Both sides bury dead as Ukraine slides towards war

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JPHR wrote:

The EU must love the manner the US is now bringing democracy to the Ukraine. The silence is deafening.

It is a serious fallacy for the EU to think that NATO will serve its defense needs. NATO is an instrument of US policy.

May 06, 2014 5:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse

The Battle Cry for the passionate separatists is, “Remember Odessa!”

Seems like horror begets horror. No other species of life on this planet behaves in this manner; still we dare to call ourselves, “Homo sapiens”… man, the wise.

Homo lunaticus would be more apt, IMO.

May 06, 2014 7:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bigturkey wrote:

Putin won’t be happy about this. I doubt he’ll allow this mess on his border to continue much longer.

May 06, 2014 7:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse

My hope is that the would-be armed separatists in the USA take a good look at what secession really looks like today. It ain’t pretty.

The Old Confederacy states are hot beds of Christian fundamentalism, and modern-day states rights enthusiasm. All of the Tea-Party addled “red states” are fixated on the Second Amendment and they share a common loathing of the US federal government itself. And they feel that God is on their side.

The glue that holds the American states together is old and brittle; to break up the USA, all it might take are the actions of a relatively few hot-heads and a few demagogues… we could conceivably become the Former United States of America: FUSA.

Yes, it COULD happen here.

May 06, 2014 7:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Putin will not get away with these land grabs. He will fail miserably and I will be partying when I see the outcome. He is a madman like Assad and both will ultimately pay the price whenever the EU and USA get the backbone to intervene. This cannot be allowed to carry on. There was peace and stability in Ukraine until Putin who lives in the past is trying to rebuild the old Solviet Union. The Russian speakers who are in Ukraine can pack thier bags and move to Russia and viola! Problem resolved!

May 06, 2014 8:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
miamidon wrote:

Come on Reuters, cut the fear mongering.. As inflammatory as this headline is, anyone with a brain can see that what’s actually being reported on is a couple of funeral processions and a church service.

May 06, 2014 8:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hugo_First wrote:

“Since a pro-European government took power after the uprising that toppled pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovich in February, Russian President Vladimir Putin overturned decades of diplomacy by declaring Moscow’s right to intervene to protect Russian speakers in the neighboring former Soviet republic.”

This news service is scrupulous about avoiding any mention of the US role in destabilizing the elected Ukraine government, which Victoria Nuland, asst. secretary of state and she of “f**k the EU” fame, admitting cost Washington $5 billion. Instead, it is Putin who has eschewed “diplomacy” and ruptured the tranquil affairs of the basket case which is “independent Ukraine.”

I would like to see Reuters dispense with the euphemisms and misdirection in its reporting, and just come straight out and admit it serves as a propaganda arm for “western” governments, which is yet another way of saying the banking interests that control the governments of these countries.

It’s ultimate goal is to absorb Ukraine into its grasp, and prevent countries whose currencies it doesn’t control from rising to global power.

May 06, 2014 8:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

the fairest thing would be to delay the elections until the full force of the US/EU imposed austerity measures kick in. of course those currently in power don’t want that since they’d get booted to the curb as citizens see their energy costs go up dramatically and wages freeze.

May 06, 2014 9:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
QuidProQuo wrote:

Speaking of the Ukraniana presidential election, anyone have any idea exactly who the candidates are that will be asking for the peoples’ trust? I haven’t heard or read much about who the potential new “leaders” running will be. I hope for the Ukranian people’s sake that it is someone that doesn’t have some rabid agenda nor under the thumb of the USA. Clearly, whomever thinks they have the ability to be President of Ukraine better really be prepared to see the totality of that country or I don’t see things going in a good direction for Ukraine.

May 06, 2014 9:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
riposte wrote:

Good move for the Ukraine govt, if putinism accepts…im sure the Ukraine, seeing that the west will do very little to help it, is pretty scared about now….

May 06, 2014 10:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
eossipov wrote:

Well, first of all I have to admit with everyone above who is saying “Common Reuters” I mean they are right, either admit you’re working for the 1% (not the gov, because common, 1% runs them) and if you can’t do that, gosh, you should just hang it up, because starting with the Ukraine incident, I lost all respect, for what I considered the LAST RESPECTED NEWS AGENCY. You’ve no idea how much I respected Reuters..until this last incident in the Ukraine.

