East Ukraine city largely calm after battle, rebels seek Russian help

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Anonarchist wrote:

Russian terrorists holding an entire section of a neighboring country hostage. summarily execute them for the crimes we know of, give them an extra bullet to the head for the crimes suspected. Putin is a war criminal.

May 28, 2014 8:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
leesik wrote:

Putin has set russia back at least 100 years – he mastered lenin’s phrase – “one step forward, two steps backwards”. His alliance with the orthodox taliban and the surkov/kisiylov propaganda machine makes the locals feel like real winners – ya right – good luck!

May 28, 2014 8:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

The Kiev government is illegitimate and led by “fascists” with 5 Svoboda party members in it. They are 3 ministers including Vice Prime Minister. Then there is Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council. And finally Prosecutor General. The current leader of the Svoboda party is Oleh Tyahnybok. In 2004 he called for Ukrainians to fight against Jews, Russians and Germans. These comments were widely circulated.

May 28, 2014 9:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

I would expect continued SANCTIONS on Russia,
until they withdraw their anti-democratic provocateurs from eastern Ukraine,
withdraw from Crimea and open and
make fair their oil and gas markets to their neighbors.
Putin has led them down the same rathole that Saddam Hussein and Bashar al-Assad led their people.
Russia WAKE-UP.

May 28, 2014 9:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DominicPaz wrote:

@lub – you clearly have no idea what a fascist is. It’s just a catchy boogy-man phrase mental midgets use when they have no argument these days.

May 28, 2014 10:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
marsoptica wrote:

Putin will pay for gearing up Russia as a pro military nation and for installing cronyism in its government against the guidelines set down by the IMF and the west in receiving financial support after the soviet collapse 1991.

PUTIN ONLY HAS ONE PLAN AND THAT IS FAILURE ONCE MORE FOR RUSSIA.

Russia should of installed true democracy in its nation after the failure of communism and Putin is fighting an information war with his own suppressed people every day, even in Moscow bringing out new laws on an hourly basis, over two hundred lately and is even considering annexing the global internet from Russian citizens in favour of a Chinese fascist system of Internet policing.

The many demonstrations in ex soviet nations like Ukraine and
Abkhazia are only the start of the collapse of Putins Mafia rule and he seeks typically creating a false image of a western cold war
to deflect internal decent from his imagined “happy nation” of
emerging provocative and physical resistance.

Putin has to have total control like any fascist system to pay for all the military and financial power that has to stay in Ex soviet
and ex KGB criminal networks domains to ensure it can defeat his
own people and emerging political parties in the event of another governmental and economic collapse.

PUTIN ONLY HAS ONE PLAN AND THAT IS FAILURE ONCE MORE FOR RUSSIA.

May 28, 2014 10:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mils54 wrote:

Again, You want to be part of Russia, MOVE to Russia!, Are these people stupid?, I find that hard to believe, So the only other plausible reason for this continued battle is that Russia want’s Ukraine under it’s control and NATO at a safe distance. Not good for the Ukrainians!.

May 28, 2014 11:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

If you are pro-Russian and unhappy in Ukraine, move to Russia. It’s 20 km away and has plenty of room. Is Putin keeping you guys out?

May 28, 2014 12:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mind_emergent wrote:

The Russian speakers in East Ukraine are more numerous and widespread than a mere band of provocateurs. The loyalty of several million people swings in the balance, and Poroshenko, by sending in the Ukrainian military, is “shooting first and asking questions later”, which will further alienate the Russian speakers.

Poroshenko should: a) forget about getting military help from USA and NATO, b) negotiate with Putin and strike a deal over Crimea – trade Crimea for Russian gas and non-interference in Ukraine, c) talk to Russophile separatist leaders, and demand a referendum be held with a clear question (a constitutional offer) that settles peoples’ loyalty, that is supervised by a disinterested impartial international team. Separatist Russian speakers ought to be free to leave Ukraine, but on condition that they relocate to areas adjacent to the Russian border in a land trade (property of equal value) with those who wish to remain with Ukraine. There is no point creating Russian speaking exclaves inside Ukrainian borders.

After creating conditions for peace inside and with neighbours, Ukraine (perhaps reduced) could then be free to join the EU, NATO, etc. as they please.

May 28, 2014 1:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@DominicPaz wrote:

@lub – you clearly have no idea what a fascist is. It’s just a catchy boogy-man phrase mental midgets use when they have no argument these days.

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Exactly, propaganda that feeble minds feed to the gullible.

