Snubs, harsh words at Asia security meet as U.S. and Japan rile China

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Bakhtin wrote:

China had better get used to this. They have no friends. They have isolated themselves. Their actions have turned the whole of SEA against them, and everybody is losing patience with their silly nonsense.

Jun 01, 2014 7:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

Seems like the Chinese leadership has quite a “holier than thou” “no criticism will be tolerated” attitude, although they don’t hesitate to criticize others. This is the free world, guys. You can’t tell evetyone who disagrees with you to shut up and put up. They’re not Chinese citizens.

Maybe Western countries should start looking at other places to outsource their low-cost manufacturing. There’s no sense in pumping money into such an obnoxious business partner.

Jun 01, 2014 7:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

The first couple comments explain fully why the Chinese will pass the USA…the sheer ignorance and arrogance of the Americans.
They have no friends? First, they are 1.6 BILLION in number compared to America’s mere 330 million. Second, they just signed a $400 BILLION oil deal with Russia (oil not to be sold in Greenbacks). Third, it is China itself preparing to make a new global security alliance that will include both Russia AND Iran.
I like this statement: “the Chinese leadership has quite a “holier than thou” “no criticism will be tolerated” attitude, although they don’t hesitate to criticize others.” – are you sure you are not talking about the USA itself as that is EXACTLY why the world has grown weary of their hegemony.

Jun 01, 2014 7:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

Bakhtin wrote:
China had better get used to this. They have no friends. They have isolated themselves. Their actions have turned the whole of SEA against them, and everybody is losing patience with their silly nonsense.

That should read:- “The USA had better get used to this. They have no friends. They have isolated themselves. Their actions have turned most of the world against them, and everybody is losing patience with their silly nonsense.”

Jun 01, 2014 7:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hahahappy wrote:

China is protecting the SCS, they are the only country in the region who have the intestinal fortitude to stop big oil companies from the west sucking it dry.

Jun 01, 2014 7:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Free_Pacific wrote:

In the last war, Japan was the enemy. If there is ever another war, Japan will be our ally.

This security summit showed two important facts…

1/ The region seeks stronger leadership and inclusion, free of threats.
2/ Japan has been rehabilitated in the eyes of the majority of us, in the Asia-Pacific.

Jun 01, 2014 8:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hahahappy wrote:

Are you sure about that Free-pacific, or have Japan just been playing along with the US till they get to this point. Do you think they have forgotten about those 2 bombs you guys dropped on them, after the war was over. They were used as an experiment. I would never stop hating and I would make sure my children never stop hating.

Jun 01, 2014 8:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RomanovSh wrote:

Stambo is a little confused. Being friend with yourself is not exactly what others accept as “having friends”. History teaches us that Russia and China are not friends. The natural gas purchase, if it happens, is a commercial transaction. Remember this: the land borders between the US and Mexico (or Canada) is similar in length to the China-Russia border. US-Mexico has 46 crossing points; Russia-China has two. Good friends.

Jun 01, 2014 9:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kencarver wrote:

I agree with stambo2001 that Americans do have sheer ignorance and arrogance of the new world order and that new world order is focused on economics and world infrastructure and not some crazy war on terrorism and military dominance scheme that is indeed isolating the USA, not China, India and Russia.

Jun 01, 2014 9:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
NickyMicky wrote:

Isn’t clear enough that US and Japan is colluding to instigate some of SEA countries to initiate trouble with China, so American will be happily supply more weapons to this countries, and generate more employment and money for American weapon industries. US is encouraging the Jap to rearm itself, and together both of them will destroy China if conflict do happen and China will be like 40 years ago again. Of course US is also trying to flank China by playing good guy with India, who knows maybe Outer Mongolia too.

Jun 01, 2014 9:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

The Red Chinese have always been aggressive. Remember “General Cash My Check and WW2?” Jinping has not forgotten. Now they are emerging as the new super power. Their allies are few(Jong & Putin).
It’s obviously China vs all the China Sea nations. Why wouldn’t the little ones unite?
It is weird to see Nam as our ally. “Things change” -Don Ameche

Jun 01, 2014 10:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MetalGod1964 wrote:

Block trade with China. Issue resolved. Although I am sure Walmart, General Motors, Caterpillar, Nike and many other greedy US corporations would be upset.

