U.S. sanctions Putin allies as Ukraine violence goes on

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da_oracle wrote:

Why is it that every time there is a photo of either pro-Russian activist’s, or pro-Russian Protesters, the people are all senior citizens? These are likely people who’s families for generations have lived in the same house on the same land and in 1991 did not want to leave Russia for Independence. But, where are all the young people protesting to leave freedom and Independence of Ukraine to go back under Russian tyranny rule? While seniors have a say in society, they are not the future, its the youth. Where are they?

Apr 28, 2014 1:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Verpoly wrote:

We call them monitors, but Russians call them NATO spies. Release of the Swede was not a merciful act of pro-Russian camp but merely becoz they don’t want to take care of a diabetic patient.

These observers clearly evaluated the risk of infiltrating rebel-held territories and volenteered it. They’re blessed to stay alive at such sensitive moment. Remember one Ukrainian MP was just tortured to death for same intrusion.

Hope Obama and Putin won’t play this out to be another human catastrophe. The 2 big powers need first to resolve distrust.

Apr 28, 2014 2:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LeslieLee wrote:

The military observers were not paraded around, I find the use of this strong word ‘parade’ very wrong. From the other reports, they were invited to the press conference to show they are ok and answer reporters questions.

Apr 28, 2014 4:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LeslieLee wrote:

I disagree Verpoly, the activists has shown good faith in releasing the diabetic person which if you know, a diabetic normally does not require any immediate medical attention, he had his medicine on him and has stated he is okay during the press conference.

I think his release is to expose the false allegations by the west that he is critically sick.

Apr 28, 2014 4:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Everything that Putin get he deserves and more….
This crisis can get too far out of hand and could in effect spark WW111. The cowardly rebels sponsered by none other than Putin himself should be stormed by the Ukraine army without a doubt. These terrorist thugs seem to think they can get away with anything but they will pay dearly in the end. As for the wider sanction being put on hold by Obama well lets just say…still not enough backbone. He should be sending in lethal aid to the Ukraine immediately to deal with this crisis. And if the hostages are not let go soon it all falls on Putin because he is behind all this mess to begin with.

Apr 28, 2014 6:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
billdaviau wrote:

Obama imposes sanctions, Russia retaliates with its own sanctions, the world is a poorer place.

Apr 28, 2014 6:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
amerigom wrote:

Obama announces new U.S. sanctions on Russia over Ukraine
OK; “I” have spoken” Now what?

Apr 28, 2014 6:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
tatania wrote:

he again imposes sanctions… Obama flies around the world. recently was in Asia. May be he doesn’t know to get Western borders to Eastern will take 12 hours t fty. Russia is not Cuba and not Iraq. He should return from his fantasies on the ground. If he wants coups be ready to receive the answer

Apr 28, 2014 7:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Calfri wrote:

If Obama waits for the Europeans to go along, Russia will be well into a full scale invasion of Ukraine and maybe other states before they agree to any harsh sanctions at all.

Problem with targeting the head of Gazprom now is he’s probably taken his money and shielded it somehow already, since he’s known for weeks that this could happen. I hope that’s not the case, but it probably is. That is the whole problem with Obama’s approach, as Sen. Corker said yesterday: too little, too late. I hope that turns out not to be true, but I worry that it is. This is just how Democrats do brinksmanship, and it isn’t very effective.

Apr 28, 2014 7:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Fancy433 wrote:

I believe we should hit the Russians hard and fast. Why are they dragging this out? The country of Ukraine is being taken over by another country with great force and intimidation like we haven’t seen since Kuwait was overtaken by Saddam. It would better to stop this as fast as we can because this puts the whole world in jeopardy.

Apr 28, 2014 7:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CtheJ wrote:

So, the U.S. will target economic sanctions at Russian diplomats … who have all their money tied-up in Switzerland. Good luck with that.

Apr 28, 2014 7:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JohnNico wrote:

Are these the same type of sanctions the US Government currently has on US Citizens?

Apr 28, 2014 7:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PKFA wrote:

Obama:
“Vlad, you need to stop that.
You really need to stop that, Vlad.
Vlad, you really, really, really need to stop that.
Seriously, Vlad, stop that or I’m going to tell everybody not to play with you.
Oh, you don’t care, Vlad?
Vlad, you need to stop that.”

Apr 28, 2014 7:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
izrahim wrote:

Here we go again, the US is shooting itself in the foot, maybe to be more to the point, in the head. Good luck with your sanctions.

