Separatists tighten grip on east Ukraine, EU agrees more sanctions on Moscow

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DwayneItIs wrote:

It’s amazing how quickly history can be re-written. Just two months ago, these men would have been called “The supporters of the democratically elected government of Ukraine.” But after the pro-fascist Neoconservative coup that’s been fed by billions of oil dollars over many years, they’re called “Pro-Russian rebels”.

Apr 13, 2014 9:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

“We are ready to defend ourselves,” said separatist Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, who said he had taken over leadership of Slaviansk after the city’s mayor fled.

Lol….dream on buddy! It ain,t over till its over and Putin is in for a very big wake up call if he continues to intervene in Eastern Ukraine. NATO will kick thier butts.

Apr 13, 2014 9:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Putler is about to make a very serious mistake if he goes into Ukraine overtly. Russia will become mistrusted by the entire financial world. And Russia will collapse.

Apr 13, 2014 11:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Zymbat wrote:

Wow, Russia’s really bullying their neighbors once again. It says a lot about a country when you are fighting with your neighbors. Its strange how the Russians still think they are on the right side of history when everyone else thinks they bullies.

Apr 13, 2014 11:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Putler is boxed in. Ukraine has him by the short hairs. If he invades, he loses all financial interests, his market will crash along with his currency. and Russia will be brought to its knees. If he backs down, he loses face. Nice job Putler you idiot.

Apr 13, 2014 11:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YesNoMaybeSo wrote:

@ Dwayneltls Perhaps their called pro-Russian rebels because Russia just took over part of Ukraine and are looking for even more property to feed Mother Russia…yum yum eat em up.

Apr 13, 2014 12:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxen wrote:

NATO=USA/EU should stop meddling and causing chaos is various regions.
The notion that what supporters of West do is right and opponents are wrong all the time must stop. The Ukriane chaos was facilitated to a great deal by politicians in West capitals like Nuland, Ashton and other envoys. Regions in Ukraine should have chance to decide their future. NATO has forces its hand too much trying to curtail any influence of Russia and China. A uni-polar NATO led world will be many times worse that the colonization era where EU shared out different regions of the world for exploitation. Russia needs all the support from the rest of the world to resist this NATO hegemony/bravado!

Apr 13, 2014 12:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

I guess Russia is about to become (once again) just a little bigger.

Putin will lose all credibility with his own people if he doesn’t protect the ethnic Russian majority in East Ukraine from the Western puppets in Kiev.

Apr 13, 2014 12:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gjdm wrote:

@oxen, it was facilitated by 100s of thousands of ukrainian citizens in popular revolt. It was facilitated by the former russian lapdog, who was corruptly scraping billions from the budget and driving the ukranian economy into the ground. Did nato jsut annex part of sovereign Ukraine?

Don’t let me get in the way of your russian propaganda though :)

Apr 13, 2014 12:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

Interacting directly to the west through UN, Putin is equivalent of saying: Look after your dog. The UN meeting will be fruitless, yet it serves a notice “I told you so.”

In the upcoming weeks the ball will be on the west’s court. Putin can promise watching from the side. The false hope of Russian intervention will ignite a civil war. Then NATO has to get hands dirty by sending peacekeepers…

If Putin keeps heating up the hot potato, the west will be kept busy feeding the new born puppet. Few believed he’s not interested taking more parts of Ukraine. But what if it’s true?

Apr 13, 2014 12:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

The American leaders did this, and they should be held responsible. All the rest of this Western talk is just smoke and lies to cover up their incredible hubris and stupidity. And Reuters is complicit.

Apr 13, 2014 12:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Davage wrote:

@oxen (and friends),

“NATO=USA/EU should stop meddling and causing chaos is various regions.”

That’s right oxen, all those Western-supported Hitler youth, taking over buildings in Eastern Ukraine and raising Russian flags, so destabilizing!!!

Really?

Let me ask you a question, please be honest: Are you being paid to try and tow that line? Or are you just dumb enough to repeat it?

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@itsmysayokay,

“NATO will kick thier butts.”