Jun 01, 2014 10:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

The Red Chinese have always been aggressive. Remember “General Cash My Check and WW2?” Jinping has not forgotten. Now they are emerging as the new super power. Their allies are few(Jong & Putin).
It’s obviously China vs all the China Sea nations. Why wouldn’t the little ones unite?
It is weird to see Nam as our ally. “Things change” -Don Ameche

Jun 01, 2014 10:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
shabang wrote:

“China is growing, it’s maturing, it’s also feeling its oats a bit and throwing its weight around.”

What an arrogant statement from a 200+ year old nation to a 5000 year civilization. USA needs to look in the mirror. US media keeps displaying the map of China claimed territory. They should also display the Japanese claimed territories mapped by US at the end of WW2: it’s even bigger.

Jun 01, 2014 10:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
shabang wrote:

“China is growing, it’s maturing, it’s also feeling its oats a bit and throwing its weight around.”

What an arrogant statement from a 200+ year old nation to a 5000 year civilization. USA needs to look in the mirror. US media keeps displaying the map of China claimed territory. They should also display the Japanese claimed territories mapped by US at the end of WW2: it’s even bigger.

Jun 01, 2014 10:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
shabang wrote:

“China is growing, it’s maturing, it’s also feeling its oats a bit and throwing its weight around.”

What an arrogant statement from a 200+ year old nation to a 5000 year civilization. USA needs to look in the mirror. US media keeps displaying the map of China claimed territory. They should also display the Japanese claimed territories mapped by US at the end of WW2: it’s even bigger.

Jun 01, 2014 10:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

@CanRus

The Chinese economy is already slowing, Chinese manufacturing is contracting with a PMI index below 50, and has been since 2010 -> http://www.hsbc.com/~/media/HSBC-com/emerging-markets/pmi-reports/2014/cn-manufacturing-eng-1403-lite.pdf

Big foreign business is looking elsewhere for cheap labour because China has made itself unattractive:

“evidence suggests that the country is already losing some new factory investments to lower-cost locations, such as Vietnam, sparking concern about China’s manufacturing competitiveness -> http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/manufacturing/a_new_era_for_manufacturing_in_china

“Many US, European and Japanese companies are shifting production from China to lower-cost locations such as Southeast Asia.” -> http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/india-benefits-china-begins-to-lose-manufacturing-edge/1/203040.html

” Samsung, like the other high-technology groups Nokia or Intel, has decided to flock to Vietnam, where it can take full advantage of the labor force with the cost just equal to 1/3 of China.” ->http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/business/91648/leaving-china–samsung-heading-towards-vietnam-to-optimize-profits.html

“Japanese investors are heading to Vietnam as of late, as Thailand is rocked by political instability and China becomes less attractive with rising wages.” -> http://www.ibtimes.com/japanese-companies-shift-investment-vietnam-thailand-china-become-less-attractive-1560462

The Chinese economy is also hugely unbalanced, practically a smoke-and-mirrors act – driven by infrastructure investment rather than productivity, and the result is a huge current overcapacity. In short, much of the ‘miracle’ Chinese growth is through building infrastructure that isn’t needed -> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19049254

Building entire cities that aren’t needed might produce GDP growth on paper, but there is no return on investment and it is a short term patch to make a failing economy look healthy.

To deal with this failing, unbalanced economy, China needs the world, but now finds itself lacking friends – just a handful of tin-pot countries whose ‘friendship’ has been bought and can do nothing to prop up the smoke-and-mirrors Chinese growth. To get around this lack of friends, China is scrambling to seize natural resources to sell because they have nothing else. The increasing aggression in the South China Sea is a result of increasing desperation, and the USA getting in the way is the last thing China wants.

In short, the party is over for China, and they are making it worse by creating self-inflicted problems. in 10-15 years China will be a backwater again.

