Father blames government 'idiots' as California town mourns killings

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dd606 wrote:

Evo1 wrote:Wait, he started killing by stabbing his three roommates to death, and killed just as many victims with a knife as he did a gun. He also ran people down with his car. So why is he a “gunman” and not a “knifeman” or a “carman”?

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Because calling him a ‘gunman’ instead of just a ‘killer’, puts focus on the gun, thereby stirring up the political pot of gun control… which then gets all the anti gun people spinning yet again. Which is all the media does now days… Stir the pot. Because otherwise, nobody would pay attention to them, and they wouldn’t make any advertising income.

May 26, 2014 1:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Let’s see: person may have malaria, let’s send out a mental health specialist. The person may have a mental health issue, let’s send out the Sherif’s Office. Wouldn’t though the video have been enough to get a search warrant? If not, we have an even bigger problem.

May 26, 2014 5:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Milo321 wrote:

Look, there are over 330 million people in the United States and over 200 million have guns. The odds that there are a few wackos out there are great. If they want to kill, they will find a way. If there are no guns, they’ll use a knife, car, bomb, hammer, screwdriver or whatever. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens will only allow the bad guys and crazies to have the guns. Is that a society you would want to live in? I know I wouldn’t…

May 26, 2014 10:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MunchHausen wrote:

Ugh. Another knee-jerk, emotional reaction that misses the entire point of what caused or even contributed to his kid’s terrible death.

In this case, as in Newtown, MENTAL ILLNESS coupled with violent video games and movies led to these deaths. Guns were just the tool.

While I feel bad for this father, the truth is that a gun-free America (A) Is Not Possible – criminals and crazy people will ALWAYS get them; and (B) Will make all of us less safe from Government Gone Wild or an invading force.

May 26, 2014 11:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse

California has some of the toughest gun laws on the planet. They didn’t help a whit here. Chi-town and DC have very restrictive gun laws and every morning you get a blotter with the gun deaths from the night before.

When states become “shall issue” with respect to concealed carry permits, violent crime rates actually DECLINE. The reason? The bad guys don’t put themselves in a situation where they are likely to encounter somebody with a concealed deadly weapon and legal authority to use it against them. Moreover, in Texas, for example, a concealed carry permit holder is 17 times less likely than a member of the population at large to be subsequently convicted of a crime. 17 TIMES less per DPS statistics.

This is a grieving father who clearly isn’t thinking straight and hasn’t researched the issue.

May 26, 2014 12:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jose3 wrote:

If it wasn’t for the gun, three victims would be dead and the shooter would still be alive.

May 26, 2014 12:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NoodlesNR wrote:

I would be extremely curious which combination of anti depressants/anti psychotics he was on. You can be assured when someone has been in and out of therapists office since age 9, they are on something. Another thing that all these mass killing spree people have in common is that they were all on mind altering medications. The kind where some of the side effects include, thoughts of suicide and acts of violence….

May 26, 2014 12:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NoodlesNR wrote:

I would be extremely curious which combination of anti depressants/anti psychotics he was on. You can be assured when someone has been in and out of therapists office since age 9, they are on something. Another thing that all these mass killing spree people have in common is that they were all on mind altering medications. The kind where some of the side effects include, thoughts of suicide and acts of violence….

May 26, 2014 12:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

This fellow knifed his room mates first. So maybe we should control knives, too. And he maimed others by driving his vehicle into pedestrians also. Ban cars. We’d better ban shoe laces and belts while we’re at it also. We wouldn’t want any stranglings.

And before long, we’ll be living in wig-wams like the indians and walking everywhere we want to go, with our pants falling down and shoes falling off. Terrific. Simply terrific.

May 26, 2014 12:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
justamaz wrote:

Lovejoyone: The main purpose of a gun is to protect yourself or your family from crazy or evil people like these. Making it illegal to have guns will not prevent evil and crazy people from getting them. If you want laws to prevent people with mental issues from getting weapons, I’m all for that. If you want thorough background checks, without being extremely obtrusive, I’m for that.