May 28, 2014 1:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@mils54 wrote: “Again, You want to be part of Russia, MOVE to Russia!, Are these people stupid?…NATO at a safe distance”

@AlkalineState wrote: “If you are pro-Russian and unhappy in Ukraine, move to Russia. It’s 20 km away and has plenty of room. Is Putin keeping you guys out?”

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Really, what is that? A 1/2 hour drive, a 4 or 5 hour walk. Maybe they’re too lazy to move and that’s why they want Russia move to them. As to NATO, Estonia and Latvia already border Russia.

May 28, 2014 1:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

From article,”Russia’s Foreign Ministry urged Kiev to let it send humanitarian aid to civilians trapped by the fighting in eastern Ukraine.”

Russian speak for weapons and soldiers. Sounds like, “Please invite us into your country so we can invade you at your request and keep part of if!”

May 28, 2014 1:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

Yesterday, Kiev’s troops captured the Donetsk airport. Today, Kiev should be sending Antonov transports with more troops and supplies. This gives time for negotiations, but neither side appears ready to compromise. 50 dead is a small loss compared to Syria or Iraq. After the attack begins to recapture the city the losses will rise, and the appeal of negotiations will increase.

However, the 50% higher gas bills, 40% higher electricity bills, higher business prices, higher taxes, and frozen wages will make Ukrainians unhappy. This will be greatly worsened by the 44.6% drop in the value of the Hryvnia, Ukraine’s currency, so people with frozen wages, rising prices, and less valuable money may decide to overthrow their government like they did a few months ago. It will be a race to see whether the Kiev government reunites the country before it is overthrown.

May 28, 2014 2:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tolan wrote:

Victoria Fck UE is happy. She succeeded transforming Ukraine into new Syria -

May 28, 2014 3:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

@carlmartel:
“Yesterday, Kiev’s troops captured the Donetsk airport.” Donetsk resources deny it. And, judging by the fact that the shooting continues, I would rather believe the rebels.
“Today, Kiev should be sending Antonov transports with more troops and supplies” They would, if they could. But if I were one of the troops ordered aboard a Ukrainian Antonov plane, I would desert at all costs. For many years, the funds earmarked for defense were stolen by ruling mafias in Kiev. The only airworthy Antonovs, as few as there remains, are abroad, trying to make a few bucks here and there hauling commercial cargo.
“It will be a race to see whether the Kiev government reunites the country before it is overthrown.” – right. There soon will be Maidan v.2.x, or maybe 3.x – I am a bit at a loss counting Maidan’s versions; they just keep jumping ;-)

May 28, 2014 4:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
yurakm wrote:

So far there were 3 “Maidans”: 2000/2001, 2004, 2013/2014. Though the first one was held in Shevchenko park.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_without_Kuchma

May 28, 2014 5:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
igorbobr wrote:

Rather than whining for Russia’s help, the self-proclaimed naked Emperor of Donetsk (Pushilin the First – and Last), should round up his gang of fellow under-employed malcontents and take a short bus-ride to Voronezh, Kursk or Rostov in Russia, where I’m sure that Vladimir Putin will allow them to establish their own Republic, organize daily referendums and run around the neighboring cities and towns frightening babushkas, children and chickens. I’m sure that the Ukrainian government and people would gladly provide bus fares and suitcases for those who need them .

Also, as someone of Cossack/Chernomore-Kuban blood and heritage (which – by the way, is ethnically Ukrainian), I’d really appreciate it if the gangs of ,”razheniye-kizyaks” currently running around SEUkraine also return to whatever delusional planets they came from: where they can go back to giving one another chest-fulls of tin-can medals and grand titles, and dream of being boot-licks for some long-dead czars in a,”once-upon-a-time” and truly Magic Kingdom in their minds.

How funny it might be – if it weren’t at once both so tragic and pathetic.

May 28, 2014 5:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DanaAdude101 wrote:

East Ukraine city largely calm after battle, rebels seek Russian help?

Yeah they will help you, move back to Russia if you do not like where you are at.
simple huh?

May 28, 2014 5:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DanaAdude101 wrote:

lub wrote:

The Kiev government is illegitimate and led by “fascists” with 5 Svoboda party members in it.
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Horse Pucky,
more legit that the Presidential, Russian Puppet that sold out the Ukrainian people to a point where they became so fed up with getting shafted, they kicked his sorry arse to the curb.
And you are upset because the BS was cut off.
That makes you an ignorant puppet too.

