U.S. accuses Russian agents of stirring eastern Ukraine unrest

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UrDrighten wrote:

Quote: “The White House warned Putin against moving ‘overtly or covertly’ into eastern Ukraine and said there was strong evidence that pro-Russian demonstrators in the region were being paid.”

The White House is warning Russia not to use paid provocateurs to stir up ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

Where I come from, we would say, “That’s the pot calling the kettle black.”

Surely Putin must have done an LOL over that “warning”.

Apr 08, 2014 8:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ndolebay wrote:

It seem bigger and bigger

Apr 08, 2014 10:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Neurochuck wrote:

“a Russian strategy to destabilise Ukraine”
Ah hello, it is already destabilised. And if you read up on Ukraine history after the Bolshevik Revolution, and during the Germany – Russia WW2 conflict, Ukraine really knows how to “destabilise”.

Apr 08, 2014 10:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
riposte wrote:

if there are these few Ukrainians that want Putinism…let them pack up all their possessions and leave for such..

Apr 08, 2014 10:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

How many countries has the US and EU used these tactics in to destabilize them in the past year and its now Reuters choses to plaster this on the front page day after day? It’s almost as if the CIA is writing the articles.

Apr 08, 2014 10:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
crod526 wrote:

Shut the water and food supply and let them try to eat their kalishnokov rifles and stun grenades

Apr 08, 2014 10:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

rasPutin is the curse of Russia. Ukrainians now know who their worst enemy is.

Apr 08, 2014 11:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jocomus wrote:

Those who started this uprising are ethnic Russians but not necessarily residents of revolt region. They stirred waves over calm sea and then asked Putin for protection from racial mistreatment in Ukraine ?

Things just don’t add up like this.

Apr 08, 2014 11:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Macedonian wrote:

Where is democracy this is Russian spring in Ukraine. The best now is the Ukrainians start listening what the Russian majority in the east have to say. A civil war will push back the economy for at least 50 years. NATO does not accept country as a member with conflict zone or border dispute. The only interest of the west is push Russia into war to weaken its economy and military modernization. For the west the Slavs are only speaking monkeys.

Apr 08, 2014 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Ukraine populations from the East and West including Crimea lived peacefully together for many many decades during and in recent post-USSR periods.

Then came the political interventions by their right-wing nationalist politicians and the ‘not-so-little and very poorly-disguised’ outside political interference -either to expand personal spheres of political influence by gaining geo-political advantage or enhance personal electoral/political popularity. These opposing political forces have now rallied Ukrainians against one another towards a potential war.

When will the world appreciate its dire need to finally eliminate all politicians’ interference at resolving the inevitable serious political disputes and so, ensure its continued peaceful co-existence without wars? And wars, these days, are ‘un-winnable’!

Surely, in this day and age, instituting a brand new independent global body (with no attached political base) for resolving such thorny political quarrels as Ukraine (or Syria, Iran’s nuclear issue, the two-Koreas or China/Japan disputes) and ensure prevention of armed conflicts is sorely needed and is actually now feasible.

Apr 08, 2014 11:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
seymourfrogs wrote:

I broadly agree with UrDrighten.

The Ukraine, with its mixed up history, has Food. It has some oil. It has no reason to need help from the West. Lets concentrate on problems that deserve solving – a dialogue in with African leadership would be a start.

Apr 08, 2014 11:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Russian meddling.

If the ‘Russians’ in the eastern part of Ukraine are so unhappy, then they should move back to Russia. It’s like 20 miles away. Is Putin keeping them out?

Apr 08, 2014 11:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

U.S. warns: “could potentially be a contrived pretext for military intervention just as we saw in Crimea”

…. and Iraq :)

Actions have consequences.

Number of local Iraqi Civilians killed by U.S. in attempt to liberate them: 102,000.

Number of local Crimean Civilians killed by Russia in attempt to liberate them: 0.

Bush was an idiot. No one takes America seriously now.