May 26, 2014 12:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VeronicaK wrote:

This fathers emotional response is excusable given the devastating terrible situation he has been confronted with, however what is inexcusable is the general mentality that more regulation on a very important constitutional right will somehow make us safer as a society.
We cannot be so narrow minded in our identification of threat. It is not the occasional crazy person that attempts to murder, or even accomplishes murdering some innocent people. We could eliminate the majority of that only by individually locking everyone up in padded cells and having machines pass our food through a slot. No, the real threat is removing the ability for innocent people to defend themselves against crazy people any one/thing else would desire to take away your individual life, liberty or pursuit of happiness.

May 26, 2014 12:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
nicholasglen wrote:

I think there is an opportunity for everyone to learn something from this outside of the tragedy. The sense I get is the father is trying to make sense of this and unable to is finding someone to blame it on. It is the ever-present victim complex that pervades our society and seeks to find somebody to blame for how our life is. While we will always have these situations we would have a lot fewer if children grew up learning about not being victims is the courageous choice and express their feeling and removing the sense of isolation, no matter how uncomfortable that might be. This is not a new phenomenon as anyone who remember the famous twinke case can see how pervasive this is.

May 26, 2014 12:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Loucleve wrote:

Government idiots?

California has the TOUGHEST gun laws in the country? The kid passed 2 background checks.

Any sensible indidual would conclude – criminals will always get guns. They certainly wouldnt blame it on the NRA.

May 26, 2014 12:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
duglarri wrote:

It’s so sad to see this apparently reasonable man lash out just because his 20-year-old son was gunned down. I’m sure if he has a little bit of time to think about it, he’ll realize that his son’s death is just the price of freedom.

That wasn’t the sound of gunfire: it was the sound of American greatness, that his son heard, that was the last thing his son heard.

The greatness that allows America, unlike all other democracies on the planet, to allow its mentally ill to enjoy all the rights and freedoms of every other citizen, including the right to be heavily armed.

If his son had to die, he died defending that right, the same right enjoyed by Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Squeaky Fromme, John Hinkley jr., and Adam Lanza, when they all went nuts and shot people.

To paraphrase Jefferson, the tree of gun ownership must be watered from time to time with the blood of children, students, and various other bystanders.

It’s a great country, and I for one am proud of our politicians who cower in their offices in terror of the NRA, making sure it stays that way.

May 26, 2014 12:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rolfen wrote:

There is no point banning guns, because that idiot could have used a frying pan, or whatever instead. So we might as well legalize and let people build nuclear weapons in their houses, since, heck, they can use frying pans instead. Have you ever tried to kill 10 people in public with a frying pan?

May 26, 2014 12:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hallsway wrote:

LoveJoyOne: “But the main purpose of guns IS to kill. That’s what they’re designed for.”

Tell that to these homeowners in Detroit: “Detroit Homeowners Have Fatally Shot 7 Intruders In Past 7 Weeks.” Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/detroit-homeowner-shooting-intruder_n_5128271.html

You insistence that the misuse of a car or knife to commit murder is different from the misuse of a gun to do the same is not rational. Handguns are purchased for protection against those who would do harm. They can be misused for murder. Knives are purchased for a variety of reasons. They can be misused for murder. Cars are purchased for transportation. They can be misused for murder… as can hammers, bats, pipes, and a variety of other common purchases.

The blame lies with the individual. In this case, where were the parents and the police who all realized this individual was dangerous?

May 26, 2014 12:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jakesterman wrote:

Congress didn’t act because the American People does not want them to act.
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I am sorry for Mr. Martinez’s loss but his grief stricken emotional rantings are no basis for eviscerating the US Constitution.
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“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

May 26, 2014 12:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
3887813 wrote:

Great comment, Evo1. Media liberals are hypocrites, pure and simple. They have destroyed our healthcare system, taken away our traditional freedoms, and now they are trying to disarm us. Disgusting.

