Putin marks Victory in Crimea as Ukraine violence flares

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divinargant wrote:

A facade. An eminence front..a put on.

May 08, 2014 9:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
KNoose000 wrote:

This is so pathetic.
If say Minnesota voted to join Canada could they?
NO…stop pretending its ok.
Or maybe if a portion of Mexico wanted to join USA is that ok?
No zombies. Those things will not fly. Russia has no reasoning to think they can.

May 08, 2014 10:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Ukraine rebels ignore Putin call to delay self-rule vote… that Putin told them to ignore. It’s KGB, stupid.

May 08, 2014 10:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
playspeed wrote:

If the people of Minnesota STATE want democratically join Canada and the people of Canada wants to join Minnesota, there’s nothing to stop them .

May 09, 2014 1:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

Declare the Ukraine the Zion of Sharia Law. All Sharia law believers are welcome to setup a homeland. That oughta put in enough freedom fighters to settle down those ruffian Russians. Oh wait – freedom fighters is a politically incorrect word. They are terrorists.

May 09, 2014 1:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lowell_Thinks wrote:

Personally? I would not mess with these guys; I’ve never met a frail Russian.

May 09, 2014 2:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

So when is referendum good and when is bad? Let’s remind ourselves that the West hailed the declaration of independence in the western Ukrainian cities right before Yanukovych was toppled. It seems the only rule is the Washington foreign policy. Kosovo – good referendum. Crimea – bad referendum. Western Ukraine – good referendum. Eastern Ukraine – bad referendum.

May 09, 2014 2:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

This whole crisis will be resolved the only way it can now be resolved — by granting East Ukraine a very significant degree of autonomy.

It is inevitable.

But before that happens the West will urge its puppets in Kiev to try force. Which, of course, will fail.

The ethnic Russians in East Ukraine will obliterate any army sent against them. Precisely as they obliterated the Nazis in WWII.

May 09, 2014 5:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SR37212 wrote:

So what we now have is a good puppy, bad puppy situation. The good puppies in Kiev are following their US/EU masters and the bad puppies in the East are not following their Russian masters.

I am far, far, far from a Putin/Russian fan but I am just tired of the US/EU wantonly roaming the world creating havoc in other countries.

I’m a veteran and it is so sad to go to a VA hospital and see all the brave men and women with no agenda other than serving their country physically and mentally drained while the instigators live the good life afforded by war profiteers.

May 09, 2014 6:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whittier5 wrote:

The teapotty of Ukraine.

May 09, 2014 7:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

People cheered Turchinov and Ytsenjuk with slogans- Hitler kaput, thy were forced to retire.

May 09, 2014 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

I see it like jrpardinas.

By sending in the Army to attack Eastern Ukrainians, Kiev only further alienates Easterners. How can it be otherwise. In the long run, these issues cannot be settled by killing Easterners.

Kiev cannot simply eliminate the separatists. The more its army attacks East Ukraine, the more separatists. If Kiev kills too many Easterners, Putin will be forced to enter East Ukraine, and the world will be on Russia’s side, and against Kiev. There are already many people who see it this way.

The US/EU has already lost this bloodthirsty coup move. Why don’t they call off their dogs?

By the way, the fact that Russia has not yet entered Ukraine, and is clearly seeking to resolve this crisis contributes substantial proof that Russia is not seeking takeover of Ukraine, contrary to the false claims of US/NATO.

(A separate question which always comes to mind: Would the US army simply follow orders and kill us citizens for disagreeing with our government?)

If you want to see footage of heroic citizens of East Ukraine standing down tanks, and getting killed, check http://rt.com/news/157884-shooting-mariupol-eastern-ukraine/

May 09, 2014 11:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

(Reuters) – President Vladimir Putin flew in to Crimea on Friday, marking the Soviet victory in World War Two and proclaiming the success of the peninsula’s seizure from a Ukraine that Russia says has been taken over by fascists.
Russia stole Crimnia in a land grab and that was just a punishment by the Kremlin that will ultimately backfire. As far as the so called “faciasts” in Kiev that is a freeking crock of bolony! Kiev will be there to protect its territory and Putin will get his just dessert. He will pay the price of miscalculation and Kiev will hold the cards after all is said and done. Down with Putin and down with russian speakers!!

May 09, 2014 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

rasPutin will destroy the Russian economy for the Soviet Union II abortion. rasPutin delivers to USA it’s foreign policy objectives.
1) Alienate Russia’s gas customers to force them to find energy alternatives.
2) Prove Russia is Ukraine’s #1 enemy.
3) Prove NATO is the only force capable of keeping Ukraine safe.
4) Cripple the Russian economy, now in recession, Russian stock having lost 40% of it’s value.
5) Declare war on a peaceful Ukrainian nation to prove to the world how dangerous Russia is.
GO GO rasPutin ! GO GO rasPutin !

