'Verbal altercation' may have led to Fort Hood rampage: Army

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doctenacious wrote:

This is tragic all the way around. A soldier goes mental and can’t get a grip on how to deal with it. Medical treatment didn’t help obviously. And his illness cost the lives of precious innocent people who fell victim to an out-of-control man capable of the deadliest acts of violence.
It’s worthless to point fingers now or try to second guess his motives and/or condition. He is gone and his life and loved ones are devastated … far more is the devastation of those families who now must try to do life without their loved ones that died so suddenly and so needlessly.

Apr 03, 2014 9:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
morbas wrote:

If this is not a back ground check failure, then what is? The NRA, SCOTUS and Republicans are the failure here. For shame that more people had to die because of a lobbying infestation against responsible and reasonable Laws.
morbas(i)

Apr 03, 2014 9:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
drauckerr wrote:

Okay contestants, our first question is, “What is a Section 8 Discharge?”

Apr 03, 2014 12:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FinalOpinion wrote:

Just to give you an example of how crappy reporting is today, I just read Fox News take on this event. They say he argued with follow soldiers before the incident, and had been angry because the Army denied him his request to go to his mother funeral a few months ago, but then relented and gave him 24 hours. If this is really true, then some heads should roll. To deny a son his needs to attend his mother’s services is unconscionable. Twenty-four hours to go from Texas to Puerto Rico, attend a funeral, and then get back to Texas???? I don’t think so. However, this sounds like typical Army logic. Fox also said he was a father of four

Apr 04, 2014 1:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FinalOpinion wrote:

Just to give you an example of how crappy reporting is today, I just read Fox News take on this event. They say he argued with follow soldiers before the incident, and had been angry because the Army denied him his request to go to his mother funeral a few months ago, but then relented and gave him 24 hours. If this is really true, then some heads should roll. To deny a son his needs to attend his mother’s services is unconscionable. Twenty-four hours to go from Texas to Puerto Rico, attend a funeral, and then get back to Texas???? I don’t think so. However, this sounds like typical Army logic. Fox also said he was a father of four

Apr 04, 2014 1:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FinalOpinion wrote:

Just to give you an example of how crappy reporting is today, I just read Fox News take on this event. They say he argued with follow soldiers before the incident, and had been angry because the Army denied him his request to go to his mother funeral a few months ago, but then relented and gave him 24 hours. If this is really true, then some heads should roll. To deny a son his needs to attend his mother’s services is unconscionable. Twenty-four hours to go from Texas to Puerto Rico, attend a funeral, and then get back to Texas???? I don’t think so. However, this sounds like typical Army logic. Fox also said he was a father of four

Apr 04, 2014 1:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FinalOpinion wrote:

Just to give you an example of how crappy reporting is today, I just read Fox News take on this event. They say he argued with follow soldiers before the incident, and had been angry because the Army denied him his request to go to his mother funeral a few months ago, but then relented and gave him 24 hours. If this is really true, then some heads should roll. To deny a son his needs to attend his mother’s services is unconscionable. Twenty-four hours to go from Texas to Puerto Rico, attend a funeral, and then get back to Texas???? I don’t think so. However, this sounds like typical Army logic. Fox also said he was a father of four

Apr 04, 2014 1:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MudCow wrote:

Shouldn’t anybody on psychiatric care be a gun-free person unless the doctor allows it ?

Sometimes the shooting spree is not committed by a mentally insane lunatic, but definitely he has deep trouble with managing his emotions. Any sudden loss costs lives.

When the mishap repeats, those in charge of Fort Hood base need to rethink. Twice in 4 years just too many to bear in memory. Hope they administer this sizeable force with more caring thoughts.

Apr 04, 2014 4:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kevin69 wrote:

Morbas; Yeah the NRA and Scotus and the republicans all had something to do with it.. How can you be so ignorant? Check your kitchen fool, because those damn spoons are making you fat!!!

Apr 04, 2014 5:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

I’m curious if the shooter had any recent occasion to use the anti-malarial drug Mefloquine, aka, Lariam – or something similar – with a well-known history of bizarre psychotic side effects.

Despite earlier warnings, it was only in September of 2013 that the U.S. military baned Lariam on safety grounds. An order issued in early September, 2013 by the US Special Forces Command states:

“medical personnel will immediately cease the prescribing and use of mefloquine for malaria prophylaxis”. It adds: “Hallucinations and psychotic behaviour can occur and continue for months or years after mefloquine use; cases of suicidal ideation and suicide have been reported.”

