West stumbles as autocratic force trumps economics

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cautious123 wrote:

But when the US pepper sprays peaceful demonstrators and tortures whistle blowers — that’s not autocratic force? This kind of provocateurism is unprofessional and dishonest. Mr Rohde, you are no journalist; you are a paid hack.

Apr 01, 2014 8:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
scififan wrote:

Economical Sanction would not be helpful,the only group who suffers could just be the russians. With the state-run propaganda,will Putin be guilty for these economic recessions?The fury will be detoured to whom commit this,not who causes this.And the nationalism will roar as it always be,Putin would be the czar he ever dreamed of.

Apr 01, 2014 8:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
justin2013 wrote:

More nonsense from Reuters about Democracies vs. Authoritarian regimes. Most nations, east, west & south are ruled by criminal organizations run by crooked bankers and elitist CEOs and their puppet politicians. The leaders of the, “Democracies” switch sides so fast between freedom fighters / terrorists / dictators and minions, it makes your head spin. Al-Qaeda is the enemy except when it’s Al-CIAda. Yesterdays reliable, authoritarian ally is today’s, “Evil Hitler of (place geographic region here )”, and meanwhile the body count of collateral-damage expendable citizens, peasants and those duped into military service for resource wars shoots up quicker than Wall Street numbers on a good day.

Apr 01, 2014 8:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Zeken wrote:

When has the West not used force, covert or overt, to advance its interests?

Really, liberals like Rohde are as bad as neo-cons. You could say they’re reading from the same script.

Apr 01, 2014 9:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PapaDisco wrote:

Containment works. Constructive Engagement does not.

Apr 01, 2014 9:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

A popularly elected government in Ukraine was overthrown by force. That act changed the rules of the game.

The United States has shown time and again that it pays scant attention to international law.

Apr 01, 2014 9:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bobo9 wrote:

Our leaders automatically assume Russia is wrong about alomost everything, but facts prove otherwise.
How about Afghanistan where Russia was fighting to suppress the “rebels”, & the U.S. stepped in & supported them & they ended up beating Russia & driving them out.
Oh, the guy we supported was named Osama bin Laden, lest we forget.

Apr 01, 2014 9:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPHR wrote:

This article is just one example of trying to sell a false narrative. Amazing how the neocon trolls are active in the MSM recently.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/27/the-danger-of-false-narrative/

Apr 01, 2014 9:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPHR wrote:

This article is just one example of trying to sell a false narrative. Amazing how the neocon trolls are active in the MSM recently.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/27/the-danger-of-false-narrative/

Apr 01, 2014 9:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPHR wrote:

This article is just one example of trying to sell a false narrative. Amazing how the neocon trolls are active in the MSM recently.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/27/the-danger-of-false-narrative/

Apr 01, 2014 9:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPHR wrote:

This article is just one example of trying to sell a false narrative. Amazing how the neocon trolls are active in the MSM recently.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/27/the-danger-of-false-narrative/

Apr 01, 2014 9:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
westernshame wrote:

“I would say on that score we are kind of confused as a country.”

blatant lie

you’re saying that you didn’t have a clue what would happen if you installed missile shields under obvious false pretexts and spent billions of dollars to overthrow democratically elected governments on Russia’s doorstep?

in politics, nothing happens by accident, if it happens, it was planned that way.

Apr 01, 2014 9:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PAndrews wrote:

Um…Crimea became part of Russia as a result of a democratic process. Iraq was invaded by brute force on a false pretense.

Media whores such as David Rohde debase their profession.

Apr 01, 2014 9:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
schmendric wrote:

Putin reflects the old Soviet regime in which he pushes, pushes, pushes, making gains. He stops only when meeting determined resistance whether political or military. He will continue to take advantage of any showing of weakness on the part of the West. Allowing him his success with Crimea will only bolster him in making further moves.

Apr 01, 2014 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
schmendric wrote:

Putin reflects the old Soviet regime in which he pushes, pushes, pushes, making gains. He stops only when meeting determined resistance whether political or military. He will continue to take advantage of any showing of weakness on the part of the West. Allowing him his success with Crimea will only bolster him in making further moves.