May 09, 2014 11:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

xcanada2 wrote: …..
The answer to your seperate question is yes the US army will kill their own people in the next chapter when marshal law is declared and will be declared the anarchy hit the homeland.
Also I totally disagree with your statement about US/EU bloodthirsty coup move I say to you that it was all Putin’s doings so all the blame falls on him. He is the one grabbing land and he will attempt other takovers as well but it will ultimately fail when the US/EU steps in!

May 09, 2014 11:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

You have to admit – compared to Syria – the Russian liberators got the job done quicker with a lot less bloodshed that the USA backed failed liberation in Syria. Putin is standing behind his backers – all the way thru. Not a big fan of his – still – lessons to be learned here on effective foreign policy.

May 09, 2014 12:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tyrvidar wrote:

Point of View of an American from Texas – The hypocrisy of the west is absolutely laughable and utterly sad. Had the elected President Viktor Yanukovych used the military in such a manner (against extremely violent protest that seized government buildings not just local police stations…) I can almost guarantee NATO military strikes would have occurred. No lives were lost when these civilian groups rose up in the East. The only conflict that has taking place is created by the west and by the un-elected government sitting in Ukraine. Sad day for my governments backing of this type of behavior and I believe they have lost more credibility internationally for this then their money can buy back.

May 09, 2014 12:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@ Butch_from_PA
> Russian liberators
Officially that would be Russian Invaders, on Ukrainian soil. It’s still Ukrainian soil, as the world has seen it is an invasion, ongoing. Dance as long as you want on the graves of Ukrainian heros, Russians are going to lose this war.

May 09, 2014 12:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Warhawk wrote:

So prior to Putin’s “friendly offer to Ukraine” to join Russian economic spehere of influence, Ukrainians and Russians have lived in peace… I haven’t heard of any separatists, or armed militias. Then regular people rose up in peaceful protests to stand against a decision that would make Ukraine a satellite state of Russia, and Putin sent in his military to annex Crimea… all of a sudden separatists sprung up. Russia’s economy has nothing to offer to anyone other than raw materials and maybe a large number of customers with questionable buying power. Had Russia used the last 20 years to build strong free market economy, I’m sure they would have no trouble attracting other countries to join in their economic union. As it is, who wants to be affiliated with a mediocre, second rate world economy, that is ruled by a bunch of KGB liars, skillful at enriching themselves and offering nothing of substance to their own country, aside for some made up ideals that aren’t even anyting to be proud of.

May 09, 2014 12:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The support in Crimea is not surprising. More Russian warships mean more Russian sailors and marines spending money. It will also have more economic development as a transport hub for more Russian trade with Africa, the Middle East, and India. Russian airbases will have planes that fly, and pilots and airmen will spend money.

The movement of Ukrainian armored vehicles into Mariupol shows that this armored unit is incompetent. They know from photos that they face RPGs, and narrow city streets expose their vulnerable sides to ambushes from building windows and intersecting streets and alleys.
I have commented previously about the incompetence of the Ukrainian army with its lack of irregular dispersals under brush to conceal vehicles. Units lack and don’t make revetments for protection of vulnerable points until movement is needed. An eastern Ukrainian squad with RPGs could destroy an armored platoon (5 vehicles) and escape before Kiev forces could return fire.

May 09, 2014 1:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

You don’t need a whole new country. ‘Pro-Russians’ should move to Russia. It’s 20 km away, and plenty big to hold new people. Win-win for all. Why is Putin keeping these people out?

May 09, 2014 1:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

UScitizentoo – there is no war. Was Hawaii at war with the USA before they were invaded by mainlanders – enough to eventually vote to join the USA? No.

Sad but true – Lenin destroyed 100s of thousand of Ukraninans as they starved in the forced farm camps of Northern Ukraine. Done and buried. There are now more Russians than Ukranians in the Crimea. If the Ukraine had an honest democratic government like Poland – pretty sure they would still be an independent country. It is so corrupt – that Putin is a more desirable option than freedom.

Was a poor independent Hawaii more desirable than joining a foreign power (USA)? Yes – for most Hawaiians. Not so for the majority of the citizen at vote time – most born outside of Hawaii and many former USA citizens.

May 09, 2014 1:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

World history and most Ukrainian people will view with disgust — Mr. Putin’s and Russia’s illegal actions invading sovereign nations.

May 09, 2014 1:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YesNoMaybeSo wrote:

Never throw stones if you live in a glass house.
“Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation,and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.”