To the rest of it, I highly doubt President Putin would be putting aside everything that’s happened, if I were him I wouldn’t. Crimea would be mine and the rest could go you know what. He signed a bill yesterday on an internal V/MC business, I think that’s great, here’s a man who actually is looking out for his countrymen. If the sanctions are going to hurt anyone, it’s going to hurt us, because he WILL close it off, and what people I think forget is that Russia is completely self-sustaining if they want to be, they have everything. It’s not Putin that needs the world, it’s parts of the world that need him, need his oil. But the US is too busy trying to export our oil to his customers ( re: Alaska Senators Comments about how we should be exporting MORE oil ) and now boys and girls we know what this really is… It was a modern day attempt at an old trick. Iraq all over again. DON”T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE.

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May 06, 2014 11:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
eossipov wrote:

Well, first of all I have to admit with everyone above who is saying “Common Reuters” I mean they are right, either admit you’re working for the 1% (not the gov, because common, 1% runs them) and if you can’t do that, gosh, you should just hang it up, because starting with the Ukraine incident, I lost all respect, for what I considered the LAST RESPECTED NEWS AGENCY. You’ve no idea how much I respected Reuters..until this last incident in the Ukraine.

To the rest of it, I highly doubt President Putin would be putting aside everything that’s happened, if I were him I wouldn’t. Crimea would be mine and the rest could go you know what. He signed a bill yesterday on an internal V/MC business, I think that’s great, here’s a man who actually is looking out for his countrymen. If the sanctions are going to hurt anyone, it’s going to hurt us, because he WILL close it off, and what people I think forget is that Russia is completely self-sustaining if they want to be, they have everything. It’s not Putin that needs the world, it’s parts of the world that need him, need his oil. But the US is too busy trying to export our oil to his customers ( re: Alaska Senators Comments about how we should be exporting MORE oil ) and now boys and girls we know what this really is… It was a modern day attempt at an old trick. Iraq all over again. DON”T BELIEVE IT FOR A MINUTE.

and while you’re at it, sign this for Net Neutrality unless you want to be served up ads whether you like them or not, just to get some time on the internet. whitehouse.gov petition even bit.ly/ComcastVote

May 06, 2014 11:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Mussolini, Hitler, Ceaușescu, Milošević… you got an idea.

May 06, 2014 11:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

“Ukraine slides to war”
Not necessarily if the West agrees with Mr. Lavrov that the rebels should be also present at the new US/EU/Kiev and Russia meeting in Geneva.

May 06, 2014 12:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ajsfca wrote:

How many premature and presumptive Nobel peace prize recipients have started and continue to stir revolution and civil war around the world can you think of?

May 06, 2014 12:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Warhawk wrote:

There was no US involvement in Ukraine prior to Russia’s invasion of Crimea… Putin keeps repeating this old mantra to stir up popular support and instilling in people the fear that the US is out to get the Russians. The Russians are so unused to the idea of freedom that they simply do not comprehend that nations willingly and under no pressure political or military want to join western economic and military structures. By behaving like a bully Putin only pushes its neighbors away. Russia has had 20 years to build a prosperous and wealthy country, but all that time was squandered, the oligarchs have concentrated their wealth to levels unthinkable to regular citizens, and now they’re looking for external enemies to divert attention from internal social and economic problems. During that same time China has become a superpower, and I think Russians should worry more about China than the US… But then again Russians don’t want to acknowledge China as a competitor. The nationalist sentiment is no different than the one in Ukraine – they’re both as bad, despite all the propaganda coming out of Moscow. Russia is becoming a closed and controlled society, being run by KGB agents. I think what we’re seeing is the re-birth of the evil empire, while it’s citizens embrace it’s re-emergence.

May 06, 2014 12:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
boreal wrote:

@Warhawk
“…Russia is becoming a closed and controlled society,…”

I think regrettably the US is becoming a closed and controlled society and losing its once cherished freedom envied by the world too. Observe the NSA’s depth and breadth of reach, the security cameras poking everywhere, scanners and face recognition/analysers at the airports. If it goes on like this, soon enough thought recognition machines will keep watch over us everywhere.

