China confronts U.S. envoy over cyber-spying accusations

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Chayfo wrote:

Yeah, only the USA can hack and spy on people. Our government needs to quit being such a bunch of hypocritical bitches. I hope China dishes it out. Clearly our government barely listens to its own people, so maybe a large country can help to pull their head out of their asses.

May 19, 2014 11:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
purfus wrote:

They have a point on the spying practices of our government. But trying to compare Malware activity to organized corporate espionage perpetrated by a foreign government… That’s silly.

May 19, 2014 12:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Avi123 wrote:

We are sick of horrible, pathetic and incompetent Chinese not men enough to put up fair fight in the international scene. Bring the issues openly to the international court. Discredit all Chinese. Everything outside China is unfairly copyable as seen by the Chinese. This has to stop.

May 19, 2014 12:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ccharles wrote:

They cant be real. Hypocrisy? Even if the NSA leaks never happened this would still be a hard sell. Not like they are not doing that, but its expected of them. Instead of putting together there network to spy on everybody, and i mean everybody, they could of worked on securing the internet from these type of intrusions. But they are not interested in helping america in that way, and now is too late to try.

May 19, 2014 12:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Treadhead wrote:

it’s impolite to point fingers.

May 19, 2014 12:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
dnreb wrote:

This shows how stupid the US foreign policy is: Instead to leave China alone this policy will create a coalition between Russia and China, which the USA cannot defeat. The United States will cause World War III with billions of people eradicated, but who cares as long the profit is ok for the next couple months.

May 19, 2014 12:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
HelenaMT wrote:

Max,
Focus on investment and tourism for Chinese in Montana. Cyber stuff is done by everyone, who cares. But enlighten the Chinese about the quality of life and products in Montana, let them know the history of Chinese that helped to build railroads, mining, goods and services before and after Montana became a state. And then work with officials in Montana to renovate and highlight places in Montana where Chinese lived, worked like the smelting kilns in Helena.

May 20, 2014 3:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Qspinor wrote:

If I am not mistaken, it was revealed last year that the U.S. was indeed conducting industrial espionage on Brazil’s Petrobras oil fields prior to U.S. multinationals entering bid. This for all those die hards that believe that our spying is purely for defense and security. One of I am sure hundreds of cases yet to be unveiled by the Snowden files. I believe we have also been caught red handed spying on German firms.

Be ironic if these companies start suing the NSA easily naming our top NSA proponents for criminal charges since we have just set the precedent. Moreover, this will open up the NSA to private citizens suing NSA spying? This move demonstrates our comically growing incompetence in setting foreign policy with such blatant hypocrisy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/25907502

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/germany-opens-hearings-on-us-spying/2014/04/03/cf58f2d0-b42b-4e59-a403-75f968d6edb0_story.html

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/gchq-and-nsa-targeted-private-german-companies-a-961444.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/09/us-usa-security-snowden-petrobras-idUSBRE98817N20130909

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/brazil-tv-to-release-nsa-documents-that-show-us-spied-on-petrobras/2013/09/08/8c4cdaf6-18d0-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

May 20, 2014 3:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BanglaFirst wrote:

Why is US not doing the same with Israel and France who are always stealing technology & copying!

May 20, 2014 3:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse

When I first heard about these “Chinese hackers”, I immediately thought that sword-wielding Chinese Uighur Muslims must have attacked another train station in the restive Xinjiang province.

May 20, 2014 7:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

It is completely silly for China to deny it was hacking. The sessions were recorded by Mandiant and placed on YouTube so everyone can see them. Go look yourself and read the Mandiant report. Read the indictment. The U.S. authorities nailed the Chinese criminals this time. They can deny this all they want, but the facts are out for everyone to see. It is high time that the U.S. government push back against the continual raiding and theft of U.S. company’s industrial secrets and confidential communications. Good to see the Obama administration doing something. In the past, the U.S. government has always been a wimp against China, and China got used to being the spoiled brat that can do whatever it wants. No more. Stop stealing from the U.S.

May 20, 2014 7:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

It is completely silly for China to deny it was hacking. The sessions were recorded by Mandiant and placed on YouTube so everyone can see them. Go look yourself and read the Mandiant report. Read the indictment. The U.S. authorities nailed the Chinese criminals this time. They can deny this all they want, but the facts are out for everyone to see. It is high time that the U.S. government push back against the continual raiding and theft of U.S. company’s industrial secrets and confidential communications. Good to see the Obama administration doing something. In the past, the U.S. government has always been a wimp against China, and China got used to being the spoiled brat that can do whatever it wants. No more. Stop stealing from the U.S.