May 09, 2014 1:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

Like it or not, the territory IS Russian, had been since at least Catherine the Great, maybe even earlier. It is populated by ethnic Russian majority. It was assigned to Ukraine by the Bolsheviks (as the Communists were known back then) during the formation of USSR with 2 goals in mind:
1. Dilute relatively wealthy and mostly peasant (as they were classed back then – backwards) Ukraine population with poorer mostly Proletarian (as they were classed back then – progressive) Russians of New Russia region to make Ukraine more receptive to the Soviet Communist regime.
2. Cut down Russia proper in favor of other national-territorial units comprising USSR to limit Russian nationalism, back then considered one of the greatest dangers to Communist rule.
Anyway it didn’t seem to matter for the inhabitants because they stayed in the same state, no matter what its name – Russian Empire or USSR.
What seemed to be a good idea in 1922, backfired in 1991, and millions of Russians found themselves outside of Russia and gradually (someplace even overnight) becoming a discriminated minority, not allowed even get education or conduct business in their native language, while still being a majority locally. Compare to USA where, even though English is THE official language, most official documents come with Spanish and sometimes other language translation.
So the frustration and anger of Russians should be at least understood and addressed, and by that I don’t mean suppressed by military force, as the Ukrainian nationalist government is trying, so far without much success.

May 09, 2014 1:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

@ WiktorProts
Russians designated as the filthy terrorists they are.
Brilliant.

May 09, 2014 2:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

What does that mean “IS Russian”? It was settled by decree originally by Catherine the Great. Good for her…doesn’t mean that all the people that live there choose to be under Russian dominance all their lives.

Hey maybe we should go back to the Ottoman Empire borders. I mean seriously, what half-wit tries to use ancient borders to dismantle modern day countries? Oh right, Putin preaching history to his sycophants.

May 09, 2014 2:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AH-64A wrote:

This swing toward the west started when Putins lap dog ran for his life back to Mother Russia. With no lap dog, and Ukraine starting to look west, the fear of not having the Crimean port for the Black Sea fleet was too much for Putin. I understand the problem he faced, no southern port for Russias warships. But, Putin still needs that land bridge to Crimea. He will have it one way or another. This could get real nasty before it gets better.

May 09, 2014 2:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

wh.gov/lwuL9
I signed the petition to force the US government to designate Russia as official sponsor of state terror.

May 09, 2014 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The Russians have reason to celebrate. They tied down two thirds of Hitler’s war machine and his european allies in WWII while the US, Britain, Free French, and other countries on the western and Mediterranean fronts fought one third. They attacked Japan on August 8, Moscow time, three months to the day after Germany’s surrender on May 8 as they promised at Yalta in February, 1945, before the US atomic bombs had been tested or used.

Today, they fight the Chechen terrorists who trained the Tsarnaev brothers to blow up the Boston Marathon in 2013. Russia, China, and four central Asian lands form the SCO, a military, political, and economic alliance that have agreed to watch Afghanistan after the US and NATO leave in 2014. Russia helped the US avoid the deaths of 9,000 US troops and 66,000 wounded in Syria that would have spread to Lebanon and Iraq for twice the US casualties in Iraq. As a US combat veteran, I thank President Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov for saving US lives from an intervention with the same disastrous outcome that Iraq proved to be. Russia helps remove Syria’s chemical weapons, a poor country’s atomic bombs, for destruction, and that helps make the world safer. Russia, China, and the other SCO members are de facto military allies of the US and NATO. Without going too far, Russia makes practical plans and offers that can achieve concrete results without the vague, uncertain, and imprecise visions or, possibly, delusions that some entertain about rights and freedoms that can never be absolute because they would likely harm others.

Unfortunately, there are some US citizens who are “patriotic traitors,” deluding themselves that they can mindlessly chant “USA” as a slogan with no clear idea for doing something that is positive and is possible for the US to do. They make false accusations against anyone who disagrees with them until legal action is the only way to discourage them from engaging in abuse.

May 09, 2014 3:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

@AH-64A

The Russians have Novorossiysk on the northeastern Black Sea for a port and base. They can build another one at Gelendzhik Bay a few miles southeast of Novorossiysk but they will need to add a rail link for bulk cargo. However, now that they have Sevastopol, new bases are moot points.

May 09, 2014 3:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mcanterel wrote:

@UScitizentoo & @WiktorProts, did you sign the one asking to designate the US the biggest threat to world peace since Nazi Germany?

A few wars of aggression/subversion by the US in only the last 60 years :
Iran 53, Vietnam, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Libya, Syria.

The list goes on in Latin America, Africa, Europe and Asia. Few people on earth have escaped the slaughtering barbarism of this nation that calls itself a “beacon of liberty”.

A nation built on enslaving a whole continent, what would anyone expect?

Next time, ask your conscience to petition, not your lowliest instincts…

May 09, 2014 3:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bravo-six wrote:

The pro-Western government in Kiev, labeled “fascist” by Moscow, said Putin’s visit was intended to escalate the crisis.