Nah, if NATO says it isn’t going to step it, it isn’t going to step in. Really, no major power in the world right now wants to face another. If one country puts troops in Eastern/Southern Ukraine first, no other will attempt a force out. The consequences are too high.

With Russian troops RIGHT on Ukraine’s boarder, there really isn’t much chance of getting Western troops in first, even if Western countries wanted to; and they don’t have either the desire or political will at the moment.

Right now, the ball is in Putin’s hands. It *looks like* he’s going to invade. In doing so, it’ll be the West’s turn for action. Sure there will be sanctions, but I think we’ve all seen now its independent investors who’ll punish Russia the most.

If Russia goes down the dark North Korean style path, no one is going to want to risk their money. The bosses in the crime state will either have to tighten their belts a little (fewer mansions with golden shower heads and private zoos/golf courses), or try and scrape more out of the already impoverished Russian peoples.

Apr 14, 2014 1:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

Even without Russian intervention (a huge if), the armed forces of the Western puppets in Kiev will be ground to a pulp in the ethnic Russian towns and cities of East Ukraine.

The Russians are arguably the best resistance fighters in all of history. They took down the Germans in WWII. Something no other nation in Europe would, even remotely, have been able to do.

Apr 14, 2014 1:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

Ukraine Guerrillas will kill the Russian invaders.
War is upon the slavs. rasPutin is at war with fellow slavs and the rest of the world. rasPutin will lose.

Apr 14, 2014 1:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Alekhin wrote:

Ukraines puppet government will destroy their country with their own hands. Fighting with their own people – the fastest way.

Ukrainian police and “Specnaz” refused to attack eastern protesters. Kerry and Turchinov cant do anything.

Apr 14, 2014 1:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gjdm wrote:

@jrpardinas, and here I was thinking Great Britain resisted Germany air, naval and ground power for the entirety of the war…

Apr 14, 2014 1:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MariaPie wrote:

I’m pretty sure Ukraine learned USSR military techniques while they were still a part of its military.

Apr 14, 2014 2:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jbsds wrote:

The insanity of this mess in the Ukraine is the baby of Putin. Since, he has made these moves to de-stabilize this area, I only hope he has a method to bring down the antagonism. I doubt NATO will stand by and let him walk into the Ukraine, without any kind token vote or invite to invade the country. How heavy the war becomes will depend again on Putin. It is his offspring. I only hope he realizes the severity of his actions. Time is running out. I fear for the Ukrainian people. Those too young to remember WWII, will find out what real war is. Piling up tires will look almost child like, when the tanks and planes move in.

Apr 14, 2014 5:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Go in there and carry out your threats to dislodge the terrorists that are holed up. NATO is with you so not to worry. Don’t let Russia be a threat to you Kiev, this must be carried out as promised! Land grabs will happen if you do not carry out your promise. Putin is a madman like his bed mate Assad in Syria.

Apr 14, 2014 5:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Go in there and carry out your threats to dislodge the terrorists that are holed up. NATO is with you so not to worry. Don’t let Russia be a threat to you Kiev, this must be carried out as promised! Land grabs will happen if you do not carry out your promise. Putin is a madman like his bed mate Assad in Syria.

Apr 14, 2014 5:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AH-64A wrote:

“A criminal order” What country in the world would let armed men take goverment buildings by force and not eventually act? Would Moscow allow armed men to take over Police Headquarters in Moscow and not respond? How can Ukraine not act and evict the “pro Russian” folks from the goverment buildings? Russia really expects Ukraine to not act. Wow!

Apr 14, 2014 6:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

@whatsgoingon Very astute observation. Putin does not really have to do anything now but get some popcorn and watch. If the ‘government’ of Kiev attacks the protesters with force and starts killing ‘their’ own people they will lose all public support and MORE areas will seek protection from Russia. If the ‘government’ in Kiev does nothing, the separatists still win. Even if Brennan (CIA director) is there calling the shots it won’t matter.
Why isn’t anyone calling on BP(British Petroleum) to be ‘sanctioned’ as they own 19.5% of Rosneft, the Russian oil company that will now get to explore the Crimean oil/gas deposits instead of the Chevron/Exxon-mobil/Shell triumvirate of ‘western’ oil companies.

