Gunman kills one, three wounded at Christian college in Seattle

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Desmodad wrote:

Are you freaking kidding me Sandra Maler…how is this statement relevant to the story?!
“The college website said students are subject to disciplinary action for such behavior as extramarital sex or homosexual activity and for the possession or use of alcohol.”

Jun 05, 2014 9:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bigness wrote:

This will probably be deleted, BUT…this rampage of school shootings falls squarely on the shoulders of our news medias. When Columbine got glorified and had taken over the news, the shooters got there 15 minutes of fame. Since Columbine, schools seem to be getting shot up every month. If the media actually wanted to help stop the shootings, instead of pimping it for revenue, they would stop giving them their 15 minutes of fame. Stop headlining these shootings and give them a 3 line print somewhere at the bottom of the page.

Jun 05, 2014 9:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

bigness wrote:
“…this rampage of school shootings falls squarely on the shoulders of our news medias.”

This rampage of school shootings falls squarely on the shoulders of the NRA/GOP. who for purely ideological reasons make it easier, and easier, and easier, for idiots to get hold of guns.

It is no coincidence that the USA is the only civilised country that lets citizens carry guns in public, the only civilised country that has stand your ground laws to protect killers, the only civilised country that doesn’t make it obligatory to store guns at home unassembled and locked in a safe, has the lowest barrier to obtaining a gun, and also has the highest incidence of mass shootings.

Jun 05, 2014 10:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JustASec wrote:

Mayor Ed Kelly (Democrat): “Once again, the epidemic of gun violence has come to Seattle, an epidemic of gun violence that has haunted this nation”
Only after he got this partisan spiel out of the way did he remember the victims. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Jun 05, 2014 10:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dd606 wrote:

“bigness wrote: This rampage of school shootings falls squarely on the shoulders of the NRA/GOP. who for purely ideological reasons make it easier, and easier, and easier, for idiots to get hold of guns. It is no coincidence that the USA is the only civilised country that lets citizens carry guns in public, the only civilised country that has stand your ground laws to protect killers, the only civilised country that doesn’t make it obligatory to store guns at home unassembled and locked in a safe, has the lowest barrier to obtaining a gun, and also has the highest incidence of mass shootings.”

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So by your logic, that would mean that there should have been way more shootings like this in past decades, since there were even less laws, more guns brandished openly in public, and it was even easier to get them. And yet, that’s not the case. There’s more shootings today with more laws. Kind of shoots holes in your theory.

Maybe you should instead look to the liberal civil liberties groups, which have made it almost impossible to arrest, detain, search or investigate, any person… until they’ve already committed a crime. The kind of groups that, something tells me, you probably support.

Jun 05, 2014 10:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sophie11rose wrote:

H’m mid-thirties a little older than the other recent young, male mass shooters. I wonder if he too was diagnosed with mental problems way back in middle school?

Jun 05, 2014 10:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ralphooo wrote:

I don’t know why people are so worried! We ONLY have one or two mass shootings per day in the U.S. now. And don’t forget that the 2nd Amendment gives Americans the right to terrorize others as much as they want, whenever they feel like it.

Jun 05, 2014 11:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
justamaz wrote:

Ditto on the comment from “Desmodad”. The writer of this story apparently has there own agenda.

Jun 05, 2014 11:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

dd606 wrote:
“So by your logic, that would mean that there should have been way more shootings like this in past decades, since there were even less laws, more guns brandished openly in public, and it was even easier to get them.”

Get your facts right. Concealed carry didn’t really get started until the late 1970′s, remained the exception until the late 80s/early 90s, and wasn’t nationwide until 2013.

The first stand-your-ground-and kill-somebody law was 2005.

dd606 wrote:
“Maybe you should instead look to the liberal civil liberties groups, which have made it almost impossible to arrest, detain, search or investigate, any person… until they’ve already committed a crime.”

Yeah… waiting until somebody has committed a crime before arresting them for it… shocking!

Far better to bring in the Republican thought-police and start arresting people *before* they have done anything wrong. Innocent until the GOP government says otherwise – 100% proof that Republicans are the party of big government.

Jun 05, 2014 11:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

The group of students and the student security guard deserves high praise, and probably a rebate of all the fee’s paid and due for the duration of their studies.
Well done.

Jun 05, 2014 12:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FreonP wrote:

It was an honest mistake. The shooter thought he was in a Chipotle.

Jun 05, 2014 12:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
chrisbr wrote:

Bakhtin I was just looking at a photo of a group marching through Target loaded with weapons. Never in a million years would I have imagined that in this “civilized” country, politicians would cater to those who obviously have no rational thought process whatsoever. Watch, christian “jiihad” is next. We may not be so civilized for long.

Jun 06, 2014 1:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CatHammer wrote:

@Bakhtin:
Seriously? You think many (if any) of these types of incidents have anything at all to to with concealed carry or stand your ground laws?

Not all that terribly long ago, you could mail-order a firearm without any restrictions; you could walk into any sporting goods store, pawn shop, Sears, Western Auto, Farms supply store, etc. and walk out with a gun after showing no more than enough cash to pay for it. High school kids had shotguns and high-powered rifles in the trunks of their cars after a weekend of hunting, and nobody was shot at school (or anywhere else).

Yet you truly believe it’s gotten “easier, and easier, and easier” to obtain a firearm, and that that’s the main change leading to these problems? Sheesh, I don’t think the NRA, or GOP, or anyone else can be blamed for something that just isn’t true.

