Pro-Moscow protesters seize arms, declare republic; Kiev fears invasion

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DrCruel wrote:

If by the “West” you mean Putin, then yeah.

Apr 07, 2014 9:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

More covert operations from the Russian Federation. Highly effective. Any attempt to stop these traitors, will result in a Russian “rescue”.

Apr 07, 2014 9:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ProUK wrote:

Don’t blame this all on the west…it takes two to tango.

Apr 07, 2014 9:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
wilhelm wrote:

if it worked in Kiev, why not in Kharkiv?

Apr 07, 2014 9:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
john.davies wrote:

It strange to see, that Reuters refers to mr.Avakov (Ukrainian Interior Minister)… in some Ukrainians locals media, he is suspected of falsifying the facts. Also, he accuses the people without trial.

Apr 07, 2014 9:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MichaelI wrote:

The world needs another boogeyman and Russia fits this role now. I don’t know who is pushing Putin to invade Ukraine, but I would bet it’s the same people who orchestrated the coup in February in Ukraine, i.e. the West. Islam was not sufficient for a bad guy and now we need another cold war.

Apr 07, 2014 9:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
yvonmoua wrote:

Ukraine is very danger situation now, i thing the western don’t need to involve this war against Russia, because 60% in Ukraine support communist. The best, sanction against CCCP only and buildup EU force to protect an other countries so not to have the same situation like Ukraine right now.

Apr 07, 2014 9:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MrPutin23 wrote:

Alaska should be returned to mother RUSSIA!! Freedom to the people of Republic of Alaska!

Apr 07, 2014 10:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
riposte wrote:

Putinism plays, while the west stays..asleep

Apr 07, 2014 10:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ErnieScarr wrote:

No one wants the rest of Ukraine, it is worth nothing.

Apr 07, 2014 10:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

Ukrainians #1 enemy = rasPutin
Glory to the Ukrainian heros. Death to the Russian occupiers.

Apr 07, 2014 12:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Verpoly wrote:

Right Ernie, whatever blame Ukrainians shift on Putin, he simply wouldn’t acquire such barren land to feed a bunch of lazy invalids.

Apr 07, 2014 12:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yesyes wrote:

Ever notice how whenever Russia or one of its allies makes a move that contradicts previous Kremlin rhetoric, the paid kremlin trolls on this site tend to go silent for a day or so? Possibly to give them time to learn the new script and try to figure out how to save face?

Apr 07, 2014 12:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

“Fear of an invasion”? Wake up! The invasion already has started. The pattern is that covert agents stir up nationalism, and then when actions are taken to stop the treason, Russia steps in to “rescue” the Russian speaking Ukrainians. This pattern may happen in many countries of Eastern Europe, as Russian imperialism advances in the style of the Anschluss.

Apr 07, 2014 12:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

“It is an attempt to destroy Ukrainian statehood, a script which has been written in the Russian Federation, the aim of which is to divide and destroy Ukraine and turn part of Ukraine into a slave territory under the dictatorship of Russia,” Yatseniuk said.

..but, Mr. Yatseniuk, talk is cheap. Talk is no good when you are too afraid to fight. Putin is acting like a playground bully, you are acting like the playground sissy. Mr. Obama, too, has been similarly ‘feminized’ by Vladimir Putin. The EU, same deal.. all a bunch of sissies.

Get up, stand up! Stand up for your rights! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Apr 07, 2014 1:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

This works out great for the US since our true goal is to destabilize Russia enough that they need our help to produce and sell their oil and gas. We let Ukraine and Russia fight it out and they are both weakened so we may be able to get at some of their resources. I mean that’s why we helped initiate the Ukraine issue in the first place. Well, that and we are trying to encircle Russia with NATO countries, which is working well. Also, we have a permanent presence to their south in Afghanistan and Iraq. So, it’s working pretty much as we planned. It very convienient that the Armerican people are so easy to hate when the media tells them they should. The brainwash is apparently working. Now, when I say the US, I mean really the very wealthy and banks who control the secret government of the US, obviously not the American people, because they have no clue what is going on. They do know who they are supposed to hate though.