All this wouldn’t have happened if 9/11 did not happen, and 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if instead of endless peace talks in the ME the Israeli – Palestinian issues would have been justly settled already in the last century.

May 06, 2014 1:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

If Russia wasn’t spending millions of dollars to spread violence in Ukraine, Ukraine would be relatively peaceful today. But instead, Mr. Putin is acting like the “Adolph Hitler” of the 21st century.

May 06, 2014 1:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

Russian filth led by rasPutin is a cancer on the world. Slavs killing slavs for rasPutin, just the way the KGB HAS ALWAYS WANTED IT. Stalin killed 25 million slavs, WAY MORE than hitler. Fellow Americans – we need to send weapons and technology to the Ukrainians to defend themselves from the Russian Army in Ukraine right now. Send letters to your congressmen to ARM THE UKRAINIANS.

May 06, 2014 1:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

The Reverse Midas Touch: Everything Washington touches turns into merde.

May 06, 2014 1:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

“”Holding elections at a time when the army is deployed against part of the population is quite unusual,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference.”

Ohhhhh, quite unusual, but quite normal for Assad and Syria!!! WTF

May 06, 2014 1:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beofaction wrote:

“At roadblocks in the town, some armed fighters have been replaced by civilians, like Alexandra, in her late 20s, who said she leaves her 10-year-old daughter at home each morning, puts a starting pistol in her belt and walks to the barricades. The tactic of putting civilians at the front could make a government offensive more difficult.” I’m sorry, Alexandra, once you grab a pistol – yes, even a starter pistol (how dumb is that?!)- and man a road block you are now a combatant.

May 06, 2014 1:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

“Holding elections at a time when the army is deployed against part of the population is quite unusual,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Which is exactly what his Russian Government did in Ukrainian Territory in Crimea.

“The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.
The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers).[..]No international observers were allowed.[..]council member Svetlana Gannushkina talked about this subject on Kanal 24 (as reproduced on Ukrainian television), declaring that the Crimean vote “discredited Russia more than could be dreamed up by a foreign agent.””

Story posted Today.

May 06, 2014 2:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The conflict is far less destructive than Syria, because few appear to want excessive levels of violence in which THEY could be injured. Also, Russia does not want any extreme destruction of resources along its southwestern border, and it has the power to remind those who confront each other of its capacity for intervention. The main forces for destabilization are demands for austerity from the EU and demands for democracy from the US.

Also, Ukraine’s destabilization and chaos are driven by economics. On May 1, the BBC reported that the EU/IMF loan will be $17 billion and will require 50% consumer gas price hikes, 40% business and utility gas price hikes, tax increases, and freezing minimum wages. All of the increased cost will hit consumers or be passed on to consumers, but their wages will be frozen, so their standards of living will plummet. The EU/IMF will punish Ukraine’s poor people for the crimes of Ukraine’s rich, corrupt, powerful politicians and business leaders. Why are so many people in the US/NATO/EU/IMF camp unable to see that Ukrainians have good reasons to rebel against the Kiev regime? Did these people forget that the last democratically elected president was illegally overthrown? Are they unable to understand that this recent history supports the illegal overthrow of any Ukrainian government elected on May 25?

In addition, the timing of the May 25 election makes it APPEAR that the Kiev regime is rigging the election. The 50% consumer price rises will reach consumers in bills on June 8; the 40% business and utility price rises will reach consumers on September 8; and tax rises will hit at year’s end. The wage freezes start immediately, but workers may not see the problems until their prices start to rise without raises in wages. The full weight of EU punishments won’t be clear until AFTER the May 25 election for a four year government, and that gives the APPEARANCE of a RIGGED election. This offers justification for the overthrow of whatever government is elected on May 25, and the so-called leaders are doing this in a country that has a recent history of overthrowing elected governments.