May 26, 2014 12:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
duglarri wrote:

It’s so sad to see this apparently reasonable man lash out just because his 20-year-old son was gunned down. I’m sure if he has a little bit of time to think about it, he’ll realize that his son’s death is just the price of freedom.

That wasn’t the sound of gunfire: it was the sound of American greatness, that his son heard, that was the last thing his son heard.

The greatness that allows America, unlike all other democracies on the planet, to allow its mentally ill to enjoy all the rights and freedoms of every other citizen, including the right to be heavily armed.

If his son had to die, he died defending that right, the same right enjoyed by Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, Squeaky Fromme, John Hinkley jr., and Adam Lanza, when they all went nuts and shot people.

To paraphrase Jefferson, the tree of gun ownership must be watered from time to time with the blood of children, students, and various other bystanders.

It’s a great country, and I for one am proud of our politicians who cower in their offices in terror of the NRA, making sure it stays that way.

May 26, 2014 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cfbcfb wrote:

Step 1) Raise a nutjob and do nothing about it when they seem dangerous
Step 2) Your nutjob kills a bunch of people
Step 3) Blame guns and the government
Step 4) ???
Step 5) Profit

May 26, 2014 12:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JozJag wrote:

At this pint in time, there is NO WAY guns will be taken out of the hands of the American citizen. There simply are too many to do so…..what 200 million or so?

But, we HAVER to start screening people BEFORE they can get a gun.. All people who are under the supervision of a psychiatrist, need to be on a list… as the idiot man says: PERIOD.

Before you can get a gun, the seller, even a private party seller, gun show seller, retail merchant must verify that you are not on that list. If you are and they sell you a gun that is used in a crime, you go directly to Jail. You will not pass GO, you will go directly to Jail.

Will this stop all violent crimes, of course not. There will be the determined nut case that will build a bomb, use cross bow and arrow, steal a bus or cement truck and run it through a shopping center. But will will cut down on the lives taken.

May 26, 2014 12:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

What happened to the promises of mental health treatment and reporting in the aftermath of Newtown designed to keep legally-obtained firearms out of the hands of mentally-defective people? The President for one said he would push it. As with most things in Washington, if it is too hard to do, just ignore it until the attention wains. A man killed these people and one of the three tools he used was a firearm legally obtain by a person under treatment for mental illness sincer age 11. This is the prime reason I will never give up my ability to protect myself.

May 26, 2014 12:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ccharles wrote:

I wish the father would tell what law could of prevented this. Making that statement is so cliche now days. Guns dont kill, the people do. Everything was in place to prevent this. That the police didnt investigate the videos before encountering him on the welfare check is where the mistake occured. The videos would of prompted more of a look. Possibly a search warrent for weapons? Hindsight is always 20/20. Wishing peace for all involved.

May 26, 2014 12:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
goldminor wrote:

The big question should be ‘how did the system once again fail when there was information on this guy that should have aided authorities in assessing Eliot as a potential danger?’. The parents called the police to look in on their son. They must have not made a strong enough impression with their reasons for doing so. That is what I find somewhat puzzling.

It is easy enough to understand this father,s rage and sorrow over the loss of his son.

May 26, 2014 12:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jakesterman wrote:

@duglarri, Congressmen aren’t cowering in their offices fearful of the NRA. They are listening to the people who elected them. You are just sore that congress won’t kowtow to the libretards who despise the individual rights Americans enjoy. You don’t like the 2nd Ammendment? Move to a country without one or have the guts to try and change the constitution.

May 26, 2014 12:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
halloween wrote:

The problem is Not the gun and until people can and will take the responsibility of what the problem is with most of these kids that kill nothing will change, it seems this boy had problems from a young age and it got worse as he became older. The parents are also to blame in part. He should have been locked up in some hospital and kept there and the so called system is a Big problem they do not take the time or care. It is Not the fault of guns or police.

