Accused Seattle gunman suffers severe mental illness, his lawyer says

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Tiu wrote:

The group of students and the student security guard deserves high praise, and probably a rebate of all the fee’s paid and due for the duration of their studies.
They are genuine heroes.

Jun 06, 2014 7:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BeRealistic wrote:

Way to go students! Love to hear these kind of stories.

Jun 06, 2014 9:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jdl51 wrote:

Just some nut exercising his unfettered 2nd Amendment rights to be armed and dangerous while mentally ill. No relief in sight.

Jun 06, 2014 10:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

“Students disarmed the gunman as he paused to reload his gun, with a school security guard using pepper-spray on him. ”
Kudos to the brave students and the guard. But they were lucky that the gunman was so inept. Usually a pepper-spray can stands no chance against a gun. Why, for God’s sake, didn’t the guard have a pistol? Maybe a well placed bullet could have stopped the madman before he caused the death and injuries?

Jun 06, 2014 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

There was significant regulation and very few firearms in the colonial days. You would be more likely to die from a bow than a musket.

Muskets were certainly not considered a sound investment in these days given the cost for your average layman.

Fast forward, we have more guns, they are easier to obtain, and they are thousands of times more lethal. But no, I am sure the problem lies elsewhere /sarcasm.

Jun 06, 2014 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Nagant, he was tackled and subdued while reloading, the pepper spray was obviously more a part of the subduing during this period, not as an actual firefight between a shotgun and a can of pepper spray…..

Jun 06, 2014 11:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
circulo110 wrote:

This now appears to have become a weekly event. “Gunman enters [insert name of school or location here], kills X and wounds X.”

In any case, kudos to the students and security guard for courage and excellent mature decision making. Yes, free tuition for life.

Jun 06, 2014 1:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
circulo110 wrote:

This now appears to have become a weekly event. “Gunman enters [insert name of school or location here], kills X and wounds X.”

In any case, kudos to the students and security guard for courage and excellent mature decision making. Yes, free tuition for life.

Jun 06, 2014 1:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

jdl51..no where in the 2nd are the words “dangerous” or “mentally ill”. The shooter in Conn. didn’t even own the weapons he used. So what’s your solution?

Jun 06, 2014 1:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

I give my utmost respect to the people who subdued the murderer. It took much courage and probably saved more victims.

Jun 06, 2014 1:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

@jdl51 Don’t know if he had a right to be armed under the 2nd Amendment nor California law; he certainly didn’t have a right to be dangerous.

Jun 06, 2014 1:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

@Tiu. I agree with you and would like to see everyone who intervened receive a full scholarship. I would contribute to a scholarship fund.

Jun 06, 2014 1:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MardukMustDie wrote:

I don’t think that the “security guard” was a security guard per se. I want to say that he was more of a campus R.A. That’s the reason he wasn’t armed with a gun.

Jun 06, 2014 1:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ModernLife00 wrote:

I condemn this terrorist attack on innocent people. I think colleges should be free of arms completely and have secured accesses to campuses.

Jun 06, 2014 3:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheWhiteLine wrote:

To paraphrase a now-notorious line:

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a group of courageous people who keep their heads, take the obvious risk, and act together for the betterment of all.”

OR “a good guy with a gun”, I suppose.

Kudos to these people – exceptional courage and action. They must still be shaking from the adrenaline surge…

And another vote for expenses-paid tuition!

Jun 06, 2014 3:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
aminahyaquin wrote:

As usual, those who haven’t any actual experience combating violence successfully weigh in with the magical thinking that if we ban guns, the crazies who use them to hurt others will simply vanish. Rather, those who would be able to protect themselves and others would be forced to be victims instead. And, we would live in a fascist police state.
Using revisionist history to assert that Colonists were not armed is ludicrous. My family was here, and like the many other kids of families who were here, we have heritage guns all over the place.
What will work to lessen the popularity of these shootings is refusing to divulge the name of the mass murderer(s). Grandiose and infamy-striving individuals need not become infamous, and models for copy cats who are seeking notoriety because they cannot earn the respect of their peers and community.
Also, we need to publicize how many of these individuals are high on drugs at the time of these shooting and are addicts who have drug induced psychosis, or mentally ill individuals who are “self-medicating” with toxic substances that make them murderous.
Many of Big Pharma’s most abused drugs are crazy-making, like Oxycontin, and are far more dangerous than any gun.

Jun 06, 2014 4:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
aminahyaquin wrote:

As usual, those who haven’t any actual experience combating violence successfully weigh in with the magical thinking that if we ban guns, the crazies who use them to hurt others will simply vanish. Rather, those who would be able to protect themselves and others would be forced to be victims instead. And, we would live in a fascist police state.
Using revisionist history to assert that Colonists were not armed is ludicrous. My family was here, and like the many other kids of families who were here, we have heritage guns all over the place.
What will work to lessen the popularity of these shootings is refusing to divulge the name of the mass murderer(s). Grandiose and infamy-striving individuals need not become infamous, and models for copy cats who are seeking notoriety because they cannot earn the respect of their peers and community.
Also, we need to publicize how many of these individuals are high on drugs at the time of these shooting and are addicts who have drug induced psychosis, or mentally ill individuals who are “self-medicating” with toxic substances that make them murderous.
Many of Big Pharma’s most abused drugs are crazy-making, like Oxycontin, and are far more dangerous than any gun.