May 20, 2014 7:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CountryPride wrote:

Hypocrisy is when you are saying one thing and doing another. While both China and the USA spy on each other this is normal but China has been committing espionage and stealing trade secrets from China for years. The USA has nothing to steal from China because they have no innovation, all they do is steal and copy. There is no hypocrisy in this but what is ironic is that the same big companies crying for more foreign H1B visa’s for foreign workers are the same companies crying about these same foreigners stealing their trade secrets. I don’t feel sorry for these type of companies at all who have sold out Americans but America should be doing what we can to stop these foreign thieves!

May 20, 2014 7:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bugzy wrote:

China should lead by an example. The situation is easy, USA can have those Chinese hackers while China can have everybody that has ever hacked into Chinese systems from the NSA. The USA has forgotten that E. Snowden is Russian now and China is Russia’s biggest ally. Call this nonsense off and resolve it man to man. Obama….why are you not showing leadership? Meet Xi and sort it out.

May 20, 2014 7:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse

There are server issues here… let me try this again:

Speaking of Snowden leaks, there is a deafening silence in the US over the fact that NSA routinely hands over the raw data that it collects on American citizens and others to the Israelis. And the Israelis are pretty much free to use the information in any manner they choose.

Snowden’s leak, om Sept 11, 2013, exposed the deal. This should have been big news in the US; it wasn’t. The NYT waited five full days before briefly mentioning the leak and there has been zero follow-up on this in the major US media.

Here’s a link to the UK Guardian story that details the sordid arrangement:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

If your bank accounts get hacked, your PIN’s get stolen, or your ID is ripped-of, there is a distinct possibility that some unscrupulous Israeli could be the culprit… such a deal!

May 20, 2014 7:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bugzy wrote:

Even though USA spied on Germany, they still couldn’t give GM the formula to build proper cars! Haha…..May be USA should focus on being the best and not trying to halt fast rising competition. I see another Great Britain in the making……overspent, used too much resources for nothing good and when the time came, it went broke. Americans would pay more taxes once it’s hard for America to stop big competition. You guys should learn a lesson from the once Great Britain that controlled almost half of the world. The bigger the bubble, the bigger the burst!

May 20, 2014 7:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

Anyone who knows the United States knows that its intelligence community does not engage in industrial espionage. The reason why is simple to understand. If it did, then as soon as information was released to a company, other companies would sue the government for unfairly helping a competitor.

May 20, 2014 8:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

Anyone who knows the United States knows that its intelligence community does not engage in industrial espionage. The reason why is simple to understand. If it did, then as soon as information was released to a company, other companies would sue the government for unfairly helping a competitor.

May 20, 2014 8:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nickir wrote:

It’s one tactic if you’re hauled in by the cops…bluster!

May 20, 2014 8:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TonyP4 wrote:

There is nothing wrong with hacking. All companies try to steal
business secrets from their competitors EVERY day unless you live in a cave for
the last 10 years, you believe in fairy tales or you believe CIA (also NSA) is
a friendly, information-gathering agency.

We should protect our secrets. Period.

It is like a beautiful lady (with a lot of goodies and secrets) dressed almost naked and jogging in the middle of the night in a crime neighborhood. Can she justifiably ask for you and ask her father to prosecute the violator? If so, should the world prosecute NSA (who is no angel) for spying on them? I rest my case.

It has been illustrated from my book Debunk the Myths in Investing (amazon).

May 20, 2014 9:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
apollo1981 wrote:

“The Chinese government and military and its associated personnel have never conducted or participated in the theft of trade secrets over the Internet.”

And there are little green men on Mars.

May 20, 2014 9:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Solkre wrote:

Nobody beats China at corporate espionage; but really it should be seen as the cost of business in China. Do people really think that you can get all that cheap labor and materials without hidden costs?