Apr 01, 2014 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
schmendric wrote:

Putin reflects the old Soviet regime in which he pushes, pushes, pushes, making gains. He stops only when meeting determined resistance whether political or military. He will continue to take advantage of any showing of weakness on the part of the West. Allowing him his success with Crimea will only bolster him in making further moves.

Apr 01, 2014 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
schmendric wrote:

Putin reflects the old Soviet regime in which he pushes, pushes, pushes, making gains. He stops only when meeting determined resistance whether political or military. He will continue to take advantage of any showing of weakness on the part of the West. Allowing him his success with Crimea will only bolster him in making further moves.

Apr 01, 2014 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
schmendric wrote:

Putin reflects the old Soviet regime in which he pushes, pushes, pushes, making gains. He stops only when meeting determined resistance whether political or military. He will continue to take advantage of any showing of weakness on the part of the West. Allowing him his success with Crimea will only bolster him in making further moves.

Apr 01, 2014 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
schmendric wrote:

Putin reflects the old Soviet regime in which he pushes, pushes, pushes, making gains. He stops only when meeting determined resistance whether political or military. He will continue to take advantage of any showing of weakness on the part of the West. Allowing him his success with Crimea will only bolster him in making further moves.

Apr 01, 2014 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
schmendric wrote:

Putin reflects the old Soviet regime in which he pushes, pushes, pushes, making gains. He stops only when meeting determined resistance whether political or military. He will continue to take advantage of any showing of weakness on the part of the West. Allowing him his success with Crimea will only bolster him in making further moves.

Apr 01, 2014 9:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

Look this whole article is just bull and ignores a very key historical fact. Oil sanctions against Japan is what caused both Japan and Germany to declare war on us in WWII. Should we have intervened before? Probably to definitely. However that doesn’t change the FACT that sanctions in the end only cause violence. Also lets look at how we have crushed Cuba and forced their countries government to change it’s ways…Last I heard they were giving Chavez medical treatment before he died.

Apr 01, 2014 10:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
relmasian1 wrote:

War is one of the worst instruments to get one’s way. Assad and his side have suffered greatly as will Putin and Russia if events proceed to war in the Ukraine. Even the victors suffered because of World War I and II. Nevertheless, military force and, more often, the credible threat of military force are still necessary to stop bullies and to have effective influence. The hope is that as humankind becomes more sophisticated the balance between force and negotiation will shift towards negotiation.

Apr 01, 2014 10:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnGlobe wrote:

In recent years, the use of force is used by Western countries to achieve their political objectives. The used it to change the regime in Libya and to transfer Libya into an incubator for terrorists to send them to slaughter people in other parts of the Arab World. It is used by the U.S. to make Iraq unstable country and reduce it to just a huge dumping place where terrorists roam freely. Also, the Afghani people are still under military occupation led by the U.S.
Also, President Reagan 1983 sent military forces to change the leftist regime in Granada. The same was done in Panama and previously in Haiti just to name a few. The author is intentionally misleading the public by blaming only Russia.

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

What a bunch of crap Reuters is trying to sell!

How can the editors even continue to work for such a sorry outfit?

Apr 01, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Interdog wrote:

I have several questions
1) Why is the EU desperate to expand , by the incorporation of new members sure to be a a financial burden and out of compliance with EU standards? Have they become yet another power hungry hierarchy?
are they now US proxies?
2) Did we expect V Putin to sit idly by while we encircle him with NATO missiles?
3) Do we always act by promoting bloody pro-western coups without thinking it through?
4) Has it all backfired?

Apr 01, 2014 10:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

The ‘force’ used by Russia is way over-hyped in the western media. How much blood was shed in Crimea’s local election to become part of Russia.

Who cares about Crimea. They voted. move on.

Our use of force in Iraq (killing 100,000 civilians by Bush’s count) and 4,000 U.S. troops was far more out of control. An absolute dead-end which now results in no one taking our complaints or our military seriously. We accomplished nothing there.

Apr 01, 2014 11:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

Politics has advanced very little – if any – since the middle ages.