Hahahaha… this is hilarious because Putin is fascist, does anyone remember what he did to the band pussyriot when they protested his presidency? sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

just in case you were wondering

Fascism- a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

May 09, 2014 4:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@bravo-six

In case you did not know, term “fascist” and “fascism” in Russia means not just any fascism, but a particular, most dangerous and nasty strain of it. Nazism. And so the government in Kiev is indeed neo-Nazi. It came to power on the wave of protests spearheaded by Ukrainian neo-Nazis leading their assaults under the huge portraits of the most famous Ukrainian neo-Nazi Stephane Bandera, and banners of his Nazi Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its modern right-wing followers of all flavors. These guys had obtained control of the Kiev state security apparatus and are establishing a regime as Bandera had prescribed. See his “Directions for building san independent state”. It is a clearly spelled Nazi ideological document. Like “only Ukrainians can occupy positions of power in the Government”, “Assimilation of Jews is ruled out”, “Only Ukrainian-patriotic mass media and organizations are allowed” and so on, and so forth.

Just in case you were wondering,

Nazism, or National Socialism in full (German: Nationalsozialismus), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and state as well as other related far-right groups. Usually characterised as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism … German Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and social Darwinism, asserted the superiority of an Aryan master race, and criticised both capitalism and communism for being associated with Jewish materialism. It aimed to overcome social divisions, with all parts of a racially homogenous society cooperating for national unity …

For the rest – try Google translating pro-revolutionary Ukrainian press such as Ukrainska Pravda, especially comment section by well indoctrinated Ukrainians. I promise lots of fun.

May 09, 2014 5:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@mcanterel

Remind me which one of those nations that the US annexed as US territory.

May 09, 2014 5:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
my2sons wrote:

Putin remains in control. His position is false and made to look him good. He remains in control by having a controlled entity do the work.

May 09, 2014 5:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Canela wrote:

The 21st Century fascists are Russians. They act like Hitler seeking the 21st Century sudetenland.

May 09, 2014 5:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

TheNewWorld wrote: “..Remind me which one of those nations that the US annexed as US territory..”

Japan ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases

May 09, 2014 6:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

US Military Bases in Japan

Kadena Air Base, Okinawa Prefecture
Misawa Air Base, Misawa, Aomori
Yokota Air Base, Tokyo

Naval Air Facility Atsugi
Naval Forces Japan, Okinawa
United States Fleet Activities Yokosuka
United States Fleet Activities Sasebo

Marine Corps Base Camp Smedley D. Butler, Okinawa.
Camp Courtney
Camp Fuji, Shizuoka Prefecture
Camp Foster
Camp Gonsalves (Jungle Warfare Training Center)
Camp Hansen
Camp Kinser
Camp Lester
Camp McTureous
Camp Schwab
Marine Corps Air Station Futenma, Okinawa
Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni, Yamaguchi Prefecture

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pyanitsa wrote:

Kosovo was not annexed. It was subsumed, i.e. re-classified.

US Military Bases

Kosovo

Camp Bondsteel

May 09, 2014 6:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@Canela

Please, stop it. Silly and immature and Putin-Hitler comparisons are no indication of great insight, rather on the contrary.
Nazism is a singular crime, which, in particular, lead to extermination of > 6 million human beings based on their parental/birth history. These dumb comparisons amount to nothing less than Nazi apologism and denying the singular nature of Nazi crimes. In Germany and many civilized countries this is forbidden by law.

By merely comparing Nazism with Russian annexation of Crimea, where there have been two collateral casualties, no fighting, no war, no crimes against humanity and no genocide, you make Nazi crimes, including the Holocaust lesser crimes. But they ARE unique, singular crimes against humanity. Please, try to understand this.

May 09, 2014 6:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DellStator wrote:

So for the first time in Decades Russia’s leader is NOT in Moscow wathcing parade. Putin has proven he’s as poor a thinker as George Bush, maybe worse, but, breaking with a decades long political tradition is pretty much an admission that sending in agents, soldiers, making deals with minor local pols (the ones who voted to join Russia had gotten 4% of the vote previous election) and taking back the Crimea is was his idea and gives lie to his lies yesterday, for militant terrorists to let elections take place and not hold referandum.

May 09, 2014 6:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlfNeuman wrote:

I just watched a video of unarmed civilians in Mariupol being arbitrarily shot May 9th by paramilitary goons running down the street. Sickening. This is truly an evil regime in Kiev. Shame on Barack Obama and the US for supporting them.

May 09, 2014 7:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

The sanctions wont bite until the West targets Gazprom.

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You_No wrote:

PSSST!!! Korsunskaya, Winning:

www.businessinsider.com/did-vladimir-putins-human-rights-council-just-publish-2014-5

22.5% is a mandate?

May 09, 2014 8:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

“Holding elections at a time when the army is deployed against part of the population is quite unusual,” Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

Which is exactly what his Russian Government did in Ukrainian Territory in Crimea.

“The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.
The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers).[..]No international observers were allowed.[..]council member Svetlana Gannushkina talked about this subject on Kanal 24 (as reproduced on Ukrainian television), declaring that the Crimean vote “discredited Russia more than could be dreamed up by a foreign agent.””

Story posted May 6th.

May 09, 2014 9:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
You_No wrote:

@BraveNewWrld

Except that if you follow Hitler’s movements prior to invasion of Poland, they look an awful lot alike. Rearmament, Rhineland, The Vienna Awards, Sudetenland.