Apr 14, 2014 6:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jbsds wrote:

I wonder what the next chapter will be if the Ukrainian military finds that these rebels are Russian? I hope the rebels will take their masks off and show the world what is really going on. They were to be granted amnesty if they were Ukrainian. If Russia tries to stop the Ukrainian military, we will know this was a Putin planned overthrow. And deeper war will develop.

Apr 14, 2014 6:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse

I am sure that the USA is ready for whatever on this one, right? I mean, we supported the right wing as they deposed a democratically elected President in Ukraine, so I have to assume we prepared for this…Really, how irresponsible would it have been for us otherwise :)

Apr 14, 2014 6:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeniorMoment wrote:

Even if it gets up Russian ire, Ukraine has no choice but to use whatever military force is necessary. The alternative is gradual disassembly of Ukraine by immigrants from Russia and elsewhere to the detriment of the original Ukrainian people.

What might work best for all parties is to facilitate unhappy
Russians in Eastern Ukraine trading places with unhappy Tartars and Ukrainian’s in Crimea. Russia has no historical claim to any of Ukraine other than Crimea where it has an historic claim.

Apr 14, 2014 7:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeniorMoment wrote:

Even if it gets up Russian ire, Ukraine has no choice but to use whatever military force is necessary. The alternative is gradual disassembly of Ukraine by immigrants from Russia and elsewhere to the detriment of the original Ukrainian people.

What might work best for all parties is to facilitate unhappy
Russians in Eastern Ukraine trading places with unhappy Tartars and Ukrainian’s in Crimea. Russia has no historical claim to any of Ukraine other than Crimea where it has an historic claim.

Apr 14, 2014 7:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ajsfca wrote:

This has been so typical of provocateurs like Barack Obama, stirs trouble, agitates, starts a fight amongst others, then blames others for the turmoil he encouraged and created. How do you spell S C O U N D R E L ?

Apr 14, 2014 7:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
GeoffWard wrote:

‘… armed men in matching camouflage fatigues, with black balaclavas, one of whom was holding a Russian flag. They said they were Cossacks but did not say where from. One told Reuters: “The borders between Ukraine, Russia and Belarus are artificial and we are here to take them away.” ‘

Cossacks are not naturally on the side of Russia [See 'Repatriation of Cossacks after World War II'(Wiki)]. The Stalin AND Kruschev years saw the Cossacks decimated – execution squads, genocides and ‘gulagification’ of cossacks from across the region – all done by the *Russians*.

No, REAL cossacks do not facilitate the Russification of The Ukraine.

Apr 14, 2014 9:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

@DwayneItIs wrote:

Yup, they don’t even care about the irony of it all. Pro-democracy Ukrainians was the general label used a couple months ago for demonstrators who did the exact same thing as these guys. Any government action was looked as an attack on citizens, despite the violent nature of the clashes.

When the shoe is on the other foot? They’re all terrorists and agents of Russia.

Apr 14, 2014 10:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

“AH-64A wrote: “A criminal order” What country in the world would let armed men take goverment buildings by force and not eventually act? Would Moscow allow armed men to take over Police Headquarters in Moscow and not respond? How can Ukraine not act and evict the “pro Russian” folks from the goverment buildings? Russia really expects Ukraine to not act. Wow!”

The same country that just saw a government elected in a general election overthrown by EU backed protestors and business elements. Apparently someone did vote for the prior government and you’re shocked they’re not in sync with the outcome of the recent coup?

Apr 14, 2014 10:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

“AH-64A wrote: “A criminal order” What country in the world would let armed men take goverment buildings by force and not eventually act? Would Moscow allow armed men to take over Police Headquarters in Moscow and not respond? How can Ukraine not act and evict the “pro Russian” folks from the goverment buildings? Russia really expects Ukraine to not act. Wow!”

The same country that just saw a government elected in a general election overthrown by EU backed protestors and business elements. Apparently someone did vote for the prior government and you’re shocked they’re not in sync with the outcome of the recent coup?