May 26, 2014 1:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jakesterman wrote:

Mr. Martinez is a criminal defense attorney. I wonder if he has ever defended anyone who used a gun during commission of a crime?

May 26, 2014 1:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
REnninga wrote:

It is a mark of a society which is in deep, deep trouble that any news story that is in any way related to the use of a gun to kill others will elicit a great many more comments than any other subject.

And those comments are predominantly from those arguing against any restrictions or encumbrances to their ownership of as many guns of any description and lethality, and as much ammunition as they personally desire to own.

In America, by all appearances, it is “guns above all and before all”, the only personal possessions which many consider important enough in their lives that they would fight to own.

How sick is that? America has certainly got a peculiar order of priorities, for a nation which likes to consider itself “civilized.”

May 26, 2014 1:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sonorama wrote:

@cfbcfb
Martinez, the man who is blaming guns and the government, was not the father of the shooter. Read the article.

May 26, 2014 1:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AmberKat wrote:

Nowhere in the article does it say Rodger ran people over with his car.

From the article: Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight whom he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.

If you use the numbers that are in that one sentence, then Rodger possibly injured only 5 people with his car. Thirteen people were wounded as he sped through town; but, of those 13, eight of them were shot from his speeding car.

I’m all for tighter regulations on guns. Some people just should not have them.

May 26, 2014 1:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AmberKat wrote:

Nowhere in the article does it say Rodger ran people over with his car.

From the article: Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight whom he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.

If you use the numbers that are in that one sentence, then Rodger possibly injured only 5 people with his car. Thirteen people were wounded as he sped through town; but, of those 13, eight of them were shot from his speeding car.

I’m all for tighter regulations on guns. Some people just should not have them.

May 26, 2014 1:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
advaitin wrote:

The sadness of a father who believes the government should have done more to protect his child is matched by the culpability he shares with with his fellow Californians who don’t believe in raising a child to manhood with the ability to protect and defend themselves.
A 20-year-old should be at his peak of physical and mental awareness, but growing up in a “Call of Duty” environment does not teach one to duck and roll–nor to fight back by whatever means possible.

May 26, 2014 1:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
2Borknot2B wrote:

Evo1 wrote: “Wait, he started killing by stabbing his three roommates to death, and killed just as many victims with a knife as he did a gun. He also ran people down with his car. So why is he a “gunman” and not a “knifeman” or a “carman”? Or why not simply “killer” or “murderer”? Are the people shot to death somehow more dead than those he stabbed to death? Did his stabbing victims suffer less? Will their family members and friends grieve less? Why is this considered a mass shooting and not a mass stabbing? Why is it that you want to attach some special significance to the use of the gun, and not to the use of the knife or the car? Are you trying to imply that all of this is the gun’s fault? Are the knife (and the killer) just innocent victims of the evil gun, which is really to blame for all this? Or is it that you just have a particular political agenda against guns that has nothing to do with how many people get killed, only whether they were killed with a gun?” TRUTH.L.

halloween wrote: “The problem is Not the gun and until people can and will take the responsibility of what the problem is with most of these kids that kill nothing will change, it seems this boy had problems from a young age and it got worse as he became older. The parents are also to blame in part. He should have been locked up (NO HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN TREATMENT WITH A COMPETNT PSYCH CARE) in some hospital and kept there and the so called system is a Big problem they do not take the time or care. It is Not the fault of guns or police.” THIS IS THE FAULT OF THE PRIVATIZED HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. PERIOD!!! L.

May 26, 2014 2:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
deerecub1977 wrote:

Didn’t anyone inform dad that newton was a fake false flag?

May 26, 2014 2:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

Commentors have brushed on the stigma of mental illness. That is the Real focus of all these mass murderers. McVeigh used fertilizer to murder 168 and wound 600. Only Bin Laden can top that and he used 737 jets. Our inert government won’t put back the billions they took away from mental healthcare over 30 yrs ago. GOP calls it “entitlement”. Poor parenting is the other cause. Hope the next shooter/bomber gets the fat cats and their lobbyists. In the words of the Tonight Show: More to Come! No doubt there will be more killings, soon.

