Maliki stands with Sunni leaders, appealing for Iraqi unity

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SeaWa wrote:

If we fight for the shi’ites in Iran and Iraq, does that mean the suni people will think we are against them? I say, we have to let the middle east sort this out for themselves. They are steeped in religion and anything we do will be interpreted by people with a religious lens. They cannot understand anything else.

Of course, we have to be prepared to defend ourselves, because no matter who wins, we will continue to be the ultimate target.

Jun 16, 2014 9:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lphock wrote:

Unfortunately, Obama is in mood of preserving a legacy of non-intervention. It would be whizz for Bush and Cherney, blasting everyone. At the end, the western oil majors, including the Sunni Mecca controlled group of Arab countries that have had been riding on oil trade-off on US and western powers. Let Iranian cross the borders in their trolls and annex Iraq and next Syria and blockage the Gulf of Oman and Strait of Hormuz. Israel will have a tough time fighting the Sunni extremists and Shiites nationals. Russian will be laughing all the way to the bank.

Jun 16, 2014 9:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CNSG wrote:

Yes yes, let America ‘re-balance’ back to the mid-east again please, and leave other places of this earth in peace.

Jun 16, 2014 10:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Neurochuck wrote:

Mahomet reminds me a bit of Lenin, effective at arguing for “universal” theory, to deal with a deadly struggle in progress, making up the Quran as events developed.
But promising an eternal paradise ripping the black sacks off fresh 12 year old virgins for matrydom on the battlefield to enforce the “true” will of Allah is a problem when there is a split in the Believers.
As his descendants found out when they were all hunted down and slaughtered for claiming to lead by birthright.

Jun 16, 2014 11:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lkofenglish wrote:

“welcome to the Middle East.” one weeks it’s a fruit vender who commits suicide. now it’s Holy Shiite versus the House of the Rising Sunni.

“Like out of nowhere. The CIA attacks the State Department.”

Folks in DC need a refresher on British Imperial History.

They did their’s for a lot less overhead too.
“Five guys sitting around a table” was about it.

Everything else was drinking games.

Jun 16, 2014 12:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

What a freakin’ mess!

This is now a major Middle East regional struggle. So much for the U.S. War Crime invasion & occupation of Iraq. The U.S. dead & wounded were the human price for the profiteering likes of Halliburton; sorry about that chief. Viet Nam, deja vu; and all that. Maybe the American public will start paying attention to the details.

Maliki knows that the U.S. has no leadership or significant resources to offer, in contrast to Iran. He’ll take whatever help the U.S. wants to donate; but his problems are beyond anything that the U.S. is willing to get involved with. At best, Maliki will now be engaged with Iran – for a long time to come. In theory, ISIL doesn’t have the manpower to pose a threat to a competent army; but their gains are appropriately frightening – just in Iraq, let alone Syria.

The bottom line is that the Sunni militant successes have to be stopped for a lot of important reasons. This isn’t an arena for civilized law or politics. Iraq is about to become a free-fire zone; with no accountability being feasible – not all that dissimilar to Libya & Syria.

Maliki knows that his military is unreliable. If ISIL makes another significant gain, Maliki will be making plane reservations out of town.

In the periphery, the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad has 4,000 employees?? It’s certain that 3,900 of them are CIA and/or business brokers. Iraq is a mess; Afghanistan is a similar crisis in waiting.

If ISIL just holds the ground that they’ve taken, Iraq will be another Viet Nam style failure – with Obama left to do an unenviable political tap dance, before the fall elections. If the Iraqi government falls apart; so much the worse – ala Libya. In the background, again, The “Afghanistan Pullout Crisis” is brewing – more major bad news for Obama & America.

All the U.S. can do in Iraq is to shut up & let history do its ugly ‘thing.’ Oh yes, it would be prudent to pull the U.S. personnel out; while it’s still possible.

After November, Obama can be forced to resign, Biden can step in & secure the 2016 election – with Hillary singing his praises. She’ll settle for being VP, for a couple of terms. She knows she has to pay a price for Benghazi.

The American public has had it with “war.” If the U.S. can keep out of the “active” war enterprise, the U.S. budget should be in great shape.

Obama doesn’t have a plan for the current & future “Iraq” problems? That’s a really good sign. Thankfully, no one else in DC is seriously weighing in on “Iraq.”

