Obamacare 'accomplishing goal': Gallup poll

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Good news and good sign that this law may accomplish its goals, only time will tell give it another 2-4 years minimum, then we will know for sure.

Now cue the righties that do not have this intellectual honesty, I am sure they will make up a bunch of reasons why people obtaining quality Heath insurance is a bad thing.

Apr 07, 2014 2:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
zigo wrote:

Obama cares

Apr 07, 2014 2:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TimothyAlex wrote:

…six-year low? So, the people who lost their healthcare when Obama was first elected, now have it back?? Wouldn’t a real economic recovery have resulted in the same thing?

Apr 07, 2014 3:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

“Gallup found the biggest insurance gains were among lower-income people and among African-Americans.”

So really just another handout to blacks and poor people, most of whom are poor because of personal choices and/or failure to understand the necessity of hard work.

Apr 07, 2014 3:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

I am so glad I could work my a** off to pay for some burger flipping, baby factory, welfare addict to get in to the dr for their monthly STD meds.

Apr 07, 2014 3:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MitchS wrote:

Someone’s paying for those subsidies. Just think how many hardworking American families are sponsoring other individuals and families now. Hopefully those receiving all of the benefits from this without paying are thankful and a gracious enough to thank those who paid for them!

Apr 07, 2014 3:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SoutherRican wrote:

Happy days are here again, those whom support Obamacare, can be heard singing and good for you. Better not be in the middle-class, they will be paying the tab. Those who really can’t afford Obamacare will get a rebate(goldmine), I’ll let you guess what we the middle class will get in the end. Someone will makeup the difference, and notice that the administration keeps delaying their rules for business. The full effect of that health insurance will not take effect for at least 1 or 2 years, good luck. Those with plenty of Coins will find a way to write it off, like the normally do.

Apr 07, 2014 3:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

“Among people with household incomes of less than $36,000 a year, the share of uninsured shrank by 3.2 percentage points from levels at the end of 2013.
African-Americans saw their uninsured rate drop by 3.3 percentage points.”

So this seems to be more for the benefit of black Americans than even for the poor? Just trying to point out that this, like almost every social/humanitarian/charitable activity disproportionately is designed to benefit blacks. Why is it that teh dems are so adamant that blacks are unable to survive without a government sponsored advantage? Is it maybe because they realize it is a secure voting block as long as they continue to strip away form the haves and give to the takers?

Apr 07, 2014 3:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Thank you @gcf1965 for showing everybody what the right thinks about those that are less fortunate then themselves.

Apr 07, 2014 3:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

Yep, if Gallup called me on this I would not tell them the truth either. I mean it is the law that you have insurance, or be fined. That would be like Gallup calling you and asking if you paid your taxes last year. If you know it is against the law then you are going to say you filed and paid, even if you did not. Never know, could be the NSA or IRS or anyone calling you. Put no stock in this poll.

Apr 07, 2014 3:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rainbow_Stew wrote:

Wow! Lies and MORE lies!!! In a Sunday, March 23rd, 2014 in a broadcast of NBC’s “Meet the Press” these are the facts that were broadcast: “If Obamacare was about anything, it was about getting more people insured. The law never promised to eliminate the uninsured altogether, but the Obama White House did say 32 million people would gain coverage, out of about 48 million who didn’t have it.” The last report I saw said only 7 million had signed up…who truly believes 25 million MORE people signed up for “obummacare” in just a mere 16 days??? I just wish ALL PARTIES IN D.C. would stop the lying; they ought to be ashamed!

Apr 07, 2014 3:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
willich6 wrote:

Boys; focus on the article – this is about medical insurance enrollment – Having more Americans insured is a good thing – it should mean fewer people ‘depending on the ER’ for their medical coverage – it means more people are paying premiums and contributing.

Yeah, there is an issue with ‘who pay’s'… The ACA does ‘rely heavily’ on young people carrying the load for older & sicker people; whether this works or not is ‘the’ unanswered question of obamacare – and we won’t know for a year or two – and it could put the Fed Govt (ie; taxpayers) at risk if premiums don’t cover the cost. But overall, having more Americans with medical coverage is a good thing.

By the way; @ Lysergic – you forgot to take your meds again this morning.. What were you thinking with that idiotic post?…

Apr 07, 2014 4:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@gcf1965

If there is a higher percentage of the black population that is in that low income bracket than the white population, you would expect to see these numbers. Say 50% black fall in that category while 40% white fall in that category, a higher percentage of the black population will benefit than the white population, and that is what is being reflected here. Most race issues are actually socio-economic issues, unfortunately the racists on both sides of the aisle can not recognize that and still stereotype it based on the race.