May 20, 2014 9:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
OBryan wrote:

You have to love it. Our government signed deals knowing that our jobs would run into the arms of China. now it seems they are not our friends after all. This policy of buttering up enemies to make them allies has got to stop. they bicker over making min wage law because it may cost jobs. Oh if I had the power congress would find themselves with suitcases at the Chinese harbor. what a pack of losers

May 20, 2014 9:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
njglea wrote:

China seems to have it’s own Snowdens. Wonder who is really paying them all to try to destroy the credibility of governments. Time for citizens in the United States to invest MORE in OUR government and get rid of “contractors” who seem intent on destroying it. China, too, apparently.

May 20, 2014 10:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RD137 wrote:

I’m sorry, when did we start giving a crap what the Chinese government thinks? 90% of their people slave away in dirty factories and they don’t even know what’s really going on in the world.

May 20, 2014 10:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

So it seems simple. If the Chinese propaganda gobblers and those who think everything in this world has an equal opposite, please feel free to bring equal and comparable charges against the US. After all, you should have plenty of material, what with the Snowden leaks.

I’ll be waiting with baited breath for this to occur.

May 20, 2014 10:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

It is kind of cute to watch people confuse totally different types (and purposes) of espionage.

May 20, 2014 10:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
chuck2 wrote:

China could wreck the USA economy via messing about with the “We owe China 1 trilplus debts”. The whole thing will be decided by the money folks. China and in fact entire world, except for USA commoners it seems, knows if the money wants anything special, simply call up their employees in fed/state legislators and “The matter will be handled now, thanks for check etc”.
USA is for sale, has been sold, and “Corp Patriots” are ink :Patriotic” ti bottom line, China need only shake those trees a wee bit and this will become media fodder and little more. Any threat to the greed of WS/Banks/Massive profits, will end the whole thing. After all how many companies want a “Made in USA” product which might mean 2% less markup? About all this does is give Chinese/USA politician’s a soap box to do the usual predictable blither, wave the flag and election fodder. What it should do but will in the final analysis is wake up public to the power of China, and it’s bud, Russia.

May 20, 2014 10:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
redrod wrote:

I really hate to see my country in decline. Going hat in hand to these other scubag run places begging. Diversity works if you are trying to destroy something. Saying that, China is financing the operation of this country. Why do we continue biting the hand that is apparently feeding us?

May 20, 2014 10:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
solomonbunker wrote:

Everyone needs to see the bigger picture here. This is an attempt to ‘smoke out’ bigger fish that the US is after. It seems more than coincidence that this is happening a little over 2 months after the ‘disappearance’ of MH370. The US is ‘borrowing’ the individuals on that plane for their hacking/cyber/intelligence knowledge leading up to this. Now that the Chinese citizens have been indicted by the US and therefore cannot safely travel, the US will now watch and see who goes to them.

May 20, 2014 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
yakyakyak wrote:

between Clinton selling them hardened chip technologies for nuclear missile guidance systems,to Bush allowing IBM to be sold despite IBM being the Pentagons security and technology partner,to Obama just giving away large chunks of American industry like GM,and taxpayer supported industries like solar farms just to maintain his campaign debts to them why would they need to hack anything our U.N.ran government willingly gives it away.Second point nuclear power plants are closed network loops only physical intervention could hack them.Does anyone do actual investigations any more?

May 20, 2014 11:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
elwoodblues wrote:

Remember that the Chinese have no qualms about theft nor do they care about proprietary law. China will continue to steal, rob, and cajole it’s way to superpower status. The ONLY country to rival this level of lawlessness is… us. This whole thing is the Chinese version of Kabuki to establish dominance on the world stage. They see the US leadership as weak and incompetent because our US leadership IS weak and incompetent. This is simply business as usual!

May 20, 2014 11:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
debris-field wrote:

Public Service Announcement:

The Military Industrial Complex has overtaken the US Government and is now in complete control of everything – they have already been caught blackmailing people with stored surveillance data. This nation is being run from the Fort Belvoir “Star Wars” headquarters along with the new Utah Data Center in Utah that collects everything we do. But thanks to the heroic freedom-fighter and whistle-blower Edward J. Snowden we now know that an army of private contractors working for the NSA and the US Military unlawfully monitors & stores everything you purchase, everyone’s IP addresses, all your e-mail contacts, telephone traffic, all your text messages, passwords, your GPS locations with dates and time, Facebook test posts & pictures, LinkedIn pages & pictures, your search engine keywords entered (yes – even the keywords typed in but you don’t press the enter key), all the web sites you’ve visited, all your credit card numbers, all your inbound and outbound e-mail messages are stored, your voice-print, and facial image (for facial recognition devices planted around the world used to identify your movement). They have also now installed ultra-high resolution traffic cameras in US cities and on police cars that scan our license plate tags and store that information in databases and those databases are shared with the NSA so they can track your every movement. They can even tell if you were in the car or not at the time the license plate was scanned by comparing GPS data from your smart phone with the license plate data to see if they match.