The decision comes after an order in July from the FDA to force manufacturers to give the drug a “black box” label, its strongest warning. The FDA warned that some neurological and psychiatric side effects can last for months or years after people stop taking the drug.

Apr 04, 2014 5:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

knowing hagel and obama, they will probably promote the psychologist, that was seeing this killer…in front of the never ending cameras,Obama will spin it, that more would have been killed if it weren’t for this mans excellent work..

Apr 04, 2014 7:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Maybe we should not point figures or make conclusions before all of the information is in. Feel horrible for all those who died, especially the soldier who decided to try and talk him down instead of shooting first. That is real heroism and humanitarianism in the heat of the moment. Tremendously respect that soldiers actions and believe him to be representative of our military personnel.

Apr 04, 2014 9:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse

15 years in and still a specialist? Infantry yet no CIB? Seems he had problems.

Apr 04, 2014 9:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bob9999 wrote:

Weren’t both he and the Navy Yard shooter on anti-depression medication?

Apr 04, 2014 9:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
njglea wrote:

“Owens was shot five times as he tried to calm down the shooter, CBS News reported” Mr. Owens may have saved five people. Guns kill. Get them off the streets of America.

Apr 04, 2014 9:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
zigo wrote:

If he were a muslim, it would be obvious that it was a terrorist attack.
Maybe he has a muslim friend? That would do it as a motive, no?
But he surely crossed the path of some muslim in the past six months.

See another shooting that proves that we should be careful with muslims. And with Jewish people. And with Christians. And with anyone with religion. And with anyone without religion. I think it was because he hated gay people.

Apr 04, 2014 9:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
moosemyfrnds wrote:

The shooting comes one day after the U.S. Marine Corps confirmed an FBI search is underway for a former Army recruit. They knew this was coming down. And all three base attacks occur after Obama was elected, by minorities.

Apr 04, 2014 10:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

The soldiers volunteer as patriots, experience the CIA/corporate oil/guns/drug wars on the brown people of the world and go crazy because they realise that everything is false. What’s so difficult to understand. The brainwash they teach in highschool is incorrect and some people wake up after experiencing reality. Some get violent. It’s one of the costs of doing business as we do. I recommend a good dose of reality TV and some kind of inebriant, like most good america do.

Apr 04, 2014 10:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Naksuthin wrote:

If you want the 2nd amendment right to own a weapon you are going to have to learn to live with a certain amount of innocent deaths.
That’s the price we all have to pay to have our constitutional rights protected.

Yes…more guns will lead to more innocent deaths…just as more cars on the road will lead to more traffic fatalities. It’s just a fact of life.

Americans need to stop trying to find a solution to every tragedy and learn to live with a certain level of tragedy. We need to come to terms with the inevitable.

To protect the rights of everyone to own a weapon: the insane, suspected terrorists, blind people, irresponsible gun owners, gunowners with anger management issues etc. We must all learn to live with a certain level of unavoidable violence.

It’s the price we have to pay to have our 2nd Amendment rights protected

Apr 04, 2014 12:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Naksuthin wrote:

If you want the 2nd amendment right to own a weapon you are going to have to learn to live with a certain amount of innocent deaths.
That’s the price we all have to pay to have our constitutional rights protected.

Yes…more guns will lead to more innocent deaths…just as more cars on the road will lead to more traffic fatalities. It’s just a fact of life.

Americans need to stop trying to find a solution to every tragedy and learn to live with a certain level of tragedy. We need to come to terms with the inevitable.

To protect the rights of everyone to own a weapon: the insane, suspected terrorists, blind people, irresponsible gun owners, gunowners with anger management issues etc. We must all learn to live with a certain level of unavoidable violence.

It’s the price we have to pay to have our 2nd Amendment rights protected

Apr 04, 2014 12:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

“Ivan Lopez, a 34-year-old soldier battling mental illness, is suspected of killing the three and wounding 16 others” – at what point do we stop being politically correct and say this guy did it?

Apr 04, 2014 1:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

“Guns kill. Get them off the streets of America.” – Uhh, no they don’t! A gun has never killed, never been charged, and never been convicted of killing. It is a tool. I have a gun that has never killed, so that alone disproves your dumb idea. By your logic, hammers kill, cars kill, knives kill, chainsaws kill, cinder blocks kill, etc, etc. Are we going to eliminate all these as well. What happens when we live in aNerf world and bad guys start strangling or choking victims with Nerf items? Stop the knee-jerk idiocy and try to think rationally.

