Ukraine rebels speak of heavy losses in battle against government troops

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Tolan wrote:

Do you still consider there is no civil war?
Porochenko just wants capitulation of rebel. It is not way to make peace. They fight for their survival

Jun 19, 2014 4:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hto_eto wrote:

“Up to 4,000 separatist fighters could be involved in Thursday’s fighting near Krasny Liman, and armored vehicles and possibly tanks were being used by both sides, the military source said.”

May be then “annexation fighters”? I did not meet any report confirming that locals actively participate in this féerie.
If it is not locals then how can we call them “separatists”?

Jun 19, 2014 5:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fairbro_plus wrote:

‘Asked about the report that 4,000 separatists could be involved, Seleznyov, the government forces spokesman, replied: “Then, there’ll be 4,000 coffins”.’

Yes, another great “peace proposal” from Petro the Pure.

Jun 19, 2014 6:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
musicmouse wrote:

I am disappointed that Reuters obediently copies the propaganda talk from Poroshenko. What he proposes is not “peace” but “surrender” by the federalists (using another propaganda term Reuters calls them separatists but many of them don’t want their region to leave Ukraine).

Jun 19, 2014 6:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hto_eto wrote:

Perhaps better say “annexionists”?

Jun 19, 2014 6:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
drauckerr wrote:

“We issued an ultimatum to the terrorists overnight to surrender their weapons.”

Surrender is not the same thing as a truce or cease fire.

Jun 19, 2014 6:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tolan wrote:

It was an ultimatum, not truce. Truce should serve to start negotiationsn what want rebels, not capitulation. Petroschenko refuses it

Jun 19, 2014 7:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tolan wrote:

Poroshenko was speaking this night with US vce president J. Biden. Apparently he has got blessing for continuation of killings of ethnic Russian. How long time Russia will tolerate it? WWIII is approaching …

Jun 19, 2014 7:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lmyles wrote:

Porochenko the Puppet cannot be trusted, of that we know all too well. Prayer and best wishes to the 4,000 Freedom Fighters as they attempt to defend their land against the invading army.

Jun 19, 2014 8:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
vileur wrote:

It is time for Russia to enforce no fly zone over Ukraine

Jun 19, 2014 8:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kayhacker wrote:

I don’t understand this war. Very little is reported about the local Eastern Ukraine people and their sentiments on what is going on. Is the reason that the rebels are fighting because ethnic Russians have been persecuted by Ukraine prior to the conflict? I never heard any examples of that reported.

All the reports that I have read indicate that basically, Russia sent unmarked military personnel and weapons to support a local separatist movement. If that is the case why isn’t the media calling it an invasion?

Jun 19, 2014 8:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LeeMe wrote:

In the past, I have defended some of Russia’s positions on the Libyan invasion and Russia’s support of Syria’s Assad. However, I think they greatly damaged their credibility when they quickly and opportunistically annexed Crimea. Now we hear reports of Russia denying that they allow fighters and weapons to cross their border into Ukraine. If that is so, where are the Russian media reports showing Russian border prison populations swelling with all the “separatists” that Russia has caught TRYING to get to Ukraine? The USA’s border with Mexico, is obviously very porous, and yet we still manage to lock up a lot of attmepted illegal immigrants in the process. Where is the evidence, my Russian friends?

Jun 19, 2014 8:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Yeah 4,000 Russian insurgents won’t trigger WW3, not even close.

Jun 19, 2014 9:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlfNeuman wrote:

Novorossia partisans are using tanks captured from the Kiev fascists to attack the fascists near Krasny Limon. Sweet revenge.

Jun 19, 2014 9:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Muromets wrote:

What Mr. Poroshenko fails to understand is that a TRUE ceasefire involves not just one side “laying down its arms.” For his offer to be taken seriously, Kiev must withdraw its forces and the government must negotiate with the leaders of the separatist movement. Holding talks with his own government’s appointees in the restive region is meaningless and nothing more than media side-show.

Jun 19, 2014 9:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@Reality2Day

That other thread got buried so deep right after my comment that it is unlikely you would find it. So here is the answer again with the link to the original source of Bandera’s Nazi directions. Never denounced, but rather embraced by his present-day followers.