Now, we wait.

Jun 17, 2014 2:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BanglaFirst wrote:

Iraq army must retake all territory of Iraq. Maliki must resign if he does not deliver this. Turkey, Iran and US must assist Iraq as these criminals are evil to the core. I bet its the desert tyrants of Saudi Arabia and UAE are behind this ISSIL terror groups to dismember Iraq and boost Oil price to line their dirty fat pockets whilst ordinary Iraqis and Syrian die! Crazy desert tyrants, these people are the real enemy of people and Islam.

Jun 17, 2014 4:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPHR wrote:

Funny how the US allowed ally Saudi to fund the emergence of ISIL in Syria and now may have to rely on Shiite Iran to contain ISIL. America bringing democracy to the middle east while allying with Saudi Arabia was ridiculous at best. Saudi Arabia violently suppressed the Arab Spring in Bahrain. Saudi Arabia has a king as dictator using religion to control its population. Anyway America has a long standing relationship with Saudi Arabia its horrible record on democracy and human rights not withstanding. Now having to rely on Iran to contain ISIL highlights the incompatible opportunistic affiliations America has entered into.
The ultimate irony would be ISIL turning on Saudi Arabia which happens to be a much softer target than Iran or Iran supported Shiite Iraq. Must be Saudi’s king ultimate nightmare when its funding for terrorists comes home to roost.

Jun 17, 2014 6:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sentient02970 wrote:

He won’t be making any decision until his vacation is over.

Jun 17, 2014 7:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ADVOCATUS wrote:

Barking up the wrong tree, scoring an own goal and shooting itself in the foot, all at once have always been and still is a habit of one U.S. administration after another. After incurring almost 5,000 American casualties liberating Iraq, the U.S., obsessed with getting rid of supposedly nasty President Assad of Syria (because Saudi Arabia has so decreed), went on to finance, train and clandestinely arm so-called rebels who are brutally beyond the pale. Trying to target the army of battle-hardened and incredibly well-equipped Sunni Jihadist within the vast areas it has conquered may result in U.S. Navy aircraft being targeted, shot down and pilots skinned alive
which will then drag the U.S. back into a war that may go on for ages.

Jun 17, 2014 7:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Brunaux wrote:

All this mess in Iraq is due to the US malicious intention to destroy Iraq which they did under the pretext of destroying ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction’ which were never found and the US knew that there were none. Not surprized that now Iran is becoming a US friend/ally!!. This is part of the very disgusting American hypocrisy and their dirty politics..
But, no doubt if you create a mess it’ll fire back on you one day..

Jun 17, 2014 7:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
cautious123 wrote:

Sure, let’s bomb Iraq — it worked so well the first time. In fact, after our great victory in Vietnam, let’s just go around the world and bomb countries into submission. Well, at least that’s the thinking of the aggressive, neocon pro-Israel cabal that controls key actors in the White House and Congress.

Jun 17, 2014 8:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
branchltd wrote:

44 prisoners, mostly thought to be insurgents, were killed. The coroner’s office noted bullet wounds fired at close range. It is said that the new volunteers eliminated them. 4 more Sunni turned up dead in Bagdad. Two days ago the count on Shia volunteers in response to al Sistan’s fatwa was at 1.5 million. Sow in the wind, reap in the whirlwind.

Jun 17, 2014 8:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

The FSA in Syria has lost the war. They now have gone underground. The ISIL took their weapons and vehicles and headed south to Iraq. They knew that it’s government was weak and has little support. Ripe for the picking. The ICA(Iraqi Coward Army) gave up their modern US weapons(we paid 25 billion) and ran like children.
The ISIL brutally murdered Syrians and Iraqis. I guess this justifies the militia’s reciprocation. Do unto others?
Thank you President Obama for keeping our children out of there.

Jun 17, 2014 9:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Crash0866 wrote:

Doc62
Notice this happened after we left and it’s…worse now…

Jun 17, 2014 9:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Crash0866 wrote:

How about that US foreign policy? The Generals were right but why would a community organizer with little or no foreign policy experience listen to them?

Jun 17, 2014 9:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ringo338 wrote:

When the POTUS travels he usually is accompanied by at least 800 support personel. He and or his first lady usually rack up millions of dollars in public taxpayer dollars to shop or play golf. Now he sends a whole 300 troops to protect American interests. Too bad he doesn’t play golf in Baghdad since he would bring 800 security people to protect him.