Apr 04, 2014 1:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fred5407 wrote:

Yes, and two reporters were killed in Afghanistan sitting in a car. To all the logic people, stop looking for logic, to all the blame people, stop trying to blame a gun or a person. The shooters were programmed to kill and could not stop. I think some of you have never met an Alcoholic or a Drug User that would kill or steal for a fix. Same logic. I think the program may have been installed by a TV show, Video Game, or maybe a religeous sect. Look at the killings in Syria and today in Afghanistan. No sense there either.

Apr 04, 2014 2:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GeoffWard wrote:

I’m sure we all remember Gomer Pyle from Kubrick’s ‘Full Metal Jacket’.
His ‘going mental’ was induced by the ‘hazing’(Bullying/beating.[UK]) he received from the army itself.

The fact that Lopez attacked and killed ‘his own’ tells me that his pain was created by his fellow Americans, not ‘foreigners’.

He wanted to kill the Americans that had made him less-than-human.

Apr 04, 2014 3:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stevedebi wrote:

@GeoffWard: Just for accuracy, Full Metal Jacket” was about the USMC, not the Army.

There has been another question raised in the media and congress after this: why does a base full of trained soldiers not allow them to be armed? The military does not allow private weapons permit owners to have guns on base. Therefore they are “open season” to anyone who manages to sneak in a weapon (as happened in these two Fort Hood cases).

Apr 04, 2014 4:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lola26 wrote:

such a horrible tragedy, my prayers to his wife Billy and family, may God give you the sthrength you need, stay strong
http://dailyentertainmentnews.com/tv/billie-owens-fort-hood-shooting-victim-sgt-timothy-owens-wife/

Apr 04, 2014 5:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ralphos wrote:

Every time you run your mouth with someone now that everyone has a gun you have a better than average chance of this happening.

And if the someone is good at shooting you get more shot.
It seems pretty simple.

Apr 04, 2014 7:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mylena wrote:

He was one Puerto Rico man. I do not know why the militairy here is accepting foreigns that have problems been americans.

Apr 04, 2014 7:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mylena wrote:

He was one Puerto Rico man. I do not know why the militairy here is accepting foreigns that have problems been americans.

Apr 04, 2014 7:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JakobStagg wrote:

I doubt we will ever learn anything useful about this case.The smoke is being generated. The mirrors are polished up. I can’t wait to see how King Pinocchio will spin this to attack law abiding gun owners who didn’t do it, weren’t there, and didn’t contribute to the event in anyway other than paying taxes.

If this event occurred in the ghettos of Chicago, carried out by a gang banger, we’d have never heard about it. Chicago has among the most Draconian gun laws on the planet and they also have more violence than most violent places on the planet. Barry’s home town. His buddy Rahm Emanuel will coach him through the exploitation of a non crisis.

A horrible event. Yes. Crisis? No.

Apr 04, 2014 8:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
themadrush wrote:

Unless the gun shop named in the article is in some kind of trouble for improperly selling guns, I would not want to blame the store for these horrid incidents. Anyone know if the gun shop is under scrutiny?

Apr 04, 2014 9:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
themadrush wrote:

Puerto Ricans are not foreigners per se. I believe Puerto Rico, Guam, American Samoa (I may be missing one) are termed “U.S. Territories.” They are thus part of the United States and are equally eligible to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces.
I agree it’s a horrible event. It is whenever innocents are murdered. Not all make the news; however, a shooting such as this at a military base will make headlines for its rarity and its implications overall for the military.

Apr 04, 2014 9:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ADVOCATUS wrote:

There’s nothing harder than the softness of indifference. Those who were shot along with the survivors are no innocent victims if they live in communities so selfishly unto themselves and totally oblivious to trouble brewing in people in their midst. They should have known they had it coming, what it is they have done to make a fellow soldier mad enough to run amuck? These things happen to people who are insensitive to others around them and fail to sense the volatility of potential danger and spot someone, who through the carelessness and heartlessness of others became unbalanced, so as to take measure to amortize or sanitize the situation and nip it early in the bud. There is a serious lack of compassion and empathy not only in military establishments but in America as a whole.

Apr 09, 2014 8:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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