Amid 'gas war' talk, Russia reassures Europe on supply

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boreal wrote:

If EU is going to reverse gas flow towards the east to supply Ukraine with gas, and pump an ample quantity of cash with it to keep Ukraine afloat, it will be an extra burden on EU states. At the end, it may backfire. People on EU’s streets may revolt against their leaders and demand referendum to live the EU and to join Russia/Russian economic block!

Apr 11, 2014 1:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

“I want to say again: We do not intend and do not plan to shut off the gas for Ukraine,” Putin said…” – Does anyone still trust what Putin says?..

Apr 11, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Unles the EU is prepared to settle Ukraines outstanding bill for $2.2billion of already supplied, and used Gas, then Russia has every right to close the European access pipeline-for as it crosses Ukraine, there is little doubt that the new powers that be would have no second thoughts about siphoning off supplies for themselves and Ukraine, from European comitted energy.
America should shut up about Russia stopping the Gas supplies-in America you dont pay for Gas-you dont have Gas-simples.
In Europe and Britain, you dont pay for Gas-you dont have Gas-simples.
What part of paying for something instead of trying to get it for free does Ukraine not understand?
I for one dont wish to face an escalating bill because the EU decide to pay Ukraines liabilities, and I am sure most Europeans would not be happy facing such an issue-but have to face it we may well.
If america is so entranced by the new Ukraine Government, let THEM supply the place with Gas by whatever means they can.
MS.

Apr 11, 2014 1:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seafloor wrote:

Although Putins claims are overdone, the EU has known before, that the administrative system of the oligarchic Ukraine is a hardship case. However, I like remembering the plutocrats, that the ware has the value and money is only a unit of measurement.
The US-government will look stupide with further war rethoric. Politicians from both countries, Ukraine and Russia have already met in Vienna to discuss future relations. Businiess is more immportant than war.

Apr 11, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
seafloor wrote:

Although some of Gazproms claims are overdone, the EU has known before, that the administrative system of the oligarchic Ukraine is a hardship case. Also I like plutocrats remembered anytime, that the ware has the value and money is only a unit of measurement.
Back in business activities the US-government would look like lost in the past with further war rhetoric. Politicians from both countries, Ukraine and Russia have already met in Vienna to discuss future relations. Business is more immportant than war.

Apr 11, 2014 2:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AH-64A wrote:

In my opinion America’s interest in all of this is simple. If Putin is allowed to run rough-shod over one Eastern European country without some kind of cost, whats to stop him from going all out and taking more.(Baltics,Poland,etc). All used to be part of USSR or under their direct control. Surely the land grab in Crimea should stand good for any and all debts owed Russia by Ukraine, and more so. You know he is’nt gonna give it back. He says one day he is gonna cut off the gas for non-payment, and the next that he’s not. He says he doesnt plan on invasion of Ukraine proper, but yet tens of thousands of Russian soldiers are staged on the border. Its intimidation at least, invasion at worst. Ukraine is in a pickle and I for one dont see any clear way out for them except submission to Russia.

Apr 11, 2014 2:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bob9999 wrote:

“Amid ‘gas war’ talk, Russia reassures Europe on supply”

They didn’t have troops in Crimea, either.

Apr 11, 2014 2:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@magistersampson

What part of price-gouging and unfair competition do you not understand. They have raised the prices on gas many,many times since the Ukraine broke away. It’s not a business decision, it cost no more today than it did last year to pump and transit the gas to the Ukraine. Putin is using the oligarchy of Gazprom to attempt to bankrupt the Ukraine so he can step in and be the savior. Shabby , shady and ignorant.

Considering Russia has threatened to not pay it’s bills in America of we do anything they don’t like, will confiscate US infrastructure and openly challenge the world using his draconian techniques, while all the while decrying the same from the EU and US, seems to me the word of the day is лицемер (hypocrite).

Let him stop the gas. The EU will fire up old coal plants, restart mothballed reactors and find alternative fuel sources, Russia however will die on the vine without the EU’s money. May take a few years but in the end Russia economy is far more dependent on the US and EU than the other way around.