They store all this information forever, under your name, at the US Military’s new massive Utah Data Center and can pull it up at any time and look back in time at all your data. They can even freely tap into the microphone and/or camera on your smart phone, tablet, laptop, PC, Television, Set Top Cable Box, your automobile’s OnStar system, your Xbox, and any other similar Internet connected devices. Rest assured – if it connects to the Internet – the US Military can tap into it and illegally monitor you. The NSA also has back door access into the entire line of RSA’s encryption tools.

Think you can ever run for elected office? Only if they “allow” you to. The entire system is now rigged. Corruption and greed are the rule inside America’s highest leadership. The leadership on Wall Street, in the major media, in our military, and in our federal government are running these entities like a lawless mafia organization. The entire financial system is faked and they have pushed $17 Trillion of debt into its citizens’ laps in order to fund their wealth & control. The entire financial market is propped up – rigged – through the relentless printing of paper dollars … $80 billion per month … that gets secretly distributed into Wall Street firms. What is reported and discussed on TV is specifically designed for your consumption by the “Big 6″ major media outlets and is being tightly controlled in a military fashion in order to maintain this facade and to hide their secret dealings. That’s why you hate watching any of the news outlets. They lie to you and you know it. But they have you convinced “it’s best for society.”

Google: “How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations” and see the documents Snowden released regarding how the military is involved in brainwashing you and your neighbors.

May 20, 2014 11:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
quechan wrote:

America plays checkers to others game of chess. Its true with Russia and the Ukraine and now with China and espionage. We need to think through our mutual self-interests. We can’t act as though commanding them to jump will lead them to ask “how high?” Withdraw the charges on the Chinese military. Instead, improve our spying on the Chinese military.

May 20, 2014 11:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

China hacks. Knew that.

May 20, 2014 11:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
quechan wrote:

In case you forgot the job of our intelligence agencies is to protect us. While charging the Chinese army isn’t a smart idea, spying on them is a smart idea.

May 20, 2014 11:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hubble01 wrote:

Baucus must inform the Chinese that the U.S. will impose import tariffs on ALL Chinese products. And I do mean ALL. AND that the U.S. will actively seek to establish manufacturing capacity in all other countries of the world except the Arab Muslim world.

Make it clear to the Chinese leaders that all attempts to cheat the market will be futile because China will not have a market to cheat.

May 20, 2014 11:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JRTerrance wrote:

If these company secrets are so important, what are they doing on the internet in the first place? You know, you don’t have to have your entire computer network hooked up to the internet.

May 20, 2014 11:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RCB53 wrote:

Oh what tangled webs we weave when we first practice to deceive!

May 20, 2014 11:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
biff. wrote:

If china wants anything they can just use the clinton connection.

May 20, 2014 11:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nedarc wrote:

America has lost most of its power under this foolish Administration.. Obama’s ‘Leading from behind, and ‘Hashtag’ Activism is a fools game.

May 20, 2014 11:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nearboston wrote:

Soreto and the donors oops I mean “Ambassadors” are setting up WWIII.

May 20, 2014 11:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Warhawk wrote:

China and the US are now locked economically, being dependent on each other for various reasons, the US should not however give in to the Chinese espionage, and the indictments are certainly steps in the right direction. China does not respect the intellectual property laws, and those responsible for braking the international laws deserve the punishment. The US is not the only country affected by this. Germany is pulling its sensitive operations out of China because so much of their technology has been stolen by the Chinese. At the same time there is no law enforcement in China that would allow for theft of intellectual propoerty to be investigated. China is still a communits monster, that trumples human rights in ways most people in the west don’t even comprehend. A lot of it is hidden from public view, international corporations are not keen on having this information leak out because by doing business in China they de facto support all of the human rights abuses committed by the communist authorities. Now how many Chinese are free to express their opinions on the internet without the fear of being locked up – think about it!!