Jun 01, 2014 10:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
njglea wrote:

Sounds like China needs to get Lieutenant General Wang Guanzhong under control. He sounds like he is itching for a fight and the world does not need one.

Jun 01, 2014 10:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:

The most wealthy and powerful men in Taiwan, Brunei, Vietnam, the Philippines and Malaysia would certainly like to participate in the great wealth beneath the South China Sea, but they would not be the ones who sacrifice their lives in combat.

Jun 01, 2014 12:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

Japan is a misfit for Asia. Remember Japan was forced to open up by US gunboat diplomacy about 160 years ago. Japan prefer to be an isolated nation, making piracy acts on Korea and China before Commodore Perry came knocking. She never really belong to Asia proper.

Since then, Japan had attacked and colonized Korea about fifteen years after opening up, then attack China WWI & WWII and never really sincerely apologize. This is the nastiest country and most unpleasant leadership showing no remorse like Willy Brandt kneeling to apologize for the Holocaust.

While in Singapore, it is a shame nobody highlighted the Sook Ching Massacre there that killed 50,000-100,000 people. Now a semi US colony, this Japan US Axis with Philippines try very hard to divert people’s attention from US Pivot to Asia and Japan’s own illegal Diaoyu/Senkaku annexation and Philippines illegal Kalayaan Spratlys annexation by Marcos in 1978. So here we have US Complicit in the whole mess in Asia because of her Pivot To Asia Pacific Power Projection self interest, at the expense of real democracy.

Vietnam drilling oil for almost two years in disputed southern part was never criticized while Chinese drilling in the Paracels is deemed coercion. What a disgusting double standard by US!

Asia for Asians, excluding the Unnatural presence of US and Japan is the right direction. They can come as economic partners of course, but never as military hegemonism under disguise as protecting the smaller actors against China. After all China have only small island disputes, not invading other countries.

India together with China should rule over Asia, not the two trespassers, US and Japan who were never in the Asian sphere for the last thousands of years before 1800+ That is why we have Indo China, not some US or Japanese name for Vietnam and other countries there.

So folks, pay attention, the devil is US and Japan, not China. They should leave their weapons at home and compete on economic sphere only. Abe’s Collective Defense is a ploy to divert attention from Diaoyu/Senkaku to the Spratlys and break Japan’s Article 9 Constitution which US condone out of political expediency. How disgusting US have become with double standard democracy!

Jun 01, 2014 1:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

freeokinawa wrote:
“Japan is a misfit for Asia”

Yet Asia is aligning *with* Japan, *against* China. The facts on the ground show that China is the misfit, opposed by practically the whole of SEA.

freeokinawa wrote:
“China have only small island disputes, not invading other countries”

Nonsense. China invaded Tibet (1950), Korea (1950), India (1962), and Viet Nam (1979). Luckily for the victims, the UN in Korea, the Indians, and the Vietnamese kicked the invading PLA out. The only invasion the PLA could win was against the tiny Tibetan army.

Jun 01, 2014 3:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Davage wrote:

@bakhtin,
“China had better get used to this … Their actions have turned the whole of SEA against them….”

Well, not all of SEA, but certainly the few within who’s EEZ China is claiming territory (not EEZ, but territory). Still, this doesn’t prevent those states with disputes from acting outside of SEA. Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, and Vietnam (and Taiwan?) could trump China’s “legitimacy via occupation/precedent making” strategy through multi-lateral negotiations EXCLUDING China (who refuses to participate).

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@CanRus,
“Maybe Western countries should start looking at other places to outsource their low-cost manufacturing.”

It’s already happening, Chinese wages are increasing too fast and companies are moving capital towards cheaper labor.

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@stambo2001,
“are you sure you are not talking about the USA itself as that is EXACTLY why the world has grown weary of their hegemony.”

The funny thing about US hegemony, it hasn’t involved taking land since WWII. Indeed, it’s given BACK territory. In other words, as bad as the democratic/capitalist meddlers have been (and the US has invaded a LOT of countries over the years), the US is a “lesser evil” to China, who with two faces says it’s peaceful and continues it’s imperialist expansion in Asia.