Apr 08, 2014 11:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Calfri wrote:

Obama and Kerry talk too much, do too little. If as they say, Russia is behind this, they are, then they should impose more economic sanctions. Less than that and they are sending the message that they can get away with it. Being careful and measured is one thing, being soft is another. Obama has not been rewarded for measures like including Putin in the G-8. Putin has his own agenda, that much is clear. His failed policies have not gotten him the power and influence he wanted, so now he’s turning to military force. Okay, so now real economic sanctions are in order. Let them chafe under real economic sanctions, not these largely symbolic measures. It is time.

Apr 08, 2014 12:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ARJTurgot2 wrote:

This isn’t about Ukraine, that argument has been going on there since before the ’40′s. This is about two thin skinned egoists, O and Kerry, who decided to teach Putin a lesson after they got humiliated over Syria. Like everything else this crew does, it is turning into a mess.

Unfortunately, the cost for dealing with that mess is going to come down on the people in W. Ukraine, who are going to find themselves deeply in debt, better than half their tax revenue going to Moscow, no prospect of joining the EU for at least a decade, and the IMF gutting any public social payments. Don’t expect O or Kerry to do much about that, other than issue meaningless comments and assign blame to everyone else.

Apr 08, 2014 12:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lavrentii wrote:

Another day, another preposterous log on the fire of this West initiated fiasco with the steady stream of hypocritical claims by NATO crybabies, and the media laps it all up like puppies, same headlines, same whine…

Apr 08, 2014 12:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamieJR wrote:

It appears that Kerry is taking over as POTUS. It’s about time. Someone needs to replace the weak non-entity who now holds that job.

Apr 08, 2014 12:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SR37212 wrote:

It was the EU that seeded the protestors that led to the overthrow of a legitimate government and now they want to cry foul when the Russian’s do it? Classic definition of Hypocrisy.

Russia could supply all of Asia and Central Asia (India) with their energy needs. How long can the EU manufacturing last without Russian Energy.

Kerry is just plain flat out an Embarrassment. As American comedian Ron White said: “He had the right to keep quiet…He just didn’t have the good sense use that right.”

Apr 08, 2014 12:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hootsie wrote:

Let’s see, a test of wills between a former KGB killer and “Mr. Burn Someone Else’s Medals in a Protest” and his pot smoking, Portuguese Water Dog owning boss. Dear God, we’re doomed.

Apr 08, 2014 12:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
The_Traveler wrote:

“Armed pro-Moscow protesters were still occupying Ukrainian government buildings in two cities in the largely Russian-speaking east on Tuesday, although police ended a third occupation in a lightning night-time operation.”

Makes one wonder just how long Putin has been putting this in place. These kinds of “operations” don’t just happen with angry mobs and protesters.

You don’t have to be the Secretary of State to see where this is going. Putin’s plan is to recover the lands Russia has lost and expand back to it’s Cold War boundaries. Russian has taken Crimea, and pretty much no one raised a finger. Now they’ll focus on the Ukraine, then …

Welcome to the Cold War Redux

Apr 08, 2014 12:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ren1 wrote:

Yeah

Apr 08, 2014 12:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kehenaliving wrote:

WHAT DID THE US EXPECT? We did NOTHING when the Commies (and they still are and act like it) invaded Crimea; so warlord Putin knows we’ll do nothing to stop him now.

Apr 08, 2014 1:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

Kerry, you’re as big a joke as your boss.

Apr 08, 2014 1:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SaveRMiddle wrote:

@Daniel3125…..Ain’t that the truth. US Propaganda is alive and well.

Apr 08, 2014 1:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
libertadormg wrote:

This saber rattling certainly roils the gold and crude oil market. Imagine what it would do if some hothead were to fire a gun?

Apr 08, 2014 1:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

You mean “Back off, Mexico!” don’t you?

Apr 08, 2014 1:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
StigTW wrote:

450,000 is a rather significant number of people… I don’t think Russia sent 1/2 million people in there. IF the ‘people’ want a referendum let them decide. If they don’t have the support they will fail if the people that live there support it let’s respect that after all it’s up to those that live there.

Apr 08, 2014 1:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Putin doesn’t care much about the US/EU sanctions, Obama, Merkel, or anyone/anything else for that matter. For his long-term strategy and way of thinking is: presidents and chancellors come and go but dictators stay forever.

