grief the Mormons or the Muslims?
A simple inquiry.

Mar 09, 2014 2:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jns.esq wrote:

“[T]he source said there was no evidence yet of foul play and that the aircraft could have broken up due to mechanical issues.”

Yeah… Muslim robots maybe.

Mar 09, 2014 2:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MJC1964 wrote:

Mormons and Muslims aside; Dec 5, 1945, Flight 19; Jan. 17, 1949, Star Ariel; Feb. 4, 1963, The SS Marine Sulphur Queen; U.S.S. Cyclops was lost at sea in 1918; Dec. 10, 1941, The USS Nereus; Nov. 23, 1941 The USS Proteus. Granted, these were all lost without a trace in the Bermuda Triangle – and I doubt the Malaysian plane was that far off course. I wonder if anyone has considered Aliens – not the illegal kind we here in CA have 11 million of – the other ones. You know, the ones that live in Area 51 LMAO. It was a thought.

Mar 09, 2014 2:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gutsygirl wrote:

If, as reported, there was an American citizen on that plane, Obama cannot look the other way. Wanna bet?

@RickBurgoon: Excellent!

Mar 09, 2014 2:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ijaz1000 wrote:

The plane is still missing…..it is suggested to plane manufaturers to embed white color,paint,or powder or smoke with planes and ships ,it will spill on sea surface after the crash and the rescue teams will spot the crash site very quickly and easily. this is ijaz tariq a telecomm engineer from pakistan

Mar 09, 2014 2:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ejl623 wrote:

Honest question…How does a plane this size just disintegrate in mid-flight?

Mar 09, 2014 2:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

There is cause to suspect an attack related to Muslim Uighur conflict with Buddhist Chinese. China is waging western style genocide by flooding Uighur areas with ethnic Chinese. It is reported that a large number of Chinese Buddhists were aboard returning from a conference. There were also Muslim Uighur activists aboard. Follow up at www DOT stormfront DOT org/forum/t1028299/#post11949373

Mar 09, 2014 2:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rocque wrote:

From recent posts and other articles:

1. The odds of two stolen passports on the same plane and then a natural disaster? Not very likely at all.

2. No warning at all. No transmission? Probably a sudden event. However, there was one report indicating that the plane may have tried to turn around which could indicate mechanical problems or terrorists aboard.

3. Why would terrorists board a plane with mainly Chinese passengers? Why do they kill innocent people in the first place? Terrorists never kill anyone but innocent people so you cannot apply any form of reason when discussing these people.

4. How did two people with stolen passports both evade detection? Partly an inside job? That may explain why the passengers were not western. Perhaps they were seeking easy targets. After all, terrorists main intent is just to kill, they don’t particularly care who.

Mar 09, 2014 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Hey all … Muslims aren’t nurtured with grenade pins as surrogate pacifiers. And the point to the comment about Morons … like, so what if anything does a faith add to this event?

Should all in the US senselessly fear Christians, as history would show that people in the name of their faith held inquests, crusades, burnings, and other despicable acts. Terry Nichols is a Christian … and an OK City bomber … is that YOUR proof that ALL Christian are necessarily bombers from birth?

Mar 09, 2014 2:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rcbutcher wrote:

One AP report states : “Depending on the circumstances of the crash, wreckage can be scattered over many square kilometers (miles). If the plane enters the water before breaking up, there can be relatively little debris.”. See http://news.yahoo.com/vietnam-says-may-found-missing-jets-door-161951222.html

Yet Reuters reports : “The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet,” said the source, who is involved in the preliminary investigations in Malaysia.

If the plane had plunged intact from such a height, breaking up only on impact with the water, search teams would have expected to find a fairly concentrated pattern of debris, said the source, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the investigation.”

Who is this “source” ?

Mar 09, 2014 2:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Hey all … Muslims aren’t nurtured with grenade pins as surrogate pacifiers. And the point to the comment about Morons … like, so what if anything does a faith add to this event?

Should all in the US senselessly fear Christians, as history would show that people in the name of their faith held inquests, crusades, burnings, and other despicable acts. Terry Nichols is a Christian … and an OK City bomber … is that YOUR proof that ALL Christian are necessarily bombers from birth?

Mar 09, 2014 2:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sara2014 wrote:

dd606 wrote:
Airliners don’t just disappear, no matter what happens to them. Their search efforts are apparently, about as good as their boarding security efforts.