Jun 17, 2014 9:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ringo338 wrote:

Have a great idea — most of the Democrat politicians are anti-war and anti-gun. Let’s muster an Iraq Peace March led by the POTUS, his wife, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and all the rest of the democrat legislators and Supreme Court justices. We will arm with with flowers and they will march toward the oncoming ISIS troops hand in hand singing Cum bye ah….. This would be a great thing for the USA in general and we will have a lot of new names for American highways.

Jun 17, 2014 10:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ringo338 wrote:

Have a great idea — most of the Democrat politicians are anti-war and anti-gun. Let’s muster an Iraq Peace March led by the POTUS, his wife, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and all the rest of the democrat legislators and Supreme Court justices. We will arm with with flowers and they will march toward the oncoming ISIS troops hand in hand singing Cum bye ah….. This would be a great thing for the USA in general and we will have a lot of new names for American highways.

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ringo338 wrote:

Have a great idea — most of the Democrat politicians are anti-war and anti-gun. Let’s muster an Iraq Peace March led by the POTUS, his wife, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and all the rest of the democrat legislators and Supreme Court justices. We will arm with with flowers and they will march toward the oncoming ISIS troops hand in hand singing Cum bye ah….. This would be a great thing for the USA in general and we will have a lot of new names for American highways.

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ringo338 wrote:

Have a great idea — most of the Democrat politicians are anti-war and anti-gun. Let’s muster an Iraq Peace March led by the POTUS, his wife, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and all the rest of the democrat legislators and Supreme Court justices. We will arm with with flowers and they will march toward the oncoming ISIS troops hand in hand singing Cum bye ah….. This would be a great thing for the USA in general and we will have a lot of new names for American highways.

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ringo338 wrote:

Have a great idea — most of the Democrat politicians are anti-war and anti-gun. Let’s muster an Iraq Peace March led by the POTUS, his wife, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and all the rest of the democrat legislators and Supreme Court justices. We will arm with with flowers and they will march toward the oncoming ISIS troops hand in hand singing Cum bye ah….. This would be a great thing for the USA in general and we will have a lot of new names for American highways.

Jun 17, 2014 10:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
njglea wrote:

$25 BILLION of our American taxpayer dollars to train them and the Iraq Army ran. According to Wikipedia the real cost of the Bush/Cheney war in Iraq – paid for by the 99% of Americans who actually pay taxes – are mind-boggling:

The financial cost of the (Iraq )war has been more than £4.55 billion ($9 billion) to the UK,[361] and over $845 billion to the US government. According to Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz and Harvard public finance lecturer Linda J. Bilmes it costs the United States $720 million a day to wage the Iraq war. This number takes into account the long-term health care for veterans, interest on debt and replacement of military hardware.[362]

In March 2013, the total cost of the Iraq War was estimated to have been $1.7 trillion by the Watson Institute of International Studies at Brown University.[363] Critics have argued that the total cost of the war to the US economy is estimated to be from $3 trillion[364] to $6 trillion,[365] including interest rates, by 2053.

A CNN report noted that the United States-led interim government, the Coalition Provisional Authority lasting until 2004 in Iraq had lost $8.8 billion in the Development Fund for Iraq. In June 2011, it was reported by CBS News that six billion in neatly packaged blocks of $100 bills was air-lifted into Iraq by the George W. Bush administration, which flew it into Baghdad aboard C‑130 military cargo planes. In total, the Times says $12 billion in cash was flown into Iraq in 21 separate flights by May 2004, all of which has disappeared. An inspector general’s report mentioned that “‘Severe inefficiencies and poor management’ by the Coalition Provisional Authority would leave no guarantee that the money was properly used”, said Stuart W. Bowen, Jr., director of the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. “The CPA did not establish or implement sufficient managerial, financial and contractual controls to ensure that funds were used in a transparent manner.”[366] Bowen told the Times the missing money may represent “the largest theft of funds in national history.”[367]

Who is it that wants us to let them steal more of OUR taxpayer dollars and lives in the middle east religious zealot wasteland while they cut Medicare, Social Security, education funding, welfare and every other social program? NO.