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@Shabang,
“What an arrogant statement from a 200+ year old nation to a 5000 year civilization.”

Lets turn that around, shall we? Let’s compare the 65 year old PRC to the 5000+ year Western civilization. See the problem? Apples and oranges.

“US media keeps displaying the map of China claimed territory. They should also display the Japanese claimed territories mapped by US at the end of WW2: it’s even bigger.”

That’s right, lets not value nations and people by who they are now, but by who they were in the past. While we’re at it, we can dig up what European Americans did to the Natives of North and South America, as well as all the wars and atrocities of China, from Xia to PRC.

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@freeokinawa,
“Asia for Asians, excluding the Unnatural presence of US and Japan is the right direction.”

Go look up “Asia for Asians.” Take a good, close gander. Then, tell me if you REALLY want to use that slogan for China’s rise.

Jun 01, 2014 4:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
isthnu wrote:

The Shangri-La forum was supposed to be Shangra-Laic, to seek common ground on Asian security and how to explore ways to resolve differences. Tragically, in full frontal, the meeting was pitifully hijacked first by Japan and then the U.S., as if things still haven’t been critical enough to warrant some leveling off.

But if that’s what you want, you’ll get what you want. Don’t be cry baby after the clobbering(s), because that’s what you’ve been clamoring for and steering towards.

You just wanted to “arrest”, “contain”, “criticise”, “rein in”, “ally against”, yak yak yak…the Chinese’ peaceful development , thinking the same had been done on Japan after her surrender and the Tokyo trials of Class-A war criminals. Take off your blinkers. China is not Japan and don’t treat her like one.

China won’t forget Japanese atrocities, and if the U.S. wants to make a mess of China’s peaceful rise, this won’t be forgotten too.

Jun 01, 2014 4:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

@Bakhtin
Apparently you choose not to understand my clearly written explanation. I can’t help ya!

First, if you insist on border talk, which country in this planet don’t have border arguments in their history? It happen all the time, so what is the fuss?

What is new here is we have TRESPASSERS from One Sphere to another. Japan and US are trespassers, going across the oceans and invade other countries. If you have ancestors who suffer from their actions perhaps you will have a sober thinking.

And why are people upset with China’s rise? Isn’t that a natural phenomena? I welcome India rise too, that is also a natural phenomena given her large population close to China’s and these two countries are the godfathers of most of the cultures in Asia. In comes two alien cultures, US and Japan, not all are good though I have to say great great good comes out from US where I write this stuff, but Japan is mostly awful under the current LDP Abe regime. The majority of Japanese are very nice people, just that you understand I am not anti Japanese people, just the government.

The trespassers US and Japan if they don’t behave, they should just be pushed back. Please come with economic activities but get lost with your scheming to sustain your rubbish Pivot To Asia Pacific Power Project and Collective Defense AXIS with US to try to sustain US hegemony. A weakened Asia is what US is dying for so she can sustain her dominance over there. US is the new Evil Empire if she don’t rein in the neacons. We have reached the point where democracy is cheapened to make way for Pacific Power Projection!

BTW people should compare US with the former British Empire. UK now try to influence her former colonies with Commonwealth Games, exchanges, trade, NEVER with military bases all over them for power projection. US on the other hand is OBSCENE with Japan as a willing puppet to contain China which don’t spread Communism. So WHY is it necessary for US to have so many bases in Okinawa and Guam, Philippines?

Jun 01, 2014 4:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

Why are we involved in unfinished WWII business between China and Japan? One wants to recover land lost during the war, the other wants to continue enjoying comfort women…What do WE want?

For any countryman who takes pride in “protecting” Japan, have you forgot Pearl Harbor? Is it hard to see who Japan will first use its nukes once it gets them?

We spent billions “protecting” Taiwan and Korea, who had clearly taken sides against Japan. Are we financing a modern gladiator war for fun?