Apr 14, 2014 10:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

“AH-64A wrote: “A criminal order” What country in the world would let armed men take goverment buildings by force and not eventually act? Would Moscow allow armed men to take over Police Headquarters in Moscow and not respond? How can Ukraine not act and evict the “pro Russian” folks from the goverment buildings? Russia really expects Ukraine to not act. Wow!”

The same country that just saw a government elected in a general election overthrown by EU backed protestors and business elements. Apparently someone did vote for the prior government and you’re shocked they’re not in sync with the outcome of the recent coup?

Apr 14, 2014 10:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

Only a few months ago “protesters” risked their lives to overthrow the elected government. Where are these people now? I bet the media is eager to hear from them.

Apr 14, 2014 10:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SupermanCID wrote:

Country,Law and Order is an old fashion to leave. Let UN and US study the people’s matter emotion . Ukraine has a vast community of Pro Russian, they are Ukrainians . US, NATO better fold their cannons U or V.

Apr 14, 2014 10:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ThomJEFFERSON wrote:

help me out here…

if those Pro-Russians like Russia so much… Why not move back to Russia and give up their freedom and leave the Ukraine a free sovereign nation… It’s like the liberals here pushing how they want us to live… they should also go to Russia if they like the way the Russians live so much…

The only hope we have getting away from the liberals here is having the states more sovereign to allow us to move to the more free states and get out of the ones taken over by liberals. Liberals aren’t as liberal as you may think. They are closer to fascism… think about it… open the jail cells let the crime increase. take your protection away let the crime increase… don’t stop the drug flow in America, let this crime continue and increase… We the liberals know what is best for you… we will tell you what to eat and when to eat. what color is acceptable to paint your house. what car you should drive… we the liberals will make all your decisions and setup guidelines for you to live by… because we the liberals know you can’t do that on your own…

Please stop voting for this! If a conservative means freedom from all of this. Then tell me… what is wrong with conservatism or freedom!

Apr 14, 2014 11:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Chocolates trump freedom.

Apr 14, 2014 11:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bob9999 wrote:

I’d feel a lot better about helping the Ukrainians if their leaders did not appear to be so far out of their depth. A government can’t make Facebook postings about military operations, and a government can’t make ultimatums and then fail to follow through. I have no doubt that the Russians could be beaten if the Ukrainian government makes the right moves, but the Ukrainian government is not making the right moves. What they have to do is to hire outside military consultants to take care of the planning for them.

The reality is that both Russia and Western Europe would be better off if Russia fails to achieve its apparent objective in Ukraine, because that will make it unnecessary to direct sanctions at Russia, which will be painful for both Russia and Western Europe. The only other way to avoid a decade of painful sanctions would be for Russia to stand down, but that appears no more probable now than it did a month ago. (Indeed, it seems less probable.)

Apr 14, 2014 11:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Inevitable4 wrote:

Yanukovich stated that Ukraine is on the brink of civil war.
What has he said about the December election he stated earlier this year?

Apr 14, 2014 11:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Inevitable4 wrote:

Yanukovich stated that Ukraine is on the brink of civil war.
What has he said about the December election he stated earlier this year?

Apr 14, 2014 11:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Inevitable4 wrote:

Yanukovich stated that Ukraine is on the brink of civil war.
What has he said about the December election he stated earlier this year?

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SR37212 wrote:

Thom your confusing. In one breath your saying go to Russia and lose your freedom and in the next breath are saying the liberal government in the US/EU are taking away your freedoms. Which is it??

Seems to me your saying no matter where you go your freedoms are being taken from you. That being the case what exactly is the difference between Russia and the US/EU?

Apr 14, 2014 11:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

A counter-coup against the US/EU coup installed government would be a fitting end to this chaos.

In Ukraine it is taking longer than the unsuccessful 2002 US-sponsored 2-day coup carried against Chavez in Venezuela, but it is the only way to recover the Ukraine democracy which was stolen by the West. The above article says that coup President Turch (and PM Yats) have called off the attack by Interior Ministry police on Eastern Ukraine protesters, because they can’t trust the loyalty of the police. They already fired the 4-6,000 elite Berkut riot police, immediately after the putch. Now Yats wants to use the Ukrainian army against the protesters.