All for the “Protection of Our People,” and a greater goal of the ascension of The Nation.

Listen to Putin and cronies talk about Yeltsin and Gorbechev, and the proper place of Russia in Asia…

May 09, 2014 9:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ckubric2 wrote:

It is very important that we keep the facts straight here. The Ukraine is in a economic crisis. Blame it on corruption, mismanagement, what have you. The result is the same. The EEC and the Ukraine govt. were negotiating a bailout package. Russia steps in and offers its bailout package. The “Democratically Elected Government of the Ukraine” leans towards an economic union with Russia and POOF, we have a coup. The “Democratically Elected Government of the Ukraine” is overthrown. A large segment of the Ukrainian east with strong historic and ethnic ties to Russia does not recognize the “New Illegal Government” and demands the right to self determination rather than capitulate to a western backed illegal government. The west embraces this new illegal government and starts to pound us with “The Big Bad Russian” warmongering nonsense. This is a civil matter. Why are we so gung ho to shake our fists at Russia while we ignore so many other global atrocities being committed. Harper has no authority, be it moral or legal, to involve our military in this matter.

By John C

May 09, 2014 9:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

@TheNewWorld The US annexed part of Columbia and called it Panama.

May 09, 2014 9:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
p65494 wrote:

For shame Putin you war monger! Who will
be the next in line?

May 09, 2014 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
p65494 wrote:

For shame Putin you war monger! Who will
be the next in line?

May 09, 2014 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
p65494 wrote:

For shame Putin you war monger! Who will
be the next in line?

May 09, 2014 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
p65494 wrote:

For shame Putin you war monger! Who will
be the next in line?

May 09, 2014 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SandiGeer wrote:

@Sandi Geer at Farmers Insurance ,,,, I think he should stay in his own country!

May 09, 2014 10:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

In its unannounced war against Ukraine, Russia relies on covert operations which fall squarely within the definition of “international terrorism” under 18 U.S.C. § 2331.

Specifically, armed operatives of Russia, acting under disguise, attempt to influence the policy of Ukrainian government by intimidation or coercion. They also try to affect the conduct of a government by assassinations and kidnapping, taking by force government buildings, police posts and the military bases of Ukraine.

This activity is being conducted on a very large scale and over a prolonged time period, despite condemnation by the USA, G-7, NATO, EU and UN.

Please sign the petition at the White House web site to officially designate Russia as “State sponsor of terrorism”: http://wh.gov/lwuL9

This status would outlaw investment by American corporations in stinking Russia.

May 09, 2014 11:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
boreal wrote:

@pyramids
“… I mean seriously, what half-wit tries to use ancient borders to dismantle modern day countries? Oh right, Putin preaching history…”

Does Bibi qualify as a half-wit? He, and many of his ilk in this age still think god himself came down from high heavens just to give Israel that piece of land in biblical times from where during the past couple of decades Palestinians are systematically, illegally displaced, their houses bulldozed and 1.82 million of them locked away in a hermetically sealed open-air concentration camp under blockade, controlled by Israel. The only democracy in the ME (we are told, the democracy thing, often).

By the way, Crimea was already Russian when Manhattan belonged to the Indians. In 1954 Khrushchev, the former General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, himself a Ukrainian gave Crimea as a gift to the Ukrainians. On that day, he probably had a bit more vodka than he was accustomed to (was drunk).

May 09, 2014 11:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TPJ94 wrote:

International law establishes what state’s borders are, it is no longer the norm for states to dominate others through coercion and brute force. Putin’s ambitions to reestablish the Soviet empire threatens not only Ukraine but the entire world, if Russia is allowed to rewrite the rule book then expect a future with an international system where its actions in Crimea become the norm.

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KNoose000 wrote:

Whitehouse.gov petition link to acknowledge the network RUSSIA TODAY as Russian propaganda. Sign it here:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-and-acknowledge-network-rt-russia-today-being-russian-propaganda-and-anti-west-rhetoric/TlQYv9Mz

May 10, 2014 2:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheBearPaw wrote:

Has Reuters become pro-Kremlin? This is alarming and disgusting, supporting a mass-murdering, xenophobic, antisemitic, homophobic immoral criminal Russian Mafia dictatorship. Using such weasel words as “Given by Soviet leaders to Ukraine ONLY in the 1950s…” Or “…MANY RUSSIANS long saw it as rightfully theirs.” Who? Who counted how many said that, was a scientific poll carried out? Abysmal. ” A referendum in Crimea in March, which many boycotted, backed secession by 97 percent.” Giving an impression that it was a legitimate referendum. Where is the sentence stating that Western countries dismissed it as totally falsified? Shame on you, Reuters.