Apr 07, 2014 4:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

another twitter type talking point for the mindless to run around and claim victory. if i told you each newly insured person was costing taxpayers $25,000 would you still support it?

Apr 07, 2014 4:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BigWalleye wrote:

What a fraud! Six months ago, 6+ million people had their insurance cancelled because of Obamacare. Now, it seems, those 6 million have found some less-comprehensive, more-expensive replacement. And Gallup compared the two snapshots in time and finds Obamacare has brought down the number of uninsured! “Mission accomplished!” Thanks, Gallup, for your unswerving support of the worst president since Jimmy Carter.

Apr 07, 2014 4:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
grassroot wrote:

And a great narrative for the Left. But, they will not
reveal how many actually,, got coverage paid for and how many
got coverage that was better than they previously had.
Meaning how many got screwed in the process. Hooray for
Socialized medicine. All for control and redistribution of
wealth.

Apr 07, 2014 4:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TOTL wrote:

Question: How many of the 7.1 million enrollees are those that lost or had their former coverage cancelled? If one has coverage cancelled, and enrolls in the mandated coverage, wouldn’t that be a net zero gain for the “uninsureds”?

Apr 07, 2014 4:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Canela wrote:

The fascist element of the Republican Party just doesn’t get it.

Apr 07, 2014 4:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DougW659 wrote:

Wow….. you do realize that the statement “most of whom (blacks) are poor because of personal choices and/or failure to understand the necessity of hard work.” is pretty much the dictionary definition of racism, right?

Can you explain exactly what is is about black people that makes them this way? Have you identified the specific genetic component in them that makes them shun work? That would be a pretty significant genetic breakthrough, considering that for years we have been led to believe that the genetic differences between the races pretty much only changes external features such as skin color, eye and hair color, nose and lip shape, etc. You could be up for the next Nobel prize with you wonderful racist discovery!

Apr 07, 2014 4:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
smit1610 wrote:

I don’t believe it! Let’s see the real numbers. Put out numbers that aren’t controlled by the White House and you will see that the true picture isn’t pretty.

Why are they afraid to put out true numbers and the details behind them?

Apr 07, 2014 4:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

“If there is a higher percentage of the black population that is in that low income bracket” – when do we as a society ask the real question of Why? For 50 years we as a society have been providing life on a silver platter to people who far too often reject it if it comes with even a modicum of effort. There is preferential treatment in nearly every aspect of our society from schools, to jobs, “social etiquette” to even tailoring voting accomodations to cater to their whims and demands(insert voter id laws here). As caucasians we are taught to feel guilty (not sure why) about the poverty, crime, failure in education, homelessness, diseases that disproportionately affect blacks, etc, etc. We are fanning the fires of failure with gasoline soaked rags and wonder why we keep getting burned. What ever happened to equality, reward for effort, reap what you sow, this kind of personal responsibility thing?

lysergic, it is not hate as I suspected would be suggested. It is a frustration with people like you who continually make excuses. Does it matter that we (whoever that is) pay for these people throuh the medical system or through the government? Either way, we have millions who are sucking the life and energy out of hard working responsible families because they themselves (far too often) feel they are entitled to do so. Far too many have perpetually made bad choices and/or have resigned themselves to living off the efforts of others through handouts, government redistribution, and criminal theft. Why are we as a society trying to appease the mooching many using the justification for the few who truly need our help. I am convinced that for every 1 truly needy person who is in need of help, there are dozens more who are simply gaming the system to take whatever they can without working for it.

Apr 07, 2014 4:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

Canela, whatever you want to call those people who see this for what it really is, we get it for sure. We get it right in the shorts by having what we have worked for to provide for our families taken and given to others who have not done the same.

Apr 07, 2014 4:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bates148 wrote:

@lysergic And who pays for the subsidies? Yep you guessed it, you do. So actually nothing really changes here, just another win for insurance corporations and the super wealthy. The cost for a procedure will likely stay the same and a trip to the ER will still foot you an outrageous bill (don’t forget, insurance doesn’t “cover it all”). This law is nothing but a scam.

Apr 07, 2014 4:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
phaber74 wrote:

It is truly amazing how a “successful” a program can be when your are considered illegal if you don’t sign up for it. Never-mind that Keizer’s nationwide poll found that 46% of all people don’t even know about the open enrollment deadline and it closes in most states in one week and won’t open until November.

So… let me get this right. I am successful if I cancel people’s insurance they choose to purchase, fear monger them into buying a plan I want them to buy or else deem they have broken the law but in one week you be out of luck because ALL insurance companies have said that they will follow the open enrollment deadline and stop selling insurance until the next open date.