Jun 17, 2014 10:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rokid wrote:

So, Maliki wants us to fight ISIS but he won’t do anything politically to help the political situation? Good luck on that approach. It worked so well during the SOFA negotiations.

Jun 17, 2014 10:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

Crash 0866
I agree, the minute the US stopped fighting Iraq’s battles, troubles set in. Do the GOP/Teabags suggest another 60,000 American dead and injured. That’s only part of the cost of Bush’s meddling and Big Oil’s political power. Time for Iraq, Nigeria and others to fight their own battles. Try and send my kids in here? I’ll raise hell.
On a positive note, Iran’s most famous and seasoned General is bring the Republican Army into the fight. Tell me the Ayatollah isn’t nervous that Iran is next. This could open détente between us.

Jun 17, 2014 10:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nikos_Retsos wrote:

Nouri Al Maliki feels cornered, and lashing out at everybody who has been disgusted at his 8 years of Iraq’s mismanagement and sectarian
revenge against the Sunnis that were Saddam Hussein allies. In addition, I feel his lashing out on Saudis and other Gulf states originates in my blog at the Telegraph that dissects the anti-Maliki Sunni militias proliferation and the Saudi connection, as well the unusual alliance between Iran and the U.S. to save Maliki. I recap here the essence of my view at my blog: Maliki is corrupt, sectarian, too divisive, and unworthy of saving by either the U.S. or Iran in his current mode of political thinking. Iraq needs national unity to prosper as a state, and Maliki has sabotaged or disregarded any effort to achieve that unity. The Saudi campaign against Maliki is, therefore, a blessing for all Iraqis.

Of course nobody wants an Islamic state by the ISIS in Iraq, and such a state won’t survive against a U.S. – Iran alliance, but ISIS deserves credit for starting the anti-Maliki ball rolling. Nikos Retsos, retired professor, USA

Jun 17, 2014 10:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
VultureTX wrote:

@Doc62

minor point
the Iraq army was actually operating decently in independent operations against terrorists… until Maliki stripped out Sunni & Kurdish officers . PM Maliki replaced them with all Shiites and it is claimed those officers paid “gifts” via their Sheiks to Maliki’s tribe.

We all know the quality of these appointed officers since they have mentioned for years now in the failures of their unuts.

Jun 17, 2014 11:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse
UrDrighten wrote:

We *really* should have left Saddam Hussein in power. He did a far better job running Iraq than the Bush-Obama puppet government ever has.

Jun 17, 2014 11:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jburt56 wrote:

It’s an oil grab!!

Jun 17, 2014 11:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

President Obama, Dec. 14, 2011,Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

“Here he said his strategy based on building a sovereign, stable, self-reliant Iraq had succeeded”…”it’s harder to end a war than begin one”…”Indeed, everything that American troops have done in Iraq–all the fighting and all the dying, the bleeding and the building, and the training and the partnering–all of it has led to this moment of success”… Now,Iraq is not a perfect place. It has many challenges ahead”… “But we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people”…We’re building a new partnership between our nations. And we are ending a war not with a final battle, but with a final march toward home. This is an extraordinary achievement, nearly nine years in the making.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/flashback-obama-we-re-leaving-behind-sovereign-stable-and-self

Jun 17, 2014 11:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TCOOOF wrote:

(Take Care Of Our Own First)

Haven’t we already sacrificed enough in Iraq ?

Haven’t we already put off infrastructure repairs stateside, so in order that U.S. taxpayers billions goes to Iraq ?

Granted, ‘you break it, you own it’ BUT wasn’t the U.S. broken first, shouldn’t it be the highest priority for Americans ?

Jun 17, 2014 11:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kafantaris wrote:

“Washington has made clear it wants Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to embrace Sunni politicians as a condition of U.S. support to fight a lightning advance by forces from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
But the Shi’ite prime minister has moved in the opposite direction, announcing a crackdown on politicians and officers he considers ‘traitors’ and lashing out at neighbouring Sunni countries for stoking militancy.”
That about sums it up.
Al-Maliki lost the temperament to govern — and long ago.

Jun 17, 2014 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
techritter wrote:

Dear right wing idiots, Obama could not get the Iraqis to agree to a SOFA to keep troops there. Maliki wanted us out and stayed with the SOFA signed by BUSH. Maliki was no better than Hussein generally speaking, and this shouldn’t surprise anyone. Iraq was an unfixable mess by the end of 2004. The invasion was the penultimate mistake here and it’s a pity that no one has been punished for it.

