Failing Ukraine state plays in to Russia's hands

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SvenBolin wrote:

Nice try Reuters! Another one of those “some people say”.
Instead; please tell us what Nueland, CIA chief, VP etc where doing in Kiev. And where is the 32 tons of gold the US took from Ukraine?

May 18, 2014 6:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

I’ll second that question about the gold. Libya’s gold also disappeared. Where is the gold?

May 18, 2014 6:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
godfree wrote:

“But those five days were enough for Russian President Vladimir Putin to set in motion a chain of events that have undermined Kiev’s pro Western government”.

Of course, the local people could not possibly have acted independently, out of
a) Identifying with Russia
b) Being terrified of the murderous US coup in Kiev.
c) Wanting to quadruple their salaries by getting Russian jobs.

Our mainstream media is dying because of propagandistic articles like this. When big government and big media controlled all information such narratives were supportable. But now they’re not and ordinary folk are bailing out of MSM in their millions.

May 18, 2014 7:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
godfree wrote:

“But those five days were enough for Russian President Vladimir Putin to set in motion a chain of events that have undermined Kiev’s pro Western government”.

Of course, the local people could not possibly have acted independently, out of
a) Identifying with Russia
b) Being terrified of the murderous US coup in Kiev.
c) Wanting to quadruple their salaries by getting Russian jobs.

Our mainstream media is dying because of propagandistic articles like this. When big government and big media controlled all information such narratives were supportable. But now they’re not and ordinary folk are bailing out of MSM in their millions.

May 18, 2014 7:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
godfree wrote:

“But those five days were enough for Russian President Vladimir Putin to set in motion a chain of events that have undermined Kiev’s pro Western government”.

Of course, the local people could not possibly have acted independently, out of
a) Identifying with Russia
b) Being terrified of the murderous US coup in Kiev.
c) Wanting to quadruple their salaries by getting Russian jobs.

Our mainstream media is dying because of propagandistic articles like this. When big government and big media controlled all information such narratives were supportable. But now they’re not and ordinary folk are bailing out of MSM in their millions.

May 18, 2014 7:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
godfree wrote:

“But those five days were enough for Russian President Vladimir Putin to set in motion a chain of events that have undermined Kiev’s pro Western government”.

Of course, the local people could not possibly have acted independently, out of
a) Identifying with Russia
b) Being terrified of the murderous US coup in Kiev.
c) Wanting to quadruple their salaries by getting Russian jobs.

Our mainstream media is dying because of propagandistic articles like this. When big government and big media controlled all information such narratives were supportable. But now they’re not and ordinary folk are bailing out of MSM in their millions.

May 18, 2014 7:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

Russia didn’t start the fire, they had a president who was or is more the less realistic in term what would do the disrupture of economic ties with Russia would do.

But unexpectively for the West, Russia will be the major beneficiary of Ukraine disintegration. Putin plaid it well and always was one step ahead of US, who vested major money in order to destabilize Ukraine and thus inflict crisis in Russia.

The problem of US is ethnic makeup of the Department of State, monoethnicity of the Department makes questionable the policies of the Department.

The Department caries openly ANTI-American foreign policy to a detriment of the United States of America.

Instead of creating a major powerhouse US- Russia- China, the Department butheads with these countires.

May 18, 2014 7:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Cassssandra wrote:

U.S. took Ukraine’s gold from Kiev. Where is it?
U.S. took Germany’s gold. Where is it. Germany wants it back.
U.S. refuses an audit of it supposed gold. What are they hiding?
U.S. owes more than it can pay back.
Time to dump U.S. Treasury Bonds. They are junk bonds.
Time to create a new world trade currency.

May 18, 2014 8:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WvvWvvWvvW wrote:

All of these articles make much more sense if, in place of references to “the Ukrainian government,” you substitute “the coalition of oligarchs and heavily armed neo-Nazis that seized power from the former freely elected Ukrainian government.”

May 18, 2014 8:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

Elizabeth Piper attributes the destabilization of Ukraine to Russia when the credit properly belongs to the US State Dept’s Victoria Nuland. There is no doubt that a failing Ukraine state plays into Russia’s hands but to attribute it to Russian geopolitical genius is to give Russia too much credit.

The US spent a fortune in Ukraine in a failed attempt to deepen divisions and strengthen the factions from Western Ukraine against Yanukovych. The net result was disastrous. In hindsight, Yanukovych was not so bad.

Piper wrote a better article published by Reuters in December last year, “Special Report: Why Ukraine spurned the EU and embraced Russia.”, which accurately describes how the EU lost Ukraine.

Simply put, the EU, with its own economic crises in Southern Europe, would not offer Yanukovych the money Ukraine needed. Adding insult to injury, the EU’s attitude to Ukraine as “less than Poland” rankled. Then the Americans charged in with their usual “bull in a china shop” finesse. And the rest is history.

Russia did not win Ukraine. US diplomatic incompetence lost it.

May 18, 2014 8:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mcundyf wrote:

The Neo-Nazi Government in the Ukraine, has put a guarantee on the failure of this Country.
European, American, and Far Eastern Companies have been moving out of the Ukraine for twenty years, because of their Neo-Nazi Government.

May 18, 2014 9:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

Putin’s apologists out in force to tirelessly defend Russia’s bullying and aggression again I see.

Quelle surprise.

Those claiming U.S. Treasury bonds are no better than junk are seriously deluding themselves.