May 26, 2014 2:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speakerbliss wrote:

You gun nuts forget one thing. Gun owners are a minority. The majority of Americans do not own guns and have no interest in owning guns. If you cannot agree on sensible gun control, we the majority will eventually get fed up and outlaw your guns.

May 26, 2014 2:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PopUp wrote:

You can’t throw fertilizer out a car window and kill people though.

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YoungTurkArmy wrote:

I live in Canada. While we have a tenth of the US population, most are concentrated in major population centers. Long gun permits are easy to obtain; but it is difficult to receive permits for concealed weapons or semi-automatic rifles. We do have minimal gun violence, but nothing like the levels that the US has attained. You could put a Canadian and an American in a room and not be able to notice a whole lot of differences. The prohibitions in Canada, while not abrogating our rights to own arms, seem play a major role in this difference between our societies. Personally, I think that is a sound use of government powers.

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KJackb wrote:

My heart aches wondering what I would say if… But, imo every time this happens we go thru the same stupid process driven by the MEDIA, and followed by the POLITICOS seeking re-election and then the special interests.

As a father of 4 I would want to know who was treating/counseling the alleged killer and did they notify local police if they had a hint that their patient was dangerous? Same goes for the parents. Proper care for their child has to be a priority, right? And then, who follows up a report and are they properly trained to interpret behavior? I hope that they request social media records… and where does another sick kid get a gun?

We have a very serious mental illness problem in America and President Obama, like his predecessors, is not doing anything to give psychologists, doctors, parents, local law enforcement or the perpetrators themselves any options & choices. Obama just talks, and talks and talks… Guns don’t kill people. Bad and mentally ill people kill innocent people and oftentimes they use guns to do so.

May 26, 2014 3:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

No, guns don’t kill people. Guns just make it much easier to kill many people in a short time, with less danger to the gunman.

Maybe this is why most of these cases occur in the US, and most of these nuts arm themselves with guns, not bats or knives.

And maybe this is why in places awash with guns, like Africa and Afghanistan, and the United States, there is a higher rate of firearm deaths than anywhere else.

But then the religious, ignorant, slow-witted and paranoid gun nuts in the US are much closer in their general outlook to the average “freedom-loving” Taliban villager than they realize.

May 26, 2014 5:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

No, guns don’t kill people. Guns just make it much easier to kill many people in a short time, with less danger to the gunman.

Maybe this is why most of these cases occur in the US, and most of these nuts arm themselves with guns, not bats or knives.

And maybe this is why in places awash with guns, like Africa and Afghanistan, and the United States, there is a higher rate of firearm deaths than anywhere else.

But then the religious, ignorant, slow-witted and paranoid gun nuts in the US are much closer in their general outlook to the average “freedom-loving” Taliban villager than they realize.

May 26, 2014 5:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

The choice is either to limit rights of SOME mental patients and institutionalize them without consent, or to limit the constitutional rights of ALL law-abiding citizens under 2nd Amendment. Look at it this way: by limiting gun sales, SOME of the deaths and injuries inflicted by this madman would be prevented. By putting the madman into a mental institution against his wishes, ALL of the deaths and injuries would be prevented. But defending the “rights” of madmen is politically correct, and so is blaming everything on firearm ownership.
Don’t get me wrong. I am a proud firearms owner, and I am all for background checks, including mental and psychological fitness checks, for all prospective firearm owners.

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Randy549 wrote:

@Speakerbliss, hopefully you understand that the US is not a pure democracy; rather, it is a democratic republic. Simple majority rule is not how our system works.

To accomplish what you advocate will require amending the US Constitution, which requires a 2/3 majority vote in both the federal House and Senate, followed by majority votes in 3/4 of the state legislatures of the 50 states. It is hard to accomplish, as it was designed to be by the founders of the republic.