Jun 17, 2014 12:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DURO wrote:

Why not help Iraq revert to Saddam’s signature of governing, with a strong Sunni presence in the leadership which will be, again, a mortal foe for Iran, and in doing so we and the rest of the world, can have a peaceful life without the Iranians threatening the rest of us with their missiles and rudimentary nuclear devices?

Jun 17, 2014 12:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
snappy wrote:

Obama had not take a page out of Bush’s playbook and gat involved militarily in Iraq. What’s going on there is not our fight, none of our business.

Jun 17, 2014 12:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
snappy wrote:

We’re broke. We don’t have money to spend on these useless wars.

Jun 17, 2014 12:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kahnie wrote:

That al Maliki will not co-operate with the Sunnis in Iraq or the Kurds is the height of arrogance with a great slab of stupidity. However, his comment on Saudi Arabia is right on target. The Middle East is, as always, a basket case. Glad we have more oil independence now. Time to nation build in the U.S. of A.

Jun 17, 2014 12:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mils54 wrote:

Iraq’s military seem to still be yellow bellies!, maybe they see that laying down and surrendering will not get them food and water as with the Americans, These animals will execute them either way!……..Fight back whimpering dogs!!!

Jun 17, 2014 1:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jennfifer wrote:

This is Sunni uprising against a repressive Iranian puppet Al-Maleki. Jihadists are exploiting Sunni’s anger against the Iranian based government. Iraqi soldiers do not have any motivation or the willingness to engage. This will give Iranian the best opportunity to occupy the Shiia sections of Iraq.

Jun 17, 2014 2:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Chazz wrote:

The “West” has absolutely no idea what the f’k they’re doing in the Middle East – BOTH republican and democrats.

“Washington has made clear it wants Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki to embrace Sunni politicians…” Riiiiiight….embracing their POLITICIANS will stop this madness?? Really???

The “can’t we all just get along” policy we’ve been practicing, especially over the last few years has done NOTHING. In fact, it’s made the world a much more dangerous place! Please deny that there ISN’T MORE violence today than there was a decade ago…

So here’s the thing. Approximately 87-89% of the world’s Muslims are Sunni…11 – 12% are Shia, approximately. Iraq’s rulers are Shi’ite (the minority) and they propose to tell the majority (Sunni) to follow Shi’ite rule? Now view that question with this information: The Shi’ites and Sunnis don’t like each other much – and that dislike goes waaaaaaaaaay back to the year 632 when they split upon the death of Muhammad.

The dispute intensified greatly after “the Battle of Karbala,” where a man named Hussein ibn Ali and his household were killed by the ruling Umayyad Caliph Yazid I. In typical Middle Eastern fashion there was an outcry for his revenge and that further divided the early Islamic community.

Today both Shia and Sunni embrace different thoughts and practices in religion, traditions and customs, based solely on theory. Although ALL Muslim groups consider the Quran to be divine, Sunni and Shia have different opinions on the traditions containing sayings of the prophet Muhammad which constitute the major source of guidance for Muslims apart from the Koran.

Okay – ALL that say…who really believes that a bunch of polished-up, overly rich, lying, arrogant, self-serving, greedy western “politicians” and “leaders” can tell the Shi and Sunni to stop and play nice because we say so?….

The Genie has been let out of his bottle and there’s no putting him back. The shi’t storm that coming is gonna be a doosy. So let’s keep bitching about those a-hole republicans or democrats and whose got a tinfoil hat on and who hates Obama and who loves him. WE’VE allowed our POLITICIANS to put us…and the world in this place because WE’VE focused on all the wrong things. Stop pointing the wagging finger of accusation at the “enemy” who is your neighbor and let’s start electing people to government SERVICE who aren’t tied to money or beholden to their own arrogant self-righteous ideas of how THEY think and want the world to be. Our leaders are supposed to WORK FOR US….not lead us down into a sh*& hole from where we will never recover.

Jun 17, 2014 3:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lodestar wrote:

One of the best things Obama ever did was to get us the heck out of Iraq. We never should have been there in the first place.