Apr 28, 2014 9:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
deerecub1977 wrote:

digital camo tells a story

Apr 28, 2014 9:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

another joke from our blunderer in chief. china doesn’t support sanctions, india doesn’t support sanctions. the EU is playing both sides because they are screwed either way. the US better start dialing down the rhetoric before someone really gets hurt and that will of course be the usual suspects the actual citizens.

Apr 28, 2014 9:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
momo51 wrote:

It is not a good idea to poke a bear with a branch. You know what’s going to happen.
The US is deliberately doing this to justify an attack against Russia. This got nothing to do with Ukraine, it is about NATO expansion and isolation of Russia which is one of the very very few countries able to challenge US hegemony over the entire planet. What a shame the US government has become. It has succeed in shutting up his own reasonable people and news medias criticism. It is not even trying to conceal his stick policy anymore because of the web of armies it as spread around the world. It is surely the scariest nation on the planet and judging at some posts here, has the scariest people too.
Watch out China, you are next.

Apr 28, 2014 9:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rgbviews wrote:

“…… to stop President Vladimir Putin from fomenting the rebellion in eastern Ukraine, …”

Isn’t this kind of interference exactly what the US has done, and is doing, in other countries? Guatemala? Nicaragua? Panama? Venezuela? Chile? Cuba?

Apr 28, 2014 9:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
cautious123 wrote:

the only people fomenting rebellion in the Ukraine are the stinking neocons — and we have Victoria Nuland on tale as proof. Obama loses more credibility every day by siding with the same people who brought us the Iraq war. This president is a disaster, and yet there is little hope that liberals will have learned anything from their foolish “lesser of two evils” strategy.

Apr 28, 2014 9:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
cautious123 wrote:

momo51 and rgbviews are basically the only commentators on this thread who understand this situation. The rest of you have drunk the kool-aid. American morons just cheerlead every aggressive act of this government, without getting any background or doing any research as to whether the government is doing what is in our self-interest. American morons seem to be oblivious of the history of American violence and aggression throughout the world–Vietnam, Grenada, Iraq, Yemen, etc. American morons cannot connect the dots and link this aggression to Big Oil and Gas, so American morons simply fall back on their distorted notions of “patriotism” — as if it were patriotic to have Americans killed and maimed, and have our national debt increase, just to give more profits to corporations. American morons–both Republicans and Democrats–will just mouth whatever Washington says because they cannot think for themselves and dig for the truth.

Apr 28, 2014 9:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
up4it52 wrote:

Big2Tex…Republican idiot !!!

Apr 28, 2014 9:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

This is a devious US plot to lock the EU into a cold war and be vassal states of America.

Apr 28, 2014 10:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lysergic wrote:

BIG2TEX LIKES LOUIE GOMERT FOR PRESIDENT

Apr 28, 2014 10:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

If “separatist rebels” are saying that OSCE team are “prisoners of war” and NATO spies”, then they are at war with NATO and NATO immediate involvement in Ukraine will be absolutely justified!

Apr 28, 2014 10:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Prox wrote:

Hard sanctions may prevent a takeover by the Russians but it will not liberated the Ukraine once overrun by Russia. That happened in Crimea and both the U.S. and the Ukraine knew Crimea was a lost cause. The hard sanctions should have been applied today or before. Russia is currently like a disease. You can localize it and prevent it from spreading but you cannot cure it once it infects.

Apr 28, 2014 10:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

Obama needs to grow up..i think he lives in his own narcissi world…much too little, much too late…as usual

Apr 28, 2014 10:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SR37212 wrote:

What the US and EU did during the Arab Spring and late last year in the Ukraine is now being done to them in Eastern Ukraine and they have their knickers in a knot. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Maybe Obama should read the news where Russia, China and India have been in trade talks. With the potential for growth (and population) in those 3 countries and add South East Asia, the EU and US become more marginal every day.

Apr 28, 2014 10:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JRTerrance wrote:

Sanctions that target Vladimir Putin and his wealthy friends and largely leave the Russian people alone will only endear Putin to them. They will cheer him on as the leader who will restore Russia to its previous status as a world power.

Apr 28, 2014 10:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
COindependent wrote:

Those that do not know history are condemned to repeat it. This is Europe’s problem–much the same as when HItler expanded into Austria, the Czechoslovakia and then Poland. The willingness of the Europeans to stand aside, in some respects due to their lack of confidence in the POTUS, will only serve to reinforce Putin’s poor behavior.

Read Paul Johnson’s analysis of the situation in Forbes latest edition.

Apr 28, 2014 11:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

@Fancy433, then why are you sitting here typing when you should be in the recruitment office?