Jun 06, 2014 1:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

So, since we know “bad guys” get their guns illegally so laws regarding guns only hurt “good guys”, anyone want to make wager that this was a legally purchased firearm?

Jun 06, 2014 2:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Not that terribly long ago, meaning the 1968 Gun Control Act? Let me ask a question to you black and white thinkers (who think you can quote one statistic like it exists in isolation of anything else), how many guns do you think existed in the United States in 1968 vs. now? Hint, it is growing by about 10 million per year.

If you don’t think the sheer VOLUME of weapons in the US plays a factor, then you have absolutely no clue about economics or even basic math.

Jun 06, 2014 2:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CatHammer wrote:

Odd that someone who quotes only one statistic, himself, and offers no support of its actual effect on a problem should project that behavior as a deficiency in others who quoted no statistics at all.

Mere quantities of an item in existence, especially coupled with more restrictions to acquisition, don’t necessarily dictate increased bad use over earlier times, particularly when there was previously a sufficiently plentiful and more easily attainable supply for anyone who wanted it. A person who would suggest that it undeniably must should probably not lecture on economics or math.

Jun 06, 2014 3:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dehumanist wrote:

So it looks like we don’t all need to carry guns to take down shooters, just some balls and pepper spray.

So much for the NRA’s “arm everyone” argument.

Jun 06, 2014 4:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

CatHammer,

concealed carry and stand-your-ground-and-kill laws are examples of how ridiculously lax US gun laws are. As I have already explained, no other first-world country has those laws, and indeed in any other country carrying a gun in public is viewed as hugely irresponsible (yet the NRA/GOP encourage it…) and standing your ground and killing someone is called ‘murder’. Yet the NRA/GOP encourage it…

Add that to a ridiculously easy route to owning a gun either legally or illegally. Any idiot can get a gun, and irresponsible behaviour with that gun – even basic things like storage – being legal, and what do you get?

You get a country with a lot of irresponsible gun-owners, allowed to carry their weapons in public, and protected by the law if they shoot someone. Yet it is purely coincidence that the same country that promotes irresponsible gun-owners also has the highest rate of shootings?

Jun 06, 2014 9:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Gotta love guys like CatHammer, who pretend that it is actually difficult to get a gun then have absolutely nothing to say about the sheer volume of guns. Kind of odd don’t you think that if it is so difficult to get one, that there is effectively a gun for every man, woman, and child in this country? In other words, you are right, your claim of it being more difficult to get a gun now is just a blatant falsehood and couldn’t even be considered a stat.

Jun 06, 2014 10:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rjsd wrote:

Reuters: What should we report on when a horrific event, such as a shooting happens at a Christian college campus… I know, “The college website said students are subject to disciplinary action for such behavior as extramarital sex or homosexual activity and for the possession or use of alcohol.” If they wanted to include unrelated information they should have mentioned how 70 years ago today brave men stormed the beaches of Normandy and died that we might have the freedoms we enjoy today. Even in the midst of tragedy political agendas weasel their way in; sad, pathetic, and pithy.

Jun 06, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CatHammer wrote:

@ Bakhtin & pyradius: Again, whatever you may think of them, concealed carry and stand your ground laws have nothing to do with this type of situation, nor, indeed, are they factors in the vast majority of violence involving firearms. Citing them, therefore, fails as an “example” of (what you consider)lax laws contributing significantly to the problem. Never mind the fact that a concealed carry permit is one more layer of regulation on the law-abiding, not a loosening of restrictions at all.

To say that it is LESS difficult to get a gun now than in a time when common retail outlets of various kinds stocked and sold them to anyone, with no questions asked, is just an exercise in illogic, no matter how many firearms are in existence. That’s like saying it was harder to find a rock to throw when walking down a gravel path than when driving a paved road past a fenced quarry with thousands of times more stones.

Jun 06, 2014 2:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

How is it an exercise in illogic when there are MORE guns in households than ever? And no, your metaphor fails because in your example, there are less rocks available to you. In this scenario, there are MORE rocks available than there ever have been. Making someone go through another channel (even though 40% of private sales are completely unregulated and require no background check) does not make something “harder”.

Jun 06, 2014 2:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

@CatHammer

Congratulations on completely missing the point yet again. Nobody is saying concealed carry or stand-your-ground-and-kill-somebody are direct factors in any specific case. That would be like trying to point to a particular brand of beer and saying it was linked to an increase in alcoholism.

What they are examples of is irresponsible (though legal) behaviour by US gun owners that would not be acceptable in any other first world country. The GOP/NRA encouraging irresponsible behaviour with guns, plus the easy access to guns through ridiculously easy legal routes, plus the sheer volume of guns making it ever easier to obtain one by legal or illegal means (“Can I borrow your gun for a day?” Fact: nearly half of the guns used in crimes are obtained from friends or family members, which can only happen because so many guns are in circulation), enables these shootings.

Let me make it simple: a lot of guns in the hands of irresponsible people makes it easy for idiots to go on a killing spree.

As the GOP/NRA insist on legalising the irresponsible behaviour and making it easy to get a gun, they are enabling these shooting incidents. If the USA had the same gun controls as, for example, the UK these killings would not happen – that is a fact. Why doesn’t the USA have gun controls laws like that? The NRA/GOP oppose them. They would rather let Americans die than admit that they are wrong. They are part of problem.

Jun 06, 2014 12:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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