All that is needed for a counter-coup is for the Army to turn against Yats and Turch. Apparently most of the police forces in Ukraine are already against him.

Of course, the US/NATO will claim that the Russians are behind it, implying that Ukrainians can’t do anything for themselves. It is clear though that the pro-Russian protesters are Ukrainian. I’m hoping for Ukrainians to clean their own house. That means getting rid of the US/NATO installed putch government.

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rltmd wrote:

Eastern Ukraine would not have a chance in a nationwide referendum since Crimea is now part of Russia which removed a large block of ‘Russian decedents’. So the offer has no real meaning and just smoke.

Apr 14, 2014 12:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jbsds wrote:

Every time President Turchinov threatens to put an end to the rebels occupation of government and police buildings and doesn’t follow through it only emboldens the rebels and gives Putin one more up on the Ukraine’s. Either don’t threaten or follow through. The situation just expands every time a hollow ultimatum is voiced. It is time for the Ukrainians to either stand up to the thugs or they will be living under the USSR’s (oops) Russia’s thumb again.

Apr 14, 2014 12:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

@jbsds

Turch might not be able to get any Ukrainian forces to attack their own people.

Hard as it is to imagine for brainwashed Westerners, East Ukrainians demonstrably want to keep their Russian language and heritage.

Apr 14, 2014 1:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

What would happen in occupied Japan if the Japanese citizens there started to rise up and demand reunification with Japan and separation from Russia?

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BillyHewitt wrote:

Betrayal of The American Middle Class Worker
The Bridges to Health Free Clinic is 1 of 1,200 Free Clinics that are part of NAFC (National Association of Free Clinics) located in every state providing FREE medical and Dental care to the 48.6 million uninsured people that Democrats and Obamacare (Insurance Scam) falsely claimed to cover or lied about when they passed the Unaffordable Care Act.
The 1,200 NAFC (National Association of Free Clinics) has cared for the 48.6 million poverty stricken people that were fired by auto companies like Ford, GM, Chrysler that jumped on the Globalization bandwagon and dumped union employees and headed to communist China and communist Vietnam for cheap non union labor. Globalization has made a rich corrupt Congress and turned America into a bankrupt debtor nation.
The obscene part of this betrayal was the move of auto corporations to communist countries was paid for by Bush I, Clinton I, Bush II, and Obama resulting in 28 years of corporate and government betrayal. Every corporate company that moved out of America was profitable in America but these creeps were greedy capitalists.
This can be corrected by scrapping the health insurance companies and Obamacare (Insurance Scam). Then simply give NAFC (National Association of Free Clinics) like Bridges To Health $250 Billion and let them offer Affordable Healthcare. The greedy lying Democrats that voted Obamacare (Insurance Scam) into law want to spend over $2 TRILLION to advance homosexual same sex families and their abortion agenda. Let’s vote these politicians out of office.

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carlmartel wrote:

A leader of the unelected mob in Kiev, Oleksander Turchinov, said that the offensive would proceed, but he fired “the state security chief in charge of the operation.” Ukraine’s army has not appeared, so it may view its job as protecting Ukraine against “foreign invasions.” In any case, more eastern Ukrainian cities appear to be falling to unelected groups who oppose the unelected groups in Kiev. As more Ukrainians learn about EU austerity that President Putin would have allowed them to avoid, there will be more groups taking control of more cities, and they may take control of Kiev.

Putin offered $15 billion, lower gas prices, no austerity, and a new rail link to China that would have allowed Ukrainian repayment by selling Ukraine’s grain to China. China usually adds infrastructure projects because it trades more with rich countries than with poor lands, so it develops its trading partners for more future trade. Openning a new market is a better way to achieve solvency than to gain loans and punish the poor with 50% gas price hikes and 40% electricity price hikes that don’t add new markets or infrastructure projects.

Apr 14, 2014 2:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Not our problem. I don’t remember Russia or Ukraine intervening in the U.S. Civil War. Let them work this out. Move on.

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saharadweller wrote:

Ukraine should treat these armed separatists the way Putin dealt with armed Chechen separatists, bomb them into oblivion !!!

Wait … the Chechens were Muslims so they deserved this treatment. The West needs a kinder and gentler approach for Ukraine.