Apr 07, 2014 1:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@brotherkenny4: “Well, that and we are trying to encircle Russia with NATO countries”

Huh? NATO countries exist only on Russia’s west. Ever hear of China? Mongolia? Kazakhstan? Your comment is absurd. Anyhow, with Putin acting as he does to steal land that properly belongs to Ukraine, Russia deserves to get encircled. NATO is necessary to keep the Russian baddies at bay. Putin is a modern-day Hitler: we’d do well to get wise to him now.

Apr 07, 2014 1:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dualcitizen wrote:

So, the pro-Russian govt in Ukraine was overthrown (sounds like the current Ukranian govt. is therefore illegal) and they’re screaming about Russia. Well guess Obama and Kerry need to draw some more lines. What a joke.

Apr 07, 2014 1:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

Russia does not want the economic basket case of Ukraine. Crimea can become the central hub of Russian trade through the Turkish Straits to southern Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and India that can join trade to Russia, central Asia, China, and the Far East. Road and rail ferries exist, and a two mile bridge across the Strait of Kerch would complete the transport system. Putin does nothing wrong because he has what he needs and doesn’t need to do anything wrong. He has $500 billion in foreign currency reserves and the world’s biggest oil and gas station in Siberia that sits next door to the world’s biggest car market and industrial production facilities that has $3.5 trillion in foreign currency reserves, so his best customer can buy his country’s oil and gas for many decades. He sells gas to the EU, including NATO, and sells oil and gas to the Far East, including US Asian allies, because he has shorter tanker trips and turn around times than the US. Putin picked the plum and watched the US and EU give themselves the pits.

Ukrainians face a 50% gas price hike on May 1 with bills that will arrive on June 8 after the May 25 election. They will have a 40% gas price hike for businesses and utilities on August 1 that will raise store prices immediately and utility prices in bills on September 8. If US and EU citizens faced 50% and 40% price hikes, they would protest like Greeks, Spaniards, and now Ukrainians. Under these circumstances, these Ukrainian protests and requests to join Russia are normal. US and EU leaders destroyed US and EU economies for 13 years with disastrous wars and interventions and with economic and financial crises. As a result, US and EU debts exceed their GDPs. Under these circumstances, why would anyone in their right minds want to follow the examples of the US and EU? US and EU leaders blunder because they are human and stupid, and they blame someone else (Putin) because they are even more human and stupid.

Apr 07, 2014 1:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Putin has enlisted paid shills to troll Western news sites. You can tell who they are by the ham-handedness of their rhetoric. For example, above we see silly remarks like “we are trying to encircle Russia with NATO countries” and “The world needs another boogeyman and Russia fits this role now. I don’t know who is pushing Putin to invade Ukraine, but I would bet it’s the same people who orchestrated the coup in February in Ukraine, i.e. the West.” Good grief! Putin’s shills are as ham-handed as the propaganda coming out of the Russian press these days. Putin’s moves into the Ukraine, too, look amateurish and uncertain to those who know better: soldiers with masks, fake elections held on the quick with 95% ‘for’ results, threats to turn the USA into radioactive ash… what’s next? Is Putin going to bang his shoe on the table like Nikita Khrushchev? Putin has alienated ethnic Ukrainians against their Russian cousins for generations to come: to create Slav versus Slav tensions, well, that looks like Khrushchev-style bungling to me!

Apr 07, 2014 1:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@carlmartel: “Crimea can become the central hub of Russian trade through the Turkish Straits to southern Europe, Africa, the Middle East, and India that can join trade to Russia, central Asia, China, and the Far East”

Wishful thinking. These nations conduct trade amongst themselves right now without the need for a Russian intermediary. The Russian economy is just not that important: it’s only about the size of Italy’s, a nation with less than half the population of Russia. Russia’s cash reserves aren’t that big either by American standards: the four trillion dollars you speak of is just three months or less American GDP. The Americans will spend almost that much just in Iraq. Russia, economically, is just not that big a deal. Small wonder the Ukrainian people, most of them, want to go with the EU over Russia.. Russia is a synonym for poverty.