Any impartial observer could reasonably conclude that the US, NATO, EU, and IMF are engaged in a deliberate plot to destabilize Ukraine. Further, it appears that one purpose of this western plot is to impose sanctions on Russia to harm its economic development. In 2013, EU GDP growth was 0.3%; the US had 1.8%; Russia had 1.9%; and China had 7.7%. EU and US debts exceed their GDPs; Russia has $500 billion in foreign currency reserves; and China has $3.5 trillion in foreign currency reserves. The US and EU are allies who may not like Russia’s economic recovery with its growing military, political, and economic ally, China. That is the only practical reason for this western folly that I can see, but it will damage the US and the EU more than Russia and China. The eastern allies are on interior lines for greater speed and lower costs; they have governments that can react more rapidly to opportunities than western governments; and they don’t have the democratic prejudice that inhibits trade with undemocratic nations.

May 06, 2014 2:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Naturalarts wrote:

“Holding elections at a time when the army is deployed against part of the population is quite unusual,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference.

So is hosting a Referendum lol

May 06, 2014 2:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

From the article:
“Petro Poroshenko, a Ukrainian confectionery baron who is front-runner in the presidential election, said the vote would go ahead despite the unrest: “We hope that we will be able to complete the anti-terrorist operation before the election. And where we cannot do so – we will surround (those places) and not allow them to interfere with the election.”"

That’s what Eastern Ukraine has to choose from, a so-called front runner who refers to them as terrorists?

At this point, to obtain a voice in their governance Eastern and Southern Ukraine have no choice except to separate, unless the US/EU follows the advice of Russian foreign minister Lavrov and has Eastern Ukrainians at a peace conference.

One more point: Ask yourself, why do Russian officials, particularly Lavrov and Putin, always sound so much more sensible and sincere than our bumblers (Nuland, McCain, Kerry, Brennan, Obama)? My answer is because Lavrov/Putin are smart, well-grounded people, actually concerned for the people they lead. Our leaders are bought and paid for by the corporations. The US government is a problem not just for us Americans, but for the world.

May 06, 2014 2:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ciao wrote:

– “Holding elections at a time when the army is deployed against part of the population is quite unusual,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told a news conference. –
Isn’t that exactly what happened in Crimea? So is Russia admitting that the secession vote wasn’t legitimate?

May 06, 2014 2:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

@ajsfca: How many?

May 06, 2014 2:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

That’s what happens when you have drunkard president Yeltsin putting KGB in charge of the whole Russia.
During the Soviet times, KBG was at least subordinate to the Communist Party Politburo… now there are no checks and balances at all. Today’s Russia is a totalitarian regime in disguise and a huge danger to the world because of it’s advanced nuclear weaponry.
The sooner the western world wakes up to this harsh reality the better.

May 06, 2014 2:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DellStator wrote:

Noticed a comment saying EuroZone dosen’t agree with the US that the Ukraine should be free of Russian intervention – because they are silent.

Really, you are saying silence means the Eurozone believes that any of it’s citizens can pick up guns, assault police stations, burn military bases to the ground, threaten (and I’m sure soon assault) border guards to let in a foreign country’s army, to kidnap dozens as hostages – mostly journalists and opposition leaders, to halt essential public services – including elec. and police, letting thugs steal, extort and blackmail at will. You are saying silence means the EuroZone supports such behavior in each of their countries? In ANY country?

Now when else was Europe silent in the face of naked aggression, oh yeah, WWII. Didn’t exactly stand up and shout much during the cold war when the US based a half million men there, on bases often rented from gov’t, paid taxes to gov’t, hired tens of thousands of locals and otherwise pumped billions a year into Euro Zone economies, to keep Europe from having to do whatever Russia wanted.

That the EuroZones silence speaks volumes about their true feelings, they are scared to death, just like they were of Hitler and the Soviet Union. They are so scared, they won’t even voice their beliefs in any way that might make them the targets of similar violence as is being used against the Ukraine. The EuroZone needs to learn that a life lived in fear, isn’t worth living.

May 06, 2014 2:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NorCal-Kevin wrote:

So, if you remove the White House spin, it’s the “Separatists” versus the “Insurgents” as the government of Ukraine is being run by a dissident coup that just happened a few weeks ago. Washington is backing the insurgency, in this country at least, but killing them in others. Syria, go insurgency; Iraq, kill ‘em; Libya, go insurgency; Afghanistan, kill ‘em; Egypt, go insurgency; Bahrain, kill ‘em. Its a long list, you could also just flip a coin, or check on IMF strategies.