May 26, 2014 7:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

I’d blame people who make sicko psycho movies that glorify killing and desensitize people to images of people being killed. Sames applies to the makers of killer video games. He was only doing what he was educated to do.

May 26, 2014 7:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hallsway wrote:

40-50% of American households have guns. I haven’t seen any really bad shootouts at the local OK corral recently. Must be because of all of the permitting and background checks that are in place. Or it could be that virtually all gun owners are responsible people who have the weapons for their protection.

Obviously, we can’t call anyone crazy anymore. That wouldn’t be politically correct. The are socially and mentally challenged and need to have our understanding and sympathy, but certainly not any action that might undermine their self-esteem. The government decided long ago that dangerous, mentally unstable individuals could no longer be warehoused in government-run mental warehouses, so now they go to the ER when they become delusional and might be held for a few days.

If the parents and police are unable to circumvent the PC police and get someone committed, then the nutjobs will be able to do what any criminal can do: go out on the streets and buy a firearm without question as long as they have enough cash. All the enhanced restrictions on responsible people will have no impact on sociopaths. That’s why the DOJ is circumventing the 2nd amendment in Operation Choke Point. They prevent banks from allowing gun dealers to have checking accounts or process credit cards. The gun dealers haven’t done anything illegal; the DOJ is just performing one more unconstitutional service for those who have been offended by Constitutional rights.

Do your own Bing search.

May 26, 2014 8:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EastBerlin wrote:

Stupid guy, has nice BMW, has no social or coping skills. His parent are to blame for putting this piece of scum into society.

May 26, 2014 9:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DavidRosen wrote:

YoungTurkArmy wrote:

YoungTurkArmy wrote:
“I live in Canada. While we have a tenth of the US population, most are concentrated in major population centers. Long gun permits are easy to obtain; but it is difficult to receive permits for concealed weapons or semi-automatic rifles. We do have minimal gun violence, but nothing like the levels that the US has attained”

Uhm Canada has a higher per capita rate of non criminal gun murder victims than the US.

If you are not a drug dealer, gang member or felon you are much safer and at LOWER risk for murder in the US than in canada.

Multiple studies have show about 90% of US murder victims are gang embers career criminals. In canada less than 30% are

Canada disarmed the good guys and a higher portion of them get killed in Canada now
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-31-criminal-target_N.htm

May 26, 2014 9:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DavidRosen wrote:

YoungTurkArmy wrote:

YoungTurkArmy wrote:
“I live in Canada. While we have a tenth of the US population, most are concentrated in major population centers. Long gun permits are easy to obtain; but it is difficult to receive permits for concealed weapons or semi-automatic rifles. We do have minimal gun violence, but nothing like the levels that the US has attained”

Uhm Canada has a higher per capita rate of non criminal gun murder victims than the US.

If you are not a drug dealer, gang member or felon you are much safer and at LOWER risk for murder in the US than in canada.

Multiple studies have show about 90% of US murder victims are gang embers career criminals. In canada less than 30% are

Canada disarmed the good guys and a higher portion of them get killed in Canada now
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-31-criminal-target_N.htm

May 26, 2014 9:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YoungTurkArmy wrote:

Ummm, Canadians had to register their guns. that was the extent of the controls. I did live in the US for my first 24 years and had a gun drawn on me twice. In the following 44 years in Canada, this has never happened, in spite of living in Toronto, Vancouver, Whitehorse, and Victoria–all cities, as far as I can tell.

May 26, 2014 11:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YoungTurkArmy wrote:

In fact, the only person from here who I know has died was killed after moving to Florida. Must be an unfortunate coincidence.

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WildBillWB wrote:

44 years? 1970, 24 years old. Doing a little draft dodging were we? If you weren’t man enough to fight for your country be kind enough not to attack it’s constitution you didn’t defend from your new country, coward. You have forfeited your right to have a say in our laws.

