Kremlin again says Putin has ordered troops from Ukraine

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lub wrote:

Excellent handling of the crisis, Mr. Putin and congrats to the monumental gas deal with China!

May 19, 2014 7:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pbgd wrote:

When statesmen make announcements they don’t keep, they lose confidence. You simply don’t trust anyone who lied to you before.

May 19, 2014 7:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

The only one here to blame for the violence is madman Putin himself…he has ulterior motives and this is not the end of it..only the beginning.

May 19, 2014 7:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Calfri wrote:

I don’t see how saying you’ve moved troops back, but haven’t, is a conciliatory signal, nor how saying you’re going to move troops back, but might not, is a conciliatory signal either. Maybe describing it this way is a kind of wishful thinking on the part of the reporters.

May 19, 2014 7:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

And he’s said this how many times so far (removing the troops along the Ukrainian border)? – 3 times at least? I’ll believe it when I see proof he actually did it this time. Knowing Putin, he lied again. Maybe a few hundred will leave, and he’ll make up another one of his silly excuses why the rest are still there. Like he fears an invasion of Russia by Ukraine – loved that one! Sad thing is, there are people on this planet gullible enough to still believe anything that comes out of Putin’s mouth.

May 19, 2014 8:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

Bye-bye EU. Russia closes gas deal with China.

“For Russia, implementing these agreements means diversifying gas supply destinations, while for our Chinese partners … it could be a remedy for energy shortages and helps ecological security,” Xinhua quoted Putin as saying in an interview with Chinese media ahead of the May 20-21 visit.

A deal after nearly two decades of talks would secure the world’s top energy user a key chunk of supply as demand for the cleaner burning fuel is set to surge.

May 19, 2014 9:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

@CanRus
If you don’t believe to anything until you see it on CNN you gonna miss out on lots of things.

May 19, 2014 9:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

The troops are going back to base again?

Didn’t they listen to Putin the first time he gave the order?

Or was Putin just lying first time round?

As other posters have rightly pointed out therefore – at what point do you stop believing a constant liar?

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

May 19, 2014 10:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

@lub and pyanitsa – don’t count your chickens too soon on that gas deal.

I believe Gazprom want $25 billion – UP FRONT – for gas to be supplied in 2018. I’m not sure the Chinese are fool enough for that. Not with the excessive prices Gazprom want for the gas too, when compared with the competition.

It begs the obvious question of course; why are Gazprom so desperate for cash?

The Kremlin goons on here have been claiming Russia is awash with cash reserves. That clearly isn’t the case though.

Either way, this China gas deal is still a fraction of the amount Gazprom currently supplies to Europe. Saying bye-bye to the EU would be committing financial suicide therefore.

Like it or not, Russia needs the West, at least as much as we need them, probably far more in reality.

You need to see past your Putin propaganda it seems therefore, because you are currently not operating in the real world.

May 19, 2014 10:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Timbuk3 wrote:

Once again, Obama has failed to start WW3 and destroy ‘Murica.

May 19, 2014 10:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

Am I mistaken, but isn’t this the second time He-Who-Would-Be-Czar (Ras)Putin said he ordered Russian troops elsewhere? Were all the satellite photos showing mock-up hardware designed to fool people, or is he playing a shell game? Like most Russian dictators, He-Who-Would-Be-Czar (Ras)Putin cannot be trusted. Would anyone like to give a vote of confidence for the likes of Stalin and all the other power crazed flunk-tionaries that have festooned Russian history? I would not.

May 19, 2014 10:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

JackHerer wrote: “Russia needs the West, at least as much as we need them”
We don’t need them Jack. What we really need is a breakthrough in solar batteries and other alternative energy sources. Based on what I’ve read so far, I believe we are just 5-10 years away from it, and this will be a complete game changer… Let the Russians make vodka out of their gas and oil, that’s pretty much all they can make. :)

May 19, 2014 11:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

we heard all this before…actions speak!!