Jun 01, 2014 5:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
isthnu wrote:

@freeokinawa

But Power Projection does not come cheap. The tax payers have been making a lot of noise such that belated action came only when sh*t had to hit the fan. US world strategy hasn’t changed much since the Cold War even as a new World Order is coming on steam, from which I personally feel that the US still has not come to grips with.

NATO should long have been taken off the chart, but is now even more aggressive than ever, rushing to put heavier payload of missiles pointing eastward and expanding toward those who care to join, never mind the costs to member countries. Of course the Russians are petrified. “Who do you think you are to call me terrorists!” Can one discount the dishonourable slight to the events that are happening in Ukraine today?

With an “ironclad” wall in place in the west, now to the east with a “rebalancing” strategy; hence, more bases, more interference. Missiles too are about to be deployed, this time pointing west, towards the “rogue” and the “terrorists”, and a you-know-who.

There’s been talk all over the place of nukes-loaded subs “strategically” placed, but have met with strong resistance in the Philippines and New Zealand. Nukes or no nukes, the subs are there and their purposes? Bears sh*t in the woods?

Now you have it, the clamps are in place – a good night’s sleep, all for one country.

The only good thing in the US/Japan alliance is that Japan is always watched over. Poor fool! If it REALLY wants to get back on to the world stage, it doesn’t need to knock it’s brains out to achieve it; use your cultural heritage from China and unlearn your western influence/samurai concoction of beating the hell out of anyone for no obvious reason. Don’t be lead by the nose. China is not out to eat you, and never did, even though you did such awful things to her. Give it some thought if you ever wish to regain respect from China. It says a lot if China is number two economically, and not militarily. So it’s surreal and fantastical that someone would not affirm the reality but keep up the “assertiveness” rhetoric, which in essence, is but part and parcel of US world strategy.

Like it or not, the new world order is taking shape; taking sides at the expense of others, blocking the advancement of developing states, flouting the law when there is law, policing others without policing itself – in a word, world hegemonism – there’ll be no more red carpets for it in the new centuary.

Jun 01, 2014 7:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@ stambo2001 wrote:

China itself preparing to make a new global security alliance that will include both Russia AND Iran.

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Three repressive states that deserve one another.

Jun 01, 2014 8:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WestFlorida wrote:

China needs to do like every other country in the world and sit down and negotiate.

Jun 01, 2014 9:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
apollo1981 wrote:

“Wang later accused the United States of hegemonism, threats and intimidation.”

Look in the mirror, Mr. Wang. China’s own actions in the South China sea are following this same pattern.

Jun 01, 2014 9:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MaxFord wrote:

China is Vietnam’s archenemy for centuries and no one will forget or ever forgive them. However, the Pro-China side in Cummunist Party is prostituted Vietnam to the North, selling all raw materials and destroy the economy.

The Party will have to surrender to the people or being destroyed and branded “traitor”.

Jun 01, 2014 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Davage wrote:

@isthnu,
“The Shangri-La forum was supposed to be Shangra-Laic, to seek common ground on Asian security and how to explore ways to resolve differences. Tragically…”

Tragically, the only common ground China recognizes is that everything belongs to China, that there are no differences to resolve, and that this is all indisputable.

“Don’t be cry baby after the clobbering(s)”

Jun 01, 2014 9:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Davage wrote:

@isthnu,
“The Shangri-La forum was supposed to be Shangra-Laic, to seek common ground on Asian security and how to explore ways to resolve differences. Tragically…”

Tragically, the only common ground China recognizes is that everything belongs to China, that there are no differences to resolve, and that this is all indisputable.

“Don’t be cry baby after the clobbering(s)”

Jun 01, 2014 9:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
aztec69 wrote:

Bakhtin: Actually, you also just described the USA position in SEA, but the locals are willing to take from anybody who is handing out what they need (e.g. security, economic aid, etc.) at no cost to them. It’s the same old story. I know, I’ve been watching it unfold for over fifty years. Let’s go back and talk about Park (S. Korea),Sukarno (Indonesia), Chiang Kai-shek (China and Taiwan), etc. etc. etc. They’ve mastered the art of playing the Outsiders (USA, PRC,USSR/Russia) against each other for their own gain. I offer you Macau as an example of the Temple to the Greatest God in China — Greed, built with USA money. Mr. Ho must be laughing all the way to his bank in the Grand Caymans with Mr. Adelson’s money.