May 27, 2014 1:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

@WildBillWB:

Dude, speaking of The Constitution (BTW, learn to speak English: it’s not “it’s constitution”), you are a little too quick to jump to conclusions and strip someone you don’t know anything about of their civil rights?!!

Yep, the same Constitution that talks about “well regulated Militia,” of which I doubt you are currently an active member, WildBillWB.

Cheers.

May 27, 2014 4:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse

My prayers and sympathies never seem to even make a dent when someone loses a loved one. Let alone when someone chooses to take those innocent lives.

The weapons he chose to use as tools, to snuff out the life of innocent people. did not become possessed and animate themselves into murderous action.

The mentally disturbed person – planned to murder – and he used anything he could get his hands on to slaughter innocents.

Common factors in each of these senseless murderous sprees appear to be mental illness, loneliness, parental issues, Democratic household, and no appreciation for human life in the household that are clearly expressed in our Christian history as a country & people. If he chose a bow and arrow – would people be screaming at Hollywood to stop producing Hunger Games and profiting off watching children killing children?

I am not callous, quite the opposite. But this father blames the NRA because a nutcase stabbed and shot people. A nutcase that people worried and warned others about , but stood by and did nothing about it. When the media endangers lives with their free speech, do we condemn to restrict the First Amendment?

And these LEGALLY purchased guns in CALIFORNIA ? ? ? The Son was on mental illness medication. Who bought them? And if the family was so distraught over his behavior that police had to do a welfare check on their son, why did he have access to any weapons?

May 27, 2014 11:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
dhiggins63 wrote:

Has it occurred to this father, that if his son had a gun he might still be alive.. His son was the last UN-Armed victim to be killed

May 27, 2014 11:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
dhiggins63 wrote:

Mass shootings happen all the time.. So instead of blaming the government, maybe you should blame yourself, for NOT teaching your son to be prepared to defend himself against such eventuality..

May 27, 2014 11:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kksreuters wrote:

Suppose everyone had guns, as many are suggesting. What is the expected outcome, as some gun wielding Patriots would like ? People shooting one another. Good guys Vs Bad. Do you think, there won’t be collateral damage in a mass shootout. Civilized societies don’t need guns, unless we are planning on a return to the Wild West days.

May 27, 2014 6:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

@dhiggins63:

Mass shooting happen all the time in war-torn nations in Africa and in parts of Asia. Oh, and in the good ole US of A.

And what is this nonsense about “teaching your son to be prepared to defend himself?” Against what? Zombies and aliens?

And what is this Rambo-like fantasy drivel? The shooter was moving and shooting rapidly, there was likely no time for the victims to even determine what was happening. Knowing your type, in the real world, by the time the 300 lbs of blubber stopped shaking so that you can find your gun in the folds, the killer would have come and gone.

Also, I don’t know where you live, but in Santa Barbara there is rather little crime and no rednecks packing guns.

If guns were regulated in the US, as they are in all civilized countries, we would a lot fewer such “eventualities.” They can be regulated and within a few years the problem can be solved, if there is political will. It will reduce gun violence in Mexico and Canada, too.

May 27, 2014 8:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
markavelli69 wrote:

Give me a break. These types will always find a gun…always.

May 27, 2014 10:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CountryPride wrote:

Let me tell you about this giant killer that roams our neighborhoods and streets everyday. It weighs 2000lbs and is made of metal, it can travel many times the speed of a running human or many animals for that matter. This beast is constantly maiming and killing. Even killing 34,080 in 2012 alone, it is still wandering our streets! Where is the government to save us from this monster? It is genocide against Americans. What is this terrible beast? It is a car and needs to be banned completely from American roadways because of the death and danger it brings. Please corrupt Feds! Save US!

May 27, 2014 12:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ralphooo wrote:

“Have you ever tried to kill 10 people in public with a frying pan?”