Apr 14, 2014 3:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

@carlmartel:
Regarding Turch’s failure to be able to recruit local Ukrainians to attack the pro-Russian Ukrainians:
“Suppose they gave a war and nobody came?”

That’s what I hope for: A real setback for American hegemony. The American people need to save their country and ideals by first realizing the extent to which both have been co-opted by the neocons and corporations. In that sense, the Ukrainian people could save themselves, and help save us too.

Apr 14, 2014 3:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

> Obama would speak to Putin
WHY is anyone talking to rasPutin? He’s a liar, his troops are in Ukraine, his operatives are in Ukraine, everything is organized and scripted from Moscow, he’s lying about everything, WHY is anybody talking to RasPutin?
Hand the 40 thousand new Ukrainian National guard the best weapons we can offer them, ARM THEM TO THE TEETH, and let the Ukrainian partisans take care of their own country. Glory to the Heros.

Apr 14, 2014 3:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Danram wrote:

Barack Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like Teddy Roosevelt.

What a spineless, ineffectual schmuck.

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boreal wrote:

If Kiev would dare to send in the army, it is a possibility that by the time Ukrainian armed forces reached the east to quell the rebels, they would join their pro-Russian eastern brothers and turn their guns back on Kiev’s democratic EU dogs. Unless they would be embedded in a couple of battalions of shady Backwater kind private hire a gun units to keep the order and save the face of the illegal Kiev puppet government.

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sabrefencer wrote:

Putinism meddles, engineers, moves these people, like little pawns, on a chessboard…the west has endless chatter, does almost nothing, appears before TV cameras…if I were a Ukrainian, id be pretty worried right now…

Apr 14, 2014 4:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LoveJoyOne wrote:

This whole think stinks of Poland in 1939.

Putin, like Hitler, will have his way.

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LoveJoyOne wrote:

The obvious, quick solution would be to suspend all trade with Russia immediately. But the EU won’t risk their gas supplies. And the US doesn’t want to export its gas to Europe.

So basically, the US and the EU are throwing Ukraine to the dogs.

Apr 14, 2014 4:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LoveJoyOne wrote:

ThomJEFFERSON,

It’s about land and control. None of the powers that be care about “people”.

Apr 14, 2014 4:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

@xcanada2

Where do you live? What’s your education level?

Just wondering because your comments are based on so much Putin-propaganda-biased rhetoric and full of expressed hate of everything labeled “West” . . . . .

Apr 14, 2014 4:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LoveJoyOne wrote:

All you folks who think the west is going to stand up to Putin had better wake up.

They’ve already basically oked the invasion, by simply imposing hand-slap measure up to now. The next step will be:

“we won’t invite you to our birthday party if you invade. And we might be sort of upset with you or some of your friends. You might not even be able to go the the Cannes film festival, or something.”

They’re selling Ukraine down the drain.

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LoveJoyOne wrote:

PaulBradley,

Don’t worry about xcanada2 or 90% of the posters here. They’re mostly Putin lap dogs, paid to troll the US news sites to spread their propaganda. You can usually tell by their strange expressions – things Americans or Canadians would never say, like “In that sense, the Ukrainian people could save themselves, and help save us too.”

Total BS.

Apr 14, 2014 4:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LoveJoyOne wrote:

A little history from Wikipedia:

“The Yalta Conference, sometimes called the Crimea Conference and codenamed the Argonaut Conference, held February 4–11, 1945, was the World War II meeting of the heads of government of the United States, the United Kingdom and the Soviet Union”

Have we come full circle? The EU replaces the United Kingdom and Russia the Soviet Union, but they’re going to chop up Eastern Europe together once again.

Apr 14, 2014 4:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cwb5555 wrote:

Looks like Russia has decided to invade Ukraine before the April 17 talks between US, Russia, Eu, and Ukraine even start. Pretty smart of Putin to set talks for Thursday and then invade on the Monday before.