Wow… I bet I could be successful at anything if I was able to stack the rules in favor like this. What a horrible disaster for our country and unfortunately it will be next administration that inherits the price tag financially and politically for it. Obama will be enjoying retirement on our tax dollars laughing at how stupid we were allowing him to make an even bigger wreck out of healthcare system.

Now who here thought that was even possible??

Apr 07, 2014 4:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

Doug, pull your head out and learn English The comma seperator clearly indicates the personal choices/hard work comment is referencing poor people(no matter their racial/ethnic makeup) not black people.

Apr 07, 2014 4:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

And Doug, your second paragraph is EXACTLY my point. Why do we as a society treat people differently when we believe all to be equal? Instead, we (liberals actually, primarily democrats) single people out and tell them they are incapable of success without significant intevention from the government. Thak you for making my point better than I did.

Apr 07, 2014 4:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

USA, I’m fine with the less fortunate, it is the less motivated and less responsible I take issue with.

Apr 07, 2014 5:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

@bates148- You were not supposed to be able to figure that out.

Apr 07, 2014 5:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
feudi wrote:

Isn’t it crystal clear that all we really needed was an ad campaign to sign up for Medicaid? That’s what these numbers tell me. Only America could spend Billions to insure 1.5 million.

Apr 07, 2014 5:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Conservatives lost, Obamacare is happening, the world is not ending. Get over it.

Apr 07, 2014 5:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Timbuk3 wrote:

@gcf, “life on a silver platter”? Seriously? You can’t be serious. The children and grandchildren of slaves, attending blacks-only schools, is this the silver platter you are talking about?

Just like it is better in the long run for America if all children have a good education, it is better if all people, even low earners and their children have access to health care. How terribly short-sighted and selfish are those who think America is better off when 50M people are uninsured.

If you don’t want any of your tax dollars to help the poor, then stop saying you want a nation based on Christian values, because you don’t.

Apr 07, 2014 5:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
elsewhere wrote:

Let’s see the dictator in chief delayed the requirement for small businesses to comply. If that had happened on schedule about now more than 40,000,000 would have lost their policies resulting in higher premiums and deductibles through Obamacare.

If you think people like Obamacare, check the polls that say 56% want it gone then imagine how many will feel that was after the small business paragraph kicks in.

You left brained just keep extolling it so we can see what happens to your precious democrat party in 16 after the requirement starts.

Apr 07, 2014 5:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
elsewhere wrote:

Let’s see the dictator in chief delayed the requirement for small businesses to comply. If that had happened on schedule about now more than 40,000,000 would have lost their policies resulting in higher premiums and deductibles through Obamacare.

If you think people like Obamacare, check the polls that say 56% want it gone then imagine how many will feel that was after the small business paragraph kicks in.

You left brained just keep extolling it so we can see what happens to your precious democrat party in 16 after the requirement starts.

Apr 07, 2014 5:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
elsewhere wrote:

Another thing, you lefties quit saying people were denied healthcare before Obamacare.

As someone who knows a healthcare provider on a hospital level, no one who arrived for care was ever denied. In fact they received better after threating to call Legal Aid. Creeps and lazy they all are.

Apr 07, 2014 5:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
moonhill wrote:

What good is insurance if you can’t find a doctor who will accept it? My son has been trying to get an appointment for his daughter and was told no doctors in the area will accept Obamacare or Medicaid.

Apr 07, 2014 6:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

elsewhere reminisces: “As someone who knows a healthcare provider on a hospital level, no one who arrived for care was ever denied. In fact they received better…”

exactly. And on whose nickel? You free-loading conservatives, it’s time to pay up and join the pool.

Apr 07, 2014 6:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

moonhill complains: “and was told no doctors in the area will accept Obamacare…”

Uh…. Obmacare is a marketplace, not an insurance provider. Doctors don’t ‘accept’ or ‘not accept’ obamacare. They have no way of even knowing if you signed up for your provider using an Obamacare exchange or not. And why would they care?

But yeah, somebody always knows somebody whose aunt saw this thing on foxnews about this one guy whose brother-in-law….

Apr 07, 2014 6:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GeorgeBMac wrote:

Success for the Democrats can be easily measured: Just look at the hate and vitriol coming from that FakeNews crowd…

Apr 07, 2014 6:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

@moonhill Read the comments above…here is where we are headed.

There will be two forms of health care, those that can pay their own way (including the POTUS and his children) and everybody else. No doctor in his/her right mind is going to take on massive debt for medical school, and then sell his/her services at below cost. That’s what Medicaid is structured to do. And because this legislation effectively doubled the number of persons eligible for Medicaid, the problem will only get worse.