Apr 01, 2014 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

The real enemy of the world right now is radical Islam. People who shoot girls in the face for studying, burn down boarding schools full of sleeping kids in Nigeria, hack unarmed soldiers to pieces in the streets of London. Radical Islam is a scourge and no Islamic leader is trying to stop it. So we have to stop it. We know this, Russia knows this. We should be working WITH Russia, not hyping up new cold war boogey-men. Putin is an idiot, but so was Bush. We still have common ground to stand on, and we have to see beyond our differences and get along. These hype stories in the news do nothing to advance peace or reason.

Apr 01, 2014 11:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

The US is the largest investor in Russia, and the US will be hurt little, but the damage to Russia will be greater. Economic sanctions are part of a number of tools of statecraft that can be used to discourage Russian imperialism, but these tools are slow to work, and uncertain. There is no US strategic interest in what happens in Crimea, so lack of military response is appropriate.

Apr 01, 2014 12:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Macedonian wrote:

the worst report I have ever read on Reuters , do you actually get paid for this

Apr 01, 2014 12:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
elsewhere wrote:

There is a solution to the problem. Do not elect democrats in any form even if the claim to be Republicans or Independents. They have no backbone to fight our enemies or, for that matter, a single mom with kids. This solution would also fix the job market and economy.

Apr 01, 2014 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

@elsewhere, if you are that upset, maybe you could move to Bush’s flourishing democracy of Iraq. We’ll miss you.

Apr 01, 2014 12:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

USA has stuck their nose in, destroyed and back-stabbed more countries than there are in the world.

Why are all the mainstream news bodies in the West too scared to tackle talking honestly about USA foreign policy?

Could it be they are scared of the repercussions. Hawaii, Crimea annexation and will of the people. Not much difference except out of USA anger they are not controlling the game.

USA not only wields tremendous military might as needed without world consent – they use the dollar and world bank like nuclear weapons.

We live in strange and exiting times. The digital media world is allowing world citizens to see past the marketing propaganda glossies to see the oligarchs around the world for what they are – pariahs on society.

Apr 01, 2014 12:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

> force trumps economics
Putin has lit the fire of Ukrainian nationalism and shown why Ukraine’s number 1 enemy is rasPutin. USA should be arming Ukrainian partisans because the only thing keeping rasPutin out of Ukraine is the threat of a Ukrainian guerilla war after he rolls his tanks into Kiev.
rasPutin knows he would lose a Ukrainian guerilla war over the vast Ukrainian territory, and that his pipelines moving 60% of Russian gas over Ukrainian territory would have no chance of surviving such a guerilla war. ARM THE UKRAINIANS.

Apr 01, 2014 12:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

@Butch, I agree. The old news outlets (including this one we’re reading)…. seem not to be afraid of the prospect of war so much as…. NOT having a war.

For example, where was all the right-wing panic about Russia in 2008 when they were taking over South Ossetia from Georgia? That was an actual war. And the righties seem to forget all about it. Note @elsewhere’s ignorant and short-memoried comments above. Perhaps because we already had big wars going on at the time? Totally uselesss wars of choice, but wars. It’s like the right-leaning news is afraid of extended peace time. It doesn’t sell. They have to fill it in with Jerry Springer drama and turd-stirring. All the time. This keeps the military contractors in business as well.

Apr 01, 2014 12:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ProEto wrote:

Typical egocentric American article that paints the entire world in two colors: US-ally and “the other” who is hostile and need to be contained. This hostile mentality, or better say, hostile ideology is the very source of the mixed agenda and confusion about what to do next you are discussing. And you are talking that Putin is hostile. He is just the product of your treatment of Russia for decades. Stop playing video games and face the real world, where things are not black and white and negotiation actually means a deal, not twisting hands.

Apr 01, 2014 1:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ProEto wrote:

Typical egocentric American article that paints the entire world in two colors: US-ally and “the other” who is hostile and need to be contained. This hostile mentality, or better say, hostile ideology is the very source of the mixed agenda and confusion about what to do next you are discussing. And you are talking that Putin is hostile. He is just the product of your treatment of Russia for decades. Stop playing video games and face the real world, where things are not black and white and negotiation actually means a deal, not twisting hands.