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CanRus wrote:

playspeed wrote:
“If the people of Minnesota STATE want democratically join Canada and the people of Canada wants to join Minnesota, there’s nothing to stop them .”
I can think of two things that would stop them – the US Federal Government and the US Armed Forces. Try it if you don’t believe me. Whether it would be justified or not is debatable and a question of personal opinion, of course. But I’m sure the Feds wouldn’t just let any state leave like that without a fight.

lub wrote:
“”Let’s remind ourselves that the West hailed the declaration of independence in the western Ukrainian cities right before Yanukovych was toppled.”
I’ve seen a few people mention this – but never anything to back it up. Please enlighten me – which Western Ukrainian cities have seceded from Ukraine?

jrpardinas wrote:
“The ethnic Russians in East Ukraine will obliterate any army sent against them. Precisely as they obliterated the Nazis in WWII.”
Yeah, right. They seem to be doing a lot of obliterating right this moment. The only way your wish could come true is if Putin decides to send them a lot of Russian troops as reinforcements – which he has so far (intelligently) refrained from doing. NATO may change their mind about helping to defend Ukraine. And even if they don’t, it would send the Russian economy into a tailspin.

SR37212 wrote:
“…it is so sad to … see all the brave men and women with no agenda other than serving their country physically and mentally drained while the instigators live the good life afforded by war profiteers.”
100% agree with you on this! War enriches the rich and enslaves the poor.

xcanada2 wrote:
“By sending in the Army to attack Eastern Ukrainians, Kiev only further alienates Easterners.”
The Ukrainian government sent the Army (along with the National Guard and police) to get rid of the heavily armed militants who have violently occupied government/police buildings and entire towns, kidnapping and even murdering people. Especially when a large portion of these “rebels” are actually foreign mercenaries. The separatists leaders themselves have even bragged about this – that many of their “friends” from neigbouring countries have come to fight with them. What government would tolerate this? Certainly not Canada! If you’re truly Canadian and old enough, you should remember an incident in October 1970. The army was sent in for much less. And I approve of that decision. It might have degenerated into something like Ukraine if they hadn’t. Kiev certainly didn’t send the Army to attack the entire population. That’s Kremlin/RT propaganda.

“The more its army attacks East Ukraine, the more separatists.”
Yes, it’s quite possible Putin will send them some reinforcements. Putin’s “good friend” Kadyrov has already threatened to be recruiting some.

“If Kiev kills too many Easterners, Putin will be forced to enter East Ukraine, and the world will be on Russia’s side, and against Kiev.”
That’s certainly what Putin hopes – but the authorities in Kiev seem to be smarter than he would like.

“There are already many people who see it this way.”
Like who? Putin and his cronies? Simple Russian citizens brainwashed by propaganda? Assad? Jong-un? Probably Hussein if he were still alive. Quite an impressive fan-club! The only people I see rooting for Putin are extremist right-wingers and nationalists.

“The US/EU has already lost this bloodthirsty coup move.”
There was no coup in Ukraine! Repeating it over and over again will not make it true. Pinochet – that was a coup.

“…the fact that Russia has not yet entered Ukraine, and is clearly seeking to resolve this crisis contributes substantial proof that Russia is not seeking takeover of Ukraine, contrary to the false claims of US/NATO.”
The fact that Putin has not openly invaded Ukraine yet (except for Crimea) is proof that he doesn’t think it would be to his advantage. Notice I said “openly”. I agree with you on NATO though – they’re a military outfit, so they look at everything from a war perspective. Putin will only invade Ukraine if he feels he can’t control it any other way, and believes he can get away with it without huge cost to Russia. Both seem unlikely.

“Would the US army simply follow orders and kill us citizens for disagreeing with our government?”
No. Neither would the Ukrainian army. Not even the Russian army would, I hope. Though with Putin in charge, who knows what horrors the future holds for Russians. It’s happened before – remember Stalin? Depends what you mean by “disagreeing” though. If you mean shooting at civilians/police and setting fire to buildings, they probably would. If you mean walking around with signs shouting slogans, definitely not. Even in Russia, you only get beaten up by police and arrested for that.

“If you want to see footage of heroic citizens of East Ukraine standing down tanks, and getting killed, check http://rt.com/news/157884-shooting-mariupol-eastern-ukraine/”
I looked at most of the video you linked and saw no such thing. About 5 minutes in, there’s a guy standing in front of a tank arguing with soldiers. About 10 minutes in, a guy seems to get shot as a tank drives by. Since a tank drives by about every 20 seconds in the footage, that’s nothing extraordinary in itself. It’s practically a war zone in Mariupol today. Nothing shows the shot came from either the tank or soldiers. There are hundreds of crazed armed thugs running around the city. It could have been anybody. It might have been a criminal gang hit – often drug-related. Police are nearly absent as far as crime-fighting is concerned because they’re tied up trying to control angry mobs and imported thugs. Whoever fired might not even have been aiming at that guy. People get killed all the time in the US by stray bullets during gang wars. The rest is just the same bits being looped over and over again, blood stains on pavement – while the RT commentator says lots of nasty things about the Ukrainian government. You do know RT is a Kremlin-controlled propaganda outlet, don’t you? Think CNN x10.