May 19, 2014 11:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ELinares wrote:

That’s Putin in a nutshell; with all the overt lies he’s told in the past—from “I love gays” to “When I punish dangerous Pussy Riot girls I’m fighting for freedom of speech”—, this might mean that Russia/USSR-2 is going for an overwhelming attack to annex Ukraine and the Baltic nations, or just that they are going to do nothing at all—Keep ‘em guessing, Little Evil Putin!

May 19, 2014 11:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

Putin heading to China? Is this planned outcome? The election is sure to cement a fragmented Ukraine, in a deeper economical abyss. Are we still committed to our pledges? Do we have other options?

This is the beauty of “nation engineering.” You can be assured of the start but nobody knows how it ends. Now NATO planners have to think twice getting Ukraine on board.

Have we learned anything from 911? The Koreans are disbanding coast guard because of a ferry accident. We haven’t even started figuring out who authorized creation of Bin Laden. Where’s our version of accountability?

Now our prez jumped into the front line of puppet creating, bringing a couple up in a short trip. But Vietnam’s violence was quick to raise quality concerns of his work. Obama, if we are so determined to continue “nation engineering,” let CIA do the job.

May 19, 2014 11:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hello7777 wrote:

Old “Putty” would never ever tell a lie commrades!

Старый “Putty” никогда бы не лгать товарищи!

May 19, 2014 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

What we see here is a classic propaganda example of how to create perception that someone has lied by selective reporting. There were 3 phases:
1) Troops massed at the border.
2) Troops pulling out of the border but continuing exercises in the area.
3) Troops back in barracks.

May 19, 2014 11:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Warhawk wrote:

Good for Russia that the gas deal is signed with China… Now they can supply all the raw materials to China so that China can grow stronger, and relegate Russia further to a third world country status of a raw materials supplier. I wonder if the Chinese see Russia as an equal partner?

May 19, 2014 12:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

@lub – you missed:

4) The Kremlin’s shameless propaganda goons appear online with only silly semantic reasons why Putin’s not an out and out liar.

May 19, 2014 12:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

Face facts lub – Putin’s a liar.

May 19, 2014 12:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

Vladimir Putin Lie #372:

“We have moved Russian troops away from the Ukraine border.”

May 19, 2014 1:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

Previous Russian pledges to pull back troops – including an announcement by Putin himself on May 7 that they had already been withdrawn – produced no significant withdrawal.

It’s the third Putin statement on withdrawal of Russian troops, but so far we haven’t seen any withdrawal at all, a withdrawal of Russian troops would be the FIRST important Russian contribution to de-escalating the crisis.

May 19, 2014 1:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

Whatsgoingon: “We haven’t even started figuring out who authorized creation of Bin Laden. Where’s our version of accountability?”

Republicans / Conservatives don’t hold their leaders accountable:
** Reagan authorized the creation of Bin Laden. **
Wikipedea: “Under a policy that came to be known as the Reagan Doctrine, Reagan and his administration also provided overt and covert aid to anti-communist resistance movements in an effort to “rollback” Soviet-backed communist governments in Africa, Asia, and Latin America. Reagan deployed the CIA’s Special Activities Division to Afghanistan and Pakistan. They were instrumental in training, equipping and leading Mujaheddin forces against the Soviet Army. President Reagan’s Covert Action program has been given credit for assisting in ending the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, though some of the United States funded armaments introduced then would later pose a threat to U.S. troops in the 2000s (decade) war in Afghanistan.”

** Reagan got 241 Marines killed in Lebanon. **
“Reagan in 1983 sent forces to Lebanon to reduce the threat of civil war. The American peacekeeping forces in Beirut, a part of a multinational force during the Lebanese Civil War, were attacked on October 23, 1983. The Beirut barracks bombing killed 241 American servicemen and wounded more than 60 others by a suicide truck bomber. Reagan then withdrew all the marines from Lebanon.”
“Suicide bombers detonated each of the truck bombs. In the attack on the building serving as a barracks for the 1st Battalion 8th Marines, the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, making this incident the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since World War II’s Battle of Iwo Jima, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Vietnam War’s Tet Offensive, and the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II. Another 128 Americans were wounded in the blast. Thirteen later died of their injuries, and they are numbered among the total number who died.
In the attack on the French barracks, the same day, the nine-story ‘Drakkar’ building, 58 paratroopers from the 1st Parachute Chasseur Regiment were killed and 15 injured by a second truck bomb. This attack occurred just minutes after the attack on the American Marines. It was France’s single worst military loss since the end of the Algerian War.”
The sure is worse than 2 embassy official and 2 CIA Contractors in Darrellghazi.