Apr 28, 2014 11:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse

I wonder what will the US gain from this situation, the paragon and global defender of freedom and democracy always has an unspoken reason for any movement like what happened in Iraq, happening now in middle east and other parts of the world to secure the riches of these countries and the US interest, so going against Russia directly like that means the stakes are high and the gain is massive, but what is it?

Apr 28, 2014 11:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

@JRTerrance wrote: Sanctions that target Vladimir Putin and his wealthy friends and largely leave the Russian people alone will only endear Putin to them. They will cheer him on as the leader who will restore Russia to its previous status as a world power.

I doubt they look at it as a restoring Russia to past glory and more of a standing up to constant US overreaching. When we were the ones threatening Ukraine’s existing government with repercussions if they do anything about the armed protestors a couple months ago, all the media kept their mouth shut.

Russia flips the script on them and suddenly its an international crisis with Putin being the new Hitler and Russia looking to expand by taking over Europe.

Give me a break, the American people and much of the world is tired of this crap. We have too many problems here to see our government making wholly political moves for the enrichment of a few (they care about as little for Ukrainians as they do for Libyans and Iraqi’s).

Apr 28, 2014 11:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AH-64A wrote:

Putin has thought this through, knows the sanction playbook by heart. Seems he is looking for a fight. Sending Russian aircraft into Ukraines airspace, trying to poke a response out of Ukraine. More towns are being taken over by a hand full of armed folks, while Putin makes sure Ukraine cant put a stop to it without that Russian army coming across the border. I feel for Ukraine, and the Ukrainian people. I dont see any good outcome for Ukraine in all of this.

Apr 28, 2014 11:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Well said @daniel3125, most people know that the US is not the paragon of freedoms and democracy as claimed, the unspoken reason for Obama’s actions that should be put under the spotlight so people see what is really going on the world.

Apr 28, 2014 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hahahappy wrote:

Russia and China had a meeting, Russia wanted to dump all their US bonds and dollar reserves. The Chinese didn’t like the idea as it would render the $2 trillion or so USD’s they hold worthless. If you do not know this already China is buying Gold, silver, prime real estate and farming land around the world including the US, trying to rid themselves of the burden all that devaluing money will put on their economy. If I know about this meeting I am sure Washington knows. Now go back through history and see what happened when anyone threatened the dollar. 2000 Saddam Husdein threatens to sell Iraq’s oil for Euro’s. 2010 Gaddafi call for the “GOLD” backed Dinar to challenge the dollar. 2011 Dominique Strauss-Kahn calls for a new world currency to challenge the dollar. Do your own research to find out the details but needless to say it did not end well for any of them. Momo51 said watch out China, China is the most prepared country of our time. They know exactly what they are doing, they are pulling the strings. Russia and China are a mighty force especially in their own back yard, if the US want them they will have to go and get them. If the West touch Russia China will dump their reserves, others will follow and the world will rebel against the West for 50 years of oppression. We will have a new world power, if it is a good or bad thing remains to be seen. I only hope it all happens peacefully enough and there is still a world to live in.

Apr 28, 2014 11:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
barenski wrote:

can we still use Russian rockets to send dudes into space

Apr 28, 2014 12:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
barenski wrote:

can we still use Russian rockets to send dudes into space

Apr 28, 2014 12:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
barenski wrote:

can we still use Russian rockets to send dudes into space

Apr 28, 2014 12:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
barenski wrote:

otherwise its just vodka and chocolates in some grocery stores

Apr 28, 2014 12:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RichardJR wrote:

@Big2Tex Is that as opposed to the lying conservatives? Seriously, they are all politicians on both sides, bought and paid for by corporate america.

Apr 28, 2014 12:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

Wow more actors got recruited to the show. I hope we all have popcorn and 3D glasses while posting. They’ll help enhance the experience.

For people new to episode II of “Go Oil Go,” let’s start with a brief recap of the wildly successful episode I, “The hunting game.” It ranked pretty high in IMDB, but somehow the record was lost due to hacking activity. This was what I remembered. Please correct or add if I missed anything.