May 06, 2014 3:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

Warhawk wrote: “There was no US involvement in Ukraine prior to Russia’s invasion of Crimea…”

Gee, The State Dept is going to have a hard time explaining to the GAO where that $5 Billion for the Ukraine went.

May 06, 2014 3:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SaveRMiddle wrote:

@Hugo_First….Well said.

May 06, 2014 4:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pilgrimson wrote:

NATO has been America’s instrument for hegemony over Europe for 7 decades. Europe has underpaid for its defense all that time. A sort of “quid pro quo.” I heard a reference of “enemy” applied to NATO or Russia, in the news media. I thought Communism was the enemy. So why are there still enemies? Is it just that we need “enemies” to keep NATO and defense spending alive? What do you think: an unrestrained Russia would be rolling tanks into Berlin and Paris?

Does anybody remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? As I recall, we didn’t like that particularly. And yet, the “West” would roll NATO right up to the Russian border.

As for Putin starting WW3: Cyberwarfare has been going on for years by leading countries. Warfare by other means.

May 06, 2014 4:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WiktorProts wrote:

In its unannounced war against Ukraine, Russia relies on covert operations which fall squarely within the definition of “international terrorism” under 18 U.S.C. § 2331.
Specifically, armed operatives of Russia, acting under disguise, attempt to influence the policy of Ukrainian government by intimidation or coercion. They also try to affect the conduct of a government by assassinations and kidnapping, taking by force government buildings, police posts and military bases of Ukraine.
This activity is being conducted on large scale and over prolonged time period, despite condemnation by the USA, G-7, NATO, EU and UN.
Please sign the petition urging the White House to officially designate Russia as “State sponsor of terrorism” – http://wh.gov/lwuL9
Such status of country would outlaw business of American companies with Russia. Even considering of the petition by Senate and President of USA creating great inconvenience Russian authorities.

May 06, 2014 4:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

People should present evidence to support their claims and refrain from unsupported attacks against other writers because it develops more skills, earns more respect, and develops better conclusions for the US. It is the true democratic process to gain the best policies for America.

In that vein, it is unwise to send arms to Ukraine because violent factions are out of control, and it is uncertain who will use them and for what purposes. None of the governments of Ukraine in east or west appear to be in control of their or other situations. By the time arms and munitions shipments could be created and sent, forces could have shifted to make it unwise for anyone to receive them. In this situation, patiently waiting for some stability is better than wasting armaments or causing them to be misused. The recent past US interventions and the budgetary costs of another fiasco should give additional causes for patience.

May 06, 2014 5:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BernardG wrote:

The Ukrainian army should do what the Russians are doing and wear unmarked uniforms so Russia would not have an excuse to cross the border! I fear that the US is hoping to drag Europe into a conflict with Russia then maybe China. After all they do nothing against Assad in Syria but with the backing of Europe now they just might take on Russia! This is one scary thought!

May 06, 2014 5:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPHR wrote:

Carl Bildt exhibitionist again outing himself as a neocon fellow traveler. Small wonder Assange will not let himself be extradited to Sweden.

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Simplerman wrote:

All this violence and land grabbing because a new government wants to trade more with western Europe rather than Russia??

You’d think Ukraine was actually attacking Russia militarily based on their actions. Quite revealing.

This is a slight over-reach/reaction on Putin’s part (sarc).

May 06, 2014 5:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
daniel3125 wrote:

@Warhawk wrote: There was no US involvement in Ukraine prior to Russia’s invasion of Crimea

I guess it was a hologram of John McCain leading anti-government protests in Ukraine last year. For as much as some republicans hate Obama, I don’t think even they would stomach someone from another country coming here to say we have to overthrow the government.

May 06, 2014 5:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Hey Reuters please post the IP addresses of anyone posting comments on your website, including mine. I have nothing to hide. This way we can see all of the Russian IPs that post nonsense with their horrible English skills who try to come across as Americans or English speakers from the EU. They keep saying that America is involved with the Ukraine mess, when it’s obvious we don’t care who runs Ukraine as long as Russia stops invading it. Putin is a devilish figure and not as smart as he may think he is. I promise you we will fix his wagon soon enough.