In a few years you will standing in line (literally for hours) at the local “clinic”, to be checked by a health professional who was given preference to medical training because of his/her racial background. Don’t believe me, it’s in the ACA legislation. And advanced treatments will be determined by a health delivery panel. If you don’t fit the profile, you are not going to get some of the services you would receive today. That’s how they are going to reduce the costs!

That is called equal health care for all. Typical liberal model–reduce the quality for everyone so we’re all the same.

Apr 07, 2014 6:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
marv1959 wrote:

so, doubled my rates for less insurance, spent 2 trillion, took over a 6th of the economy, took choice away from adult working Americans and still has a higher percentage of uninsured Americans even after giving free insurance to 5 million people than the previous president had in his worst quarter.

Success redefined

Apr 07, 2014 7:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

marv1959 complains: “doubled my rates for less insurance…”

So get a better insurance company or plan. The above problem is your fault for sticking with them.

Apr 07, 2014 7:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
liarliarliar wrote:

average % of uninsured for BUSH 8 yrs is 14.3%

2012 uninsured = 15.4 source US CENSUS BUREAU

Apr 07, 2014 7:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laborman wrote:

There is no free ride. Of course some premiums will have to rise to cover things like people (Democrats AND Republicans) not losing health insurance because of pre-existing conditions), as well as other Obamacare mandates for improved coverage. But it will grow increasingly more difficult to try to repeal a law that is doing what it is supposed to and benefitting millions more families. Are the Republicans now going to take away health insurance from 7.1 million Americans?

Apr 07, 2014 8:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laborman wrote:

There is no free ride. Of course some premiums will have to rise to cover things like people (Democrats AND Republicans) not losing health insurance because of pre-existing conditions), as well as other Obamacare mandates for improved coverage. But it will grow increasingly more difficult to try to repeal a law that is doing what it is supposed to and benefitting millions more families. Are the Republicans now going to take away health insurance from 7.1 million Americans?

Apr 07, 2014 8:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laborman wrote:

There is no free ride. Of course some premiums will have to rise to cover things like people (Democrats AND Republicans) not losing health insurance because of pre-existing conditions), as well as other Obamacare mandates for improved coverage. But it will grow increasingly more difficult to try to repeal a law that is doing what it is supposed to and benefitting millions more families. Are the Republicans now going to take away health insurance from 7.1 million Americans?

Apr 07, 2014 8:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sydney.Kotic wrote:

I’m hearing a lot of people touting the “Compassionate Conservative” line of “Screw you, I got mine.”

Apr 07, 2014 8:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
The_Traveler wrote:

COindependent posted: “That is called equal health care for all. Typical liberal model–reduce the quality for everyone so we’re all the same.”

Yeah, don’t you just hate it when the serfs rebel?

Apr 07, 2014 8:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sydney.Kotic wrote:

The_Traveler,

Long ago I read a cartoon book for the Wizard of Id. The title was taken from a statement by the king. He was standing on the balcony, looking at a hostile crowd, and he declared “The peasants are revolting”.

Apr 07, 2014 9:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

Haha, listen to the conservatives whine about a President who does what he promises and makes serious improvements to our healthcare system. The main difference between liberals and conservatives on this issue is that conservatives don’t want to see all Americans have access to affordable healthcare, liberals do. Liberals, on this issue, are simply of the same mind as the rest of the world. Most people think affordable healthcare should be made available to all people. It’s human decency. Caring about one another is exactly what we SHOULD be doing. Conservatives, on the other hand, US conservatives anyway, are among a tiny minority on this planet who really don’t give a dam about other people and whether or not they have healthcare. Their primary concern regarding this issue is to make sure THEY have THEIR healthcare and don’t want to contribute to anyone elses. It’s too bad that this group of people happen to reside in America. It gives our nation a black eye. It’s the same group that was gung ho in their support of Bush and his invasion of Iraq, another black eye for our nation. They’re also the same people who tend not to believe that man is contributing to climate change despite the opinion of 97% of the world’s climate scientists, another source of shame for this country. They’re also the same people who believe that more guns carried by citizens reduces gun violence, even though no one else on the planet believes that and experience proves otherwise.

Well, changing the way people think is extremely difficult, but chalk one up for our President Obama the people of decency. It was a long hard struggle, but it appears to be paying off. But more work is left to be done. Let’s hope the people of decency do a better job of coming together and getting things done for this country. We’ve let the conservatives hold us back long enough. It’s time to come together and carry on.