In 2003 credible intelligence agency indicated that weapons of mass destruction (WMD) were built and deployed in Iraq. These WMDs were ready to annihilate the world in 45 minutes. Thanks to a heroic international effort led by the United States, the WMD-hunting team overcame procedural resistances from international law and swung into action in no time

Director: George W. Bush
Writers: Undisclosed but safe
Stars: Colin Powell, Tony Blair, Osama Bin Laden
Supporting roles: NATO
Box office: The show entertained audiences worldwide. The number is still climbing 10 years after it started. US taxpayers contributed more than one trillion USD alone by 2013
Rating: 4.0. The show successfully pushed oil price from $25 to $100

Now episode II, “Ukraine”

In 20013 credible intelligence agency indicated that Ukraine was ready to join NATO. A $5B project was underway to complete the transition. It was almost finished when a critical issue surfaced – The government was behind on its bills.

Director: Barack Obama
Writers: Vladimir Putin
Stars: John Kerry
Supporting roles: EU. Russian/Ukrainian individuals nominated by the director
Box office: TBD
Rating: Expected 4.0. Based on prior success episode II should raise oil price from $100 to $400

Will episode II live up to its promise?

Apr 28, 2014 12:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
yubamary wrote:

@Big2Tex, you are so right.

Apr 28, 2014 12:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
izrahim wrote:

The Russians are no longer interested in the US and Western European New World Order Agenda as they have seen the shear Evil of it.

Apr 28, 2014 12:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

rasPutin continues his war with the world for the soviet union II abortion. The world will start with the powerplayers in Russia, anyone in rasPutin’s pocket. The ruble is so dead.
Revolution in Moscow this August?

Apr 28, 2014 1:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

So let us turn back the clock 10 years to the years after 9/11, if ANYONE had anything bad to say about how the Bush Admin ran foreign policy, they where labeled a ‘traitor’ or ‘un-american’ by the right, so why does the same thing not apply to the right when Obama is President?

Apr 28, 2014 1:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Maverick0451 wrote:

I agree with Verpoly wholeheartedly, Russia and the U.S. need to resolve that distrust before anything productive is going to happen in this situation. I just hope that those issues are resolved before further smaller incidents exacerbate the predicament even further!!

Apr 28, 2014 1:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ananke wrote:

UScitizentoo: you are soooo wrong :). Russians didn’t like Putin BEFORE this Ukraine fiasco. Now he has 95% support…Most of Ukrainians don’t like the fascists in Kiev either – according to my relatives and friends there.
What our really untalented NeoCons achieved, is to cement the entire world AGAINST US. Why do you think sales of American benchmark companies are falling in Asia recent months?

Apr 28, 2014 2:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
thoma wrote:

The goal must be to go after Putin personally, in addition,
the overall Russian economy must be targeted for further downfall, further than it is now. If Putin had to beg (unlikely I know) to have sanctions removed that would be a victory for the philosophy that “crime does not pay”.

My wish is that this destroys Putin, and whatever it takes , without military action. We know he has nostalgia for Stalin, Empire building and bullying his neighbors. The world is watching, they need to see how a mid 20th century thinking ass can be crushed. China, Syria, Iran, Venezuela need to know that non military action can succeed against bad behavior.

Of course, Putin is not Stalin, or Mussolini, or Hitler or Assad or Hussein but all of these characters started off the same way.

Apr 28, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The US claims that sanctions are “for Moscow’s actions in Ukraine,” but the US lies. Obama is upset because US interference in Ukraine is failing. Western economic policies are failing. The 2013 EU GDP growth rate was 0.3%; the US had 1.8%; Russia had 1.9%; and China had 7.7%. Victoria Nuland’s phone conversation and the US refusal to acknowledge that the Kiev regime is as illegal as the eastern “armed men,” proves that this is a clumsy US conspiracy. Another proof is the repeated denial that Ukraine’s instability, that the US created, is a justifiable reason for Russian military maneuvers owing to the danger of Ukraine’s violence spilling over into Russia. Repeated US lies undermine the US position.

On the other side, Putin has taken advantage of Ukraine’s political and economic debacles. Kiev’s mobs didn’t legally remove President Yanukovich who reqested Russian aid, so Putin legally intervened in Crimea. Putin denied the full scale of intervention, but it greatly reduced casualties to nearly none. He took advantage of the legally elected Crimean parliament’s referendum. He used the illegality of the Kiev regime and foreign observers who confirmed that the vote was fair as excuses for annexation despite Ukraine’s constitution that prohibits such referenda.

On the economic side, Putin’s offer of $15 billion, lower gas prices, no austerity, and a new rail link to China to sell Ukraine’s grain for repayment is better than $20 billion, 50% higher gas, 40% higher electricity, and no rail link to China when EU and US import restrictions will harm Ukraine’s grain sales and keep it in poverty. Further, the May 25 elections appear rigged because they are before the 150% gas bills and 140% electricity bills reach consumers on June 8 and September 8. This appears to be a US and EU plot to keep Ukraine in continual chaos for years for some unknown reason. It may be a prelude to invading Ukraine, or, it could be western delusions about economic theories that the West often inflicts on others.