Besides, it’s pretty obvious now that he is doing this forceful dismembering of Ukraine with a silent but full coordination with China.

Unfortunately, a lot of time has been wasted, and the only language they’ll understand now is language of FORCE.

Apr 08, 2014 2:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Louieloueye wrote:

This is starting to look like that documentary “Confessions of an Economic Hit man” It’s by John Perkins Ex-CIA and it’s on Youtube. It describes how the United States of America, through corporations and the CIA, wages economic wars against countries in order to control their resources. Where economics (Sanctions) fail, the CIA will come in creating dissent (Propaganda) to overthrow a non-compliant government. Where that fails, assassination is employed. Only after all these options have failed will the U.S. military become involved.

Apr 08, 2014 2:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

Bottomline, Putin is a bully who thinks he can do whatever he wants. Well, he can’t.

Apr 08, 2014 2:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamieJR wrote:

SR37212 is right. It was the EU and its expansionist policies that started all of this. It already comprises 28 countries but that wasn’t enough. It had to go after Ukraine, a place it doesn’t belong. The EU should stay in its own sphere.

Apr 08, 2014 2:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

Humbug!

Apr 08, 2014 2:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

Humbug!

Apr 08, 2014 2:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

Humbug!

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UauS wrote:

@Louieloueye wrote: “…the United States of America, through corporations and the CIA, wages economic wars against countries in order to control their resources.”

WOW! It sounds as the United States of America occupied Crimea and forcefully grabbed all its natural resources. Putin’s propaganda cynicism and hypocrisy would make Goebbels jealous…

Apr 08, 2014 2:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fred5407 wrote:

Well it is an election year in the US and all Mr O knows to do is campaign and collect money. The Democrats are doomed if any show of force is used. Britain did economic control through the colonial system for many years but after while the countries got smart and kicked them out. Can sthe Ukraine and Europe survive without Russian oil and gas. I believe they can, but at what price. Mr pipeline veto master assured that the US could not help with oil and gasoline exports. I noticed no greenies have posted on this. I think they finally see the handwriting on the wall.

Apr 08, 2014 2:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beerpatzer wrote:

Americans are too fat and too lazy to die for Ukraine = FACT

Apr 08, 2014 2:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
brotherkenny4 wrote:

I can’t see us stealing russia’s oil, so Kerry should stick to the overthrow of Venezuela. I know he’ll try that too, but I am just saying I can’t see any money in a war with Russia, which is the real reason we fight wars. The facists have been pretty stupid lately. Although, the tax payers are the ones that pay, not the corporations that Kerry and other politicians really support. Americas have ben pretty stupid too, as they think they will see some benefit to getting the oil and other resources, but they never do, they just pay the price. On the other hand, most americans do seem rather masochistic. I mean that they like the pain. They like the sadists. And, many want to die. I wish they’d just commit suicide so as not to influence elections with their pain desires.

Apr 08, 2014 3:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FreeOregon wrote:

Why is it OK for the US and Europe to stir unrest, but not for Russia to copy us and do the same?

Are there good alchemists and bad alchemists? How do we tell the difference?

Apr 08, 2014 3:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

Ah, Judging from their comments, the usual con ChickenHawks think we should go to war with Russia over this. You know who else tried to invade Russia? I’m betting you don’t – cons never learn from history, or anything else. Hint: His initials were A.H.

Apr 08, 2014 3:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamieJR wrote:

Because we, us Americans, stir unrest ‘for the greater good’.

Apr 08, 2014 3:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bludde wrote:

The Russians view Kerry as a Vietnam war deserter who publicly cried “uncle”… The President would have better luck getting his message across hiring Schwartzenegger to deliver it..

Apr 08, 2014 3:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@Macedonian
> For the west the Slavs are only speaking monkeys.
At least the west hasn’t implemented genocide or killed Ukrainian soldiers, nor stolen land, or broken agreements (ukraine gives up nuke for security agreement). With Russian slavs killing Ukrainian slavs and taking their land – not like that hasn’t happened before, Russians killing Ukrainians – with friends like the Russians the Ukrainians don’t need enemies.

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stambo2001 wrote:

@Louieloueye Thanks for the lead, don’t think I’ve watched that one. Another good one for deluded minds is the movie ‘Dirty Wars’.