Apr 07, 2014 1:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beerpatzer wrote:

Ukraine never was a real country anyways = FACT

Apr 07, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
inMyView wrote:

Dear Russian Federation ! No need for these shows. Just draw a line on a map, all will be presented to you with bowed heads.

Apr 07, 2014 1:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ProEto wrote:

Gotta love the hypocricy of the puppet government in Kiev: the “revolutionaries”, having come to power just a month or so ago via a violent revolt with baseball bats and Molotov cocktails, now calling terrorists and separatists people who do exactly the same…

Apr 07, 2014 2:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@ProEto: “Gotta love the hypocricy of the puppet government in Kiev: the “revolutionaries”, having come to power just a month or so ago via a violent revolt with baseball bats and Molotov cocktails, now calling terrorists and separatists people who do exactly the same…”

Shill often? Anyhow, it was Putin’s corrupt puppet, Viktor Yanukovych, who ordered that demonstrators be gunned down in Kiev, remember? Yanukovych, who spent millions, all public money, on private mansions for himself, ran away to Moscow after betraying the Ukrainian people. One wonders how much public money Putin spends on himself: if he’ll spend the equivalent of fifty billion dollars on the Olympics, Lord knows how much he’s taking for himself and his corrupt Gazprom buddies. Putin is moving in Ukraine because he fears the Russian people will make a move on him for stealing public money. Putin fears a Russian Spring: to get around that, he creates foreign bogeymen to divert the Russian public’s attention from his own shady dealings.

Vladimir Putin: “The West is out to get us, the Ukrainians are out to get us, I’m not the corrupt one here, it’s neo-Nazis in Kiev out to get us! Don’t look at me, look at them!” Yeah. Right. That trick is as old as the hills, Mr. Putin. Sorry, Vladimir, but I’m not falling for it.

Apr 07, 2014 2:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
p65494 wrote:

Stop this now or risk
losing you country as well.
Remember Crimea!

Apr 07, 2014 2:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

Regarding trolls, you could check
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/04/04/cuban-twitter-scam-social-media-tool-disseminating-government-propaganda/
to see that the US government is a huge supporter
of US trolls.
Do you think near-bankrupt Russia is even capable of such expenditures?
There certainly are US trolls on this Comments page, unless they are asleep at the job. Russian trolls: doesn’t seem so likely.

Regarding the snipers at Kiev Maidan, remember:
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
Note that the Estonian Foreign Ministry confirms the leak authenticity.

Apr 07, 2014 3:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Russian trolls work cheap. It’s a not huge expenditure for their government.

Apr 07, 2014 3:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Litlgodz wrote:

Since its foundation in 2005, RT has been widely accused as being a mouthpiece of the Kremlin. In an interview with US government-owned external broadcaster Voice of America, the Russian-Israeli blogger Anton Nosik (ru) said the creation of Russia Today “smacks of Soviet-style propaganda campaigns.”[139] A representative of Reporters Without Borders called the newly announced network “another step of the state to control information.”[140] In 2009, Luke Harding in The Guardian described Russia Today’s advertising campaign in the United Kingdom as an “ambitious attempt to create a new post-Soviet global propaganda empire.”[34]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29#Criticism

The conversation between Catherine Ashton and Urmas Paet merely states the opinion of Paet and the will to investigate further by the EU (as opposed to a low interest in investigation from the authorities in Ukraine, which I consent is suspicious)

Apr 07, 2014 3:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

@ProjectManager

Those who write about economic and political matters are not necessarily “paid shills” for foreign powers. I spent 34 years in the US Army and was sent to fight wars by politicians. Further, the economy pays for the military, and it develops and pays for the military’s technological tools, so it is necessary for professional soldiers to understand it.

My view of Crimea is what it can become after the two mile road and rail bridge is built. Crimea has good ports and many bays for more good ports to accomodate future traffic. The $500 billion in Russian foreign currency reserves can gain loans at more favorable rates than those who lack those reserves. The same is true for China’s $3.5 trillion.