Apr 28, 2014 2:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@ Ananke
Please stop posting like an American. You are a paid Kremlin troll. Like over 50% of the other posters on this board.
You have no friends in Kiev.

Apr 28, 2014 2:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beofaction wrote:

“Obama said: “The goal is not to go after Mr. Putin personally. The goal is to change his calculus with respect to how the current actions that he’s engaging in Ukraine could have an adverse impact on the Russian economy over the long haul.” Why of course, Mr. President, why would we place sanctions on Putin? After all he’s only the one responsible!!! Obama, you are an embarrassment! Over the “long haul” Putin will have absorbed all the Russian speaking areas he desires…

Apr 28, 2014 2:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

To best understand Mr. Putin, realize that anything he says, the truth is the exact opposite. Based on his illegal actions in Ukraine, he can never be trusted again.

Apr 28, 2014 2:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

Putin, send your paid Russian militiamen who are causing problems in Ukraine, back to Moscow. They are making you and your countrymen look ridiculous.

Apr 28, 2014 2:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

Canceled IPOs, suspended loan negotiations, plummeting share prices—all are part of an estimated $50 billion in private investment that has left Russia since Jan. 1, according to economist Neal Shearing of Capital Economics in London.

At the same time, these companies’ stocks are getting hammered. Shares of Novolipetsk, controlled by one of Russia’s richest men, Vladimir Lisin, are down more than 34 percent this year. VimpelCom, controlled by billionaire Mikhail Fridman, has dropped 32 percent. According to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, Russia’s 19 richest people have lost $18.3 billion since the Crimea incursion began on Feb. 28.
“The business community is freaking out—they’re terrified,” says Ben Aris, the editor and publisher of Business New Europe in Moscow.

REVOLUTION IN MOSCOW THIS AUGUST !!!

Apr 28, 2014 2:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@Ananke “Why do you think sales of American benchmark companies are falling in Asia recent months?”

Because there’s no war. After Obama’s visit things will improve.
Demand on our weapons has been always high. The Chinese have been eager to buy for decades, but we will only sell them after we get its neighbors ready, saving the best for last.

Once WWIII is on US will be back to the old glory days, making money from both sides, testing out nukes, and collecting Einsteins for free.

The whole world against US? You got to be kidding. If not for our wars quadrupling oil prices, where does Russia get money?

Get some popcorn and enjoy the show. The director just invited more players to the show today. Please introduce them to the audience if you know more details.

Apr 28, 2014 2:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wakoppa wrote:

Russians killing Ukrainians. Ukraine must stand united against Russian aggression.

Apr 28, 2014 3:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamesChirico wrote:

There are many Russians arming, coordinating, and fighting in Eastern Ukraine. Spetsnaz that wore the armed forces patch in Georgia are seen with the so called separatists today. Same with KGB agents in Georgia, now in the Ukraine. There is a reason journalists have been kidnapped, they don’t want the truth to come out. Our sanctions are nothing more than a flea bite to Putin, the Eurozone must get involved strongly. It seems they are a bunch of wusses not able to meet Russian force with strong action of their own.

Apr 28, 2014 4:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
2Borknot2B wrote:

rgbviews wrote:
“…… Isn’t this kind of interference exactly what the US has done, and is doing, in other countries? Guatemala? Nicaragua? Panama? Venezuela? Chile? Cuba?” Add Hungary and Turkey and Asia Pacific. L.

momo51 wrote: This is partially about “NATO expansion and isolation of Russia which is one of the very few countries able to challenge US hegemony over the entire planet.” TRUE. “What a shame the US government has become.” YEP!!! “It is surely the scariest nation on the planet and judging at some posts here, has the scariest people too.” That is a true statement and is why we will never be invaded. L.

Apr 28, 2014 4:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
crod526 wrote:

So the Russian thugs are showing they won’t allow any other expression that what they want. A page straight out from the old communist page book.

Apr 28, 2014 4:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Zuhalter wrote:

Ironic that ever since the sanctions began, Russian markets are still gaining value while American markets are losing more.

Apr 28, 2014 4:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
I_Know_Best wrote:

Can’t we just get along brothers and sisters?