May 20, 2014 11:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DMH123 wrote:

Zheng claimed that China has never hacked a US system. He later claimed that you can keep your health insurance if you like it, the IRS scandal was isolated to a couple of rogue agents in the Cincy office, and the attack in Benghazi was the result of a youtube video.

the US Ambassador, Max Baucus, just laughed and said, “that’s a good one, I guess you got me.”

May 20, 2014 11:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Despiserd wrote:

The Centralized Commies in both countries arguing about who is going to control the rest of isnt a conversation we should be having in AMERICA…

May 20, 2014 11:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
tonyg49 wrote:

Stay toned for yet another Obama . . . . babbling . . . . I’m “madder than hell” speak” . . . while he sets up to play another round of golf….

May 20, 2014 11:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
tonyg49 wrote:

Stay tuned . . . for yet another Obama speech . . . .”I’m madder than hell” . . . whist he plans for a round of golf . . . .

May 20, 2014 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
tonyg49 wrote:

Stay tuned . . . for yet another Obama speech . . . .”I’m madder than hell” . . . whist he plans for a round of golf . . . .

May 20, 2014 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SecomRon wrote:

Perhaps it’s time for the U.S. to break all diplomatic ties with China, Tax all their imports at 200%, require all imports to meet stringent standards, and nationalize any Chinese owned properties on U.S. soil.

Block all internet and data connections leaving the U.S. that could go to suspect overseas servers.

Withdraw all aide, and generally do unto others as they would do unto the U.S.

May 20, 2014 12:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@new_york_loner wrote:

“If your bank accounts get hacked, your PIN’s get stolen, or your ID is ripped-of, there is a distinct possibility that some unscrupulous Israeli could be the culprit… such a deal!”

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Inject Israel into this story like you do in others. You are an obsessive (insert the word of your choice, not mine).

Gnash, bash and trash Israel! Typical you! You must REALLY hate them.

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As to this story, everyone spies on everyone, their are no innocent by-standers, just casualties, with some worse off than others.

To the Snowden lovers, revealing NSA domestic spying (on US citizens) is one thing, revealing spying on other countries, leaders, companies, etc., that’s being a TRAITOR to his country. The US is no better or worse than China, Russia or whoever. What goes around comes around.

May 20, 2014 12:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Well, the Chinamen do have a point on US hypocrisy, since the list of who the US Government is NOT spying on is very short indeed.

May 20, 2014 12:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ingodwetrust wrote:

Obama and his administration continues to spread their love around the world…how many countries hate us now???

May 20, 2014 12:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Our gubberment is doing it’s best to not only turn it’s people against the USA, but the rest of the world, too. Welcome the failure of the USA….

May 20, 2014 12:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
costag1 wrote:

It is scary how some people do not have a clue how technology works. All companies use the internet to perform their day to day activities. It is called their INTRANET. They separate this from the INTERNET via firewalls and other security provisions. Stealing secrets is a dangerous thing and is considered a crime. Monitoring someones conversation that sends stuff over the INTERNET is not.

May 20, 2014 12:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mascmen7 wrote:

China, Israel and Russia have stolen tremendous number of US secrets industrial and military via hacking. China has all our industries and want what is left in USA. Israel thinks they can steal all our secrets because Hebrews in USA help them and cover for them. Russia has never abandoned communism but created a ruse to gain money from West and steals all our secrets. Israel sells our secrets to Russia and China.

May 20, 2014 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
evonyphil56 wrote:

Really the Chinese are just mad they got caught it took a traitor to catch NSA. And by the way NSA spy on governments and that’s their job period. We only need to be upset about the stuff NSA pulled inside the country not outside. I say have the Fed print the money pay the Chinese off and ban their goods. We will suffer from a shortage of cheap stuff for a while but I am sure their are some Americans who be happy to have jobs making those goods better here. we should suck it up and cut them off. If the dollars falls on the yuan, guess what it hurts them not us. I have been and lived in China many years they love money and nothing else. The Chinese immediate reaction to anything is to steal it or cheat and be proud about it.

May 20, 2014 12:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Cranios wrote:

Chinese businessmen = crooks.