Apr 08, 2014 3:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

A new country is not the solution. Just as in Central African Republican and South Sudan, it will cause more problems than it solves.

Let these malcontents move back to Russia if they want to be Russian. There is a very big place already available for people feeling…. Russian.

Apr 08, 2014 3:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@JamieJR
You aren’t American. And you won’t be any time soon even if it is in your wildest dreams. You belong to a cursed nation, along with your failing economy and gangster thug RasPutin dictator. You in your wildest dreams would love to be an American making a real wage with real freedom, and believe it or not the Ukrainians are now on their way to a real economy with real trading partners. Ukrainians know who their real enemy is now.

Apr 08, 2014 3:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

@FreeOregon: if you’re talking about Ukraine, the US and Europe did not stir unrest over there. In 2004 it was called Orange Revolution, in 2014 it is called Maidan, but in both cases it is the people of Ukraine protesting against Putn’s puppet Yanukovich.

A big difference in 2014 is that Putin has made trillions of petrol-dollars since 2004, and Bush weakened the USA and Europe with two wars and a huge recession.

Apr 08, 2014 3:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

> Russia warns of civil war in Ukraine
Actually there will be war, but it won’t be civil. This will be war alright, but it will be between Russia and Ukraine. Russian soldiers trying to occupy Ukrainian land, fighting Ukrainian partisan Guerrillas. You know if the Russian propaganda can’t even identify that Ukrainians will be sending Russians back home to their moscow homes in bodybags, who are they going to say is killing their sons when the war starts?

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Marcoborg wrote:

Western and Eastern/Southern Ukraine are already “destabilized” – by almost everything language, history, religion, industries, voting patterns etc. In fact the question should be asked why they are assembled together.

And one thing is for sure. If America’s friends in Lviv and Kiev think they can rule over Eastern Ukraine, by putting obliging oligarchs as Kommandants, have Lvivian Fascists trained by American “anti-insurgency” experts like James Steele and “allow” Russian to be taught as a foreign language they’ve got a big shock coming.

The American people should worry more about what’s happening to them than about “Putin”. What’s happening to them are basically two things. The 1% or 5% or whatever, are moving their factories, industries and in many cases even research overseas. And now they are even replacing the American people themselves with people from the Third World. 85% of immigrants are from the Third World, bringing Third World cultures with them.

Apr 08, 2014 4:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CliveOcna wrote:

Kerry should know. The CIA has been doing the same thing in other countries for years.

The overthrow of the (PERSIAN) Iranian Government of 1953 which was funded and prosecuted by the OIL COMAPNIES is not so far away that its effects have been blunted. Today’s oil alliances come directly out of that.

South Sudan is very fresh in our minds.

WHat Kerry doesn’t want the RUSSIANS to do he must not allow the AMERICANS to do.

Clive OCnacuwenga

Apr 08, 2014 4:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jimlahey wrote:

The US has certainly done this EXACT stuff to put a puppet government a hundred times all over the world, and a lot crueler and messier than russia is doing now. The difference is russia is TAKING the area, whereas the US just puts a patsy in charge to protect the petrodollar…

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mrnukem wrote:

If Russia wants to go back to the Cold War way of thinking then the west should start shipping weapons, aircraft and other military needs to the Ukraine, send in a NATO fleet into the Black sea on maneuvers through ports in Turkey. Bring back part of the Truman doctrine’s containment policy.

We may not be up for going to war with Russia over this but we sure as hell can arm the Ukrainians and contain any further Russian expansion through economic sanctions and arming the countries Russia wants to threaten. Make any expansion they try for cot them dearly.

Apr 08, 2014 4:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mrnukem wrote:

If Russia wants to go back to the Cold War way of thinking then the west should start shipping weapons, aircraft and other military needs to the Ukraine, send in a NATO fleet into the Black sea on maneuvers through ports in Turkey. Bring back part of the Truman doctrine’s containment policy.

We may not be up for going to war with Russia over this but we sure as hell can arm the Ukrainians and contain any further Russian expansion through economic sanctions and arming the countries Russia wants to threaten. Make any expansion they try for cot them dearly.

