NSA, Snowden clash over 2013 internal email release

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Obscur wrote:

The NSA and the senate oversight committee are the criminals in this matter and they hold all the cards. They edit the evidence and then present that to the media as legitimate evidence. They then have the media circulate their propaganda to the public. What is scary about this is the media believes them, then they convince the ignoramus among us that the NSA has submitted evidence to support their lies. Anything that passes the lips of any government representative on this matter is either phony or concocted for public consumption. The government in this country is no better than what China offers except the US government is better at propaganda than any other country worldwide.

May 29, 2014 9:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
trisailer wrote:

Several high level NSA and Justice Department officials had problems with the Constitutionality of what NSA was doing and they were in fact destroyed. I imagine many others were quietly escorted out before their concerns saw the light of day.

Some of these high level people did follow protocol and were threatened with career destruction. A few went to the press and even the NYT’s was threatened by the Bush White House to the extent that the NYT’s sat on the article for over a year. PBS’s Frontline did a story on that history.

This is a conversation the world needs to have and Snowden made that possible. The question is what do we do about it.

May 29, 2014 9:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Limey wrote:

Who should we believe, the guy that is trying to keep us unformed of the truth or the intelligence organization that tries desperately to conceal their illegal activities and surveillance of innocent peace loving American citizens that will go to any lengths to prevent us from ever getting to the truth?

May 29, 2014 9:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PaulBradley wrote:

@Obscur

Mr. Snowden PLANNED ahead with his ‘exposing’ NSA’s activities as illegal. O.K. Now, if you would plan like him, wouldn’t you save and produce as evidence ALL of the Snowden/NSA emails and publish them in order to gain credibility as well as to show that NSA is lying??? He saved vast amount of documents, yet, he doesn’t have any of his own files of communications . . . ??

I think Mr. Snowden is lying more than the NSA . . .

May 29, 2014 10:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DavidPun wrote:

Yes, of course. Snowden should have gone to his boss before doing anything. I can just imagine that conversation.

May 29, 2014 10:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mb56 wrote:

It is difficult for me to take anything the NSA states as face value anymore. They have been caught red-handed lying to the Secret Court, Congress, and the American people. IMHO, what little credibility they used to have is completely shot now.

May 29, 2014 10:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
edgyinchina wrote:

‘We have searched for additional indications of outreach from him in those areas and to date have not discovered any engagements related to his claims,’…. That’s because everyone else is afraid to admit the truth, perhaps…. That this out of control agency is destroying the 1st Amendment, just like it destroyed the 6th and the 4th… Through intimidation…
However… It’s hard to know who is telling the truth. Both the government and the media are known and proven liars, and certainly the NSA lies, from the top (Clapper) right on down…
And it’s really strange that a company the size of Reuters can’t get their comment software interface to work properly. Hey Reuters.. if you need to hire some good American Engineers to fix it, I can name you several, who lost their jobs when you hire those little Indian boys….

May 29, 2014 10:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mikedunn248 wrote:

I believe that Mr. Snowden has done us all a favor by standing up to something so big that no one else would have made any changes in the way the NSA collects data,they now admittedly are changing things that would have never been touched if Mr. Snowden didn’t make waves. Just show me a creditable threat that has come out of his release of this information that is any worse than what takes place in Washington on a daily basis. How is this any worse than than President George Bush sign off the liability of companies fracturing for natural gas that have damaged the environment for thousands humans and animals that are suffering in the name of making money. This is looking like tobacco or asbestos we need Erin Brockovich now.

Thank you Mr. Snowden at least someone has the guts to do the dirty work.

May 29, 2014 10:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

The government statements are turning out to be open lies in the face of truth in the data. As they keep pushing this further, greater part of the people will start losing faith in its credible function.

May 29, 2014 12:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JoeSchmoe123 wrote:

It’s pretty obvious when some of the 700,000 contractors want to keep their jobs and accuse Snowden of a lot less than Clapper lying to Congress. Lying to Congress!
A kid stealing a candy bar gets in more trouble than Clapper lying to Congress! How about that.

May 29, 2014 12:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AZWarrior wrote:

Not sure whois lieing, but I can say the Mr. Snowden has never to my knowledge lied to me, while this Government has lie to me almost at every turn. Looks bad for the Government.

May 30, 2014 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
REnninga wrote:

I sure wish I could acquire the tin-foil-helmet concession to supply you bunch of paranoid, delusional goofballs and whack-a-doodles in this discussion thread!

Your comments, lauding Snowden, reflecting your reverence for this treasonous narcissist with a messiah complex, would be funny if they weren’t so pathetic.

Well, if you all hate and distrust the government of the United States so much I’m sure you can choose as Snowden did and fly off to live in one of the great bastions of freedom and democracy that he sought out: the People’s Republic of China, Vladimir Putin’s autocratic Russia, Venezuela, Cuba? Take your pick.