This website estimated the cost to the U.S taxpayer at around $1.9 trillion ["U.S. CBO estimates $2.4 trillion long-term war costs | Politics | Reuters". Reuters. 24 October 2007. Retrieved 10 September 2008.]

We should have never wasted a penny there. To hell with John McCain let him go send his son to defend the no-doubt undyingly grateful Iraqis.

Jun 17, 2014 3:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Thomas269 wrote:

Remember, it is a religion of peace.

Jun 17, 2014 3:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
harrykrishna wrote:

the current leadership of iraq seems to be a bunch of drama queens

Jun 17, 2014 3:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

We really need to leave Nouri the monkey to stew in his own juices.

Close our embassy and get out.

Jun 17, 2014 3:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Nuri al Macaca should be left to his own devices. No air strikes. No US troops.

Jun 17, 2014 4:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
KyleDexter wrote:

I love how Americans like to view two sides as both at fault.
THIS IS A SUNNI PROBLEM, NOT A SHIITE ONE. THE SHIITES NEVER COMMIT ACTS OF TERRORISM.

A few fun facts for all of you misinformed, brain-washed Americans:

Who committed 9/11: SUNNI’s
Who was responsible for the Lockerbie Bombing: SUNNI’s
Who was responsible for the Boston Bombing: SUNNI’s
Who was responsible for the London Bombings: SUNNI’s
Who was responsible for the Madrid Bombings: SUNNI’s
Who was responsible for the Mumbai Bombings: SUNNI’s
Who was responsible for the Amman Bombings: SUNNI’s
Who was the shoe Bomber: A SUNNI
Who was Osama bin laden: A SUNNI
Who is Ayman Al-Zawaheri: A SUNNI
Who is Al-Baghdadi: A SUNNI
To what branch of Islam does Al-Qaeda belong to: THE SUNNI BRANCH
To what branch of Islam does the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant belong to (ISIL): THE SUNNI BRANCH

Now keep on going on with your stupid rants how they are killing each other.

No, it is Sunnis who kill. Shiites are only defending themselves and their interests. PERIOD.

Jun 17, 2014 4:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

I wonder if this is what bush jr. and cheney and the GOP had in mind when they invaded Iraq? They had BOTH houses AND the Presidency then. Surely, they must have had some kind of plan….

Jun 17, 2014 4:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

snappy wrote: ‘We’re broke. We don’t have money to spend on these useless wars.’

because bush/GOP got us INTO these useless wars. The invasion of Iraq was based on lies from them. And now these same chickenhawks want us to go back…

Jun 17, 2014 4:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Shiras wrote:

Three people edited this piece and no one caught: But in return Washington WANT Maliki to do more to address the widespread sense of political exclusion among minority Sunnis which ISIL has exploited to win support among tribal leaders and former followers of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein.

Jun 17, 2014 6:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sjfella wrote:

More proof of the idiocy of the U.S. getting involved in that toilet country. Billions down the drain, thousands of lives thrown away in vain. And for what? The rich get richer, the politicians keep doing whatever the fluck they want, and soldiers keep dying. Madness.

Jun 17, 2014 6:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
branchltd wrote:

ISIS committing suicide. Very funny.

Jun 17, 2014 6:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

We’re now coordinating with Iran and Russia and the UK, all at the same time, all on the same side. Turns out all we needed for world peace all along, was a common enemy, we could ALL hate at once. Something with a name like “Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.” Who wouldn’t hate that?

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lazywolf wrote:

Should’ve already approved the Keystone and ramped up our domestic production. Like nobody saw this coming (one way or the other). I swear Obama can’t do ANYTHING right. He couldn’t have messed this country up more if he intended to

Jun 17, 2014 7:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ThomasOne wrote:

the last piece from Obama was that he was going to California to celebrate himself (father’s day) his oldest daughter did not go with him. Unlike Obama she probably has more important things to do. O)Obama seems does no appear to have the stamina for the job and should not have run for a second term if he had not the mettle for it. Too many stories of Obama playing cards, golf and looking for leisure rather than partaking in the serious job of his office. Obama presidency was a major mistake, he did not have the experience. We can thank the media for giving us such a poor president -and now they want to give us Hilary propaganda. Its the most important job on earth and requires a proven track not a clean slate candidate with nothing to show.