Apr 11, 2014 3:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Zeken wrote:

The only clear way out is to stop trying to encircle Russia, politically or otherwise.

You don’t want a reaction, don’t do the action.

Apr 11, 2014 3:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Putin doesn’t want Europe to try to find alternative sources of energy. For instance Russia does NOT want Germany to reverse its decision to shut down its nuclear power plants and replacing them with Russian gas.

Apr 11, 2014 3:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@magistersampson: How much should Russia pay for the gas fields of the Crimean peninsula it stole from Ukraine? The fields were valued at 10 billion dollars.

Apr 11, 2014 3:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxen wrote:

NATO boos telling Russia to withdraw from its own territory shown how naive that boss is. First that order cannot be headed, second it cannot be enforced, and finally it is rubbish!

Apr 11, 2014 4:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

rasPutin is a liar.
Nobody believes his assurances about anything.

Apr 11, 2014 4:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

Ukraine now pays slightly less than the EU for their gas. What’s so “evil” about that? There’s no more strategic reason to subsidize Ukraine natural gas now that they’ve joined the West. This is quite logical I’m not sure why people are missing it. For those who think all Ukraine or the EU has to do is go find gas elsewhere don’t understand what they’re talking about. Even if the US could export natural gas they’d need to build an inter-atlantic pipeline which could take years and would end up costing a good 50% more than what the Russians are charging. You think the bankrupt EU and its citizens are going to sign up for that? Russia is playing from a position of strength at the moment while the West continues to throw around empty threats and warnings that lack any teeth.

Apr 11, 2014 4:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

I have pointed out in several comments that the most simple way to avoid any cut off of gas is to arrange loans to Ukraine to pay its gas bills. In this article, “European Energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger told Austria’s ORF radio he was working on a plan to help Ukraine pay its gas bills to ensure its debts do not rise.” Someone in the EU appears to be thinking along similar lines. Russian price rises are the ending of discounts. First, Ukraine rejected Russia’s offer to Yanukovich of lower gas prices. Second, Crimea’s election ended Russia’s discount to Ukraine for Sevastopol because Russia does not need to pay rent for a base that is now part of Russia.

Another EU concern is the more than $200 billion that Ukraine owes to banks in Austria, Germany, Italy, Portugal, and Greece. Austria and Germany may survive, but Italy, Portugal, and Greece may enjoy new poverty, unrest, and riots. Banks in the last three countries took advantage of Ukraine’s higher interest rates for riskier loans, and they may suffer and drag down the EU again. Ukraine’s repayment will be hard because the Hryvnia, its currency, is down 40.5% in the first three months of 2014, so financial crises and riots may be in the EU’s immediate future. NATO may need to defeat their own people before they can face Russian troops.

Apr 11, 2014 4:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

@Grandpa_Tarkin “How much should Russia pay for the gas fields of the Crimean peninsula ”

As much as what the US paid Serbia for Kosovo.

Apr 11, 2014 4:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

With regard to NATO claims that Russia is “massing forces on the border,” I have seen one of the US satellite photos entitled “Figure 12 – Artillery Battalion” with an “Image Date: Mar 27, 2014.” It is NOT a Russian build up; it shows a Russian self-propelled artillery unit near Novocherkassk according to the photo’s caption. The vehicles are parked in neat rows as they would be in a base. There are no revetments or camouflage that units on maneuvers or preparing for action would have.

Google maps with the photo option reveals a Russian mechanized infantry base 5 miles northeast of Novocherkassk similar to Fort Hood near Killeen, Texas. A photo of the base’s entrance shows a Russian armored personnel carrier on display. The base is an open area with a few winding roads going into it along the Novocherkassk to Shakhty road.