Yes they DO just disappear – such as the debris of the 2 planes that flew into WTC, 1 into Pentagon and 1 into field in Pennsylvania .. do some research about how the airline crash forensics reconstructed THOSE planes — NOT!!!! There was NO NONE ZERO (real) jet debris recovered or analyzed. (yet there WAS some PLANTED debris .. )

Brainwashing doesn’t EXIST either!

Mar 09, 2014 2:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ejl623 wrote:

@rocque I just watched a news report claiming that the passengers holding said passports also bought their tickets together…making it even more unlikely

Mar 09, 2014 2:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Yes SanPa, but Mormons don’t blow things out of mid-air by donning vests of mass destruction.

Mar 09, 2014 2:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bagpiper13 wrote:

GaryMN, Indonesia has the largest Muslim population of any country.

Mar 09, 2014 2:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
daedilus wrote:

SanPa

You named one christian bomber.

If you worked at it, you might be able to name 3 or 4…

I would list the named of Muslim Bomber here, but unfortunately the internet isn’t large enough to contain such a comprehensive list…

Tool.

Mar 09, 2014 2:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RobertHoward wrote:

GaryMN wrote: “I was surprised to learn, when visiting there that, Malaysia has the largest Muslim population of any country.”

Actually it’s Indonesia, next door, that has the largest Muslim population. Malaysia is a much smaller country and is only about half Muslim.

Also, FWIW, suicide bombing (including the use of explosive vests) was pioneered by Hindus – the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.

Mar 09, 2014 2:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
orabi wrote:

I feel sorry for the plan passengers relatives .a good study of the wind direction that day will lead to the place and as pdgd said it is hard to find a clue unless some floating pieces manged to get out of the plan look for it fast before it spreed further .

Mar 09, 2014 3:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dencal26 wrote:

Mormons aren’t known to blow up civilian jets

Mar 09, 2014 3:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dencal26 wrote:

pbg
disintegration at 35,000 feet would leave debris in much smaller parts spread out over thousands of miles. Hard to detect.

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DrKM wrote:

Dear Reuters’ Editor:

Today, I found the following article.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-pictures-claimed-be-showing-wreckage-plane-posted-chinese-1439484

If it is true, the passenger on the flight MH361 flew around the Hon Khoai at 08/03/2014 06:45am (07/03/2014 22:45 UTC).
The location is probably 8.71 N, 106.48 E.
http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-03-07/22:45/12x/MAS361

As a new possibility, you can advise the authorities to search this area.
I hope that the missing place be found as soon as possible …

Mar 09, 2014 3:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

SanPa: And not one of those Mormons has ever committed an act of mass murder known as “terrorism”.

Mar 09, 2014 3:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AugustWA wrote:

HOW is a bomb able to make it on to an airplane with all the security?

Mar 09, 2014 3:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
billyfisc wrote:

This has to be terrorism. No plane breaks up and disappears. This is a bomb by a Muslim extremists they are the certified nut jobs of the world today..

Mar 09, 2014 3:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

I pity the innocent victims onboard and many of the idiotic commenters online.

Mar 09, 2014 3:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mpmorgan wrote:

I tend not to believe in coincidences in such cases as this when passports have been stolen and, apparently, used by people to illegally board an aircraft which originated from a predominantly Muslim country and then disappears into the ocean. It would seem to me that the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. Namely that this is a terrorist incident caused by some catastrophic explosion.

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DanLef100 wrote:

Yes SanPa, there is a large population of Muslims in Malaysia and Indonesia. Moreover, it appears that Muslims are much more prone to blow-up jets, crash jets into buildings, and put suicide(homicide) vests on little kids and women. Mormons on the other hand don’t ever seem to blow up things.

Mar 09, 2014 3:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Isn’t 24/7/365/366 internet news GREAT!

Mar 09, 2014 3:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Isn’t 24/7/365/366 internet news GREAT!

Mar 09, 2014 3:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I’ll chime in after RickBurgoon, and if SanPa was astonished to learn that the USA has the largest concentration of Mormons of any country the I’ll just assume his education was somewhat limited.

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sudotrin wrote:

Is it really necessary to show this poor woman’s face in her grief? I thought Reuters was a few steps up (at least) from the Daily Mail. Leave the families be. Really.

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EnzyteBob wrote:

Disintegration = Bomb?

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RobertHoward wrote:

whofuggincares: Yes, when Mormons commit mass murder they call it “self-defense” (Mountain Meadows). They were 150 years ahead of Florida’s Stand Your Ground!