Apr 28, 2014 4:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Ummm….are they hoping Putin’s oligarch friends put some Polonium-210 in his tea? Fat chance. He doesn’t even drink tea. Putin’s Russia is still raking it in hand over fist from the sale of artificially high priced energy. It’s s rentier state that depends on high energy prices for prosperity. Notice how addressing the price of oil is not even open for discussion. Also, many multi-nationals aren’t too concerned by all the feigned, inflamed rhetoric. Behind the scenes, it’s pretty much Business As Usual.

Apr 28, 2014 4:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ProUK wrote:

The reason is the same for voting in Russia……the elderly,retired and unemployed are paid for their vote/protest. I have personally witnessed this.The votes are cheap.

Apr 28, 2014 5:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

Not a single monument in Moscow has been erected to honor those 20-30 million Russians killed by Stalin. Not a single plaque even 1 square inch by 1 square inch. For a people who love death of their own kind, there can be no better dictator than rasPutin. Russia is a cursed country that wallows in movies with disastrous endings, the two love interests dead by suicide for example, one drowning in a bath of his own blood. This is the Russian mindset, a cursed filthy lying corrupt country of lazy F**cks who couldn’t build a small car to sell the world if their national sanity depended on it.
Forget about appeasing Russia. Wait until they slit their own throats in the bathtub.

Apr 28, 2014 5:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sadie1228 wrote:

Very sad to hear the mayor of Kharkiv was shot. He is one of the few Ukrainian officials that actually makes sense. Hope he pulls through this ordeal.

Apr 28, 2014 6:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

Russia’s sanctions on the US are beginning with Russian and Chinese oil refineries taking Russian crude to produce refined fuels, lubricants, and other petrochemicals to compete against US products from its refineries. The US has been importing more volumes of crude and exporting more dollar amounts of refined oil products for a favorable balance of trade in oil and oil products. Russia and China have the advantage of starting with Russian crude, some of which Russia pays China to refine, while the US must pay for imported oil that costs over $100 per barrel. Russia and China can ship refined oil products via tanker for less than the US owing to greater US distances costing more fuel, higher crew pay, and longer tanker utilization. Russia and China can make 2 or more trips per US trip for 2 or more times the profits that are higher from the start for the previous reasons. Russia and China can greatly undercut the US in price and drive the US out of this market that would raise US trade deficits by $50 to $100 billion per year.

The second problem is increasing Russian arms and munitions sales to north Africa and the Middle East to bring more instability to oil nations in those areas and drive up the global price of oil to bring more profits to Russia. Moscow will sell Beijing oil at the previous price because Russia and China are military, political, and economic allies. Other countries will pay oil prices that are raised by armed conflicts that increased sales of arms and munitions support. Also, Russia will make profits on its increased arms sales, so it profits when it sells arms, and it profits when oil prices rise.

Russia and China plan to make profits from refined oil, more arms sales, and higher oil prices. This brings them the added benefit of reducing US refined oil sales for an additional $50 to $100 billion US trade loss. Second, they make more money from arms and munitions sales, and Russia gains more oil profits when growing instability in north Africa and the Middle East causes oil’s price to rise. These profitable acts for Russia and China bring the added benefits when US and NATO troops are forced to deal with more crises with higher costs in money and casualties. US and EU mechanized economies and militaries must pay more money for oil, some of which will go to Russia, causing damage to US and EU economies and militaries while enriching Russia. Russia and China will gain three and two ways while the US and NATO will lose three and two ways. The worst part is that the US and NATO chose to play this game in Russia’s back yard without considering the likely Russian and Chinese responses.

Apr 28, 2014 6:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
junkit wrote:

The incident of Iraq’s WMD certainly has some weight in deciding whether to trust US’s intelligence over Ukraine’s current situation.

Now that US is potentially sanctioning BP alongside with Rosneft, the Russians are not going to buy any luxury apartments in NY or in London anytime soon. I think they will buy in Beijing or Shanghai instead. I wonder the Chinese can build a financial system to protect the Russian investments and free flow of the money between the two countries. Or is it already there, through BRICS? As for the luxury apartments in NY that the Russians are not buying, the Chinese are going to be happy to take over. US credit rating are going to downgrade the Russians but with the West so afraid of dragging into WW3, I just realize how strong the Russian military is. It does seem to me that investing in Russia is very safe, especially for the Chinese. (Another way to put it, Russia will and could protect Chinese investment in Russia with its strong army.) So Chinese credit agencies might upgrade Russia.

Finally, I think QE tapering will not affect Russia anymore. It is already done by now. And as the US$ leaving Russia in such a hurry, the Russian Central Bank might have to do its own QE, rather than raising rates. Raising rates does not help the economy but QE does.