Apr 08, 2014 4:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Hold the phone! I think 0bama may be getting read to draw a red line!

Apr 08, 2014 4:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

“FreeOregon wrote:

Why is it OK for the US and Europe to stir unrest, but not for Russia to copy us and do the same?”

Because the corrupt don’t know the word hypocrisy. First EU/US “boots on the ground” after coup were IMF, Exxon and Chevron.

Assistant Secretary of State Nuland returns from the EU after Ukraine coup and her first address is at a business conference with the Exxon and Chevron logos displayed proudly in the background.

Apr 08, 2014 4:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

SEND LOTS OF WEAPONS TO THE UKRAINIANS.
AND DYNAMITE FOR THE PIPELINES, LOTS OF DYNAMITE.

Apr 08, 2014 5:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

SEND LOTS OF WEAPONS TO THE UKRAINIANS.
AND DYNAMITE FOR THE PIPELINES, LOTS OF DYNAMITE.

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carlmartel wrote:

The EU and IMF destabilize Ukraine with austerity. 50% gas price rises on May 1 will hit Ukrainian consumers on June 8. 40% business and utility gas price rises will hit August 1 for store prices and September 8 for electricity bills. That causes riots like Greece, Spain, and, in this case, Ukraine. The West’s plan for Ukraine’s repayment will likely be upset by revolution, so the EU and IMF may destabilize themselves. Who will our leaders (?) blame then?

Putin offered $15 billion, lower gas prices, no austerity, and a new rail link to China to sell Ukraine’s grain for repayment. Putin’s plan made more sense in this case because he included repayment without provoking riots or revolutions. Over time, Ukraine could have made small price rises instead of 50% and 40% price shocks.

Finally, crises in Ukraine make it wise for Russia to have more troops on Ukraine’s borders for the duration of the unrest just as we have armed and strengthened our border forces near Mexico during the increase in the drug wars.

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Stickystones wrote:

UScitizentoo wrote:

SEND LOTS OF WEAPONS TO THE UKRAINIANS.
AND DYNAMITE FOR THE PIPELINES, LOTS OF DYNAMITE.

Yeah that’s the spirit, we shouldn’t let the Russians have all the fun! At least make it difficult for them. Unfornately the Ukrainians are caught between a rock and a hard place!

Apr 08, 2014 5:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

The USA wasted it’s humanitarian might by bullying their way for profit under the guise of taking down countries for the better of the people.

Now with virtually no USA power left to control the world – we are in for some serious jockeying for position. This will surely lead to a world war in the next decade or less.

Apr 08, 2014 5:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

We warned of this exact kind of situation back in 2003 when Bush and Cheney were busy lying to Congress, faking reasons to invade Iraq. “What if Russia starts doing this?” Ahh, they would never. Our success in Iraq will wow them and scare them. Shock and Awe! :)

Apr 08, 2014 6:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

With Ukraine, the world, its national political leaders and press corps seem intent on playing with the potential fire of world implosion. They cannot accept the continual failure of politicians at wars prevention, relying continually on them to alleviate contrived political crises.

FACT: All national political leaders, because of their historical ability to create wars, can readily start conflicts from their mutual antagonisms. They all control standing armies just for this.

CONSEQUENCES: Politicians relished starting WW1, both the League of Nations (for WW2) and the United Nations (many post-1945 wars) was/is ineffective because its patrons were/are national political leaders whose personal and bloc-political interests need protection.

To rely on politicians to prevent such crises as Ukraine or Syria is futile and extremely dangerous. And wars nowadays are generally ‘un-winnable’ and untenable!

SOLUTION: Instituting a brand new independent global body (with no political attachment) which cannot create wars, to resolve inevitable serious political quarrels and prevent wars will eliminate anyone’s right to create wars. This body would also have authority to enforce its resolutions without any armies.

Apr 08, 2014 7:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

With Ukraine, the world, its national political leaders and press corps seem intent on playing with the potential fire of world implosion. They cannot accept the continual failure of politicians at wars prevention, relying continually on them to alleviate contrived political crises.

FACT: All national political leaders, because of their historical ability to create wars, can readily start conflicts from their mutual antagonisms. They all control standing armies just for this.

