Next up at the ballot box: Undreaming California

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ExDemocrat wrote:

The logical alternative to having to live with the heavy taxes and pervasive anti-business regulations in California, is to move. There are lots of other places in the U.S. where you can live happily and also be successful.

Jun 02, 2014 5:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
taggert wrote:

Yes, they could certainly move to a red state where the education, health care, social service, and pretty much very other government function is on par with a third world country, all while the state leeches off blue states because of the completely inept government republicans have fostered in these states, and where the taxes on the middle class are even higher than they are elsewhere because, after all, those fortune 500 companies need that extra tax break.

Society promotes a lot of benefits over being anti-social knuckle dragging apes…. it also comes with responsibilities, something conservatives for the past 30+ years have refused to live up to with their me-first-and-only dementia.

These people need to grow up and tart acting like adults.

Jun 02, 2014 5:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

ive lived in calif since 1970….it still never amazes me with what they come up with…after all, the state that gave us Pelosi, is capable of giving us anything out there..they don’t call us the lala state for nothing…good luck on that separation…lets see if you can get free everything, somewhere else….

Jun 02, 2014 6:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
chuck2 wrote:

Gee, seems part of CA “went Texian” but then when one looks at the education, health care, wealth gap, and administration in TX for model, CA, be careful for what you wish for, it might happen, ready for 75-95cent/mile toll roads and folks taking your land for pipelines?

Jun 02, 2014 10:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

@taggert

You make it sound like California is the nation leader in education. “The magazine gives California a “D” with a cumulative score of 72.4 on a 100-point scale, 10th lowest among the states. Subpar financing — the lowest in the nation — and poor academic achievement weighed heavily on the state’s evaluation.”.

“An alternative method of looking at poverty has found that California has the highest rate of impoverished people in the nation, according to figures released Wednesday by the U.S. government.

The alternate calculation, which factors in taxes, noncash benefits and day-to-day costs such as child care, means that California has nearly 2.8 million more poor people than the official poverty rate shows, with nearly one in four state residents being considered poor.”

Why one of those third world red states would be an improvement for many Californians. Keep on believing that California is a great state. We live over here in reality.

Jun 02, 2014 10:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whipsplash wrote:

@ sabrefencer, ExDemocrat has some great advice for you…..you won’t be missed.

Jun 02, 2014 11:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
4825 wrote:

Sounds like a great idea for those looking to get away from the lunatic liberal policies.

Jun 02, 2014 11:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
wilhelm wrote:

‘Heavy winter rains often wash out U.S. 101, a major artery in the region. That really rankles him. So do restrictions on timber harvesting.’

maybe he keeps shooting himself in the foot, too. guy lives in a trailer park. should he move to Oklahoma?

Jun 02, 2014 11:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jerboa wrote:

Cut those rednecks loose and watch them log out their forests and cause one more ecological disaster. Bad idea.

Jun 02, 2014 11:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
EchoTony wrote:

Yes, because the road washing out is due to too much regulation on the forests… and cutting off Sacramento’s funding will rebuild the road faster.
Genius.

Jun 02, 2014 2:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FLAK88 wrote:

I live in southern Oregon and am not the least interested in joining these goofs in forming a new nation/state of ‘Jefferson’. Further, they would have a lot to learn about self governance and finance if a fluke occurred and they managed to secede. This entire exercise is a complete waste of time and money. Grow up!

Jun 02, 2014 2:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DanielBarth wrote:

How would assets owned by California be dealt with? Would the State of Jefferson buy Oroville Dam, easily worth 40 billion dollars? What about the state highway system? And how about generating revenue? Currently significantly more dollars come into northern California counties than go out.

Jun 02, 2014 3:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BlueOkie wrote:

Don’t fight the People’s Republic of California

Jun 02, 2014 3:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Calfri wrote:

Breaking the state into a northern and southern portion might not be a bad idea. I don’t know about these other configurations.

Right now statewide, California is what people should look to to find out what long term Democratic control of all branches of government would look like at the state level. This means high taxes — but not high enough — and getting ready to go up still more; public sector unions running everything and demanding more gravy until state services basically come to a screeching halt. (At that point the governor will threaten the public with a shutdown of basic services unless the citizenry vote in yet another tax increase). If people at the local level vote to try and check the union control at the city level, prepare to spend millions on legal fees. The ray of hope is that the citizenry at the local level could win against the union cadre.

Meanwhile, liberals who run things will use state tax dollars to recruit illegal immigrants to come into the state and get a college education at in-state tuition rates, despite the fact that people can’t even get into classes right now to graduate in four years. I suppose it’s only a matter of time before liberals will pass laws making it a crime to speak out against their policies, calling such speech “racist.” All you have to do is look at Britain now to see what that will look like. In fact, it’s a nightmare, but it doesn’t matter to them because Britons who can are moving away, and the left controls the media. To the left in the media, any talk of immigration control is out of bounds and is rarely discussed. In fact, it might be a crime to do so. Business wants what causes the chaos and misery, because it means cheaper labor. That means never, ever tightening immigration laws. But it’s chaos for white Christian Britains who are poorer, which is to say traditional British, while the teeming masses of Muslims from god knows where seethe at their former colonizers while they waste away in anonymous tenements, always unemployed and without prospects.

With some variation, of course, this is what the liberal/left wants for this country, too, because they hate America and they want to crap on it as much as they can.

Jun 02, 2014 4:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@taggert:
What does your post have to do with the subject of the article, namely a plan to partition the State of California? You can never resist an opportunity to inject partisan political issues which have nothing to do with the subject of the article being commented upon.

Jun 02, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
yubamary wrote:

I hope they do it. It would probably grow to be a better managed state since they know all the things that you shouldn’t do.

Jun 02, 2014 4:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SixthRomeo wrote:

Northern California, populated by potheads and huffers who failed in San Francisco and Oakland, the mecca for guys and girls fleeing from responsibilities and from the law, performing day labor on farms. Late twenties, thirties and forty year old tweakers who, really, are nothing more than scoff laws who have fried their brains and have been seeking anarchy in commune settings.

Jun 07, 2014 10:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SixthRomeo wrote:

Northern California, populated by potheads and huffers who failed in San Francisco and Oakland, the mecca for guys and girls fleeing from responsibilities and from the law, performing day labor on farms. Late twenties, thirties and forty year old tweakers who, really, are nothing more than scoff laws who have fried their brains and have been seeking anarchy in commune settings.

Jun 07, 2014 10:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MonitorLizard wrote:

Sure, Del Norte and Tehama–break from California. I am sure you can make it on your own without further California or US funds.

Jun 08, 2014 9:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MonitorLizard wrote:

Walter–You need to take a refresher course on “clicking.”

Jun 08, 2014 9:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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