Jun 06, 2014 4:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
aminahyaquin wrote:

As usual, those who haven’t any actual experience combating violence successfully weigh in with the magical thinking that if we ban guns, the crazies who use them to hurt others will simply vanish. Rather, those who would be able to protect themselves and others would be forced to be victims instead. And, we would live in a fascist police state.
Using revisionist history to assert that Colonists were not armed is ludicrous. My family was here, and like the many other kids of families who were here, we have heritage guns all over the place.
What will work to lessen the popularity of these shootings is refusing to divulge the name of the mass murderer(s). Grandiose and infamy-striving individuals need not become infamous, and models for copy cats who are seeking notoriety because they cannot earn the respect of their peers and community.
Also, we need to publicize how many of these individuals are high on drugs at the time of these shooting and are addicts who have drug induced psychosis, or mentally ill individuals who are “self-medicating” with toxic substances that make them murderous.
Many of Big Pharma’s most abused drugs are crazy-making, like Oxycontin, and are far more dangerous than any gun.

Jun 06, 2014 4:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
aminahyaquin wrote:

As usual, those who haven’t any actual experience combating violence successfully weigh in with the magical thinking that if we ban guns, the crazies who use them to hurt others will simply vanish. Rather, those who would be able to protect themselves and others would be forced to be victims instead. And, we would live in a fascist police state.
Using revisionist history to assert that Colonists were not armed is ludicrous. My family was here, and like the many other kids of families who were here, we have heritage guns all over the place.
What will work to lessen the popularity of these shootings is refusing to divulge the name of the mass murderer(s). Grandiose and infamy-striving individuals need not become infamous, and models for copy cats who are seeking notoriety because they cannot earn the respect of their peers and community.
Also, we need to publicize how many of these individuals are high on drugs at the time of these shooting and are addicts who have drug induced psychosis, or mentally ill individuals who are “self-medicating” with toxic substances that make them murderous.
Many of Big Pharma’s most abused drugs are crazy-making, like Oxycontin, and are far more dangerous than any gun.

Jun 06, 2014 4:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
aminahyaquin wrote:

As usual, those who haven’t any actual experience combating violence successfully weigh in with the magical thinking that if we ban guns, the crazies who use them to hurt others will simply vanish. Rather, those who would be able to protect themselves and others would be forced to be victims instead. And, we would live in a fascist police state.
Using revisionist history to assert that Colonists were not armed is ludicrous. My family was here, and like the many other kids of families who were here, we have heritage guns all over the place.
What will work to lessen the popularity of these shootings is refusing to divulge the name of the mass murderer(s). Grandiose and infamy-striving individuals need not become infamous, and models for copy cats who are seeking notoriety because they cannot earn the respect of their peers and community.
Also, we need to publicize how many of these individuals are high on drugs at the time of these shooting and are addicts who have drug induced psychosis, or mentally ill individuals who are “self-medicating” with toxic substances that make them murderous.
Many of Big Pharma’s most abused drugs are crazy-making, like Oxycontin, and are far more dangerous than any gun.

Jun 06, 2014 4:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
aminahyaquin wrote:

As usual, those who haven’t any actual experience combating violence successfully weigh in with the magical thinking that if we ban guns, the crazies who use them to hurt others will simply vanish. Rather, those who would be able to protect themselves and others would be forced to be victims instead. And, we would live in a fascist police state.
Using revisionist history to assert that Colonists were not armed is ludicrous. My family was here, and like the many other kids of families who were here, we have heritage guns all over the place.
What will work to lessen the popularity of these shootings is refusing to divulge the name of the mass murderer(s). Grandiose and infamy-striving individuals need not become infamous, and models for copy cats who are seeking notoriety because they cannot earn the respect of their peers and community.
Also, we need to publicize how many of these individuals are high on drugs at the time of these shooting and are addicts who have drug induced psychosis, or mentally ill individuals who are “self-medicating” with toxic substances that make them murderous.
Many of Big Pharma’s most abused drugs are crazy-making, like Oxycontin, and are far more dangerous than any gun.

Jun 06, 2014 4:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Gun ownership was probably around 50% in colonial times. Now we have 89 guns per 100 people. That is almost double. Guns today are _vastly_ more lethal than guns back then.

I suppose if someone made a device where you could simply look at someone, press a button, and they would die, then the gun nuts out there would suggest mass-producing the technology to keep everyone safe as opposed to banning the hell out of them.

Jun 06, 2014 5:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
IngaM wrote:

I’m so glad that the student security guard had the ability to react when the opportunity presented itself. Most everyone would freeze in such a situation but his quick action saved lives and also gave others the courage to jump in and help subdue the gunman. It is a bright light in a horrible situation. They all deserve praise.