May 20, 2014 12:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ONTIME wrote:

Personally I would like to infuse our position like a real warrior would do and that is to go on the offensive and just steal every thing possible from the PRC military computer systems and then put them on display as a warning of how to not PO the US……..there is nothing like a object lesson and it beats the hell out of whining…

May 20, 2014 12:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
crash15444 wrote:

It wouldn’t be a problem if US companies tightened up their environments of multi-billon dollar companies. The Chinese gained access to most of this stuff through email malware links; not exactly cutting edge espionage. Big company like Westinghouse should be using VDI or rolling out thin clients; their traffic from workstation zones should all be behind a controllable proxy & use a corporate honeypot. There should be a group of network folks specifically assigned for perpetual network penetrations, there is no excuse for what these chinese guys were able to do; you leave the front door of your home open enough, someone is going to walk in.

May 20, 2014 12:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rocque wrote:

Threats from Red China are like al qaeda threating more violence when someone strikes back at them. The last thing invented in China was gun powder and that was a long time ago. Of course they are stealing.

May 20, 2014 12:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BuggyBob wrote:

The United States HAS to stop this nonsense that if we are nice to Russia and China, if we trade big time we can all get along. That trade nonsense did not do too much for a lot of nations near Germany in 1939.
China’s “exchange” students have been one big pipeline of stolen secret to China. Tourist and business ventures are all too often spies and/or agents for Chinese and Russia security services. We need to drastically reduce our exposure to them–not as sanctions but literately to save our butts.

May 20, 2014 12:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mghaluska wrote:

Who the hell do the Chinese think they are hacking into foreign data sites – that’s the NSA’s Frakkin’ job!

May 20, 2014 12:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mghaluska wrote:

Who the hell do the Chinese think they are hacking into foreign data sites – that’s the NSA’s Frakkin’ job!

May 20, 2014 12:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
libsukbigtime wrote:

Another country went from being friendly to us to despising us. Nice job Barry. BTW, how is the reset with russia working out?

May 20, 2014 12:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Galut11 wrote:

Leave indictments alone …just send them back to china and have china replace them ….that usually how the diplomatic game is played …all embassies have intelligence officers on staff …intelligence gathering is expected within certain ground rules … being a open society here in the US it is harder to harden information sources …

May 20, 2014 1:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hermeneutica wrote:

Indeed! America SHOULD hack every laptop in China. And when that scumbag murderous regime the enslaves millions and frees only thousands to practice capitalism does the same to us, they should be exposed.

Only a cowardly, degenerate society can’t tell the difference between the heritage of genocide perpetrated by a government upon its citizens and that of a free society that won its freedoms on the battlefield fighting such 3rd world dictators. Indeed, that’s why we have a 3rd world thinker in the Oval office, sympathetic to China.

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gregio wrote:

Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Both governments are riddled with corruption and the public of both countries knows it, the simulated “shock and outrage” of the Chineee is laughable they would do better to name a few US military who have been stealing Chinese secrets and offer a prisoner exchange or spy swap. That would deflate the tension and send some well deserved mud Holders way.

May 20, 2014 1:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

China has been stealing and copying technology since the time the first mass marketed transistor Radios were made in Hong Kong, then a British Crown Colony. The Great Leap Forward, 1958 to 1962, in which least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death in China over those four years, included the intelligentsia, who could have done much to set up China’s academic and industrial base. (Pol Pot tried the same nonsense.) China therefore had to resort to theft of technology and information to jump start its industrial sector. That was aided by small minded business “leaders” who shipped production to China to increase their “profits”. Unfortunately for the American Public, Chinese goods, for the most part, continue to arrive with poor or bizarre designs, odd workmanship, toxic materials, forged UL and other listings, and for every high point, there are low points as well. Their most profound failure is their manufacture of the ubiquitous plastic “plug strip”, a true high probability fire starter in my view and experience.

All this history considered, it is no wonder they cast their nets out on the internet to see into what security they can breach to steal intellectual property, classified information, and business plans.

Therefore, let China throw its verbal hot air around with threats, something at which they have become adept. Do they have the courage of their convictions? We will see. Right now, they remain sticky fingered shoplifters.

May 20, 2014 1:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
IllKeepMine wrote:

Shut down all trade with China and cut the cable.

May 20, 2014 1:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
chuckiechanc wrote:

My God, the Chinese even out lie Obama! I think they see him lying and assume that is “business as usual” in the USA.

Who can blame them if you take our current government and the MSM I can see how the Chinese can come out with the wrong opinion of the interaction of the government with the people.

May 20, 2014 1:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

“According to the indictment, all five defendants worked with Unit 61398 of the People’s Liberation Army “, which had been “hired” by Chinese state-owned companies to provide information technology services” including assembling a database of corporate intelligence. The Chinese companies were not named.”