Apr 07, 2014 9:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Trichiurus wrote:

When the nation’s taxpayer gets the bill for this, I guess this nation’s government will have to go to China for help and signup for CommieCare or maybe Russia for PutinCare.

This was a poorly conceived plan, executed in the most haphazard manner, and, being federally owned/operated, will be rife with fraud, incompetence, and monumental corruption as a baseline.

Apr 07, 2014 10:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
The_Traveler wrote:

carnivalchaos posted: “The main difference between liberals and conservatives on this issue is that conservatives don’t want to see all Americans have access to affordable healthcare, liberals do. Liberals, on this issue, are simply of the same mind as the rest of the world. Most people think affordable healthcare should be made available to all people. It’s human decency. Caring about one another is exactly what we SHOULD be doing.”

Well said. And I would add a pragmatic point, if you want to boost productivity, and hence improve the economy, (which everyone benefits from in myriad ways) then you need a workforce that is capable of doing so. Affordable healthcare is fundamental to that end.

Apr 07, 2014 10:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

It is only a few weeks ago that the right-wing party line was ‘nobody will sign up because it is cheaper to pay the fine’, so every right-wing poster was saying that.

Now they have been proved wrong by people signing up as predicted, the party line is ‘they have to buy healthcare so it mean nothing’ and they are all back again, parroting the party line – and all contradicting themselves.

It has never occurred to any of them that Americans (in contrast to Republicans) are responsible individuals who *want* to have health cover, and like the higher quality cover offered by Obamacare.

Apr 07, 2014 12:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Sky never fell. Time to move on.

Apr 08, 2014 1:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RCuthbert wrote:

The comments here read more like hate mail than anything else. Sad.
But what really astounds me is how so many of these haters do not seem to understand how insurance works and how the ACA will benefit us all by having more people insured and paying premiums, thus contributing to the system.

Any insurance is better for the tax payer than a trip to the ER.

Apr 08, 2014 1:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamesChirico wrote:

In the decade before Obamacare 8 million lost their coverage. Since the law 11 million gained insurance. Conservatives will point out any adverse effects but reality is costs have gone up far slower for most Americans. The 2015 over $600 fine will find younger people signing up being cheaper than paying the tax. The far from perfect is still better than before with over 10% rises in costs.

For the most part conservatives can’t accept the law is beginning to work having seen 4 years of negative media with many lies told. 11 red states gave opted out of covering their low income residents with subsidies in the states with the highest number of uninsured. Hospitals will do better with far less ER unpaid treatments.

The GOP has not passed anything to replace, has repealed Obamacare in 50 House passed bills. The Ryan budget does worse to Americans with the same 700 billion cut to medicare, a 25% cut to medicaid, seniors paying an additional $6000 out of pocket, all to give extra trillions to the wealthy that don’t need it. For all the trickle down job creation nonsense from the GOP, 8 years of Dubya signed budgets ended with a job loss of 4 million, an uninsured increase of 10 million.

Apr 08, 2014 5:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
marv1959 wrote:

Alkalinestate advised me to “get a better policy or plan” He should know that it is an employer based plan which doubled, as we had enrollment prior to the president delaying the mandate.

I did check healthcare.gov and found the lower priced plan ($6000 deductible on everything, narrow network with no doctors) cost $812/mo.

As a result of this registration the government sends me emails every day telling me that I must enroll. Prior to 3/31 it told me I would miss out if I did not “get insurance” by then. Since 3/31 it tells me I must finish enrollment. Since there is no actual deadline and the 5 times I have “un subscribed” have failed to stop it???I suppose that in addition to having my premium doubled and my plan ruined! I will be spammed forever.

Apr 08, 2014 6:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
marv1959 wrote:

Alkalinestate advised me to “get a better policy or plan” He should know that it is an employer based plan which doubled, as we had enrollment prior to the president delaying the mandate.

I did check healthcare.gov and found the lower priced plan ($6000 deductible on everything, narrow network with no doctors) cost $812/mo.

As a result of this registration the government sends me emails every day telling me that I must enroll. Prior to 3/31 it told me I would miss out if I did not “get insurance” by then. Since 3/31 it tells me I must finish enrollment. Since there is no actual deadline and the 5 times I have “un subscribed” have failed to stop it???I suppose that in addition to having my premium doubled and my plan ruined! I will be spammed forever.