It appears that the Obama regime is lying to create a false crisis. Should Mexico prepare for war with the US over the presence of US troops at Fort Hood? The US has taken land from Mexico in the past and may want Mexico’s oil today. Should every country in the world impose sanctions on the US, refuse to trade with the US, and refuse to buy anything made in the US over US plans for aggression against Mexico that are “proved” by US troop deployments near Mexico? The US may need to reveal better evidence or reveal nothing to prevent the US getting caught lying like it did to launch its illegal invasion of Iraq.

Apr 11, 2014 5:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

@pyanitsa: is Kosovo part of the US now? :)

Apr 11, 2014 5:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Putler? Don’t make me laugh. He’s nothing but a small time thug that is gonna get his legs broke. Americans have long memories. And a BIG economy. And Big weapons.

Apr 11, 2014 5:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Russia said it was normal military activity, not preparation for any attack:

Bull tweet at that .Putin is fixing for a confrontation with Ukraine and the west will not sit idly by and let this happen. Putin is lying through his teeth and is bent on re-creating the old soviet union. Don,t trust Putin. If anybody pushed any button Putin will be first in line. He is a modern day Hitler!

Apr 11, 2014 5:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

seafloor wrote: Business is more important than war. ??? I think in the best interest of all Nations war seems to be more interesting by the looks of it in my opinion. Power and greed rule this world nowadays.

Apr 11, 2014 5:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

And again I say that Russia,s Putin may be playing the cards on a bigger scale but it will backfire on him. Ukraine will end up with a full house :)

Apr 11, 2014 6:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

urownexperience wrote: Amen Amen….Putin is a thug and thank you for your comment.It s could,nt be further from the truth.

Apr 11, 2014 6:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

urownexperience wrote: Amen Amen….Putin is a thug and thank you for your comment.It s could,nt be further from the truth.

Apr 11, 2014 6:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
longtail wrote:

The problem with Vlad is that he was threatening the supply of gas to Europe yesterday and reassuring them of a continued supply today. It’s a little like if your local oil supply company was run by a manic depressive, you might want to look around for another company.

Apr 11, 2014 6:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

@UauS: Kosovo is part of the European Union now. That result was driven by the US which managed to do it in the teeth of opposition from Russia, Serbia and the ex Yugoslavia. The US aka NATO bombed a European city, Belgrade, with B-52′s in 1999. The point is not whether the US acquired the territory. The point is who was responsible for its loss and who will compensate.

If the US manages to wrest Ukraine away from the Russian “near abroad” into the folds of NATO because the US backed regime in Kiev demanded it, would you expect the US to pay Russia for the loss of its “near abroad” ?

The majority of the Crimean population want to be an autonomous republic in the Russian Federation. That is a fact. The regime in Kiev clearly does not represent Ukraine. Does it make the decisions for the people of Crimea? Or do the people who live in Crimea decide where their future lies?

Apr 11, 2014 6:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Gandaffy wrote:

Just another wilfull misrepresentation of the facts by Western media.

Soon enough the people of Ukraine will evict these Zio bankster squatters and rejoin the Russian federation.

Apr 11, 2014 11:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fromkin wrote:

“Does anyone still trust what Putin says?..”

Does anyone still trust what Obama says?

In today’s world nobody should trust nobody.

You probably trust John McCain, Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Duck Dynasty types,…

Apr 11, 2014 12:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yesyes wrote:

@pyanitsa Kosovo is not part of the European Union. EU accession is a long and complicated process, which for the foreseeable future is likely to be opposed by both Spain and Cyprus, who don’t want to set a precedent that might encourage separatist movements in their own countries.

Also, if you believe Serbia should be compensated for the loss of Kosovo, do you therefore believe that Serbia should compensate Croatia for their annexation of the Krajina region, or that Georgia should be compensated for the loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

Apr 11, 2014 12:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yesyes wrote:

@Fromkin “In today’s world nobody should trust nobody”

An odd statement for you to make, considering that you’ve been posting here for years trying to convince everybody to trust everything Vladimir Putin and anybody allied to him says

Apr 11, 2014 12:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yesyes wrote:

@Gandaffy Ukraine was never part of the Russian Federation, how can they “rejoin” it?

Apr 11, 2014 12:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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