Southeast Asia group calls on China to speed up maritime security talks

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AntiGreed wrote:

I believe China’s intent is not only the South and East China Seas, but also seeking to control the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Some Chinese sources have already claimed Okinawa, Guam, and Hawaii … based on HISTORICAL SOVEREIGNTY!?
“(The Chinese officer said) You, the US, take Hawaii East and we, China, will take Hawaii West and the Indian Ocean.” Keating recalled.

May 10, 2014 11:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Stickystones wrote:

“China says territorial disputes should be discussed on a bilateral basis. It claims the entire South China Sea, putting it in conflict with Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei.”

Discussions on a bilateral basis = Strong-arming weaker nations. The US knows this strategy well and it is the principal reason most nations are distrustful of US foreign policy. The ASEAN should be the organization to faciliate negotiations.

May 10, 2014 12:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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Why in Europe, America and Russia sanctions make it difficult for Russia and China have a chance to rise up? we should because of the public interest that the negotiations with each other, if not, we will hug each other and die before the rise of China. everyone can see! both the U.S. and Russia today are experiencing these problems, both economic disadvantage and military deployment. China has blatantly acting spokesman. China’s ambitions do not stop at the beach, which is the world’s hegemon. Americans are paving the way for China to become hegemonic. Our economy should not depend on China. let’s stand on their own feet

May 10, 2014 1:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
markhahn wrote:

I wonder if Chinese citizens and leaders find it ironic that they are pursuing this massively “hegemonic” path. Or perhaps they think it is only their right, by virtue of the size of their economy?

May 10, 2014 2:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
isthnu wrote:

@markhahn

I call on you to debunk cold war mentality and read history lessons well. China was one of the biggest victims of hegemonic imperialism and knows it so well, inside out. Something tells me the old hegemonism is having an undying influence on some people.

May 10, 2014 4:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BiteRight wrote:

This oil rig installation is within 9-dotted boundaries asserted by the Chinese in South China Sea. Maybe US should try to help Vietnam by setting up another giant oil platform 50 nm away to test Chinese reaction. I bet there will be more boat ramming but Obama just got no guts to do this.

Bilateral talks ? It’s easier said than done. Neither side is willing to admit being soft by offering talks. One-by-one tackling is the strategy favored by China.

May 10, 2014 9:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

If a country claim to be a sovereign country, she should have backbone and negotiate directly one to one with China. Ganging up for ‘group purchasing power’ like hyenas will never achieve any result as China will never negotiate under the shadow of US influence. ASEAN is trade, not a military Nato organization so any hint of ganging up militarily on China will be met with even less cooperation from China.

The Philippine last couple of ASEAN meetings was the instigator inflaming the situation. That is why China choose to GRIND her out.

Even the current Chinese fishermen arrest for endangered turtles seems like a setup conveniently timed for ASEAN meeting. In order to deal with China, there should be NO HINT of US influence. Then China will be easier to deal with. At worst the smaller countries can withhold agreement and China cannot proceed to drill or possess the disputed islands. China also want to keep her reputation intact but if the smaller countries especially Philippines take an aggressive David vs Goliath attitude, China will just string her along till the next president take over. This is how China operates… lots of patience, Game of GO to checkmate her opponents.

May 10, 2014 9:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kailim wrote:

In the South China Sea, Chinese call the Paracel Islands the Xisha and the Spratly Islands the Nansha.

First known Chinese literature mentioned the islands of the South China Sea was dated 4 century BC during the Zhou Dynasty.

During the Tang Dynasty (618-907) traders and fishmen explored thoroughly the South China Sea.

For protecting the fishing grounds and trade routes in the South China Sea, the Song Dynasty (960-1279) deployed its navy to patrol the South China Sea regularly. No dispute or protest from any nations at that time.

The Yuan Dynasty (1279-1368) inherited the territory of the Song Dynasty and included the South China Sea in its sovereignty. Again no dispute.

The Ming and Qing Dynasties (1368-1911) inherited the sovereign territories of the Yuan Dynasty and included the South China Sea Islands of course. These islands were put under the jurisdiction of Qiongzhou Prefecture during both dynasties. Again no dispute.