Mar 09, 2014 3:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I’ll chime in after RickBurgoon, and if SanPa was astonished to learn that the USA has the largest concentration of Mormons of any country then I’ll just assume his education was somewhat limited.

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allan1776 wrote:

Since Terry Nichols is often posited named as a Christian bomber in the absence of any real Christian terrorists in the USA here is something to ponder. http://www.cashill.com/terrorism/terry_nichols1of2.htm My condolences to family of the passengers and crew.

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evola33 wrote:

Who benefits, or thinks they benefit?

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drknrg wrote:

If terrorism, maybe this is a trial run?…I read not too long ago that the Al Queda shoe bomb maker Dude was experimenting again…

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Earthtourist wrote:

Could this airliner have been blown out of the sky by a China missile, if perhaps the suspicious persons on board threatened to crash it into Beijing ’9/11′ style !? Will we ever find out ?

Mar 09, 2014 4:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MatthewRyan wrote:

While terrorism like Korea Air Flight 858 is possible and China (and Chinese) curries negative feelings that would provoke terrorism, terrorist typically take credit for their acts. It’s hard to send a message, by killing a few hundred people, if people don’t know what the message was supposed to be or who it was from. Which is one reason the stabbing spree in China a couple of weeks ago is laughable as terrorism. The only data is from China, relatively low key and designed to implicate the usually peaceful Uyghur.

Mar 09, 2014 4:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ShutTheHellUp wrote:

SanPa ~ “I was astonished to learn that the USA has the largest concentration of Mormons of any country.”

Wrong. That would be Tonga followed by Samoa. The US comes in 14th with a 2% Mormon population.

Prattle on.

Mar 09, 2014 4:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jemini65 wrote:

How on earth did Mormons get dragged into this discussion? Muslims fly planes into buildings and blow up innocent people in the name of Allah. We “announce” to a country we are at war with (or going to war with), that we are coming, and WHEN we are leaving. Now who is the terrorists..Muslims or Mormons/Christians ?

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jabusse wrote:

RobertHoward. and Allan1776. Weren’t both the Mountain Meadows massacre and the KC bombing set up by government action? The Mountain Meadows by the way Mormons were run out and massacred in the east and the KC bombing by Janet Reno burning up 50 kids because one guy had or sold an unlicensed gun. They were both very well thought out and directed. Of course aircraft don’t just disintegrate and there are no other people blowing up planes anymore other than those who pretend to practice the islamic faith so it might be fair to assume there was a bomb on board given the hype in the news. With a bit of luck they will find something soon. I am surprised that no one has taken credit yet if it was terrorists. What’s the point of terrorism if no one knows you did it and why?

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I’ll chime in after RickBurgoon, and if SanPa was astonished to learn that the USA has the largest concentration of Mormons of any country then I’ll just assume his education was somewhat limited.

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normreef wrote:

My understanding is that 2 unknown persons boarded this flight with stolen passports. If that is indeed true they why: if the passports were known to be stolen then why wasn’t the Red Flag raised at time of checkin. Aren’t the passport country of origin and numbers checked by computers when the passport is scanned at checkin or is this not even done?

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Neslihan wrote:

If we assume that the “stolen-passports” jumped off the plane, that would be up to four doors opening at the same time. I don’t know what it would do to the debris.

Also, airline companies may consider limiting the number of same-company passengers they accept on a flight. 20 people from a hi-tech firm is giving some bastard a target.

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jesspin wrote:

Does anyone remember the Intel news story about a month ago, was reported as a credible threat of another show bomb on Airline type attack possibly. Americans have a short memory.

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2Borknot2B wrote:

That doesn’t make any since. There would be observable debris if this was the case. That is a lot of material and baggage and floatation devises on board that would be observable. It is possible the pilots were incapacitated and the plane did a nose dive into the ocean. That explains why the passengers didn’t have time to call because they couldn’t even move against the G-force. Could someone have gotten a bomb on board big enough to disintegrate the entire plane? Could there have been a ship below that had a SAM that would reach 35k feet altitude – doubtful. L.

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TheNewWorld wrote:

This was just another HAARP test. Test successful.

Mar 09, 2014 5:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@SanPa

“Yes, GaryMN. And I was astonished to learn that the USA has the largest concentration of Mormons of any country.”

You were astonished that the USA has the largest concentration of Mormons? You know that religion was founded by an American, in America right? Common sense would suggest that the majority of the followers would be in America.

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colarusso wrote:

I was totally surprised when I visited Italy that the vast majority are Catholic.

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FC_sonic wrote:

@jabusse

Please look up the Mountain Meadows massacre. All religions are connected to events that they’d rather forget.