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CanRus wrote:

Tyrvidar wrote:
“The hypocrisy of the west is absolutely laughable and utterly sad.”
Western hypocrisy is sad. Putin’s is so obvious it’s laughable.

“Had the elected President Viktor Yanukovych used the military in such a manner (against extremely violent protest that seized government buildings not just local police stations…)”
The military would certainly have refused. He had little popular support. Likely why he chose hired snipers. That remains to be proven of course. But it seems the most plausable explanation. We’ll see what the ICC investigation turns up…

“No lives were lost when these civilian groups rose up in the East.”
It’s important to note that in Kiev, takeover of some buildings only occured AFTER massive popular protests which lasted months. In the East, it was the other way around. Hundreds of armed thugs, many of them with obvious military training and weapons, took control of whole cities within a few days. Then some civilians decided to join them. Almost looks like a well-orchestrated stealth invasion, doesn’t it?

“The only conflict that has taking place is created by the west and by the un-elected government sitting in Ukraine.”
You’re showing your obvious propaganda bias now. Should have stopped while you were ahead. Of course, Putin is innocent in all this – he’s only trying to protect his fellow Russians from oppression from the big bad fascists. And I have a bridge I can sell you…

@Warhawk
I’m not too fond of your moniker :) – and I’m often in dissagreement with your posts – but on this one, I 100% agree with you. Putin’s Russia is a sham, and I’m entirely behind the majority of the Ukrainian population for wanting nothing to do with it.

carlmartel wrote:
“The Russians have reason to celebrate. They tied down two thirds of Hitler’s war machine…”
For this, yes. They certainly did and deserve gratitude for it. What I object to though, is twisting that historic acheivement to promote nationalism, fascism and one man’s ambitions – when the man hijacking the acheivement hadn’t even been born when it happened. What is especially ironically cruel is using the celebration of victory over an invader to promote an invasion.

“Today, they fight the Chechen terrorists who trained the Tsarnaev brothers to blow up the Boston Marathon in 2013. Russia,”
On one hand, they fight terrorists, like the US – true. On the other hand, they promote terrorism by inciting it, also like the US. Maybe their wouldn’t be any terrorists from Chechnya if the Russian government hadn’t been so brutally repressive towards Chechens for decades, and instead allowed them to secede peacefully, as they’re now claiming Russians in Eastern Ukraine have a divine right to. But Chechens aren’t Russians, only Russian subjects…

“Russia helped the US avoid the deaths… and wounded in Syria”
True. But I doubt Putin was going out of his way to help the US. He doesn’t mind if it happens, but his agenda comes first.

“for twice the US casualties in Iraq.”
Yeah… that was probably the biggest US/UK government blunder since Vietnam. Hopefully for Americans and the British, it was the last.

“Unfortunately, there are some US citizens who are ‘patriotic traitors,’ deluding themselves that they can mindlessly chant “USA” as a slogan with no clear idea for doing something that is positive…”
There are people like that everywhere. There are millions in Russia too, growing exponentially recently due to Putin’s propaganda machine. There are even many in traditionally peace-loving countries like Canada. Msybe we’ll grow up some day, as a species…

BraveNewWrld wrote:
“In case you did not know, term “fascist” and “fascism” in Russia means not just any fascism…”
No, in Russia, the definition of fascism in limited to non-Russian fascism.

“the government in Kiev is indeed neo-Nazi.”
The government in Kiev has a few right-wing nationalist MPs – who represent a small minority of the population. Actually better than many Western countries, such as the USA and Canada, who don’t believe in the principle of proportional representation. In those countries, and many others such as the UK, MPs representing a minority of the population are often allowed to control the government, even if the majority of the population oppose them. The Russian government also has several right-wing nationalist MPs – a few are even openly fascist. So by your logic, the Kremlin is even more Nazi than Kiev. Oops! No, Russians can’t be fascists, their “definition” of fascism excludes that possibility. Guess what? Stalin, Putin’s hero, was a fascist.

It came to power on the wave of protests spearheaded by Ukrainian neo-Nazis”
The Ukrainian population was fed up with their corrupt president Yakunovich and his kleptocrat cronies. They recieved support from the US and EU. A small number of right-wing extremists joined in to help the protesters, sometimes a little too aggressively. Yaku and a few of his supporters tucked their tails between their legs and fled to Russia – with large amounts of Ukrainian money. The Yaku ex-supporters who stayed behind disowned him and teamed up with the opposition MPs to try and keep the country together. They are the “government who came to power” in Kiev – same people as were there before, minus the few who ran to Mother Putin. Get your facts straight.

“‘Only Ukrainian-patriotic mass media and organizations are allowed’ and so on, and so forth.”
Strange… most Ukrainians in the East can only get Russian State TV – the same propaganda being fed to the Russian population. Some of the armed gunmen decided it was in the population’s best interest to not be able to see any Ukrainian TV. But I guess Russian patriotic propaganda is OK, because it isn’t really propaganda – not according to the Russian definition of propaganda.