What are we running CIA and NSA for? If we don’t do these can we close them and refund taxpayers?

May 20, 2014 2:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rts18202 wrote:

I guess we will see how much power the Chinese have. Will they cut purchases from the US. Will they put restrictions on what is sold to us and at what price. Will they restrict American companies operating in China. Will they use the $1.27 trillion we owe them to do us harm.

In short, can they punish us more than we can punish them. Are they a friend, or still a major foe.

May 20, 2014 2:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bob9999 wrote:

“Zheng ‘protested’ the actions by the United States, saying the indictment had seriously harmed relations between both countries, the foreign ministry said in a statement on its website.”

That’ll make the U.S. government tremble in its boots. Pretty hard-hitting stuff, all right. They call in the ambassador and snub him by having the deputy foreign minister rather than the foreign minister himself do the chewing out. (Or maybe that was to make the chewing out less official.)

Next thing you know, they’ll really start to hit back at the U.S. It’s only a matter of time before the U.S. ambassador starts to be invited only to second tier social events in Peking. And then they’ll start to serve lesser table snacks at afternoon tea when the ambassador is over. Ouch.

May 20, 2014 2:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

@rts18202 China is hundreds of years behind us and the word “punishment” hasn’t existed yet in their dictionary.

They boomed up because our renewed interest on slavery, this time in international form (Lincoln must be turning in his grave)

If all a slave can do is jerking chains, they can’t do any harm to us, unless we invade them. In the 50s they pushed back our jets and tanks by sticks and stones, we will likely see similar resistance today. But, they don’t have any capability threatening us, nor do they have that intention. (Powell may disagree – they do have WMDs)

It’ll all depend on us to position China as friend or foe. In the slavery system words come from the master.

I can understand that we need enemies to boost defense spending. But pissing off people on purpose is not noble. It’ll back fire, eventually.

May 20, 2014 3:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FreedomFries wrote:

Typical CCP China strategy. When you do something wrong, attack the accuser.Do they think anyone doesn’t see through this by now?

The accusations “harm relations”? Apparently to have good relations with China you have to let them rob you blind. This isn’t even spying, it’s organized theft. Its as if the Chinese robbed American bank accounts and called it spying like everyone does.

It’s not just the US either. China steals from Japan, Europe, and even their on again off again political ally Russia.

May 20, 2014 3:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mwab wrote:

@ new_york_loner

Do not feed on fuaxnews, your brain will stop working & you will never know, like majority muricans.

May 20, 2014 3:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AdamH wrote:

Nobody is affraid of America or John Kerry.

May 20, 2014 3:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
thebriang wrote:

I’m betting there were Chinese Nationals working in high level positions at every one of those companies, Stupid Is As Stupid Does.

May 20, 2014 4:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Newsrocket wrote:

Too many lying, utterly dysfunctional, over ego’d men, are a threat to the world. Bust them for being products of derelict or AWOL parents and find new leaders – preferably women, who understand about the preciousness of life and the absurdity of endless worldwide street fights. Boys may be boys, but tell ‘em to do it on their own island.

May 20, 2014 4:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

The more China grows economically and militarily (mainly, thanks to American corporations), the more it is going to push the West around. Even a kindergarten kid would understand that concept… but not our corporate bosses. So, maybe cheap labor is not that cheap in the end?

May 20, 2014 4:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyanitsa wrote:

Yes, Obama should impose economic sanctions on China

May 20, 2014 5:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lleon_Davis wrote:

The rank stupidity on display by the Obama administration is simply breathtaking. What are these people using for brains? Clam chowder? Good grief! Obama is using the NSA to spy on everybody in the world, including heads of state. He hacked into Xi Jinping’s and Angela Merkel’s phones and tried to hack Putin. And the NSA wouldn’t a danged thing to prevent a terrorist attack because the bad guys have a hundred ways of getting around electronic surveillance. Any sign of MH370 yet? Obama is using the NSA to tap into everything, and that includes foreign corporations. I feel sorry for the president who comes after Obama. I wouldn’t want the job. Obama said he was going to make the world love America again. Instead, he’s made the world hate America. And he has another two years left.