May 28, 2014 5:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DanaAdude101 wrote:

igorbobr wrote: LOL Yep
Its totally funny if they tried that same freedom ploy in Russia they would be slung up by their fuzzy bean bags :)what the hell are they thinking :)

Rather than whining for Russia’s help, the self-proclaimed naked Emperor of Donetsk (Pushilin the First – and Last), should round up his gang of fellow under-employed malcontents and take a short bus-ride to Voronezh, Kursk or Rostov in Russia, where I’m sure that Vladimir Putin will allow them to establish their own Republic, organize daily referendums and run around the neighboring cities and towns

May 28, 2014 5:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

@Nagant

I would agree except that the shooting is coming from the south of the city, and the airport is north of the city. It makes good sense to make diversionary attacks in the south while bringing in troops on the north side. I pointed out yesterday that Ukraine refurbished Antonov aircraft in 2010 for India’s campaign against Naxalite or Maoist rebels in 2011, and the air force seems to work better than Ukraine’s other branches of service. The helicopter gunship’s destruction of a military vehicle yesterday proved that as I pointed out. However, we will know more by Thursday or Friday if an airlift is in progress.

May 28, 2014 6:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
prospektor wrote:

So, “the landslide election”, “after Ukrainians overwhelmingly elected Petro Poroshenko” – debatable. Reminder: he was elected with 54% at a 60% turnout, meaning he has roughly 30% of eligible voters behind him.

Now look at Egypt, where Reuters reports Sisi to have won 90% at 44% turnout, which puts him at roughly 40% of the eligible voters. More than Poroshenko, yet here it reads: “a lower than expected turnout figure raised questions about Sisi’s credibility”, “may not have the popular mandate” and “he had failed to rally the overwhelming support”.

Of course those are written by different people, but such vastly different interpretations show a bit too much personal involvement IMO. The truth is in the middle, in MY opinion. Considering that Poroshenko didn’t have any real opponent (especially since the “eastern” candidates have been arrested or beaten up until they withdrew), it’s a rather mediocre outcome. Same goes for Sisi, especially in light of the turnout of the EU parliamentary election, which was even less than in Egypt (with much more opposition to the EU itself).

I guess my point is that I would prefer the correspondents to take a deep breath, step away from their personal views and try to give unbiased information that stands up to comparison. The less adjectives, the better.

May 28, 2014 6:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
nvgg wrote:

Putin, where are you?
Fascists are killing innocent Russian people

May 28, 2014 6:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

Regards anti-Putin propaganda:

The anti-Putin stuff is mostly millions of unsupported claims, passed on endlessly by the gullible and easily led, not thinking much for themselves. (It’s easier to get along that way. Honesty? Who cares?)

We see Nuland, Kerry, Brennan, McCain, Biden, even Biden Jr. over there. We see Nuland picking the Kiev bosses, like she has bought them all, and probably has. We see Yats visiting the Emperor Obama in DC. We see $5 Billion unaccounted US taxpayers dollars going over there. We see Nuland married to chief neocon Robert Kagan, Council on Foreign Relations. Who do you see amongst Russians, beyond a bunch of claimed Russian encounters by Yats et al?

The louder the propagandists talk, the hollower they sound.

After Sochi Olympics, I knew our country was going crazy.

May 28, 2014 7:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Butch_from_PA wrote:

This high stakes game of Risk between Russia and the USA needs to move to a calming phase without the emotional saving face.

Putin is very crafty and I bet he will pull out the troops and focus on Crimea being recognized as Russian legitimately so the sanctions end.

If Putin’s emotional side take hold – we definitely are looking at Syria on steroids.

May 28, 2014 7:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@mils54 wrote: “Again, You want to be part of Russia, MOVE to Russia!, Are these people stupid?…NATO at a safe distance”

@AlkalineState wrote: “If you are pro-Russian and unhappy in Ukraine, move to Russia. It’s 20 km away and has plenty of room. Is Putin keeping you guys out?”

@Reality2Day wrote: Really, what is that? A 1/2 hour drive, a 4 or 5 hour walk. Maybe they’re too lazy to move and that’s why they want Russia move to them. As to NATO, Estonia and Latvia already border Russia.

Childish, immature and silly comments. Albania was not much further from Kosovo either, but somehow the idea of Kosovo Albanians leaving Serbia and going back there was not considered appropriate by most.
If millions who live in East Ukraine want particular self determination – so be it! It has been up to the Kiev government to properly negotiate with these people, and so far as I can see the government has failed miserably. Instead, it engaged in a campaign of killing its own citizens. How sad…

As for the brilliant idea that some have, that couple of hundreds, or even thousands of Russian mercenaries can keep hostages a million of miners from Donezk and Luhansk – that is more than far fetched. That is ridiculous. Learn the history. Try reading Gogol. Sholokhov. Try memoirs of Nestor Makhno. Learn about these people, who they are, who they have been. Thinking that they can be easily cowed by few Russian provocateurs is plain laughable.