Apr 14, 2014 5:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

@LoveJoyOne and PaulBradley:

What I really object to is rah-rah-Americans (and similarly for other nationalities) who automatically think they are good because they are Americans, and automatically think that everything done by the American authorities is good. To my understanding, American leaders are way off the track of what are touted as American democratic and humanistic ideals. I just happen to believe that America can be much better than it is, and hence I criticize it.

One part of my education which seems particularly useful to me is having been privileged to travel extensively throughout the world. This has revealed clearly how much in common we all have, regardless of country or creed.

Actually, partisan supporters of the US take away from it.

Apr 14, 2014 5:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

US Foreign Policy and wars over the last two decades can best be described using Shakespeare’s description of history: ” A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

US hegemony is corrupt and morally corrosive. Maintaining this absolute power becomes an end in itself , to be defended at all costs against everything that is human or rational.

A balance of power is in sight if Russia and China can keep their course. The world needs to be multi-polar.

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Whatsgoingon wrote:

@xcanada2 “One part of my education which seems particularly useful to me is having been privileged to travel extensively throughout the world. This has revealed clearly how much in common we all have, regardless of country or creed.”

You reminded me of the joke “If you call someone who knows two languages “bilingual” and someone who knows three languages “trilingual,” what do you call someone who knows only one language? —- An American.”

When most of US people have only one source of information, they get easily manipulated by the government and its media. When GWB started his now infamous WMD-hunting game in 2003, he enjoyed 87% support. When some supporters were interviewed, however, few could even point out Iraq on the map.
It’s great for you to have well-rounded education. Your voice helps provide a different perspective for people to think. I enjoyed your posts and hope to see more.

Apr 14, 2014 6:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VSNFR60 wrote:

Are the Crimea people better off now? That does not seem to be addressed in the media. Is the Crimea people’s needs being met by the Russia Federation? Are they prospering now that they have been annexed by Russia? Is it worth it for the eastern people of Ukraine to vote to become part of the Russian Federation? Are the separatists separating toward prosperity, or away from it?

Apr 14, 2014 6:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@xcanada2 “I’m hoping for Ukrainians to clean their own house. That means getting rid of the US/NATO installed putch government.”

That will happen, but it’s far from the end. The reason why Ukraine became a puppet show stage is complex, but at the root the “nation” could not stand on its own. It’ll be a painful journey for Ukraine people to figure it out themselves, if they’d like to stay independent. As soon as they put the country up for sale, there will be fight and unrest from unfriendly buyers.

The good news is that so far the puppet remains a puppet. It’s waiting for orders from the owners, who are tangled up for the moment. Russia is no Iraq. Any thoughts about bomb it back to stone age requires some courage, which is collectively lacking across the west.

Time will solve everything. The saying “never make decision when mad” equally applies to everybody. In the US all the rushed decisions, from WOT to ACA, all faced buyers remorse. Hope every party keeps calm as adults.

Apr 14, 2014 7:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

@Whatsgoingon wrote: ” . . . what do you call someone who knows only one language? —- An American.”

You know, the U.S. consists of citizens of multi-nation immigrants going back generations. Therefore, most Americans speak usually two languages. Just “bilingual” Russian/Americans represent over 3 million people as of 2012.

Your joke is NOT well placed, to say it mildly.

Your statement: ” When most of US people have only one source of information, . . . ” is another foolish statement. Considering the fact that the media in the U.S. is privately owned v. Russia’s medias owned by Mr. Putin, the odds of U.S. residents getting some ‘news’ diversity in terms of “sources” is much higher than you are implying. Internet access to multitude of “news” and opinions supported by a vast amount of research of testimonials to support given opinion/news is also open to peruse by the majority of the U.S. citizenry and/or its residents.

And, for the record, I am an American who speaks five languages and traveled/lived in many countries on different continents.

This is not to say that I agree with everything this country’s government promotes or stands for. However, @wcanada2 posts: “FUCK THE U.S.A.” and then posts sentence: “Actually, partisan supporters of the US take away . . . .” is showing himself as totally biased individual who claims travel experiences as part of his “education”.
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I think his international travels, if true, were affected by a total blindness accompanied by deafness – a person who has eyes but can’t see and has ears but can’t hear except for what his ‘boss’ pays him to hear or see.