To be honest, not recently. Actually my problem is the “in public” part. It would be terribly embarrassing to be seen trying to kill even one person with a frying pan. So awkward, you know? In the privacy of my home, at least no one would diss me. But then I have to invite (or maybe kidnap) ten people!

Sorry, I’ve decided not to do this after all.

May 27, 2014 12:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bobo9 wrote:

I happen to believe we do need a higher level of gun control in this country, however I don’t see at all how that could have prevented this mess.
This guy got his guns legally, then went nuts & gunned downed innocent people.
We’re never going to stop that kind of thing unless we implement marshall law & have the military go door to door tearing houses apart to steal guns away from citizens.
Better lay low on that else Obama & his team will actually try to do that.

May 28, 2014 8:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pwilliams4743 wrote:

Wait a minute, didn’t the police have contact with this guy days before he did this? Weren’t they warned? Didn’t a psychiatrist warn authorities before this happened? Yet we are to blame guns for the lack of action by those who could have intervened? How about the knife he used to kill half of those who perished? Are we forgetting that? Maybe we should put more focus on mental health services in this country.

May 28, 2014 9:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bighammerman wrote:

This man has been hurt beyond anything conceivable. I don’t blame him for his feelings and wish I could bring back his son.

I do want to have the capability to defend myself and family against those who would do us harm.

May 28, 2014 11:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bighammerman wrote:

This man has been hurt beyond anything conceivable. I don’t blame him for his feelings and wish I could bring back his son.

I do want to have the capability to defend myself and family against those who would do us harm.

May 28, 2014 11:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
earnst wrote:

It’s not the government’s job to watch out for you. Expecting them to, and giving them ever more of your freedom will find you safe and secure in a communist hell. Sorry you lost your son but a lot of us will be lost if they try to take our guns. Americans have an obligation to defend the constitution.

May 29, 2014 10:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DanaAdude101 wrote:

This is a horrible event to have happen,
and the loss of the loved ones, leaves their families with shatters hearts that leave deep long lasting scars,

But it is also true that Legislation to extend background checks for gun sales, ban assault weapons and limit magazines’ capacities will not change anything.
Unfortunately, Only the Law Abiding citizens pay attention to Laws, and unfortunately the Law abiding citizens are the victims most of the time.

Doing so would only embolden the criminal and create more law abiding victims.

May 29, 2014 6:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Vijayalakshmi wrote:

I fully agree with the views expressed by the aggrieved,bereaved parent, Mr.Martinez. How can these politicians be so insensitive and irresponsible?

May 29, 2014 7:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LoveJoyOne wrote:

Hallsway wrote:

“Tell that to these homeowners in Detroit: “Detroit Homeowners Have Fatally Shot 7 Intruders In Past 7 Weeks.” Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/detroit-homeowner-shooting-intruder_n_5128271.html”

Yikes. That’s precisely why we need gun control. Vigilantes! Who needs police, courts and laws when you can just shoot to kill because someone on your property or because you feel “threatened”.

America is a sick country. I’m afraid it’s terminal.

May 29, 2014 12:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MetalGod1964 wrote:

Richard Martinez should not advertise publicly that anyone breaking into his home will not be met with deadly force.

Jun 01, 2014 10:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lysergic wrote:

IF YOU SECOND AMENDMENT FREAKS HAVE YOUR WAY IT WILL BE OKAY TO BRING A GUN TO CHURCH. OH, IT ALREADY IS. NICE

Jun 01, 2014 6:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lysergic wrote:

WHY DO ALL COUNTRIES WITH STRICT GUN CONTROL HAVE ALMOST NO HOMICIDES? IF YOUR CRAZY ARGUMENT WAS TRUE WOULDN’T THEY JUST GET KILLED WITH A HAMMER? WELL, IT’S NOT HAPPENING. YOU KNOW WHY, BECAUSE IT’S THE GUNS, YOU MORONS, IT’S THE GUNS.

Jun 01, 2014 6:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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