Jun 01, 2014 10:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@isthnu

The South China Sea and the nine dash line is legal it isn’t mainland China’s territory. It would would Taipei’s, since the Beijing government is illegal, that ousted the nationalist government of China in 1949 in a coup.

Jun 01, 2014 11:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
isthnu wrote:

Davage wrote:
“Tragically, the only common ground China recognizes is that everything belongs to China, that there are no differences to resolve, and that this is all indisputable.”

Like I said later on: “It says a lot if China is number two economically, and not militarily. So it’s surreal and fantastical that someone would not affirm the reality(ie. China’s rapid rise) but keep up the “assertiveness” rhetoric, which in essence, is but part and parcel of US world strategy.”

And Xi is correct. China didn’t start the provocation. But if someone provokes, there will be a response.

Jun 01, 2014 11:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Davage wrote:

@isthnu,

Except for blue-water experience, I’d say China is a very strong candidate for 2nd strongest military in the world. It also says a lot that China has increased its military budget by over 10% almost every year for the last 20. It has been militarizing quickly, always a bad sign in an authoritarian state.

And Mr. Xi is NOT correct, the Chinese very definitely have more than just a shred of aggression in their DNA, Chinese history is FULL of one bloody conquest after another.

From the Chinese perspective, China owns all that “sea territory” (illegal under UNCLOS) and hasn’t provoked anyone. From **almost** every non-Chinese perspective, China has “started” the vast majority of those provocations.

Make no mistake, your neighbors aren’t scheming together to take Chinese land, they are scared. They legitimately believe, as strongly as China does, that their territory is THEIRS, and that China is stealing it. They also have very strong cases supporting their sovereignty, so strong that the Chinese government is afraid of accepting international arbitration. It might lose.

Your neighbors aren’t banding together because the US or Japan is stirring up trouble, they are banding together because they see your country as invading theirs.

Jun 01, 2014 12:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

freeokinawa wrote:
” Japan and US are trespassers”

Japan and US are welcomed by Asia. China is not. Trying to spin this as China defending Asian friends from intrusive Japan is nonsense, when we can all see that Japan and SEA are lining up to oppose China.

Face reality: China is the enemy of SEA, China is trespassing on other countries sovereignty, and SEA trusts Japan more than they trust China.

freeokinawa wrote:
“And why are people upset with China’s rise?”

They aren’t. Nobody in SEA was concerned by Japan’s rise, or by India’s rise.

The problem is China’s aggression. Neither Japan nor India went round claiming territory. That is a Chinese phenomenon.

freeokinawa wrote:
“great good comes out from US where I write this stuff”

That totally explains the constant use of third-person pronouns to refer to the US in the rest of your post, and the geographic locator ‘come’ to refer to China.

Why do you pretend you are not Chinese?

Jun 01, 2014 12:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
isthnu wrote:

@Davage

And the world sings “Alleluyah” when the US is many times over more than China’s military budget – a good sign in a capitalist state.

The PRC has not once started any provocation. It’s been clear from the day it was born. Only when it was provoked that a response was considered, for example, fighting Cheng Kaisheck, the Korean War, the short Vietnam War, and other skirmishes. Satisfied? There’s no hidden agenda that China always demands negotiation and dialog as preferable to violence and confrontation. If the other party scorns such rational proposals and prepares for a show down, well, one must defend oneself.

China’s neighbors are all good neighbors in equal measure. It’s in the Chinese blood to co-exist with neighbors and help each other out; that is why the world is “looking this way” as the Asian economy takes flight, came back from the brink on account of China’s interception to fight off the international financial mafiosos, and still getting stronger by the day. These are solid facts. Be objective. Ask any one of them.