May 19, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
OlegOdessa wrote:

Please help designate Russia as “State Sponsor of Terrorism”

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

In its unannounced war against Ukraine, Russia relies on covert operations which fall squarely within the definition of “international terrorism” under 18 U.S.C. § 2331. Specifically, armed operatives of Russia, acting under disguise, attempt to influence the policy of Ukrainian government by intimidation or coercion. They also try to affect the conduct of a government by assassinations and kidnapping, taking by force government buildings, police posts and military bases of Ukraine. This activity is being conducted on large scale and over prolonged time period, despite condemnation by the USA, G-7, NATO, EU and UN.

May 19, 2014 2:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
OlegOdessa wrote:

He did not move from Ukraine borders unless what he ordered included also taking his troops out of Crimea.

May 19, 2014 2:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

I think Putin is very crafty and studied many previous wars. He is taking the slow and steady approach to Russian expansion. Maybe even took some lessons from the Chinese on 1000 year plans.

The world needs to keep a close eye on this boy. He is not hot headed or easily sucked in and appears to have a lot of public backing for his venture.

May 19, 2014 3:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YesNoMaybeSo wrote:

WWIII =
Russia, China, North Korea, a few of the Stans–VS–EU, USA, England, France, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Philippines and who knows perhaps now Vietnam. The Middle East and Africa will probably be too busy fighting themselves to notice until the nuclear winter arrives.

May 19, 2014 3:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UScitizentoo wrote:

> Putin orders Russian troops back to bases
He already ordered them back a few weeks ago. They are already gone. The Russian soldiers there now are elaborate wax dummies to fool Nato. The idiots at Nato think their satellite pictures showing 50 thousand Russian soldiers are real, but really they are wax dummies, cardboard tanks and potemkin military camps.

May 19, 2014 4:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPHR wrote:

After building a new headquarters some 2 decades after the cold war ended just to alleviate its leaderships job insecurity NATO leadership has become so desperate to show its use as an extension of US foreign policy that they go all the way to hype up the crises.

May 19, 2014 4:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

Yes, Russian troops positioned on the Russian border..That’s HUGE news!

Humorously – the only way i’m able to understand it – 111dave111 drags a wiki cut/paste into the discussion that, among other things, briefly mentions the CIA’s clandestine operations across the globe, which is then followed by olgaodessa’s tired “Evil-Terrorist-Russia” petition.

You’re either going to have to put a few of the pieces together and understand what it is that you are truly advocating for, or maybe i need to re-double my understanding of who is commenting as an advocate, provocateur or antagonist.

May 19, 2014 8:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

@lub
Why in the world would I want to watch CNN? It’s almost as bad as RT and VoR.

@UScitizentoo
Thanks for a chuckle. A bit of humour always helps in a grim situation.

May 19, 2014 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
nose2066 wrote:

Isn’t it great that Russia may be able to achieve its military objectives just by threatening Ukraine without actually firing a single shot?

If this were a NATO military “mission”, they would already be dropping bombs and firing masses of missiles (shock and awe).

May 19, 2014 12:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

What Kremlin says it does, so far slow moving Putin gained everything he wanted.

May 19, 2014 12:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ScottyHican wrote:

The US thinks elections are important? Don’t make me laugh. The maidan thugs have had the stuffing beaten out of the only pro-Russian candidate because a lot of Ukrainians don’t want to go along with the junta that has occupied Kiev. A typical US sham.

May 21, 2014 11:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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