Apr 14, 2014 7:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

@Whatgoingon:
Thanks very much for you support and encouragement. It definitely helps in keeping me motivated.

@pyanitsa:
Yes, diversity gives resilience, the means for humans to continue forward maintaining the adventure of conscious life.

Apr 14, 2014 8:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

“For a country that is so patriotic, we can be highly intolerant of others’ patriotism,” former Pentagon official Colby said of the United States. “We just don’t see their patriotism as particularly legitimate.”

Apr 14, 2014 8:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@stambo2001 wrote:
Even if Brennan (CIA director) is there calling the shots it won’t matter.

But it does! It shows who is, and have been calling the shots – in all senses possible – in creating and running this mess in Kiev. I do not see how an honest and thinking US citizen can be comfortable about it.

Apr 14, 2014 9:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@PaulBradley points well taken.

I agree US media system is still better than Russia’s, yet its influenced heavily by the same “power group” who runs wall street and main street. Did you notice words like “insurgents” and “terrorists?” are they supposed to come from “independent media?”

In this vast world everyone sees only a tiny piece. From this end everybody is biased, but that’s precisely why I like different perspectives. Some posts are overly emotional and hard to agree with, but I respect each and every poster, who spent time sharing what they know and feel. Every piece helps make a complete picture.

How do you see events unfold in the upcoming weeks?

Apr 14, 2014 9:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

, I am an American who speaks five languages and traveled/lived in many countries on different continents.

…is showing himself as totally biased individual who claims travel experiences as part of his “education” … his international travels, if true, were affected by a total blindness accompanied by deafness – a person who has eyes but can’t see and has ears but can’t hear except for what his ‘boss’ pays him to hear or see.

Oh dear, have you got a mirror? Try looking into it – you might see what you describe so vividly!

Apr 14, 2014 9:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@Whatsgoingon wrote:
@PaulBradley

I agree US media system is still better than Russia’s, yet its influenced heavily by the same “power group” who runs wall street and main street.

Is that your own opinion? If so – what facts is it based upon? Do you read russian? Or perhaps, PaulBradley does? What russian sites/media do you find censored, or less free than “western” media resources, and on what grounds? Please, note, I am not trying to argue against your opinion her. I just want to understand what are the facts that let your opinion to be formed. A valid reply on your part would be that your opinion is based on the “synthesis” of opinions that you’ve learnt from others through “western” media. In that case, I would strongly recommend that you try practicing the art of having NO OPINION.

Apr 14, 2014 9:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tyloe wrote:

In other words Kiev has declared martial law on the people who disagree with them.

Apr 15, 2014 6:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LoveJoyOne wrote:

Tyloe,

“In other words Kiev has declared martial law on the people who disagree with them.”

Uhhhh. Hmmmm.

I think there are some pretty radical stances being taken here.

Just because you disagree with the government in place, does that give you the right to have a violent revolution? Does the government not have the right to attempt to maintain law and order, even if that may require the use of force?

Once again, I doubt they’re being taken by Americans or Western Europeans. My guess is that most are Russian or Ukrainian lapdogs.

Apr 15, 2014 9:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lostinbago wrote:

Maybe that right wing coup that overturned corrupt, but democratically elected government was not so much a popular movement as just a bunch of brown shirt thugs.

Apr 15, 2014 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

@BraveNewWrld

That’s exactly right, i.e. I have NO opinion formed for the obvious disinformation, misinformation . . . etc., coming via “news” on both sides. I have many thoughts – - pro and con. And, that’s why I criticized @xcanada2′s absolutely biased posts, filled with hate of the U.S.A. and the “West” in general. Every ‘legally’ minted coin has two different sides !! I don’t respect opinions based only on a ‘coin’ that was minted illegally with both sides being identical.

For the record, I have absolutely NO CLUE as to WHAT the REAL agendas are and discussed ‘behind the closed doors’ and stamped as ‘secret’ so it can’t be devulged to the average ‘sheep’ such as myself and other billions of people on this Earth.

In consideration of the above, how can YOU, @xcanada and the likes, can publish ‘valid’ opinions as if you guys knew everything . . . 100%???

Apr 15, 2014 4:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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