May 30, 2014 3:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

@REnninga, you are delusional if you believe the US is a bastion of freedom and democracy. It was closer to it before “hanging chads” in Florida saw the demise of what was a very tarnished beacon of democracy. It’s completely blackened now. It’s time you woke up.

May 30, 2014 9:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SaveRMiddle wrote:

“There are numerous avenues that Mr. Snowden could have used to raise other concerns or whistleblower allegations.”

Government spear campaign. There was only ONE avenue.

Thank You, Dissident Snowden for your sacrifice which was sadly, the ONLY path available.

May 30, 2014 10:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gentalman wrote:

I wonder how Obama who is well red man of Amrican constitution and who is a lawyer by himself, can allow NSA such freedom>

May 30, 2014 10:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

The statement concerning tin foil headware begs the question; What gauge tinfoil is optimum for this issue ?
I would like to maintain a level of signal attenuation while reducing the noise clutter associated with Whitehouse press releases, and individual agency misdirections.

Those of us not familiar with tinfoil attire would have missed James Clapper deliberately lying to congress concerning the capture of private conversation of American citizens.

It may be I have the hat turned inside out and; Is it the shiny side outward, or the dull side outward ?
It may be the truth is being filtered out and it isn’t actually treason to lie to the congress and the American people concerning the status of your authority and related operations.

May 30, 2014 10:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pafaye wrote:

Unbelievable. Of course, we all have a David and Goliath mentality. Mr. Snowden, bring down that Giant! At the same time, with everyone circling the wagons, it’s difficult to buck the government at the expense of what havoc they can bestow on anyone, any company. We all have obligations, the biggest to earn a salary to feed our families. I will say this, “The quality of lies that are coming off the lips of government officials is atrocious.” If you are going to lie to me could you at least have it sound somewhat feasible?” Who are writing these answers, true or otherwise? Talk about amateurish. Read all these comments from people who care enough to type out their feelings. One would think that Snowden has a real future as a potential Presidential candidate. More and more people seem to be siding with him. Very curious how this will all play out.

May 30, 2014 11:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pafaye wrote:

Unbelievable. Of course, we all have a David and Goliath mentality. Mr. Snowden, bring down that Giant! At the same time, with everyone circling the wagons, it’s difficult to buck the government at the expense of what havoc they can bestow on anyone, any company. We all have obligations, the biggest to earn a salary to feed our families. I will say this, “The quality of lies that are coming off the lips of government officials is atrocious.” If you are going to lie to me could you at least have it sound somewhat feasible?” Who are writing these answers, true or otherwise? Talk about amateurish. Read all these comments from people who care enough to type out their feelings. One would think that Snowden has a real future as a potential Presidential candidate. More and more people seem to be siding with him. Very curious how this will all play out.

May 30, 2014 11:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pafaye wrote:

Unbelievable. Of course, we all have a David and Goliath mentality. Mr. Snowden, bring down that Giant! At the same time, with everyone circling the wagons, it’s difficult to buck the government at the expense of what havoc they can bestow on anyone, any company. We all have obligations, the biggest to earn a salary to feed our families. I will say this, “The quality of lies that are coming off the lips of government officials is atrocious.” If you are going to lie to me could you at least have it sound somewhat feasible?” Who are writing these answers, true or otherwise? Talk about amateurish. Read all these comments from people who care enough to type out their feelings. One would think that Snowden has a real future as a potential Presidential candidate. More and more people seem to be siding with him. Very curious how this will all play out.

May 30, 2014 11:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@ REnninga wrote:

I sure wish I could acquire the tin-foil-helmet concession……… this treasonous narcissist with a messiah complex………. live in one of the great bastions of freedom and democracy that he sought out: the People’s Republic of China, Vladimir Putin’s autocratic Russia, Venezuela, Cuba?

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GREAT POST, I agree totally!!! Revealing that his country was spying on foreign leaders, countries and businesses is NOT patriotic. NBC should have pressed this in their interview with Snowed-them, so the US people could look at the entire picture, not just the ‘domestic aspect’ of the revelations (betrayals). I’m not even American and I get it. Then to top it off, he says, “I was trained as a spy.” while he’s trapped in Russia. As if that isn’t a red flag, or at least an invitation to Putin’s FSB to extract every little bit of knowledge he contains. Open your eyes people of America, he is NO HERO, just a TRAITOR.

I hope Komrade Snowden gets a discount on Russian Vodka, so he can soak his sorrows because he’ll never set foot in his home country ever again unless he plans on a LONG vacation in an American Gulag!

May 30, 2014 12:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yvo_Kerwar wrote:

President Bush lied when he told us the NSA program wasn’t being used to spy on Americans. President Obama lied when he told us nobody was reading our emails or listening to our phone conversations. James Clapper lied to us and Congress when he denied the NSA was collecting bulk data. So who are you going to believe…..whistleblower Edward Snowden or our lying government?