In 1885 after losing the Sino-French War, the Qing Dynasty ceded its vassal state, Vietnam, to France. The Sino-French Tearty of 1887 expressly provided that the east of Sino-Tonkin line should belong to China; and the east of the Sino-Tonkin line includes both the Paracel and the Spratly Islands.

From 1911 the Republic Of China inherited all the sovereign territories of the Qing Dynasty including the islands of the South China Sea. Again no dispute.

In 1932 the Republic Of China protested and denied France’s claim of the Paracel Islands.

In 1938 French troops invaded and occupied the Paracel Islands amid the protest of the Republic Of China. A few days after the French occupation, Japanese Foreign Ministry issued a protest declaration to France saying that “The Staements of Great Britain and France made respectively in 1900 and 1921 already declared that the Xisha (Spratly) Islands were part of the administrative prefecture of Hainan Island. Therefore the current claims made by An’nan or France to the Xisha Islands are totally unjustifiable.”

From 1939 to 1945 Japan occupied all the islands in the South China Sea and put them under the administration of Taiwan authority.

In 1946 the Republic Of China sent 4 warships leased by the United States Of America to South China Sea to assert sovereignty there. China occupied the Taiping Island (the biggest island of the Spratly Islands) and other islands at that time and has maintained a garrison on the island until today. No dispute or protest whatsoever at that time.

In 1958 the People’s Republic Of China having inherited all the sovereign territories of the Republic Of China declared the nine-dotted line which was in fact established by the Republic Of China. Vietnamese Prime Minister Pham Van Dong wrote to his Chinese counterpart Zhou Enlai immediately after the Declaration saying that “the Vietnamese government respects this decision.”

In 1973 Vietnam formally claimed the Spratly Islands.

In 1978 the Philippines formally declared the Spratly Islands its territory.

May 10, 2014 10:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

@Kailim

Thank you Kailim for putting historical facts for all to see. I want to add that the Philippines immediately after independence given by US in 4th July 1946 starts to scheme to take the Spratlys, specifically the Kalayaan island group using Tomas Cloma as a front with Senator Carlos Garcia later VP and President of Philippines as his accomplice. He even see him off after his almost 10 years of set up manufactured res nullis claim that led to Taiwan, ROC to come in and take back Itu Aba/Taiping Island in Sept 1956. During those years China and ROC were at active civil war, thus less presence in the Spratlys but their marker stones, flags were removed by Tomas Cloma, an illegal act. Of course later Marcos framed him and in 1978 Marcos annex the islands. I have being railing all along the Philippines had illegally annexed Kalayaan, done by Marcos on 1978 by decree while US turned a blind eye. I guess Kalayaan is like Diaoyu/Senkaku, a fixed aircraft carrier equivalent that can threaten US bases in Subic and Okinawa, that is where US is complicit to serve her own agenda.

As for Vietnam as I said, Pham Van Dong at least make a tacit agreement that the Paracels belongs to China. If the Vietnamese are smart, she should not send naval forces to confront the Chinese oil rig but instead try to negotiate a shared resource there. I don’t know why the general Vietnamese population can’t see the wisdom of this and fall for the simplistic 200 miles EEZ coastal argument. AND they should joint force with China, Taiwan to take back the Spratlys from the Philippine and Malaysia, both illegally obtained since they were not in their map on independence date.

May 10, 2014 11:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RainMaker112 wrote:

Can any of you guys cite any trustworthy, academically peer-reviewed source of such historical ‘facts’? What I have noticed is the China-paid commenters usually have an arsenal of bogus ‘historical facts’ to provide in any forum so create the impression of knowledgability and such.

Officially, the Chinese government has never presented and historically reliable evidence on their claim of the islands.

May 10, 2014 11:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kailim wrote:

RainMaker112,

It is raining now here in Quangzhou.

You wrote nonsense:
that you know nothing about me and yet pinned me as a China-paid commenter; and
that you produce nothing proving my statements wrong and yet labelled them as bogus historical facts.

Furthermore you may not aware that governments are not necessary to present any detail evidence on their inherited sovereign rights and responsibilities. For instance, Deng and Thatcher did not present evidence in detail regarding Hong Kong when they met in 1981. It may be a secret to you but Thatcher knew that Deng did not have the Treaty of Nanking at hand, Chiang Kai-shek had taken it to Taiwan.

Suggest you go to the library for a few hours to prove me right, yes right, not wrong.

May 11, 2014 2:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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