Mar 09, 2014 5:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Mormon Terrorism:

Google Mountain Meadows Massacre.

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antoniusb wrote:

@GaryMN, the Malaysians would also be surprised to know that they are the most populous Muslim nation. Also shocked would be Indonesia, Pakistan, Turkey and Iran among others with larger Muslim populations.

Mar 09, 2014 6:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Babyfacemagee wrote:

Yes SanPa, but it is Muslims who conduct the vast majority of terrorist activity in the world, not Mormons. Nice try though.

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Swissik wrote:

Here is one woman’s opinion that this was a terrorist action. 1) two stolen passports together with sequentially numbered tickets is highly suspect, i.e. bought at the same time; 2) whenever the so called authorities proclaim that they don’t suspect terrorism, or that they believe it to be the last possibility after all others have been ruled out: it is terrorism!

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Babyfacemagee wrote:

mb56, I think before we link the occurrence of the two stolen passports to the increased probability of a terrorist attack, we need to know how often people with fake passports are able to board planes in Malaysia. Perhaps it is a very common occurrence with nearly all planes having some people with fake passports. First, we need to know that…then we can better ascertain the probabilities of the two on this plane.

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Babyfacemagee wrote:

mb56, I think before we link the occurrence of the two stolen passports to the increased probability of a terrorist attack, we need to know how often people with fake passports are able to board planes in Malaysia. Perhaps it is a very common occurrence with nearly all planes having some people with fake passports. First, we need to know that…then we can better ascertain the probabilities of the two on this plane.

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Babyfacemagee wrote:

mb56, I think before we link the occurrence of the two stolen passports to the increased probability of a terrorist attack, we need to know how often people with fake passports are able to board planes in Malaysia. Perhaps it is a very common occurrence with nearly all planes having some people with fake passports. First, we need to know that…then we can better ascertain the probabilities of the two on this plane.

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Chetty1 wrote:

What will it be next??? The media is grasping at straws. If it broke up at 35,000 feet there would be no oil slick as reported. Earlier they reported they found debris. (One piece of paper or something similar)

Let it go… stop guessing and putting out false stuff!!! Let the investigation take it’s course!!!

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Swissik wrote:

Here is one woman’s opinion that this was a terrorist action. 1) two stolen passports together with sequentially numbered tickets is highly suspect, i.e. bought at the same time; 2) whenever the so called authorities proclaim that they don’t suspect terrorism, or that they believe it to be the last possibility after all others have been ruled out: it is terrorism!

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Swissik wrote:

Here is one woman’s opinion that this was a terrorist action. 1) two stolen passports together with sequentially numbered tickets is highly suspect, i.e. bought at the same time; 2) whenever the so called authorities proclaim that they don’t suspect terrorism, or that they believe it to be the last possibility after all others have been ruled out: it is terrorism!

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Swissik wrote:

Here is one woman’s opinion that this was a terrorist action. 1) two stolen passports together with sequentially numbered tickets is highly suspect, i.e. bought at the same time; 2) whenever the so called authorities proclaim that they don’t suspect terrorism, or that they believe it to be the last possibility after all others have been ruled out: it is terrorism!

Mar 09, 2014 7:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ImaOjibwa wrote:

My deepest condolences to those whose loved ones are missing. I am so sorry for the heartache this causes each and every one of you. I know that there was a report of concern regarding the proximity of a missle fired Friday the 7th as it came dangerously close to a Chinese jet at about the same height. Im pretty sure North Korea won’t want to admit responsibility should they have decided to keep firing missiles after they related to another country they had finished doing so that day.Im not sure if a missile could prevent the debris from being appearent to searchers but I am sure they will fire missiles when they want no matter who is in the area,The report read North Korea was confident their missiles were extremely accurate and they were aware of the airline jet but positive and correct that the two would not collide. I pray they did not make a fatal choice.

Mar 09, 2014 7:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rogermontreal wrote:

Ummmm, Indonesia is the most Muslims and the US has the most morons. Lol

Mar 09, 2014 7:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cj_james wrote:

@Sanpa as pointed out above, America does not have the highest concentration of Mormons. Sounds like you just pull facts out of your rear end at random to try making a point that doesn’t make any sense….. When’s the last time a Mormon either attempted to blow up a plane or succeeded in blowing up a plane? When’s the last time a Muslim attempted to blow up a plane or succeeded in blowing up a plane.