CONSEQUENCES: Politicians relished starting WW1, both the League of Nations (for WW2) and the United Nations (many post-1945 wars) was/is ineffective because its patrons were/are national political leaders whose personal and bloc-political interests need protection.

To rely on politicians to prevent such crises as Ukraine or Syria is futile and extremely dangerous. And wars nowadays are generally ‘un-winnable’ and untenable!

SOLUTION: Instituting a brand new independent global body (with no political attachment) which cannot create wars, to resolve inevitable serious political quarrels and prevent wars will eliminate anyone’s right to create wars. This body would also have authority to enforce its resolutions without any armies.

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Lovetwo wrote:

Who’s “The Biggest Psychopath” now Long Devil?

Don’t worry Champ, you’re still winning.
You should be to Hell in no time.

Peace be with you All.
Love
Omega

Apr 08, 2014 7:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

There is another article about the US and NATO tripling their patrol aircraft in the Baltic. They stalwartly defend the Russian pipelines that send Russian gas to the EU. They burn three times the fuel and lubricants than they normally burn to defend these vital Russian gas pipelines. It is probable that the EU buys oil from Russia that the EU refines into aviation fuels and lubricants for the triple patrols in the Baltic that defend Russian gas pipelines. Of course, NATO must pay Russia three times as much to defend Russian gas pipelines as NATO normally spends to defend Russian gas pipelines, but this is a serious crisis, and we must teach the Russians a lesson, so no expense is too massive. Besides, if we go too deeply into debt, we can always ask the IMF for a loan, and the IMF can impose more austerity measures on us.

Apr 08, 2014 8:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sarkozyrocks wrote:

This is rich…Kerry the pot calling the kettle black… Those evil Russkies fomenting revolution, and we’re Snow White… Who outside an asylum believes this stuff?

Apr 08, 2014 8:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

Kerry and his whole team should be fired.

This fiasco in Ukraine should have been resolved diplomatically behind closed doors. But the American State Department, probably riddled with Neocons, couldn’t resist going for the Russian jugular.

East Ukraine will almost certainly go with Russia. At this point, who can stop it?

If the interim Ukrainian government moves militarily against the separatists, Russia will (appropriately) have to intervene. And if Kiev doesn’t move against them, a de facto independent state will have emerged whose raison d’être is joining Russia.

It’s done!

Apr 08, 2014 8:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

No comment for me. I read all the comments. Interesting. Some even funny. I started to come to Reuters for the comments not the propaganda articles.

I particularly liked @daniel3125 comment.

I wish peace to Ukrainians.

Apr 08, 2014 8:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

riposte wrote:……

I could,nt have said it better myself. Good thought….send them all to Russia that wish to go with them but Don,t steal their land and keep Ukraine well…. Ukraine

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itsmysayokay wrote:

daniel3125 wrote:
Yet another attack on Government controlled media….what more can I say?

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Lovetwo wrote:

Warning! Global alert!

Senator John McCain has been very quiet lately. This can’t be good.

Be on the look out for “Five eyed” Trojan Horses baring false flags and screaming. Tarra! Tarra! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming”!

Love
Omega

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xcanada2 wrote:

It is interesting that US Asst Sect of State (F the EU) Nuland says it took $5 billion dollars and ten years to achieve penetration into Ukraine where she could order up Yats as President and keep Klitch out. Then, it was required to have snipers killing over 80 people, to finally get the US-sponsored putch in Kiev to work to US satisfaction. (EU diplomats must have wondered what they were doing there, bothering to make agreements with Yanukovitch.)

But now, Kerry claims Russia has managed to engineer a coup in Crimea with no deaths in a matter of days, and is somehow doing the same thing in SE Ukraine. This tells us something we should listen to: SE Ukrainians have close-long-standing ties with Russia. Crimea evidently wildly cheered getting into Russia. Russia might not have had to do anything at all, to have Crimea secede. This apparently is incomprehensible to the US administration.

