Putin, Ukraine leader break crisis ice at D-Day event

Comments (23)
Nagant wrote:

@lub:
A small correction: it’s LuGansk, not LuHansk.
But then, you say Kyiv, I say Kiev.
You say Luhansk, I say Lugansk.
You say Yatsenyuk, I say Yaytsenyukh.
;-)

Jun 06, 2014 9:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gentalman wrote:

When Putin is coming forward,Obama with unwarranted statements offend Putin further.Some time mum is more effective than speaking out.Underlined issue is the cold war which must be stopt by all concerned.D day is the day when one reminds the killing of millions like grass.
I have seen both wars in my life time.Some time I think so many big powers got togather to defeat just one man!Is it really victory?!
On this Day I see how morals of big powers is degrading in preferance of their interests.Still they do not realize that remedy is more harmful than decease.What were,Iraq,Syria,Libya,before and what they are today?!Iraq was the world famous learning centre,Syria was the oldest civilization and Libya cancelled Nuclear programme.All parameterfor for well being of people were of world standard.Not today now or will not be even after centuries.Is democracy for destruction?

Jun 06, 2014 10:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gentalman wrote:

When I talk of degrading moral of big powers,I see how they turned the table.Enemies of the fist war became friends in second war.At whose cost?Millions innocent people.

Jun 06, 2014 10:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

Neo-Nazi Ukraine casts shadow on D-Day..

The Svoboda Party, previously Social-National Party of Ukraine was registered in 1995 with the name that was an intentional reference to
the Nazi Party in Germany. In 2004 the party made an effort to change its neo-Nazi image by dropping the Nazi reference in its symbolism and name
but not changing its extreme nationalist and xenophobic views.

The Ukrainian self appointed government includes 5 Svoboda party members. They are 3 ministers including Vice Prime Minister. Then there is
Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council. And finally Prosecutor General. The leader of the openly neo-Nazi organization Right Sector
was proposed as a deputy to the National Security and Defense Council.

Just 3 days before the D-Day anniversary, the Ukrainian army committed a war crime as is documented on the footage bellow:

1) A salvo of free flight rockets fired from a Ukraine fighter jet over Luhansk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx2EVtX9_yg&feature=youtu.be

2) The impact in front of the local administration building:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qzYBnKt0phc

3) The carnage it caused:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pooFkZzmtNc

Jun 06, 2014 11:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

@Nagant:
Correct, Lugansk. Long live to the Lugansk Republic!

Jun 06, 2014 11:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tolan wrote:

But what Poroshenko was doing in Normandy? The Ukrainian movement he represents was fighting alongside with German army against allies

Jun 06, 2014 11:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
cheeze wrote:

A great big thank you to the brave young men who sacrificed for this great country. They truly were the greatest generation. I was blessed to have been born as a part of the baby boom generation and have grown up with these heroes. Most of them are gone now, and I pray they are all in a better place. Forget all the politics, if it were not for these great men, life here in the US would be a whole lot different.

Jun 06, 2014 1:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mwab wrote:

@gentalman

The objective was to push back muslims and west have the upper hand by destroying whole middle east. Centuries old war of Islam vs Christianity still continues.

Jun 06, 2014 1:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

@Tolan wrote:
“But what Poroshenko was doing in Normandy? The Ukrainian movement he represents was fighting alongside with German army against allies”
__________

Correct. The only purely Ukrainian unit throughout WW2 was the SS Division Galizien (Галичина – Galichina). I’m not counting the short lived battalions Nachtigal and Roland, they never participated in combat action, and had performed mainly police functions, mostly in the form of repressions against civilians of non-Ukrainian ethnic background (mostly Jews, but also Russians, Poles, and some others). They were so brutal at that, that often even Germans witnessing the brutalities were appalled, and complained about it to higher command. That soon resulted in disbanding of the said battalions by Germans.
But then, if Merkel was invited, why not Porosenko?

Jun 06, 2014 1:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Well I hope Putin is sincere in what transpired between the two leaders otherwise there will be hell to pay and WW111 will expand!

Jun 06, 2014 1:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

>But then, if Merkel was invited, why not Porosenko?

But for current Germany nazis are criminals and not heroes as in current ukraine.

Jun 06, 2014 2:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
chyron wrote:

@itsmysayokay
Did you know phrase ‘to offer last chance’?
It’s the only one Piotr ‘Chocolate Hare’ Poroshenko will get. As he’s NOT acting president of Ukraine yet so he has luxury of bein’ able to condemn ‘interrim government’s actions while denying his own involvement. But ukrs will blow that last chance too.

Jun 06, 2014 2:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
yubamary wrote:

Today we honor “The Greatest Generation” my Dad was one of them and I am truly grateful to him and his brothers in arms. Without them we would not be free. I thank all the brave young men and women who sacrifice for this nation then and now. Let’s try to live up to their sacrifice. Bless them.

Jun 06, 2014 2:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

The Russian presence is no surprise. Russia defeated two thirds of the Axis forces in Europe while the US, Britain, Free France, and others defeated one third on the Western and Mediterranean Fronts.

Stalin promised at Yalta to attack Japan three months after the German surrender that occurred on May 8, 1945. On August 8, 1945, Moscow time, the artillery barrage began that was followed by tanks, aircraft, and troops advancing into Manchuria.