The South China Sea has been sitting there peacefully and beautifully for milleniums, and as the world changes, things change, no doubt about it. And wars have been fought all over the world lots of times because all the warmongers knew was war to settle the matter. But the new age should be different; the advancement in science and maturity of thought will move people to solve issues that must take future generations as a top concern. Especially now that the SCS is so important in global trade that any small miscalculation or provocation might, God forbid, stop the world on its track. That’s why China and Asean countries all welcome and confirmed the DOC in 2002 as a way forward in resolving disputes, and should now focus on expanding the cooperative features.

Though there are a few issues, by and large, all Asians bless for peace and stability in the region, and will not forfeit the benefits of cooperation and development for something that might clog the arteries of progress.

Jun 02, 2014 3:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse

China seeing weakness from our vacillating response in Syria and Ukraine are testing our Asian foreign policy. Unfortunately for the Chinese, we like the rest of the world have very strong strategic reasons to protect the SCS. The SCS are major shipping lanes of commerce for a variety of countries, not just ours. Several allies, Australia, India, Japan, Phillipines, etc use the corridor to facilitate trade daily. The Chinese greed are upsetting the peace and stability that has existed in this region for decades. By foolishly claiming 90% of the SCS without any legal basis, they have made instant enemies of not one but many countries. If their irresponsible provocations remain unchecked, will soon draw SE Asia into an unnecessary bloody armed conflict.
Chinese=reckless

Jun 02, 2014 10:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

ASEAN has a security forum, at which China’s neighbours tell China very clearly that China is aggressive, provocative, a threat to SEA stability, and a bad neighbour.

Yet we see Chinese posters saying that China is peaceful and friendly and a good neighbour and the whole of Asia loves China. It is very obvious that Chinese don’t listen to what their neighbours say.

SEA: “China, we don’t like you!”
China: “SEA is our friend…”

Jun 02, 2014 1:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

@Bakhtin
May I remind you I am a Globalists First, for Global Peace and despise the notion of patriotism, nationalism. The new Japan US AXIS need be exposed for what it is, Power Projection trampling democratic values in Okinawa. Go there and feel the pain of locals. How do you like to be misled by another war like the Bush Iraq War? No WMD in Iraq, No yellow cake in Niger?

Yes, I am proudly Made In America, does that bother you? What relevance is my country of origin got to do with the discussion? Are you from N Korea? Stick to the issues to avoid embarrassing yourself.

Jun 02, 2014 3:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bravo-six wrote:

@isthnu
“The PRC has not once started any provocation. It’s been clear from the day it was born. Only when it was provoked that a response was considered, for example, fighting Cheng Kaisheck, the Korean War, the short Vietnam War, and other skirmishes. Satisfied? There’s no hidden agenda that China always demands negotiation and dialog as preferable to violence and confrontation. If the other party scorns such rational proposals and prepares for a show down, well, one must defend oneself.”

Well lets not forget that whole incident with the sinking of the Vietnamese fishing boat. Honestly, at this point I think its safe to say China is utilizing fishing boats as their own privateers. Because we all know if it had been a Chinese Naval vessel that lead to the sinking of the Vietnamese boat it would have sent the whole region into an armed conflict. Lets be realistic. How else can you explain the ever present Chinese fishing boats that just so happen to coincide with China’s push into SEA? like the phillipine shoals and with the rig in vietnam etc.

Furthermore, with China’s growth slowing down, with the sense of impending doom to the labor based economy, they would be foolish to not try to diversify before they completely lose the labor to other countries. Which could possibly explain this aggressive expansion, which just so happens to be into a mineral rich area in the south China sea.

so many coincidences…

Further still. There is no single race or religion that has been exempt of being either the persecuted, or the persecutor, let’s not forget that.

Jun 02, 2014 5:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GeneSass wrote:

China needs to be contained and stopped before they start WWIII.
Cheap crappy products aren’t worth human life or a nuclear winter.
China has been waging a war against us for 10 years at least in every way other than actual shooting.