May 06, 2014 5:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bravo-six wrote:

Interesting how Putin claims it is only Ukraianian rebels, yet the revolt is mainly taking place in the most lucrative industrial area of the country that could provide the most monetary assets and value to mother russia…hmmm

May 06, 2014 6:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mrnukem wrote:

“JPHR wrote: The EU must love the manner the US is now bringing democracy to the Ukraine. The silence is deafening.
It is a serious fallacy for the EU to think that NATO will serve its defense needs. NATO is an instrument of US policy.”

JPHR you do know that Ukraine is not a member state of NATO right? If it was the USA and all the other NATO members would use military force to defend Ukraine per the terms of the NATO treaty.

That being said I am glad the USA is not trying to use military force to stop this, we have fought too many wars, lost too many good men and women in combat, we need to stop being the worlds police force and take care of our own mounting problems here at home.

European nations have the fire power to defend Ukraine, let France, Germany, The U.K and other European nations take care of this if they have the will to get involved, the USA is doing right by not using a military option here.

May 06, 2014 6:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bravo-six wrote:

@new_york_loner

My hope is that the would-be armed separatists in the USA take a good look at what secession really looks like today. It ain’t pretty.

There would be no need to secede with the unification of our great nation, with restructuring of the government to establish reforms that are currently bankrupting our society. Honestly, I feel it distasteful to see how much of our congressional budget is wasted on petty programs that ultimately dont benefit anyone, this wasteful spending is generating huge volumes of debt. Which in turn should be alleviated by raising taxes temporarily and limiting spending in order to regenerate a surplus. Which you would think the federal government would thus promote and offer incentives for every American to work, in order to be able to provide a wider avenue for taxation on more people. Yet the opposite could be said, by providing food, housing and ammenities, they are creating a larger dependency for government, with little to no icentive to be productive when ultimately they will pick up the tab for you regardless. Its so sad to see my country and what its become. I would imagine those with a moral compass who would not allow themselves to be given anything, who take pride in working and earning their way, would eventually get tired of having to cover for those who dont feel like it today. Therefore, from this perspective, if my elected officials in Congress refuse to take my opinions seriously due to their impending personal agenda, and the fact that there are very few legitimate civil servants, I think it is somewhat safe to say it is understandable concerning feelings of secession.

May 06, 2014 6:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Simplerman wrote:

I wonder if Putin knows, oh nevermind…

May 06, 2014 6:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
havryliv wrote:

I urge a total boycott of all Russian goods and services in response to Russia’s continuing aggression against Ukraine.

Putin is sending armed subversives into southeastern Ukraine to foment separatism.

This will lead to a Yugoslav scenario with tragic and unpredictable consequences.

Does Europe need another Milosevich?

May 06, 2014 7:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

“Russia sometimes sounds as if it’s refighting WW2. Fascism all over the place. Enemies everywhere. Ghosts of history mobilized,” tweeted Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt.

Does Mr Bildt refer to more than 15 monuments to the Ukrainian NAzi “hero” Stephane Bandera that popped up in the West Ukraine over the last decade or so? Streets named after him and his Nazi cohorts? Ghosts of history were mobilized indeed. And that has been paid by our, and your, Mr. Bildt money. Not Russian. And now it is mainly Ukrainians who have to find internal courage to accept the blunder of Nazi apologism and reviving Nazi hosts of history. And abandon them.

May 06, 2014 8:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

@ Bravo-6″

Paragraph breaks would help, but I get your drift.

So, it’s the lazy slackers without moral compasses who are bankrupting the USA, you say. And if this trend continues, we would be better off, if we break up the union of American states.

With all due respect, I disagree; in my opinion, it’s the special interests who finance the political campaigns of the professional politicians who are bankrupting this nation.

Chief among these gold-digging special interests are the Defense, Israel & Energy lobbies, (acronym: DIE). Their selfish special interests overlap in the Middle East, like a 3-circle Venne diagram. DIE dictates US foreign policy and strongly influences domestic policy as well.

The social “safety net” is actually a modern-day form of panem et circum, (bread & circus); it insures that those on the bottom of the social hierarchy remain placated and docile.

True, the rich could richer, if they didn’t have to pay taxes, to keep the bread & circus going, but, without the “safety net”, the peasants would revolt and quickly bring the whole system down.