I doubt that Russia will take over SE Ukraine. It is not such a completely clean case as they had in Crimea. But, if the US boxes in Russia by force of arms against the Russian speaking SE Ukrainians, Russia might just have to intervene for humanitarian reasons and to save face with their people. I just can’t see any clear reason why the US would want to end up with a divided Ukraine: they’d get stuck with the poorer W Ukraine, and would face an impossible task of catchup with the now-Russian SE Ukraine.

The whole US operation just seems stupid, from any point of view. Even a realist politico, a person completely unlimited by morality and willing to do anything to advance US hegemony, would be hard pressed to give any advantage gained by the $5B of US taxpayers money on this most foul project. On the other hand, it is easy to make a long list of downsides.

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kommy wrote:

On May 1, the IMF will not provide a credit to Ukraine, and ukrainian army will rush to surrender across Russian borders- this will be only escalation of the conflict.

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john.davies wrote:

“There’s no hostages. The building is not mined.” – Head of Public Relations Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in Lugansk region Tatiana Pogukay

It’s just as always blatant propaganda from the self-appointed Kiev’s authorities. Even local police-staff did not believe them. And Reuters always reprints it. It’s not a free speech.

Apr 09, 2014 3:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
waltkie wrote:

Although I’m not a Kerry fan and feel he’s better suited to be mayor of some stick- up-the-butt town in Mass than he is fumbling around on the worlds stage, I think he is an impossible situation in dealing with world leaders who have about as much fear and respect for a bama led country than ‘chelle had for it before her man obtained his undeserved position. Perhaps this is part of the reason hillary got out of Dodge. Just as they do in political dealings with Republicans, this bunch attacks foreign countries publicly to impress those easily impressed by mere words, and without publicly offering any olive branches they expect this rhetorical meanness to lead to a close, private, working relationship. I’m no Henry Kissinger but this seems backasswards.

Apr 09, 2014 8:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
durpinkancha wrote:

In this age of democracy, popular regional aspirations should be respected. In my view, a more inclusive approach is required to diffuse the situation created by the current administration in Kiev.

Apr 09, 2014 8:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

On a number of occasions, I have made an interesting observation on Reuters comment board policy. As soon as a comment that presents factual data showing that point of view supported and instigated by their “journalism” is false, Reuters pushes that particular discussion board back, often retrieving an older one. Here I repeat my last post in yesterday’s headline article, which was immediately “hidden” behind this older one.

WestFlorida wrote: The countries that join Europe become wealthy, those that stay with Russia remain poor and corrupt.

This is a prime example of cargo cult economics. It is interesting that people here practice it like indigenous people of those far-away islands.

As I have already pointed out in one of the past posts, this sort of assessment does not square up with numbers. Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, all joined EU more than 7 years ago. All these countries have lower GDP/capita, GNI/capita and average net monthly salary than Russia. Poland, your other example, having joined the EU more than 10 years ago with GDP/capita twice that of Russia, and incomes much higher, too, now has smaller GDP, although still comparable GNI. Again, these are the numbers that you can easily get on the UN/CIA/IMF/WB cites. And they do not square with your spells. Why do you cast your spells then? Good question…

Apr 10, 2014 9:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Here is a bit more of factual numbers from the UN data to clear up brains of those who has them and still believes in cargo cult economics of “joining west are prosperous” vs “those aligned with Russia are miserable and corrupt. The table below shows GDP/capita for two pairs of very similarly positioned countries – Armenia vs Georgia and Belarus vs Bulgaria. Georgia has been long aligned to the West and has been prolifically hailed, including by Reuters, for its “reformed economy” and “economic achievements”. Armenia has recently joined Russia’s customs union. Similarly, Bulgaria has been the EU member for more than 7 years, while Belarus has open trade and union agreement with Russia. In both examples GDP/capita is the same to within 5-10%. While Bulgaria’s 2012 GDP is still about 5% higher than in Belarus, the growth between 2001 and 2012 is almost 50% higher in Belarus.

Country or Area Year Item Value
Armenia 2012 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 3,351
Armenia 2001 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 692
Belarus 2012 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 6,726
Belarus 2001 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 1,245
Bulgaria 2012 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 7,004
Bulgaria 2001 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 1,748
Georgia 2012 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 3,632
Georgia 2001 Gross Domestic Product (GDP) 688

Apr 10, 2014 9:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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