Jun 17, 2014 8:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lkofenglish wrote:

this is the biggest sea change in geopolitics in 40 years…and it happened in a weekend.

interesting to see the response from both the human (level of Baghdad) and then leadership (Al Maliki was just re-elected) perspective.

This sure likes like a “US-Jordan-Damascus-Baghdad-Tehran” Axis.

Might even include Egypt. The number of comments here is interesting too. ISIS is an American creation. Clearly with its tactics it could never hope of having any credibility with anyone.

Was this fact intentional?

Jun 17, 2014 9:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Oh Mosul will be retaken and God will punish the terrorists who practice a barbaric form of Sharia Law. Islamic terrorists will meet thier match once the air strikes start raining down on them. They will pay the price for what they are doing just as much as Assad in Syria and putin in Russia will as well!! WW111 is creeping upon us folks and virally I miight say.

Jun 17, 2014 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kahnie wrote:

Well, I wouldn’t go so far as to say they are united in fighting ISIS or ISIL. The anger on their faces and the manner in which they walked away from each other reminds me of a mother who makes her two sons who hate each other, make up and say “I love you, and am sorry for what I did,” while in front of their mother. Then then go outside and fight each other again. These protagonists love each other as much as two bull elephants in heat love each other in fighting over female elephants. NOT!

Jun 17, 2014 11:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jimbo777 wrote:

Yes no matter who wins, we will continue to be targeted. So the more of them that die, the better off we and the rest of the world will be.

Jun 17, 2014 11:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kahnie wrote:

@crash0866: You bet Iran is worried. ISIS/ISIL on the west and Taliban in Afghanistan on the East. Uzbeks and other Central Asian Sunni Jihadists to the North and Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States to the Southwest. I’d be worried to. Then with a detente with the U.S., “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” sets in. Such is REALPOLITIK ala Otto Bismarck and company of the 19th Century.

Jun 17, 2014 11:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

ISIS exploited the sectarian tribalism which Maliki was fueling – and the ‘usual’ corruption. But, does Maliki have the time to counter ISIS? It’s too late to “make nice” to the Sunnis. Maliki’s only hope is that the Sunnis are not prepared to face the extremism which ISIS represents.

ISIS is emulating the rise & expansion of the Taliban. ISIS is doing with tactics, which conventional institutions do with force.

Mosul is a classic example. ISIS secured collaborators within the “city walls,” then disrupted the ‘norms’ of the police/military by interrupting the continuity of police/military operations; while overtaking key outposts & facilities. The well-placed ISIS snipers kept any Iraqi police/military heads close to the ground.

When the police/military units couldn’t get communication, intelligence or logistics; sure, they fled. That’s “chaos.”

The important perspective is that the Mosul commanders didn’t have the intelligence information to know that there was a significant threat to prepare for. Secondly, they didn’t have the tactics/means to engage in urban warfare. After ISIS took & held Fallujah, the Iraqi Army should have adapted the appropriate tactics – but that didn’t happen. Given the “American” experience, it’s surprising that the American ‘advisors’ didn’t teach urban warfare to the Iraqi Army.

For the moment, the Shiite militias are more useful than the Iraqi Army; they have the passion to fight, while not being burdened with ‘structure.’

But, what is the ISIS strategy? With Maliki preparing to secure Samarra & Baquba, ISIS could change the equation with a surprise uprising in Baghdad; similar to Mosul. At the moment, retaking Mosul is a low priority.

If the Iranians can deploy enough forces in support of Maliki- in time – ISIS could lose. Given Iran’s support of Assad, they have a major interest in crushing ISIS.

Whichever way this “Iraq Crisis” turns out; Obama & the Gang lose. Immediately behind the “Iraq Crisis” is the outcome of the American withdrawal from Afghanistan. It’s unlikely that “Afghanistan” will be anything less than another American disaster.

The good news is that the American public is finished with these “military Expeditions.” If the U.S. can “… just stay out of it,” America can rebuild.

However, the elements of the “New World Order” – or “Globalism,” if one prefers – don’t like that possibility. The American public have a bigger fight on their hands than they know. The outcome of the November elections is just the starting point of whatever is to come. too many U.S. high-end U.S. politicians owe their first fealty to the “New World Order;” anything is still possible.

We’ll see.

In the meantime, Iraq has a lot of people holding their breath.

Jun 18, 2014 1:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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