May 06, 2014 8:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YesNoMaybeSo wrote:

I imagine the Russian vote in their newly annexed Crimea won’t come into play, oops.

May 06, 2014 8:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bravo-six wrote:

With all due respect, I disagree; in my opinion, it’s the special interests who finance the political campaigns of the professional politicians who are bankrupting this nation.

In all honestly, there a quite a few issues that are contributing to this as well, and wholeheartedly I agree, if you see my previous statements about personal agendas with elected officials ( which seems to be for sale to the highest contributor), and legitimate civil servants etc. What I was offering was a perspective of the deliberate misrepresenattion of a group a people to legitmatize the feeling of secession from elected officials who have also trapped this country in an endless circle of higher taxes, debts, and spending.

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pyanitsa wrote:

The US would not tolerate this BS on its borders for five weeks much less three months.

May 06, 2014 10:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
onlyif wrote:

just imagine, if the US hand not been paying for “”"democracy promoting NGOs”"”" in Ukraine the world would not be in this situation.

Bravo, bravo America.

Don’t forget to keep taxing the American taxpaying serfs so you can continue to police the world.

May 06, 2014 10:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

The separatists apparently they feel they speak for everyone else in Eastern / Southern Ukraine. As for Fascists, if being against a criminal (Yanukovych) who pillaged the country for his own gain (even privatizing state property for himself) and who led a regime of brutal suppression is being a Fascist, then call me one too.

For a taste of Yanukovych crimes check out: http://yanukovich.info/victor-yanukovych-assets/

May 06, 2014 11:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
onlyif wrote:

@ Warhawk wrote:

“There was no US involvement in Ukraine prior to Russia’s invasion of Crimea…”

“The Russians are so unused to the idea of freedom that they simply do not comprehend that nations willingly and under no pressure political or military want to join western economic and military structures.”

“I think what we’re seeing is the re-birth of the evil empire, while it’s citizens embrace it’s re-emergence.”

in light of your analysis Warhawk, i say your name suits you. But then again, you’re probably still convince that WMD are in ‘IRAK’ somewhere, right? And that every time John McCain suggests war is the best option, you agree 110% right.

Oh and Nuland might disagree that the US had no involvement in Ukraine prior to these troubles to the tune of some $5 billion dollars. But will just ignore that one as it disagrees with the constructed reality that you take for the truth.

American propaganda would give the Communists a run for their money.

Everything the US does is for the good of the world whilst everything Russia does is evil.

yeah, that seems legit.

May 06, 2014 11:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

@pyanitsa wrote:

The US would not tolerate this BS on its borders for five weeks much less three months.

If you could only get half of the commentors here to appreciate the gravity of that fact.

May 06, 2014 11:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Ooh the 5 billion conspiracy…or not…

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

May 06, 2014 12:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

The current Ukrainian activities are simply the result of educated people realizing how they are getting shafted by greedy people. This was not a Russian/Ukrainian conflict to begin with.

Same thing for many of the uprisings in the Middle East.

We have this war on terror – that means nothing other than war against anyone not with us. We need a war on greed – now who can argue or side against that? Only the greedy. They are the root of many evils in the world.

May 07, 2014 1:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
asterix117 wrote:

@Jason_in_the_US

From India. Happy to reveal my national identity.

I believe you would be as disgusted with the brutality in Odessa where over a hundred were burnt alive by the illegitimate government supported by the US. No government has any business shooting at their own citizens. We have observed this trend multiple times of the US categorizing all voices dissenting against own self-interests as terrorists. Assad was being opposed for atrocities against citizens of own country. How is the situation different in case of Yatsenyuk. You have to realize that thousands of people on streets in Eastern Ukraine has legitimate concerns. The US agenda of completely severing Ukraine from Russia means massive unemployment and economic collapse of industries in those parts of the country. These are not terrorists they are fighting back to save their jobs and their future. But their dissent doe not serve American interests so their deaths are justified!

May 07, 2014 1:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
asterix117 wrote:

Expect more responsible reporting from American media outlets. They have completely glossed over the atrocities on anti-Maidan activists in Odessa. Over a hundred were burnt alive and those who survived were sent to prison. Not a single right sector activist has been apprehended so far. Hiding war crimes being committed by the puppet government in Kiev is only going to encourage such killings and massacres. If the only media acts responsibly and disseminates the facts, it would at-least get the US government to consider its hands and instigation for such massacres.