The boarding of two passengers with fake documents is suspect when a plane just disappears with fears of disintegration mid flight. Authorities quick to dismiss terrorism is the problem. Instead of saying “we don’t think its terrorism” they can just as easily say “we haven’t ruled out terrorism yet, let us complete our investigation before speculating”

Mar 09, 2014 7:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Actually Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world, or about 13 percent of all Muslims. Malaysia is around #20.

Mar 09, 2014 7:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kentex1146 wrote:

A false flag event? It wouldn’t surprise me.

Mar 09, 2014 7:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jacobs wrote:

The term “SanPa” is Chinese, and is translated: “very dim bulb”.

The only examples that hardcore dim bulbs ever cite for “Christians” perpetrating a terrible act of mass violence is Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh, neither of whom were Christians. Real Christians believe in the sanctity of life, and they adhere to the Commandment “Thou shalt not murder.” If that’s all you got SanPa, you got nothin’.

To that I add my deepest condolences and sympathies to the victims and, especially, to the many relatives and friends who are hurting really bad right now.

Mar 09, 2014 7:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
imprettysmart wrote:

I guess you have to be republican to post comments on here, NEVER.

Mar 09, 2014 8:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reuterbot wrote:

Fragments and debris would be readily visible if a bomb or missile brought it down. However, if a state power was flexing its muscle, demonstrating that it too is a proud owner of a directed energy weapon…

Mar 09, 2014 8:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eleno wrote:

yes SanPa – Mormon don’t kill people. Indeed they value life. On the other hand Muslims……..

Mar 09, 2014 8:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eleno wrote:

yes SanPa – Mormon don’t kill people. Indeed they value life. On the other hand Muslims……..

Mar 09, 2014 8:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eleno wrote:

yes SanPa – Mormon don’t kill people. Indeed they value life. On the other hand Muslims……..

Mar 09, 2014 8:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
StevnBel wrote:

QUESTIONS

1. Can a high altitude disintegration explain an oil slick not oil particles?

2. Was a missile fired to bring down the plane?

3. Was a missile __ TEST __ fired and the 2 met accidentally?

4. Would an Asteroid or Comet explain a disintegration?
(1 to 4 simultaneous explosions = larger / smaller fragments (one trigger
and 1 or more bombs __ INSTEAD OF __ 1 or more A / C HITS
resulting in larger / smaller fragments).

5. DID ANYTHING FALL OUT OF ORBIT (satellite, space junk)?

Mar 09, 2014 9:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LOSTONE wrote:

Disintegration at 35K would leave floating pieces spread over the ocean for miles. A straight-in, on the other hand, would rip through the surface, submerging and compressing most of the aircraft. A Jet-A slick and a handful of parts on the surface is consistent with the findings so far, favoring a straight-in theory.

While criminal activity is about a 90% certainty at this point, the wing tip mishap in 2012 could have potentially caused spar damage inboard. Destruction of airliners caused by improper repairs from earlier minor accidents has happened several times in the past.

Mar 09, 2014 9:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
arizona69 wrote:

Only a bomb of significant energy could cause this unfortunately……..The last “unexplained” loss of a commercial airliner at sea was eventually acknowledged as an Egyptian Muslim Captain, who jumped his natural order of “flight shift” to drive the airliner and its hundreds of souls to their watery deaths, while screaming…..you know….”Allah Akbar” ….naturally our strange twisted media gave the report little attention and have long forgotten the matter……Their still waiting for the “Crazed Tea Party Member” who will scare children and swear loudly!

Mar 09, 2014 9:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DetteNYC wrote:

They are looking into 4 questionable passports, not 2. Increasingly more difficult to believe it’s a coincidence.

Mar 09, 2014 10:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GuestOoo wrote:

Here is the plot for the movie.
1. Two people with fake passports are the highjackers
2. All the passengers and crews were gassed.
3. Highjackers killed the pilots instantly so there was no distress signal
4. Highjackers take over plane and go into stealth mode with jammers
5. Plane lands in an unknown moving island not traceable by GPS with all passengers and crew on board dead but there were few survivors.
6. Plane will be used for terrorism and will be the ultimate stealth aircraft.
7. A new TV series season of LOST is created.
Where is the movie deal?

Mar 09, 2014 11:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DavidinWY wrote:

My guess is that the “Dream Liner” had problems, it is a new plane, it could be that the plane lost all electrical power and with that, it lost all connection with ground stations, lost all flight-control or fly-by-wire systems, the cabin air pressure and with the engines still roaring…it crashed into the sea. But not to worry, most of the passengers and crew were unconscious or dead due to lack of oxygen…

Mar 09, 2014 12:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Patrick668 wrote:

Even disintegrating at above 35,000 feet should leave a trail of debris, I think.