Jun 06, 2014 3:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Semperveritas wrote:

The authors state: “Putin, whose country suffered the heaviest casualties and struck decisive blows on the eastern front to defeat the Nazis.” An explanation is in order.
First, it was not just Putin’s Russia, but all the fifteen Soviet republics that provided their men and women for the Soviet armed forces.
Second, the greatest losses proportionally to their population was suffered by Belarus and then Ukraine, and Russia was only in third place.
Third, the Soviet Red Army liberated Russia Republic from foreign (German) rule, but in all the other Soviet republics it only replaced one foreign domination (German) by another foreign domination (Russian).
Fourth, Western allies were true liberators because they brought the people of Western Europe liberty in all domains (political, social, economic, religious, national). On the other hand, in the countries from which the Red Army drove out the Axis forces, it only replaced Hitler’s totalitarian regime with Stalin’s totalitarian regime.

Jun 06, 2014 3:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

Obama wants Putin to turn his back on the ethnic Russians in East Ukraine so Washington’s stooges in Kiev can massacre them with impunity.

But if Putin can’t protect Russians on his very doorstep, then he has no legitimacy as a national leader.

And worse, it will send a very dangerous (for Russia) message to the mad-dog militarists in the American capital.

Jun 06, 2014 10:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@Semperveritas:

Your comment shows rather blatant ignorance of the history of the USSR. Ukraine, if anything, was over-represented in the USSR’s power structures and in Stalin’s clique in particular. Among all those mighty and powerful functionaries who ran the USSR, “born in Ukraine” were more than common. Have you ever heard of such names as Voroshilov, Zhdanov, Kaganovich, Petrovsky, Khruschev, Brezhnev, list goes on and on. If not – google these up!

Ukrainians were always in the first line of all USSRs power structures, much like British in India or Canada prior to 1950-1960-s. What “foreign domination” are you talking about? Perhaps, a small nation like Estonia could claim something like that, but certainly not Ukraine, nor Belarus, who both were the Empire nations, much like Scotts, English and Welch in the British Empire.

Jun 06, 2014 10:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

“Poroshenko … was photographed looking unsmiling and earnest as he stood with the Russian leader” – Poroshenko’s face just shows disgust towards Putin.

Jun 06, 2014 11:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
playspeed wrote:

@Semperveritas,
You misunderstand the USSR, it is wrong and completely inaccurate to compare it with the Nazi Germany. The ideology of the USSR was that everybody is equal, so, say, people from Tajikistan and Belarus could be ‘brothers’ and with fair efforts get anywhere in the society. (The exception were the Jews, as they was some politics involved that now they had their new independent nationalistic state). In Nazi Germany, though, Russians, Polaks etc are considered sub-par and were subject to annihilation.

Jun 06, 2014 12:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nikmolchanov wrote:

Hi gentalman,

> I have seen both wars in my life time.

This is very impressive. I have not seen any of them, but my father
told me a lot about the WW II (he was in Soviet Army from 1942 till 1945).
This is great that we were able to finish this war in 4 years.

Jun 07, 2014 3:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hto_eto wrote:

“recognize Poroshenko as Ukraine’s leader and to cut off arms supplies to pro-Russian separatists”

Still cannot understand how they can continue to call them “separatists” knowing that most of them came from Russian Federation.
It is the same as call Germans intruded into Czechoslovakia “separatists”. They should invent new term for small mobile groups annexing the territory without the declaration of war. The very fact that they invited aggressor to celebrate anything points to their unwillingness to admit that the war already started, territory already taken. This is the defeat because they are unable to address the war as a war so they juggle with the words “rebels” and “separatists” while they know this is a big lie. They still failed to act and the next losses can be bigger again.

Jun 07, 2014 4:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hto_eto wrote:

@playspeed wrote: “The ideology of the USSR was that everybody is equal”

Crimean Tatars were not allowed to return in Crimea until 1975.
Collective farmers were not allowed to leave from their collective farms until 1974 ( de facto serfdom ).
“Elections” without choice all the time.
No way to leave the country without special permission from the government. For example, parents of Iosif Brodsky were not allowed to reunite with exiled son.
And many more similar things.

Jun 07, 2014 5:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

@lub, Nagant, Tolan & chryron
Assuming you’re even different people, which is doubtful… Yeah, yeah, yeah… Ukrainians are Nazis, Putin is a nice man and innocent victim in all this, and the hundreds of “volunteers” pouring into Ukraine from Russia and Russian-controlled territories with weapons they bought at the corner store with their life savings have nothing to do with the Russian government. Keep spouting your Kremlin-approved propaganda, hoping anyone will believe these obvious lies.

itsamyokay wrote:
“Well I hope Putin is sincere in what transpired between the two leaders”
You’re kidding, right? “Putin” and “sincere” should never be used in the same sentence.

@Semperveritas
Thanks for providing these historical corrections. Especially points 3 & 4. The Putin/Kremlin/Stalin apologists prefer to overlook these embarassing facts.

BraveNewWrld wrote:
“Ukrainians were always in the first line of all USSRs power structures”
That’s an oversimplification of the situation. Just because some people in the Soviet leadership were well-compensated ethnically Ukrainian collaborators doesn’t mean Ukrainians as a whole weren’t living under Russian domination and oppression – with several examples of genocide to back that up. A perfect modern example of that is Ramzan Kadyrov. He may be ethnically Chechen, but it would be ludicrous to claim that because of that, Chechens as a group are not being horribly oppressed by Putin and his Kremlin cronies.

playspeed wrote:
“The ideology of the USSR was that everybody is equal”
Yes, everybody was equally exploited by a totalitarian government. Although even that isn’t completely true… ethnic Russians generally weren’t treated as badly as most of the other occupied populations.

Jun 09, 2014 5:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
This discussion is now closed. We welcome comments on our articles for a limited period after their publication.