May 07, 2014 3:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

Tanks artillery and rockets are now surrounding Slavyansk, expect the massacre to occur soon.

May 07, 2014 3:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

The truth is irrelevant, the US has decided it wants a war with Russia. The propaganda will only allow a portrait of Russia being the aggressor, even though the opposite is true, God help us all.

May 07, 2014 3:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

“Holding elections at a time when the army is deployed against part of the population is quite unusual,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Which is exactly what his Russian Government did in Ukrainian Territory in Crimea.

“The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.
The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers).[..]No international observers were allowed.[..]council member Svetlana Gannushkina talked about this subject on Kanal 24 (as reproduced on Ukrainian television), declaring that the Crimean vote “discredited Russia more than could be dreamed up by a foreign agent.””

Story posted yesterday.

May 07, 2014 7:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
GeoffWard wrote:

Why do these ‘pro-Russian separatists’ hide their faces (like the IRA do)?

Are they ashamed of what they are doing?
Or are they not Ukrainians at all?

May 07, 2014 8:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

new_york_loner wrote:
“… in my opinion, it’s the special interests who finance the political campaigns of the professional politicians who are bankrupting this nation…”

An excellent simplified analysis of the worst current problems in the US today! Not really related to Ukraine, but still spot on. :) Something similar is happening in Canada too. Although DIE isn’t anywhere near as powerful here – except a bit of E. Makes one wonder where all the wasted money is going? Only explanation I can think of is bumbling incompetence.

Maybe our leaders should concentrate on solving the major problems at home, and supplying help to countries in need on a “when requested” basis, rather than going out of their way to stoke confrontations in places they don’t understand and which don’t concern them. Thank goodness Bush Jr. is gone! We’d all be in a sorry mess now if he was still in charge of the US military.

onlyif wrote:
“just imagine, if the US hand not been paying for “””democracy promoting NGOs”””” in Ukraine the world would not be in this situation.”

asterix117 wrote:
“I believe you would be as disgusted with the brutality in Odessa where over a hundred were burnt alive by the illegitimate government supported by the US.”
I believe you should check facts and look up what actually happened, rather than spouting off obvious misinformation as facts. I’ll be nice and assume ignorance. But many may assume you’re working for Putin and spreading FUD propaganda.

“…those who survived were sent to prison.”
172 people were arrested, 38 were survivors from the fire. Two days later several hundred armed pro-Russian “protesters” attacked the police station where everyone was being held, smashing windows and the front gate, and got their fellow “protesters” released under threat of more violence. The police reportedly released all of them, which was 67 people. That leaves 105 others still in custody, which are presumably pro-Ukraine supporters. Makes sense there were more of them arrested, since the pro-Russians were outnumbered about 3 to 1 during the clashes.

“No government has any business shooting at their own citizens.”
When those citizens smash their way into government buildings and police stations, even sometimes attacking military bases… when they ransack public property and attack anyone standing in their path… when they arm themselves with military assault rifles, grenades, RPGs and anti-aircraft missiles… when they brutalize, kidnap, terrorize, sometimes murder innocent people… then yes, the government has every right to shoot at them. In fact, I believe in a situation like this the government is OBLIGATED to shoot at these terrorists. Yes, they are obviously terrorists. It would be dishonest to name them otherwise. Please tell us, what government would tolerate this kind of behaviour from its citizens? I think the Ukrainian interim government has been very moderate and reasonable in its response to these people so far. Many governments would have reacted much more brutally. Some would have simply wiped them all out, no matter how many innocent civilians get killed too – Assad, for example. But the people in Kiev are obviously trying to minimize civilian casualties.

“We have observed this trend multiple times of the US categorizing all voices dissenting against own self-interests as terrorists.”
Strange… I remember seeing and hearing dissenting opinions all the time in the US – on TV, on the radio, in newspapers, in protest marches. Many were organized by fellow Americans. I don’t recall any of them being labelled as terrorists. If you mean by “dissenting opinions” people who plant bombs, or shoot at people or kidnap them… then yes, those are terrorists.

May 09, 2014 9:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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