Apr 08, 2014 6:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

the test is not how many sign up. the real test is the health care folks get, how much it cost and who pays for it. the libbies and lefties are celebrating superficially. they don’t care about health care, they only care about winning at the game (in this case getting people (i.e., enticing or forcing people to get) insurance or pay a fine), being one up on the republicans. celebrating people signing up for insurance is like me celebrating that I gathered all the ingredients for my yeast rolls. the real test is how the yeast rolls taste after they have been in the oven for a while. Libbies and lefties…don’t be so superficial. I anticipate we will continue to see their objectives change over time so they can always say they met their goals.

Apr 08, 2014 7:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamesChirico wrote:

Mnnn, ready for some good tasting rolls. Fewer people bankrupted, pre-existing getting coverage for 3X not 20X the healthy premium, 3 million kids under 26 covered, seniors getting more than $300 on avg for drugs while losing $88 for medicare advantage. 11 million people getting covered since Obamacare passed far better than 10 million losing coverage in the decade before. As time passes more benefits like hospitals not eating most of the unpaid ER treatments, earlier intervention cheaper than acute care. Superficial is complaints only and not looking at the bigger picture. Half the complaints are BS like death panels, costs rising faster than before, destruction of the medical delivery system, 6 million lost their insurance, etc., put out there by the GOP.

Apr 08, 2014 7:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
njglea wrote:

My friend’s father finally got health care through the Affordable Health Care Act and went to the doctor for health concerns, and pain, he has had for some time. He has stage 4 kidney cancer and it has spread to other parts of his body. Do the top 1% financial elite who back republicans/liberterians/tea party members and people posing as democrats and independents in our law-making bodies want us to slowly die, like other 3rd world country people? Looks like it’s working. They created death panels years ago with their greedy self-interest. As usual, they are trying to push the obscene results of their greed onto President Obama and real democrats/independents and the average “lazy” person. It won’t work – most of us have wakened up to their deceit and greed and will not vote for one of them.

Apr 08, 2014 8:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
njglea wrote:

I made my last comment before reading the usual hateful right rhetoric. My friend’s father is white as white can be and he, his wife and four of his five children work. The fifth is only 8 years old. The right-wing rhetoric falls flat – as usual.

Apr 08, 2014 9:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse

LOL gcf1965, it seems all you are capable of is spewing vile, hateful, racist filth out of your vile, hateful, racist mind. After all that crap you just wrote, are you still puzzled as to why people (rightly) call you a racist?

Good luck taking “your” country back though. LOL nope, it’s ours now. Yes, ours. You know, us ni- oops, um, inner city burger flipping baby factory welfare addicts. And us wetb- er, uh, border hopping drug toting aliens. Get used to it.

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COindependent wrote:

@traver actually the correct word is “rebell”. Our country was founded on the premise of individual liberty, and paying your own way. The rebellion you refer to does not exist as over 50% of the population has opposed ACA from the beginning. Furthermore, the numbers are getting worse as people find “what’s in it”.

No one is opposed to helping people out in their time of need. However, when you institutionalize dependency those that are required to foot the bill have the right to oppose the government takeover. You willfully ignore the fact that the legislation to cover the uninsured could have been written more simply by having the government cover the insurance premium for basic health services, but that was not the sole objective of ACA.

What this legislation has now done is to widen the gap between the haves and have-nots, not lessen it. That’s why the politicians inside the Beltway, including the President and his family, exempted themselves. What’s “equal” when the politicians and federal workers keep their gilt-edged programs while everyone else gets left with the trimmings.

You also ignore the fact that ACA expanded Medicaid eligibility, meaning that more people are subsidized by taxpayers.

Lastly, you completely and willfully ignore the fact that young people are failing to enroll at the levels expected. Meaning that the taxpayers will have to cover the shortfall in premiums. Keep drinking the kool-aid, but the this program is structurally and financially flawed. However, you won’t believe that until some government panel denies a procedure for yourself or your family–at that time, we can have another discussion about a rebelling against government involvement.

Apr 08, 2014 9:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

@traver actually the correct word is “rebell”. Our country was founded on the premise of individual liberty, and paying your own way. The rebellion you refer to does not exist as over 50% of the population has opposed ACA from the beginning. Furthermore, the numbers are getting worse as people find “what’s in it”.

No one is opposed to helping people out in their time of need. However, when you institutionalize dependency those that are required to foot the bill have the right to oppose the government takeover. You willfully ignore the fact that the legislation to cover the uninsured could have been written more simply by having the government cover the insurance premium for basic health services, but that was not the sole objective of ACA.

What this legislation has now done is to widen the gap between the haves and have-nots, not lessen it. That’s why the politicians inside the Beltway, including the President and his family, exempted themselves. What’s “equal” when the politicians and federal workers keep their gilt-edged programs while everyone else gets left with the trimmings.