China is a military, political, and economic ally of Russia in the SCO with four central Asian lands. They will watch Afghanistan after the US and NATO leave. China builds railroads, roads, and airports for better logistics than the US and NATO. China builds businesses to offer muslims better lives than islamic rebels. Russia fights muslim rebels in the southern Caucasus; China fights them in Xinjiang; and the Taliban want a central Asian caliphate in all seven “stans.” In effect, Russia and China are de facto military allies of the US and NATO in the War on Islamic Extremism. Western leaders, and most commenters, appear to be blind to this fact.

In WWII, Russia tied down two thirds of Hitler’s war machine, and China tied down 60% of Japan’s armed forces. The US and future NATO countries did not adopt the political systems of Russia and China during or after WWII and need not adopt their political systems in the current war. However, we could use their manpower, Siberia’s oil and gas, and China’s industrial production facilities on our side. This war is not over, and the US and EU are likely to gain more 9-11 attacks if they keep distracting themselves over small issues.

Apr 07, 2014 4:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
irina1 wrote:

Its a pity, but people in Western Europe up to now believe their mass media, like children – you are told that Putin is a monster, he wants to occupy the ukrain. Dear! why a hell he needs this poor and unstable region! But what have i to do-my sister is Russian and she lives in Ukrain, she lives in fear -hundreds of armed teenagers are everywhere around, killing everybody, who speaks Russian, you are not able to face this truth-it doesnt fit,match or whatever with your own picture of the world

Apr 07, 2014 4:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnPombrio wrote:

Notice that the speaker, the men behind him, and the audience were all young, fit men with military style haircuts. Just like the mob that took over the buildings in the first place. Just like the crowds that did protests and surrounded the military bases in Crimea. Oh yeah, one woman, sitting in the front row, let’s not forget her.

Apr 07, 2014 4:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Andvari wrote:

carlmartel,

I don’t think ProjectManager was referring to you.

Apr 07, 2014 4:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

@Andvari

You may be correct about ProjectManager’s statement about me, but he calls ProEto a shill for the very valid observation that the Kiev mobs are no better than the Donetsk mobs, and he raises the “paid commenter” argument twice on this article alone.

Apr 07, 2014 5:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

In other news, Edward Snowden becomes discontented with Russia, seeks to form own republic inside of Russia.

Apr 07, 2014 5:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DanaAdude101 wrote:

If the Russians in these areas do not like where they are at MOVE TO Crimea.

Apr 07, 2014 5:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DanaAdude101 wrote:

YANUKOVICH CALL?

Yanukovich, in exile in Russia, has called for referendums across Ukrainian regions on their status within the country?

BAH!!!, He was the one ripping the Ukrainian people off, that started all of this in the first place he shouldn’t have any say so, unless its a heart filled apology for his absents of shame.

Apr 07, 2014 5:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“If the Russians in these areas do not like where they are at MOVE TO Crimea.”

Exactly. Or 20 miles over to Russia. This is just Putin trying to stir the turd again.

Apr 07, 2014 6:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seafloor wrote:

Take into consideration, that these protests could be supported also by Ukrainian military and police deserters. The barricades look quite professional. The same goes for the vigilant groups in Crimea since there hasn’t been any reports about a massive invasion army movement. Certainy a Russian infiltration is also possible. I wouldn’t take a side on short war coverage.

Apr 07, 2014 7:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Ukraine needs its own Mariel Boatlift. Deport the Russian malcontents to Russia. Problem solved.

Apr 07, 2014 7:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
geot2 wrote:

Ironic, always, upon a coup’s success, they pass anti terrorism laws that would have outlawed their own behavior.

Apr 07, 2014 8:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

In other news; Russia stations troops on it’s own border, Western nations throw a fit.

Apr 07, 2014 9:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
puttypants wrote:

Reuters it takes too long for you to post our comments. I haven’t seenone of my comments yet.

Apr 07, 2014 9:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnPombrio wrote:

Has Putin forgotten that his power base comes from the people who have become rich due to his corruption? GazProm is owned by the party elite cronies. If he is stupid enough to invade, there will be serious disruptions to the Russian economy and his friends that are now backing him will start to pressure Putin to bring back the money. Putin will refuse and there will be chaos in the government.