Mar 10, 2014 1:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Drame wrote:

This is not the new “Dreamliner”/787 but a 777 which in almost twenty years, has had only one other fatal incident (last year in San Francisco). Before this Malaysia Airlines crash, the worst incident was the breakup of the fictional Oceanic 815.

Mar 10, 2014 2:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
horkus1 wrote:

Wow @GuestOoo – you do realize these are actual lives we are talking about, right? You know, human beings with families and all that silly stuff. That movie outline you created is in fantastic taste. Just fantastic.

And @DavidinWy – this was not a Dream Liner. This was a 777. Dream Liner is a 787.

I think the notion that a plane can just simply disintegrate is beyond what any of us can comprehend. Does not mean it is impossible but it sure is hard to imagine. I just keep hoping that they will find something – anything – to give us some idea what in the hell happened here. These families need something to go on.

Mar 10, 2014 3:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

DavidinWY… it is an 11-year-old 777…

Mar 10, 2014 3:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

On the passports… what puzzles me is how on earth they could be not picked up at immigration. These flight left from KL, and the passports were non-Malaysian. If they were used by the holders to enter Malaysia, then Malaysia has another problem to answer: how could a stolen passport get through Malaysian immigration *twice*? If they were not used to enter Malaysia, then how the hell did no alarm bells ring when a foreign passport that never entered the country was trying to leave?

On the Islamophobes… a whole load of FoxBot right-wing talking points but little critical thinking.

First: basic logic. A correlation is not cause. Maybe Islam does correlate with suicide bombers etc but that does not mean being Islamic is the *cause*. For proof of how foolish that line of reasoning is, look at Africa where plenty of violence goes on without a Muslim in sight. An open mind would register that poverty, politics, land disputes etc are far more likely causes and the religion of the criminal is just a sideshow.

Second: definitions. ‘Terrorist’ is a term invented in the west (France, to be precise), and is very poorly defined, but all definitions are carefully written to exclude state agency. In simple words, governments frame ‘terrorist’ to exclude themselves from the definition. It is a case “you are terrorist because we define the term to make it so”.

If you get past the propaganda and consider the results, the picture changes. Ask a different question that is not deigned to exclude yourself: which religion has killed the most innocent civilians so far this century? The answer is Christianity. Second place is Judaism.

To condemn Muslims killing civilians, while turning a blind eye to the USA/Nato/Israel killing them in far greater numbers, is hugely hypocritical. If you are going to condemn killing civilians, condemn everybody who does it.

Mar 10, 2014 4:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DavidinWY wrote:

Ok, so I got the airframe wrong, but that plane was FULLY OPTICAL, FLY BY WIRE, and well, if the power goes out, the pilot can push buttons all he wants, guess what? The same goes for the communications, cabin air and flight recorders. You can’t flush the damned toilet without power! I’m sorry for the families, and their loved ones, those airplanes have had great records, but they have been playing whack-a-mole after every crash, and I’m tired of the manufacturers and airlines cutting corners with the idea that it’s cheaper to pay the fines then to fix the problems!

Mar 10, 2014 9:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

DavidinWY wrote:
“Ok, so I got the airframe wrong, but that plane was FULLY OPTICAL, FLY BY WIRE, and well, if the power goes out, the pilot can push buttons all he wants, guess what? The same goes for the communications, cabin air and flight recorders. You can’t flush the damned toilet without power!”

Actually, you got just about everything wrong. The 777 has mechanical backup:

“The difficulty in factually demonstrating that a momentary loss of all electrical power is extremely improbable led to the retention of a minimal mechanical backup system. Tests performed demonstrated that it is possible to maintain safe control in any configuration, over the entire flight envelope and CG range, by using only the rudder for yaw and roll and the trimmable horizontal stabilizer (THS) for pitch control.”

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.86.8618&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Mar 10, 2014 11:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kylekylekyle wrote:

why not just track the plane via satellite from its takeoff to the planned route?? like using google earth? and i know google earth isnt real time imagery but still with our worlds tech, im sure its possible, seriously something isnt right here, a plane just doesnt disintegrate in like 1 second.

Mar 10, 2014 5:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Patrick668 wrote:

This is the 4th day and any sign of the plane (debris) still hasn’t been found. And you have 4 countries working at it. Strange.

Mar 10, 2014 12:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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