You also ignore the fact that ACA expanded Medicaid eligibility, meaning that more people are subsidized by taxpayers.

Lastly, you completely and willfully ignore the fact that young people are failing to enroll at the levels expected. Meaning that the taxpayers will have to cover the shortfall in premiums. Keep drinking the kool-aid, but the this program is structurally and financially flawed. However, you won’t believe that until some government panel denies a procedure for yourself or your family–at that time, we can have another discussion about a rebelling against government involvement.

Apr 08, 2014 9:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
venturen wrote:

wow all the way back to when was president…. How pathetic. Wait till we find out who is paying for this massive boondoggle!

Apr 08, 2014 10:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamesChirico wrote:

Too funny “widen the gap between the have and have nots”, “institutionalize dependency”, “those required to foot the bill”, “oppose gov’t takeover”, “basic healthcare”, “yong people are failing to enroll” reads like fiction.

The haves pay most of the costs with highest to lowest revenue being, capital gains tax, medicare surcharge on over $200-250,000, medical device tax, $88 per policy insurance surcharge, mandate taxes. That is not widening the gap, that is shrinking it with subsidies to pay for insurance.

Seeing some in need get help is how the modern world works, not an Ayn Rand survival of the economically fittest. Medicare, social security, has been there since the 30s, so called “institutionalized dependency” is taking care of others, wanted by the vast majority of Americans.

Far too much is already taken from the working class while a bought off government shifts more wealth to the haves from the have nots. Income taxes pay only half the government revenue with payroll taxes and other charges paying the other half. That means working class Americans pay the vast majority of federal revenue.

Basic healthcare is not what bankrupts people paying medical costs, it is acute and chronic care.

In 2015 young people face an over $600 mandate tax. For the majority paying for health insurance is cheaper than the tax. That turns around their enrollment numbers and should flatten premium increases.

Apr 08, 2014 10:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
riposte wrote:

what utter nonsense..another spin to win…why not? it worked twice in the presidential elections…. all words, no substance…before it is over, will cost the tax payers two trillion dollars…

Apr 08, 2014 11:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
moosemyfrnds wrote:

ObamaCare – MNsure, the state health care insurance exchange in Minnesota, has exceeded its “goal” of signing up 135,000 people by April 1. It’s good news, of course, MNsure’s rolled out last October, The agency had set a goal at 218,000 people. The goals was lowered several times, it is now 100,000. MNsure has enrolled 36,176 in a Qualified Health Plan, 27,512 in MinnesotaCare and 73,086 in Medical Assistance. That is 73,086 receiving Medical Assistance and do not pay for service. April 1 2014. what is scarier about this, if Minnesota only has 100,000 on ObamaCare, what states are the others from, California and NYC?

Apr 08, 2014 11:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
moosemyfrnds wrote:

In the closing days of the open enrollment period for the Affordable Care Act (ACA) , the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) was mailing out letters notifying certain Americans that they had already started a healthcare coverage application on their behalf. The HHS letter stated that the information they used to begin the application for individual Healthcare was obtain by the state agency in charge of implementing Obamacare. The next step for the individual would be visit Healthcare.gov and complete the already started application to see if they qualify for “Marketplace coverage.” News of the HHS letter was first mentioned by a listener of the popular “Daybreak with Drew Steele” Show on Fox 92.5, which is out of Fort Myers, Florida.

Apr 08, 2014 11:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
smit1610 wrote:

Really? What’s the goal? Crappy and expensive healthcare for everyone? Hope and change!

Apr 08, 2014 11:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Overcast451 wrote:

*Now cue the righties that do not have this intellectual honesty, I am sure they will make up a bunch of reasons why people obtaining quality Heath insurance is a bad thing.*

No partisan on either side has any intellectual honesty – or otherwise they’d realize that the ‘left’ and ‘right’ wings are on the same bird.

Abe Lincoln once said, “You can fool some of the people, all of the time” – that’s a partisan.

Apr 08, 2014 11:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrj906202 wrote:

Obama Claus is the Santa Claus,for adults,who still think like children.Just like Santa Claus couldn’t really give you something for nothing,neither can Obama Claus.The fact that so many Americans are just children,in adult bodies,is pretty depressing.So,we will be moving to single payer,as govt subsidizes insurance buyers,sellers and health care providers.Everyone will game the system,like always happens,with govt programs.Eventually,we will get lower quality care,more rationing,more waiting.Same thing you see in other countries,with socialized health care.

Apr 08, 2014 11:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

COindependent wrote:
“@traver actually the correct word is “rebell”

No it isn’t. He was right and you are wrong.The correct word is “rebel” -> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rebel

As for the guy you are talking to… the correct word is ‘traveler’.