Apr 28, 2014 6:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@carlmartel “Russia and China will gain three and two ways while the US and NATO will lose three and two ways.”

How different is it from “The hunting game.” US and NATO threw in lives, US taxpayers poured money, Russia saw 4x revenue increase, and the Chinese got billions worth of “rebuilding contracts.”

Episode “Ukraine” will simply push the success to a new level. As long as US taxpayers continue rewarding traitors nothing will change – If it ain’t broke why fix it?

Apr 28, 2014 6:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
izrahim wrote:

This not is a Cold War, it is however an ACT OF WAR.

Apr 28, 2014 6:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
junkit wrote:

Watch out, Mr Putin is sending Russian supermodels to teach your boys to speak Russian.

Apr 28, 2014 6:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

@OneOfTheSheep

I spent 34 years in the US Army. I have advised the US on potential risks in its policies. You say nothing but abusive lies.

Apr 28, 2014 6:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
onlyif wrote:

A question to all those Americans who seem so intend on stoking a wider conflict in Ukraine.

If the people in Kiev can throw out a legitimate government because they want another one… why can’t the people of Eastern Ukraine/Crimea do the same?

Why the double standards?

If one group gets the right to self-determination then why not another group?

Apr 28, 2014 7:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dsmith2014 wrote:

…because Obama bringing the iron curtain down and starting a new Cold War over a regional dispute that has little to do with the U.S. makes so much sense. It’s just a diversion to get the focus off of the many serious domestic issues our government is failing to correct for us U.S. citizens as they hand out about half of all the dismal new job growth to foreign born workers. Thanks for nothing.

Apr 28, 2014 7:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dsmith2014 wrote:

…because Obama bringing the iron curtain down and starting a new Cold War over a regional dispute that has little to do with the U.S. makes so much sense. It’s just a diversion to get the focus off of the many serious domestic issues our government is failing to correct for us U.S. citizens as they hand out about half of all the dismal new job growth to foreign born workers. Thanks for nothing.

Apr 28, 2014 7:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YesNoMaybeSo wrote:

Strip away the excuses and you’re left with street thugs.

Apr 28, 2014 7:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Did we tell you we figured out how to make good vodka? Good luck with your future living under Vlad if that is what you want? The KGB is well known for their kind hearts. Too much propaganda folks. Poor leaders will hurt all of the real people. The elite are not hurt by this? OK the former President of Ukraine got a permanent trip (With much of his stolen goods) to the Motherland, but he probably did deserve it? Lets see China has 1.6 billion people, and Russia has 150 million. If I were Russia I might consider trying to sell some of my land to China? Then you could afford to really expand into the old satellites! That way when China comes your direction you will have some where to go. Have you checked their air lately?

Apr 28, 2014 7:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Carlmartel you need to catch up on the news. Read about the Bakken field for starters. Good luck with your venture.

Apr 28, 2014 7:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
changeling wrote:

There have been no economically harmful sanctions on Russia yet, only a lot of hot air. The moment we do meaningful damage to Russia’s economy is the same moment the world becomes dangerously close to a nuclear holocaust.

Apr 28, 2014 8:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hahahappy wrote:

Check the “facts” not the news.

Apr 28, 2014 9:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Since this question seems to come up periodically “Why can’t East Ukraine just do what the popular uprising did? Note that the popular uprising was against a criminal who was looting the country and on Putin’s payroll. They were not attempting to re-draw the country’s borders or anything remotely like that. The “new” uprising is instigated by Russian thugs who want to split the country and simply give half the country to Russia.

So first and foremost since it is _always_ ethnic Russians making this push, it instantly allows us to question the motives of these people. Secondly, they are in the minority. They may be a sizable minority in East Ukraine, but they are in fact still a minority viewpoint. If they want to truly want to self-annex (note they don’t want to secede and be EAST Ukraine, they simply want to roll into mother Russia’s teat) then they can allow the country to stabilize then have an HONEST vote to do so. Of course, Putin won’t allow this because he knows the vote will not end in his favor, so he continues to instigate unrest with the sizable (yet still once again minority) Russian population of East Ukraine.

Apr 28, 2014 9:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

At the current rate Bakken field produces about 330M BPY. It’ll last about 20 years with current technology. If crude prices goes to $400, the same production will fetch $100B more each year. Isn’t it sweet?

Russia’s product rate is about 10 times of Bakken, or 3.3B BPY. In 20 years its revenue will increase $20T, or $2T per year.