It is the Russian economy which is taking a serious nosedive.

Word of advice; those of you in the Kremlin propaganda sweatshops, make sure you get paid in dollars, not rubles.

Also, watch your backs, as you’ll be first against the wall when the inevitable revolution hits Russia.

May 18, 2014 9:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Russia’s acquisition of Crimea was remarkably smooth, and it makes sense that they would have a contingency plan to protect their vital strategic interests there.

As to the document, it could be original, edited, or fake, who knows. The expansionism of Russia is probably over-hyped. It is flush with marketable energy resources. US Senator John McCain disparaged Russia as a “gas station”, but, if so, they are the number one gas station in the world right now and for the foreseeable future. Furthermore, this is not just luck, but rather the result of revolutionary science and technology.

Logically, Russia has no pressing expansionist imperative, though it may continue to acquire whatever limited strategic areas the West is foolish enough to put into play.

May 18, 2014 9:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

Quick question; all you nut jobs who claim that Reuters is part of some James Bond baddie, global conspiracy – what the hell are you doing here?

Just as importantly – how do you explain Reuters publishing your comments, if it is supposedly corrupt?

In your heads, is the comments section run by the Homer Simpson of the Illuminati or something?

May 18, 2014 9:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

Just 3 recent events to get an idea why many Ukrainians might reject the Kiev junta regime and pro-European orientation:
1) The fiery holocaust of Odessa.
2) The burning down of police headquarters and killing local policemen in Mariupol.
3) The Eurovision jury choice of bearded Conchita Wurst for a winner of its song contest.

May 18, 2014 9:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DavidLogan wrote:

Seems like ever since the Belgian “monkey face” photoshop pictures..Obama has had it in for Putin…coincidence?

May 18, 2014 9:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

Amazing – what Putin was pulling off both at Syria and in Ukraine, without any of the – shock-and-awe, trillion-dollar and decade-long wars.

Looks like they watched and learned from US, what not to do.

May 18, 2014 9:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Cassssandra wrote:

Treasury Bonds are promises to pay in U.S. dollars.
Since U.S. dollars are backed by nothing and U.S. debt is unpayable,
these Treasury Bonds are in effect “Junk Bonds”.

U.S. claims to have some gold but will not allow a audit. Wonder why.

May 18, 2014 9:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
eturugo wrote:

I am not much interested in all these stories. Nowadays news media play politics. They don’t feed the public with the truth. Ukraine problems started in Kiev, period. But it backfired because Russia feels it cannot stay in the stream while soap enters its eyes. Obama and the US will do the same.

May 18, 2014 11:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
opat wrote:

These are two key paragraphs which build credibility:

“While Putin has presented separatist violence in eastern Ukraine as spontaneous, interviews with Ukrainian politicians and security sources with knowledge of Russian thinking suggest months of detailed planning by Moscow.”

“Bearing no signature or stamp, it is hard to trace its provenance, but a former security source in Ukraine corroborated its contents.”

We’ve heard who these people with “knowledge of Russian thinking are”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amd4l0OtKkA

May 18, 2014 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
2Borknot2B wrote:

Cassssandra wrote:
U.S. took Ukraine’s gold from Kiev. Where is it?
U.S. took Germany’s gold. Where is it. Germany wants it back.
U.S. refuses an audit of it supposed gold. What are they hiding? (MAYBE THEY ARE PAYING THE BAD ALIEN HORD IN GOLD?)
U.S. owes more than it can pay back. (NOT TRUE.)
Time to dump U.S. Treasury Bonds. They are junk bonds. (NO, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT “THEY” WANT.
Time to create a new world trade currency. (NOPE. WE WILL CRASH AND BURN FIRST AND “THEY” ARE GOING FIRST, SO “THEY” CAN’T IMPLIMENT “THEIR” PLAN.) L.

May 18, 2014 1:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DellStator wrote:

What was the point of this article? That Ukraine, via a single bill that was never even made law, pissed off pro russians. It was the inherient checks and balances in a democratic gov’t that kept that bill from becoming law. Apparently it’s also the fear of spineless politicians that if they boasted of this, to make the case for democracy, they’d loose votes and cushy jobs. Not unique to the Ukraine, the US has not one politician who will point to the successful efforts, admittedly few enough of them, to bolster the increaingly poor (and working harder and longer) middle class of America for fear of losing votes. Letting instead the right unchallanged in their fear mongering, and if there is anyplace more to the right than Russia, I don’t want to know about it.

May 18, 2014 4:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
nvgg wrote:

Stupid article

May 18, 2014 12:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hto_eto wrote:

KGB in Eastern Ukraine does the same as usual in Ukraine – occupy the country.

Russians do the same as usual – poison the life of neighbor nation.

Nothing special.

The good news is that now the affected area decreased to the size of several cities on the east with high percentage of people who think they are Russians.

But there are also a lot of people who still believe that Ukraine is the better choice, that is why Ukrainian army tries to take them and their land from the hands of “rebels” who started their “mutiny” from “taking” former KGB buildings with arms arsenals. It is not a rebellion in fact, it is simply the coup at the regional level made by secret services junta that acts as usual – intimidating population by hijacking torturing and killing political opponents. It was normal in Stalin’s USSR, it was normal in Chechen war, nothing special. But the hope still exists as we see how the territory of horror shrinks and more and more people and governments in the world understand its criminal fascist nature.

May 19, 2014 6:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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