“German Nazism subscribed to theories of racial hierarchy and social Darwinism, asserted the superiority of an Aryan master race…”
Hmmm… sounds suspiciously familiar… As the joke goes – in Soviet Russia, Russian is top of racial hierarchy, then is Ukrainian, then is Central Asian and Caucasian and other inferior slave races. My, how things have not changed! It’s 1970 all over again in Putin’s Russia.

“…It aimed to overcome social divisions, with all parts of a racially homogenous society cooperating for national unity …”
Hahaha! Yeah, overcome social divisions within the “master race” only, in theory. Even that was crock! Don’t try and tell me there were no rich and poor Nazis. Same difference, except to continue the “joke” – in Putin’s Russia, Russian is master race.

May 10, 2014 4:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

DellStator wrote:
“So for the first time in Decades Russia’s leader is NOT in Moscow wathcing parade…”
Actually he was. Gave a long-winded patriotic speech on Red Square celebrating the defeat of the Nazi invaders and the Russian invasion of Crimea, accompanied by an impressive military parade with tanks and missile launchers – the works, just like in the good old Soviet days. Then he went to Sevastopol and did it all over again there.

ckubric2 wrote:
“It is very important that we keep the facts straight here. …The Democratically Elected Government of the Ukraine leans towards an economic union with Russia and POOF, we have a coup.”
Yeah let’s straighten out the facts – there was no coup in Kiev. I’m tired of people spouting of this bit of Kremlin propaganda as fact. It was a popular uprising – a rebellion if you prefer. The Ukrainian military had nothing to do with it. A few civilian militant groups played a minor role. That hardly makes it a coup – especially since all the MPs currently in Kiev were elected.

“A large segment of the Ukrainian east with strong historic and ethnic ties to Russia does not recognize the ‘New Illegal Government’ and demands the right to self determination…”
The portion of the population in the East who are unhappy with the current situation can demand all they want. They have several possibilities. First they can choose a presidential candidate to represent them in the elections on May 25th. Why haven’t they done that? Maybe because they know they’re a small minority and their candidate has no chance of winning? They can also get MPs elected to represent them in the Duma, to replace the ones who ran away to Russia. But it’s unlikely they’ll get more than they had before, so they won’t control the Duma. This obviously upsets them, but that’s how democracy works. A small minority can’t control the entire country against the will of the majority – well, except in the US, UK and Canada. Maybe they should move there if they don’t like Ukraine. So they decided the solution was to get some military backing from Putin & friends, and just take over the region by force. Then coerce part of the local population into supporting them and terrify the rest into silence. Looks an awful lot like a coup to me.

“The west … starts to pound us with “The Big Bad Russian” warmongering nonsense.”
The West does an awful lot of warmongering, I admit. That’s bad, but has little to do with the situation in Ukraine. It’s not at all like Iraq. Ignore the NATO gorillas – they’re just chest-beating to try and feel useful.

“Harper has no authority, be it moral or legal, to involve our military in this matter.”
I 100% agree on that last point. Harper is one of those warmongering idiots who was cheering for Bush Jr. when he decided to invade Iraq. Thank goodness he wasn’t PM of Canada at the time!

boreal wrote:
“Does Bibi qualify as a half-wit? He, and many of his ilk in this age still think god himself came down from high heavens just to give Israel that piece of land in biblical times from where during the past couple of decades Palestinians are systematically, illegally displaced, their houses bulldozed and 1.82 million of them locked away in a hermetically sealed open-air concentration camp under blockade, controlled by Israel. The only democracy in the ME (we are told, the democracy thing, often).”
Yep, definitely qualifies as a half-wit. The Israeli government is clearly an example of State-run terrorism and genocide – directly supported by the US, and even Canada to a lesser degree, which shames me to no end. A clear example of Western hypocrisy. That however doesn’t excuse Putin’s blatant hypocrisy, imperialism and aggression. Evil is still evil, no matter who is dishing it out.

“In 1954 Khrushchev … gave Crimea … to the Ukrainians. On that day, he probably had a bit more vodka…”
Only Nikita Sergeyevich knows what prompted him to transfer Crimea to Ukraine… the world will probably never know. It’s also irrelevant – it was legally transferred, and this was confirmed by treaty between Russia and Ukraine when the USSR broke up. This fact obviously irritated Vladimir Vladimirovich and many Russians, but what he (or any of his supporters) wants is also irrelevant.

@TheBearPaw
I think Reuters is one of the few fairly balanced Western news outlets actually. Stating each side’s position and opinions is perfectly justified. Reporting that someone said something isn’t an endorsement of that person’s opinion, or that the person’s actions are justified or even legal. Journalists are supposed to report what people say and do – what EVERYBODY involved says and does, as objectively as possible. Even the people you dissagree with.

May 11, 2014 5:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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