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VicL wrote:

I think the real reason that we don’t see more action against Russia is that real leaders are putting up a front to ease citizens’ concerns, but actually understand that Putin’s ambitions don’t go beyond Crimea. If you look at the importance of Russia’s naval base and Sevastopol and the unlikelihood of it remaining in Russia’s hands under a West-friendly government in Ukraine, you can easily see why he felt it necessary to take these extraordinary measures to seize control there. It’s a situation that doesn’t really exist elsewhere in the former USSR.

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RevDrDark66 wrote:

“…authoritarian rulers such as Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad are showing they can and will defy international norms, suppress dissent and use military force. American policymakers are struggling with how to respond.”

One must assume they cannot, as the USA has also repeatedly done all of these things.

Apr 01, 2014 1:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Greed, hatred and delusion is the Human world. Try not to be reborn into it again. – Buddha

Apr 01, 2014 1:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Putin understands one thing, A Patriot missile up his A*ss

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xcanada2 wrote:

So-called autocrat Putin:
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Approval rating in russia for the last 5 years is between 60% and 80%. Presently is 80%. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/03/26/putins-approval-rating-hits-80-percent/

So-called democratic leader Obama:
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Approval rating in US 39-49%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating

I take it that Reuters reporting reflects closely what the US corporate-dominated government wants us to believe. The focus on Putin regards Syria, Sochi, and Ukraine just doesn’t sound

All this anti-Putin rhetoric is making me very nervous that there is some economic calamity on the horizon that our corporate leaders (as represented by Obama and company) are not telling us about. It just doesn’t seem that problems regarding Syria, Sochi (the snowflake didn’t open) and Crimea are enough to account for the full-press propaganda campaign.

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xcanada2 wrote:

@AlkalineState says: “The real enemy of the world right now is radical Islam.” “and no Islamic leader is trying to stop it.”

Except leaders of Iran and the Syrian government. We should also be collaborating with these peoples.

Apr 01, 2014 1:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

Autocratic force is NOT trumping economics in this case. Economics supports autocratic force in this case. Putin made the better offer with $15 billion, lower gas prices, no austerity, and a new rail link to China for Ukraine to sell its grain and repay its debts. The EU lends billions to Ukraine but will raise 50% on gas and 40% on electricity AFTER the May 25 elections in a country that already proved that it will violently overthrow democratically elected governments. The worthless idiots who now lead (?) the West will doubtless blame Russia, but any intelligent person should see that the West is creating this costly disaster for itself.

Unfortunately for the unelected mobs in Kiev, President Yanukovich escaped to Russia and made a written, legal request for Russian military aid that was granted. The government of Crimea and most of its citizens were smart enough to leave the economic basket case of Ukraine to join a more prosperous Russia. Crimea has good harbors, bays for more ports, and road and rail ferries across the Strait of Kerch where a two mile road and rail bridge is planned along with oil and gas pipelines. This will let Crimea be the center of Russian trade through the Turkish Straits to southern Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and India while more trade goes through Russia, central Asia, China, and the Far East. Further, the Russian Riviera will be a tourist and convention destination, becoming rich while avoiding the pollution of industrial centers.

In Crimea, swift and decisive political moves combine with economic advantages for Russia. Western leaders (?) have chosen to reward (?) their efforts with the economic basket case of Ukraine that needs $1 trillion in investments to reach EU standards and that has unelected mobs waiting to undo any progress that causes economic pain for Ukrainians. Putin’s plan to sell Ukraine gas at lower prices would give the aid of loans without pumping cash, that can be diverted, into Ukraine, and it would not kick average Ukrainians to the curb with higher prices while the Chinese rail link offers a practical plan for repayment, something the EU plan lacks. EU countries have agriculture that they protect from outsiders, such as Ukraine.

That is why the article’s title is misleading because autocratic politics combined with economics for Putin’s success in Crimea. Putin picked the plum while the US and EU have given themselves the pits.

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AlkalineState wrote:

@xcanada, Iran and Syria are hardly good hunters of terrorism. They are simply regimes in crisis, reacting to an uprising. MOIS could be doing far more in the gulf and in Pakistan to intercept terrorism to begin with. Having said that, I agree there are areas of overlap from which we could all gain.

Apr 01, 2014 3:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
geot2 wrote:

M Obama but proposes adding mortar to BRICS.

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