Jun 06, 2014 5:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/23/1112703/-De-mythologizing-the-Wild-West-gun-laws-were-actually-stricter-then-than-now

It’s a shame the NRA didn’t exist back then, they’d be screaming at those restrictive gun laws that had forced you to leave your guns with the sheriff or outside town.

Jun 06, 2014 5:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Giving no publicity/ no picture of suspect in media might help quell this madness.

Jun 06, 2014 5:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

And yet the NRA/GOP does nothing to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill…

Jun 06, 2014 6:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ramsglen wrote:

Well howdy duty! Another one on the streets to worry about. Give him 6 weeks in a mental institute and put him back on the streets. This has to stop. Guillotine Please.

Jun 06, 2014 6:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ramsglen wrote:

Well howdy duty! Another one on the streets to worry about. Give him 6 weeks in a mental institute and put him back on the streets. This has to stop. Guillotine Please.

Jun 06, 2014 6:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MrEnigmatic wrote:

“was fascinated with mass shootings at other schools”….gee..I wonder if glorifying these maniacs in the news has a detrimental effect on other psychos…..I wonder….

Jun 06, 2014 6:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NIck84 wrote:

What?? are you saying that it was insanity, evil , the influence of video game violence and not the gun that made this evil deranged person kill people…. what??????

Jun 06, 2014 7:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VincentVer wrote:

How’d he get his gun? Hopefully illegally. If he made it through a background check, then such a hole ought be fixed as soon as possible. Allowing teachers to have concealed handguns if they want could help in some scenarios like this, though I’m no open carry shotgun in a city nut.

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VincentVer wrote:

Good one Nick. Most of us gamers are sane. If we ban those, a severe schizophrenic will find a new thing telling them to hurt someone, be it ACDC music or the voices inside their head. But hey, let’s all take the dumb ineffective route Leeland Yee or Rush Limbaugh think will work. I think attempting to ban guns would even be more effective than that, and that wouldn’t even work.

Jun 06, 2014 8:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Washington state prides itself on being a very liberal state yet the quality of mental health care here is among the worst I’ve ever seen anywhere.

It’s the same old story, combine a significant population of unsupervised mentally ill people with easy access to an abundant supply of guns, legal or otherwise, and mass shootings are the result.

Can someone please remind me why closed all those institutions?

Jun 06, 2014 8:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NIck84 wrote:

And yet the liberals will let the evil and insane loose on the general public.

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xyz2055 wrote:

Nick84…The far right is the staunchest supporters of the 2nd Amendment and the NRA. Your comment is grossly misguided.

Jun 06, 2014 8:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cylinder wrote:

Mentally ill? Really? You think so?

Jun 06, 2014 9:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Rick-FromTexas….well there’s been at least 9 shooting in the state of Washington over the past 20 years. Todays event makes it 10.

February 2012: 8-year-old Amina Kocer-Bowman was critically injured at Armin Jahr Elementary School in Bremerton when a gun in a classmate’s backpack went off.

September 2011: 51-year-old Ronald Flicker was killed in a shootout with police on the grounds of Clark Elementary School in Issaquah.

February 2010: 30-year-old Jed Waits, of Ellensburg, stalked and fatally shot Jennifer Paulson, a special-education teacher at Birney Elementary School in Tacoma. Waits later died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

October 2008:15-year-old Quincy Coleman was shot and killed behind Garfield High School in Seattle. A 20-year-old was later charged with murder.

April 2007: Stalker Jonathan Rowan shot and killed his ex-girlfriend Rebecca Griego in her office at the University of Washington before killing himself.

January 2007: Douglas Chanthabouly fatally shot fellow student Samnang Kok in a hallway before the start of classes at Tacoma’s Foss High School. Chanthabouly was convicted of second-degree murder and sentenced to more than 23 years in prison.

February 1996: At Frontier Middle School in Moses Lake, two students and one teacher were killed and another student was wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class. He is serving a life sentence.

March 1994: 16-year-old Melissa “Missie” Fernandes was killed in a gang-related drive-by shooting at Ballard High School in Seattle. Three men were convicted.

January 1994: Neal Summers, a teacher at Whitman Middle School in North Seattle, was shot in the back and killed by Darrell Cloud, a former student who had been abused by Summers for years. Cloud served nine years in prison and later received a $250,000 settlement in a suit against Seattle Schools, saying Summers wasn’t adequately supervised.

Jun 06, 2014 10:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NIck84 wrote:

Apparently the 10 shootings per weekend in CHicago , every weekend don’t count since guns are banned there and no one can own a gun

Jun 06, 2014 11:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
grgilmore wrote:

So the guy is nuts, still does not answerer why he went shooting and why that school.

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GuestOoo wrote:

Psychiatric Drugs – Prozac, flouxetine, frightening side-effects include psychotic violence, suicide and murder. The young people are mostly affected by these side effects. Anti-depression drugs causes the young to see people as objects that they can just shoot and kill, then the act means nothing to them because they think the people are like ducks in the fair for shooting or just objects. There are depersonalization and derealization side effects of taking antidepressants for the young.

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