May 20, 2014 6:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lleon_Davis wrote:

The rank stupidity on display by the Obama administration is simply breathtaking. What are these people using for brains? Clam chowder? Good grief! Obama is using the NSA to spy on everybody in the world, including heads of state. He hacked into Xi Jinping’s and Angela Merkel’s phones and tried to hack Putin. And the NSA wouldn’t a danged thing to prevent a terrorist attack because the bad guys have a hundred ways of getting around electronic surveillance. Any sign of MH370 yet? Obama is using the NSA to tap into everything, and that includes foreign corporations. I feel sorry for the president who comes after Obama. I wouldn’t want the job. Obama said he was going to make the world love America again. Instead, he’s made the world hate America. And he has another two years left.

May 20, 2014 6:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
skiimaan wrote:

The showcase of patriotism should be spectacular.
If China retaliates by dumping US T-bills, Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and many other US billionaires, multi-millionaires should get their cash ready to buy to buffer the dumping.
fyi, I have $2,000 on hand.

May 20, 2014 6:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DireMouse wrote:

China has no friends. They deserve fewer.

May 20, 2014 7:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The two main bizarre points are the NSA spy activities and the ignorance of Americans about free enterprise versus communism. If the US is cought in massive spying against all other countries, why should it be unhappy that others do the same to the US. Accept it and move on or let the whole world despise the US for its hypocrisy.

The second point shows US stupidity about making things. Private US companies make US military equipment and technology. Foreign spies will search for secrets in those private US companies that make US military technology. In spying on steel workers, why are Americans too stupid to know that warships, warplanes, and armored vehicles are made of steel alloys? Steel workers know the composition of the metals in the weapons because steel workers MAKE the weapons or the basic frames for the weapons.

Finally, Chinese spies will give the information to Chinese state owned companies because China is a COMMUNIST country that makes its weapons in state owned companies. Didn’t the idiots in the Obama regime study any of this in school? Didn’t these worthless morons ever make model airplanes, tanks, and warships? Didn’t they play with any of these toys when they were kids? Kids are appropriate because Obama’s dummies have less intelligence than goats.

May 20, 2014 7:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@carlmartel wrote:

“Kids are appropriate because Obama’s dummies have less intelligence than goats.”

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Hmm, must be a Republican, well FYI, this has been going on a long time, before Obama. Who was before him, oh, Bush, that’s right.

May 20, 2014 8:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
joey_bababalu wrote:

When will US officials be indicted for spying on US citizens and foreign governments and industries?

May 20, 2014 9:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fw360 wrote:

What an act of stupidity… to put Chinese spies on the “most wanted list”!?

1) Wimpy — It sounds like we are helpless and whining.
2) Hypocrisy — It shows to the world our pretence. I wonder if China will announce their list of names.
3) Ineffective — Since you are never going to get these spies anyway, why further damage the relationship (unless you are really ready to end the relationship permanently… obviously in this case we cannot).

Whoever thought of this dumb action should be fired!

May 20, 2014 11:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Personally, I think we should suspend ALL trade with China and tear up the so-called “free trade” agreement with it. Screw China.

May 21, 2014 1:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Personally, I think we should suspend ALL trade with China and tear up the so-called “free trade” agreement with it. Screw China.

May 21, 2014 1:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fw360 wrote:

“…suspend ALL trade with China and tear up the so-called “free trade” agreement with it…”

So you want us to be a global laughing stock by reneging on our signed documents and start a trade war? We just barely recovered from the Great Recession… you want to start a 2nd Great Depression around the world?!

May 21, 2014 3:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
KitHolz wrote:

Each time the US is accusing other countries – it seems they (the US) is talking about itself.

By the way sanction and freezing assets is theft – practised only by thugs like US, UK and sometimes Switzerland.

May 21, 2014 5:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse

The US mostly spies on other nations for defensive reasons, not to steal trade secrets from their corporations.

May 21, 2014 10:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse

You can’t compare NSA spying to corporate espionage perpetrated by a government.

May 21, 2014 10:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gotham1883 wrote:

Now the Chinese know how Americans feel. The Obama admin and therefore the fed gov continues to lose more and more credibility thruout the world and in American. They can use force here to maintain themselves for awhile, but when they try to use force against other countries everyone sees thru them for who they are.

May 21, 2014 11:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gotham1883 wrote:

Thanks for putting it all together Debris-field. And VeryFrankTruth, if you believe what you wrote, you are a zombie.

May 21, 2014 11:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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