Apr 07, 2014 9:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yesyes wrote:

Well at least one of the kremlin trolls showed up for work today, although the best they could seem to muster was a half hearted attempt to distract people from the story (along with contradictory statements on the state of the Russian economy). I’m sure in a day or two they’ll all have a lot more to say and it will be far more entertaining. It’s always good to have some comic relief in these tense situations

Apr 07, 2014 9:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RyanA69 wrote:

It’s time to dance…. come on, NATO… step up!

Apr 07, 2014 10:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seafloor wrote:

The EU and US should welcome the suggestion about an Ukrainian federation. This would really mean deescalation and a future for the country. The Ukraine doesn’t have the simple choice between a pro-EU or a pro-Russia. Each single decision leads to an economic desaster. It’s terrible to see the people struggling with each other because of a pro-Euopean and a pro-Russian group of oligarchs. Both groups have crippeled the country, but both the US-EU and Russia love to support them further. This is the so called democracy nowadays.

Apr 07, 2014 11:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

I’m sure they’re only protesting for their fair share of austerity and indenture. Once Sen. McCain shows up and explains that everyone in a democracy gets sodomized equally this whole affair should right itself quickly.

Maybe Nuland and Pryatt could look into sending NED and USAID to Lichtenstein next (Won’t they be surprised). They hold a AAA sovereign rating and considerable wealth.

Apr 07, 2014 11:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seafloor wrote:

How dare the west names elections with three oligarchs as applicants democracy. What’s the new meaning of freedom then? Water and bread?

Apr 07, 2014 11:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Yes, let’s start a new country every time some group of malcontents gets pissed off. I heard the Central African Republic and “South Sudan” are doing great. Maybe start an Oklahomania for tea party couch potatoes. Why not?

Apr 07, 2014 11:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
zackselzman wrote:

It seems that everyone is ignoring the fact that these regions are not leaving the Ukraine.. the Ukraine had a democratically elected government and that government was overthrown. It was the violent protesters who seceded.. the people in the Crimea just don’t want any part of this new revolutionary government.. and why should they? This isn’t a small powerful minority. It is the vast majority of the people in these regions that support the moves they are making. They’re not causing a revolution.. the revolution is over.. there just settling up what they want to do now that the old government is gone.

Apr 07, 2014 11:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Realinfo4u wrote:

Some of those Pro Russian people look like part of the Night Wolves Biker gang based in Russia and some in Ukraine,Putin’s best friends that went to Crimea at start of that incursion also to help take Crimea.

Apr 07, 2014 12:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

DanaAdude101 wrote:
Yanukovich … was the one ripping the Ukrainian people off, that started all of this in the first place …

Why would you repeat this silly propagandist narrative? While Yanukovich was indeed a corrupt bureaucrat presiding over a corrupt system, he was merely a pawn in the game of plundering Ukraine, where the important figures were those same robber barons billionaire oligarchs who have now reclaimed positions of political power. The new “revolutionary” government has appointed these same men, who stole 100, or even 1000 times more than Yanukovich and his clan altogether, appointed them Governors of all important regions, and one of them is on the way to become President of the country. Now, should these criminal gangsters who are directly responsible for running down the country’s economy, basically destroying it in favor of their personal greed? And now they’ve found an easy way out – blame everything on Yanukovich, he’s the villain not us. And they promote it vigorously – with your enthusiastic help.

Are you paid to do that? This is question that ProjectManager should be also asked – as he uses a very similar trick pointing finger to others. “Look at those trolls!” – Says who? :-)

Apr 07, 2014 12:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxen wrote:

East Ukraine need not waste their time with the current leaders in Kiev, they are just NATO puppets. They will cry foul on anything, and blame Russia instead to focusing on the independence of Ukraine. The only goal is to sell off Ukraine. And if they believe USA/EU have free money to dish to them, then they are in for a bumpy ride and may be thrown out soon by their own right wing extremists allies they are trying to sideline. The extremists were key in the chaos that led used to grab power by the those self appointed leaders in Kiev.

Apr 08, 2014 2:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
vincentHrd wrote:

We only want the Sudetenland

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