COindependent wrote:
“politicians inside the Beltway, including the President and his family, exempted themselves”

No they haven’t. They had employer healthcare (the Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan), just like millions of other employees do, but now they go and buy healthcare from the exchanges – and they are the only people in the USA that have given up employers healthcare to do that.

So why did you say politicians were exempted – a deliberate lie hoping nobody would check, or you just don’t have a clue?

COindependent wrote:
“You also ignore the fact that ACA expanded Medicaid eligibility, meaning that more people are subsidized by taxpayers.”

Has it never crossed your mind that the people on Medicaid pay or paid taxes?

COindependent wrote:
“Lastly, you completely and willfully ignore the fact that young people are failing to enroll at the levels expected.”

That is what Fox News keeps saying but you should stop watching that stuff. they do nothing but lie.

The lie in this case is that Obamacare needs 38% of sign-ups to be young, healthy people but that is not true. Obamacare is not the insurer. Insurers need around 25% of the pool to be low risk to make a profit, and they have got that. Learn about the numbers here:

“But, if this more extreme assumption of low enrollment among young adults holds, overall costs in individual market plans would be about 2.4% higher than premium revenues.

Insurers typically set their premiums to achieve a 3-4% profit margin, so a shortfall due to skewed enrollment by age could reduce the profit margin of insurers substantially in 2014. But, even in the worst case, insurers would still be expected to earn profits, and would then likely raise premiums in 2015 to make up the shortfall, However, a one to two percent premium increase would be well below the level that would trigger a “death spiral,””

http://kff.org/health-reform/perspective/the-numbers-behind-young-invincibles-and-the-affordable-care-act/

and here:
“Figure 1 and Table 1 show that, consistent with expectations,4 the proportion of young adults (ages 18 to 34) who have selected a Marketplace plan through the SBMs and FFM has remained strong. Young adults continued to account for 27 percent of the Marketplace plan selections”

http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2014/MarketPlaceEnrollment/Mar2014/ib_2014mar_enrollment.pdf

I know you hate it, but Obamacare is working as expected. And Republicans are planning to campaign on getting rid of it…

Apr 08, 2014 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TerryinNevada wrote:

Someone needs to do the math. How many lost their plans they “liked” but ACA screwed up? How many signed up and paid up? How many of those 40 million uninsured using ERs are now covered? How much do the increased premiums add up to? How much additional tax will it cost and finally how much has been spent on the website, advertising, exchanges,….? Why didn’t we just pick up the tab on those ER visits and call it good?

Apr 08, 2014 1:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

@TerryinNevada:

“Previously uninsured respondents accounted for 27 percent of February respondents”
and “77% reported paying their premium”

http://healthcare.mckinsey.com/sites/default/files/Individual-Market-Enrollment.pdf

So, in rough figures, around a quarter were previously uninsured and three-quarters pay immediately, which kind of sinks right-wing arguments. I don’t particularly lie Obamacare, but it is way better than the previous mess and it is looking more and more successful.

If I were a Republican right now, I would be thinking twice about campaigning to repeal Obamacare.

Apr 08, 2014 2:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lemonfemale wrote:

@USAPragmatist2
“Quality health insurance”, is the thing. $5,000 deductible and 40% co-pay is not good insurance. Now if you had a pre-existing condition and could not get insurance at all then, yes, this is better. (I understand the Republicans wanted to establish a high-risk pool for people with pre-existing conditions such as already exists in many states.)
Then there’s the cancellation of plans people liked because they didn’t cover speech therapy or some such. And the raising of premiums and severe limiting of which doctors you can see and which hospitals you can go to.

Apr 08, 2014 5:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Timbuk3 wrote:

@ coindep, “No one is opposed to helping people out in their time of need. ” Well, supporters of your position have pretty much proven that this isn’t true by their posts here. From the obvious racists (gfc) to the “let them eat cake” conservatives, it is a pretty sad lot to walk with.

Elections have consequences, one candidate ran on an “appeal Obamacare” platform, and one said “i’ll defend it” and the defender won, pure and simple.

Apr 08, 2014 9:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gcf1965 wrote:

timbuk, I am sorry you feel that trying to address the politically incorrect realities of our society is racist. It is trying to fix a problem rather than sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesnt exist.

Apr 09, 2014 8:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
prnyl wrote:

Do I hear 8 million? Then 10 million? How many have paid their premiums? Have they realized they all have increased co-pays and deductibles? Do they even know what a co-pay or deductible is?

Apr 10, 2014 1:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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