Jun 02, 2014 7:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GeneSass wrote:

China needs to be contained and stopped before they start WWIII.
Cheap crappy products aren’t worth human life or a nuclear winter.
China has been waging a war against us for 10 years at least in every way other than actual shooting.

Jun 02, 2014 7:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

@freeokinawa

A peace loving, ant-nationalist, globalist that hates Japan and thinks China should be given all the territory it demands? I have seen $9 notes that are more convincing than you.

Of course you being Chinese is relevant to your constant defence of China. It means that your opinions are more likely to be following the government line than reasoned positions. It means that if you want to be credible, you need to do a lot better than ‘the USA is a trespasser’ or ‘Japan is a misfit’, and vague suggestions of a conspiracy between Japan and the USA.

Japan is not a misfit because most of SEA supports Japan and opposes China – which makes China the misfit. The USA is not trespassing because the USA has defence agreements in the region, and China is trying to seize international shipping lanes. The conspiracy you imagine (and call an axis to try and draw a parallel with WW2..) is a defence agreement that has been in place since the end of WW2.

Jun 02, 2014 11:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

“Japan is not a misfit because most of SEA supports Japan and opposes China…”
I wouldn’t read too much into this rubbish. Like politics events can change on a dime.

” and thinks China should be given all the territory it demands?…
Come again? Have you read MY Facebook? You dishonor yourself by talking rubbish. Stuff your head with facts or SHIP OUT.

Here, one more time to BURN it into your head. If you cannot read, maybe we have a ‘Johnny Can’t Read’ guy here?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Okinawa-Independence/1434236076793532

Jun 03, 2014 8:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

Well done… your link proves that I was correct that you are “A peace loving, ant-nationalist, globalist that hates Japan”. An example from YOUR Facebook ->

“There is a parallel here between Abe and Hitler.”

“Okinawans are like a victim of a Snake Charmer. Japan is like that.”

You also prove that I am right that you think “China should be given all the territory it demands”. Examples from YOUR Facebook page:

“This is THE Sneaky One to fight a war AWAY from One’s Own Turf so as to keep Diaoyu/Senkaku. This is an old Game of GO Chinese invented game that student Abe try to pull a fast one on her master China.”

“Philippines and Japan are like fraternal twins, both having disputes with China due to dubious claim of sovereignty over Spratlys and Diaoyu/Senkaku.

While this post is about the Philippines, I hope the ITLOS judges throws out Philippines Nine Dash Line complaint against China.”

“Tokyo Do Not have sovereignty over Diaoyu/Senkaku. No amount of wordsmithing can change the fact that Tokyo only have administrative rights.”

“it appears many, not all Okinawans are brainwashed into thinking China is a danger to their security. They are mistaken.”

“Japan have use intimidation, telling lies to hoodwink the public that China is the aggressor”

You are not a globalist. You are not for global peace, and you do not despise the notion of patriotism and nationalism. You are a Chinese agent, a Chinese nationalist, pro-Chinese on every issue, and you despise Japan.

Your own link proves it. I really don’t understand why you posted such a self-incriminating link…

Jun 04, 2014 2:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

@Bakhtin

I am prosecuting you in public for spreading lies. What is written of course they are factual. My questioning to you is where is the evidence I am working for PRC? You dishonor your intellect when you make accusations that cannot be directly

Jun 04, 2014 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
freeokinawa wrote:

@Bakhtin
Previous comment accidently posted half complete.

You are being prosecuted in public for making false statements. Great that I force feed you to read. Mission accomplished!

You can have your rubbish opinion which got nothing to do with me being Chinese agent, pro China bla bla false claim. You accuse me of supporting Okinawa Independence without understanding the context of my argument. Read one more time with a pair of goggles, then come back and embarrass yourself one more time. I suspect the topic of Okinawa Independence and the ramifications is too complicated for your intellect to grasp.

BTW I am accusing people like you with an attitude problem of being COMPLICIT if any war breaks out because of your Blind Nationalism.

Oh, by the way, talking to you in third person is like God talking to you. That will be easier to understand isn’t it?

Jun 04, 2014 11:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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