May 28, 2014 8:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@DominicPoz :

Do you think you have an idea who Nazi is? Neo-Nazi? Nazi apologist?
If so, and, additionally, you are capable of reading and logical thinking, then I recommend reading Stephane Bandera’s Instructions on how to organize Ukrainian National State, and trying to argue that he is not a Nazi. You would probably have hard time doing that, looking at the great performance of Bandera’s Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists and its military wing, lead by his henchman Lebed’, in implementing these instructions in Volhynia and Galicia in 1943?
Have they already removed that huge portrait of Bandera from the Kiev city hall occupied by “maidan”?
What about 15+ monuments to our glorious Stephane across West Ukraine?
Those continuing Bandera’s glorious cause and carrying on his great ideas are not neo-Nazis, right?
And those who find excuses for doing so are not Nazi apologists, of course?

May 28, 2014 9:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

BraveNewWrld, how about speak in specifics instead? If you have documented violations from those in western Ukraine, state them clearly instead of fear-mongering.

In an event, rarely are such issues black and white, considering the state of Ukraine at the time of WW2. I also notice you left out the rise of Stalinism in Russia, in part due to measures passed by Putin. I suppose that would mean you are trying to whitewash Putin as some sort of good guy, when the exact opposite is true.

May 29, 2014 10:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

marsoptica wrote:
“PUTIN ONLY HAS ONE PLAN AND THAT IS FAILURE ONCE MORE FOR RUSSIA.”
Actually Putin’s plan is more like grab and hold on to as much power as he can for himself for as long as possible. If doing that runs Russia into the ground and creates misery for Russians, so be it. He doesn’t care either way. He’ll be dead in 10-20 years – somebody else will be stuck with the mess.

Nagant wrote:
@carlmartel:
“’Yesterday, Kiev’s troops captured the Donetsk airport.’ Donetsk resources deny it. … I would rather believe the rebels.”
I’m sure you would. If the “rebels” say they still control the airport, it must be true. Everyone opposed to Putin is a liar.

nvgg wrote:
“Putin, where are you?
Fascists are killing innocent Russian people”
Putin the Russian fascist is paying and arming mercenaires to kill Ukrainians, including the Russian-speaking ones. Are you gullible enough to believe he cares who gets hurt?

xcanada2 wrote:
“The anti-Putin stuff is mostly millions of unsupported claims…
We see Nuland, Kerry, Brennan, McCain, Biden, even Biden Jr. over there.”
Sure, these people are involved. Nobody denies it – even they don’t. So I suppose the truckloads of terrorists and weapons being shipped into Ukraine by the Putin regime is “millions of unsupported claims”? Or is this irrelevant? Even the terrorist leaders are supporting these claims. Are they lying too? Is Putin the only person on this planet we should trust? He and his mouthpieces are the only ones denying it. A truckload of dead Russian terrorists is being shipped back to the Motherland, with the blessing of the Ukrainian authorities. Is that also an “unsupported claim”? The nonsense some people will utter to trash Western countries and whitewash Putin is amazing!…

BraveNewWrld wrote:
“If millions who live in East Ukraine want particular self determination – so be it!”
If this were true, I would support it. But they’re a few thousand at most, a large number of which aren’t even Ukrainian. And they’re terrorizing the remaining citizens of Eastern Ukraine with Kremlin-supplied weapons. That’s not my idea of “self-determination”. If these “separatists” have so much popular support, why did they choose to prevent people from voting, at gunpoint?

“As for the brilliant idea that some have, that couple of hundreds, or even thousands of Russian mercenaries can keep hostages a million of miners from Donezk and Luhansk”
It works marvelously well in Chechnya – why wouldn’t it work just as well in parts of Ukraine? Where did you get this “million miners” number from? And maybe the thousands of troops sitting on the border ready to invade had something to do with it too? Though now that Putin has finally decided to start pulling them back for real (he must have lied the other times – strange coming from Putin), it looks like he’s finally realizing his plan won’t work. So now he’s going to let the Ukrainian government slaughter his pawns. Why clean up your own mess when you can let your enemies do it for you, and risk getting killed in the process?

May 31, 2014 6:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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