May 30, 2014 1:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BaiJiuUSA wrote:

In 1990, i was 13 years old. I remembering having conversations with my parents regarding personal files/permanent records/credit card/phone bills/bank statements/etc… my parents told me that i need to believe that our government knows exactly what we’ve been doing. Where our money is spent. Who we talk to. the food we eat. everything.

Why is it such a news flash, that our government is watching us? they’ve been doing it for decades. if you think you live in a completely free country you are an idiot.

To me Mr. Snowden, who is probably very intelligent, was blind to the crap happening right infront of himself for his entire life. when he discovered what was going on…he felt betrayed by the USA, but he knew he wasn’t the first person. And this made him feel stupid, because how could he not know this type of surveillance was occurring.

Remember…his job, and he has said it himself now…his job was a low level analyst, trained like a spy. You do not get that kind of job without knowing about ‘surveillance’.

what Mr. snowman did was commit treason. plain and simple. he better stay in russia because the weather never gets too warm.

May 30, 2014 1:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sdguero wrote:

Why did Snowden’s managers need to be told that what the NSA is STILL CURRENTLY DOING is illegal and morally corrupt?

This is all about the NSA trying to distract the public from the real issue… Unwarranted surveilence of American citizens.

End the NSA.
End the DHS.
End the TSA.

May 30, 2014 2:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Benny27 wrote:

You cannot commit treason outside of a specific war. We are not, despite protests that now the latest excuse is the “war” on terror.

That will be a war that never ends, conveniently to replace all the previous wars on verbs.

eastasia has always been our enemy, not eurasia.
we are now at war with eurasia.
we have always been at war with eurasia.

war is peace

May 30, 2014 2:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dd606 wrote:

I guess most of the people making comments must have missed the part where Ed claimed he was “trained as a spy”… Even though he was a plain old IT grunt that fixed people’s computers. ha! People think that siding with this fool, makes them smart. When in reality, it just shows that they’re completely clueless and will believe anything some nut tells them… as long as it goes along with what they prefer to believe. And Americans wonder why we get idiots as leaders.

May 30, 2014 2:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JoeSchmoe123 wrote:

Snowden commit Treason? No way! You’d need to aid and abet an enemy, like overseas. Instead, Snowden aided and abeted the American people, FROM overseas. And Government paid him handsomely to do that.

Folks, it’s time to discontinue funding for the NSA. For one Snowden today, 10,000 Snowdens tomorrow. And I’d caution those who want to be n the right side of History: you currently aren’t.

To reiterate: it’s only treason if the American people are the enemies the government speaks of.

May 30, 2014 2:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@ JoeSchmoe123 wrote:

To reiterate: it’s only treason if the American people are the enemies the government speaks of.

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It’s treason to report spying on other countries and their leaders whether they foe or friend!

May 30, 2014 3:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yvo_Kerwar wrote:

Americans don’t wonder why they get idiots as leaders, dd606. Our leaders know what they’re doing and they know it’s unconstitutional. That’s why our leaders lie about what they’re doing. The only one telling the truth is whistleblower Edward Snowden.

May 30, 2014 4:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JoeSchmoe123 wrote:

@Reality2Day wrote:

It’s treason to report spying on other countries and their leaders whether they foe or friend!


Snowden didn’t lie to Congress, but Clapper and the NSA, did. And dear madame/sir, when Secret courts say the NSA’s activities are illegal, then my conscious is clear whom informs me with truth.

You’re not by chance employed by professional liars are you?

May 30, 2014 6:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@JoeSchmoe123

I’m not even American, so Clapper lied, all governments do, but Clapper didn’t reveal spying on other countries, Snowden did, therefore he’s a TRAITOR! Clapper doing what your government paid him for, and it’s not just Obama’s fault it started before then.

Do you think the U.S. government is hiring? I need a job.

May 30, 2014 8:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BaiJiuUSA wrote:

only some of you get the whole picture….

even if the NSA stops it’s “surveillance”, the government will still have access to files that trace your every move.

credit card bill… cell phone towers…. wireless internet routers and IP addresses… tracking devices in vehicles…..

every single piece of electronic information is stored somewhere. you will never stop the surveillance of american people.

remember ted kusczinski… the FBI found him only after tracking snail mail for 15 years. he was off the grid. this is the only way to clear yourself of surveillance, and even then…they will still find you.

Mr. Snowman signed a contract when he was hired. I am sure it stated that he “will not disseminate any information……” and he will be “legally pursued….” What Mr. Snowman did was stab every American in the back.

the real question here is…How can the US government allow a non-high school graduate attain such a high level of clearance?

May 30, 2014 11:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

“Edward Joseph “Ed” Snowden (born June 21, 1983) is an American computer professional. A former systems administrator for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and a counterintelligence trainer at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA)”

May 30, 2014 12:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AnLaN wrote:

How come the content for the NBC interview is no longer available. What do they have to hide?

Jun 02, 2014 7:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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