What a win-win proposition. Keep up the good work…

Apr 28, 2014 10:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
yoramYasur1 wrote:

yoram yasur: This situation is terrible.

Apr 28, 2014 10:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

We must be very careful, here. Russia can be a nation of monsters. The absolute terror that was Stalin was only a few decades ago. A deep study of Russian history will reveal to you that these monsters might just be lurking under the surface ready to pounce.

Apr 28, 2014 10:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
OneOfTheSheep wrote:

@carlmartel,

Your 35 years in the army don’t make you an expert on “risks” of U.S. policies. They just made you a loud-mouthed Sergeant covering your hate for your country with your years of service.

Your “advise” merely reveals you of questionable intelligence AND loyalty to your country. Major Hassan was in the Army too and consider what he did.

Not everyone in the service is honorable or has honorable intentions. And yeah, I served 4 years in the Air Force, honorably.

Apr 28, 2014 10:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DURO wrote:

Smells like one pile of dark manure in a hot California desert. US does good by not getting dragged into European problems. We have no Ukrainian interest at all, that’s Russian influence, and we do our self favors by standing in the tribune. This is another Afghanistan waiting to happen. The Russians and Ukrainians have their issues for centuries. Nothing is new to us.
US may want to secure the next perceived Russian targets and disengage from Ukrainian conflict.

Apr 28, 2014 12:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

The Obama haters are completely missing the point here.

Obama is not trying to hurt Russia. He is too smart for that. That would hurt the US economy too which Obama wants to avoid, and the result would be a Russia full of people blaming the USA for their problems and supporting Putin as their anti-US champion.

Instead, Obama is playing an intelligent game and aiming at Putins support group. Doing this avoids alienating Russia as a whole, makes being close to Putin painful in financial terms, and hence isolates Putin politically. In simple terms, he is squeezing the decision makers, which is both cheaper and more effective than the blunderbuss approach of broad economic sanctions or the stupidity of military intervention.

America should be glad that the White House is occupied by somebody who bases foreign policy on brains instead of on tough-guy posturing.

Apr 28, 2014 12:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

OneOfTheSheep wrote:
“@carlmartel,

Your 35 years in the army don’t make you an expert on “risks” of U.S. policies.”

The layout, use of linking devices, and phraseology in his posts reveal him as someone who learned English as a second language in a formal setting. Most likely IELTS Academic.

Apr 28, 2014 12:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jim_seattle wrote:

OneOfTheSheep… so if someone doesn’t agree with you, they are dishonorable. Thanks for the new definition.

Apr 28, 2014 12:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

OneOfTheSheep wrote:”..I served 4 years in the Air Force, honorably…”

Four years? Was that in the Air Force ROTC? LOL

Sorry, “Four years” does not reach “honorably” as well as 34 years.

Apr 29, 2014 1:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@Carl_Martel – OOTS is an old man who thinks everybody is getting something that really only he deserves.

I can not understand how anyone like Big2Tex should think the US would get militarily involved with Ukraine or why we suffer from Putin’s actions? Unless he really wants the EU to collapse again? There are no Bosnian killing squads and even that intervention was a matter of saving face. It isn’t at all difficult to accept by now that all the major powers, and some of the minor ones, do what they can to irritate situations to their own advantage, even if they don’t get the results they hoped for or advertised. And hack can take a hammer and hammer to a block of marble and most of them will get a pile of rubble for their pains and the waste of material.

Maybe he’s punch drunk?

The trouble with the well healed blow hards – you are strong enough to start trouble even when you aren’t strong enough to finish the trouble you cause, successfully. That’s always left to less than well heeled grunts who do your dirty work and you tend to despise them if their grasp doesn’t meet your reach. You never take the blame yourselves.

Apr 29, 2014 1:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
yuris wrote:

I am from Moscow – we have onother picture – people with “Georgievskaya lenta” were hardly beaten during this event. Anyway, it is neccesary to have 2 point of views – to search for the middle. Otherwise it is very biased!

Apr 29, 2014 2:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
beerpatzer wrote:

This is getting uglier by the minute… The pro-Russian ‘activists’ right now seem simply to me as hooligans rather than a genuine article…

Apr 29, 2014 2:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Snuik wrote:

explorer08 wrote:
We must be very careful, here. Russia can be a nation of monsters. The absolute terror that was Stalin was only a few decades ago. A deep study of Russian history will reveal to you that these monsters might just be lurking under the surface ready to pounce.

Did you know that Stalin Georgian and not Russian?
Russia and the USSR are different countries.

Apr 29, 2014 4:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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