That was not Russian to English translation. It is a Google translate of the original document, which is obviously in Ukrainian. Which is why it is like rumbling gibberish, as you say. Here is the link to the original document in .pdf on the website of the History Institute of the Ukrainian Academy of Science,

http://histans.com/LiberUA/Book/OUN1941/19.pdf

My understanding is that articles before 16th – on the control of mass media, etc., are also interesting, although Google translation is awful. So if you can come up with a better translation – please, post it and I will be reposting your translation whenever this question arises again!

Jun 19, 2014 9:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
musicmouse wrote:

The header of the article is pure propaganda. What the rebels refused was an ultimatum to surrender. It was only called a “truce” by Poroshenko.

Jun 19, 2014 9:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
slava1351 wrote:

Compare the rebels in Eastern Ukraine to the islamic militants in Iraq and Syria that captured territory and just strait up executing people. Rebelion in East Ukraine started us peaceful protests, than they captured buildings but even than there was no killing. When Ukraine sent military, unarmed locals went out to stand in-front of APCs to turn them back. Murder didn’t start until National Guard got there. I heard US representative say that Iraq’s borders as many middle eastern countries was put together by occupying powers and maybe Iraq needs to be divided into Sunni, Shea and Kurdish areas and that maybe there needs to be a Kurdistan because these people deserve a right to self determination. What about people of Crimea and what about people of Eastern Ukraine? Apparently self determination only applies to people when US government deems it OK because they took a secular country where everyone lived in peace and destroyed it and now do not want the responsibility for it.

Jun 19, 2014 9:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
slava1351 wrote:

@LeeMe
I find it funny that US never suggested that Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Turkey and Libia should prevent the flow of Islamic militants, weapons and cash into Syria but now they demand this of Russia.
I find it funny that US has not been able to close its border with Mexico after all these years, Mexican drug cartels use American weapons in their drug wars and in battles against Mexican government forces and I will not say anything about the illegal immigration problem. Yet US expects Russia to hermetically seal its 2000 mile border with Ukraine who until two month ago was a friendly, brotherly and peaceful country.

Jun 19, 2014 9:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
slava1351 wrote:

I submitted 2 separate posts and neither one actually appeared. One was comparing Eastern Ukraine and Iraq and the other was about US demand that Russia close its border and referencing Syria and countries around it like Quatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey as well as the US – Mexican border. There was nothing offensive in those comments, why not post them, what a joke Reuters is.

Jun 19, 2014 10:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

There is no civil war in Ukraine.

This mass murder and chaos in Ukraine is simply Putin’s way of spending millions of dollars to cause problems in Ukraine. Putin is paying militants to fight, supplying them tanks and other weapons. He is obviously upset that Ukraine is pro-EU, not pro-Russian dictatorship. Kill the illegal Russian militants in Ukraine, all of them!

Jun 19, 2014 10:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mjp1958 wrote:

If armed separatists invaded Russia — like Putin’s militants have done in Ukraine — Russia would certainly do the same thing as Ukraine is, and kill them. Yet, Russia complains about Ukraine’s actions against the separatists. Putin and his leadership are laughable and brutal dictators.

Jun 19, 2014 10:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Nice – the Evil Empire is on its hind legs -

Jun 19, 2014 11:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ccharles wrote:

Its illegal to use the military against the civilians. This guy is just as unlawful as the last. No one with any dignity or honor any more. Rule of might and call it a democracy.

Jun 19, 2014 11:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fairbro_plus wrote:

Petro the Peacemaker – he will go soon to collect his Nobel Peace Prize.

Jun 19, 2014 12:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@Tolan:
You low-down Russian propaganda troll. You cant’t even write a correct sentence in English. Why don’t you confine yourself to posting comments in Russian publications? Ah, but you will not get paid $30 for that. What is it that Russia will not be able to tolerate for long and what will bring on WWIII in your opinion. Is anybody attacking Russia or causing it any harm. It can peacefully enjoy and digest its newly-swallowed Crimea. You should also quit posting your lying garbage and go take a vacation in Crimea. It needs a revival of its tourist business.

Jun 19, 2014 12:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

Many anti-Ukraine comments. Putin is an evil. greedy despot. The world knows that everyone is scared to death of him. That’s why Crimea fell like a ton of bricks. He make his crony Assad look like a angel?

Jun 19, 2014 12:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

If you are “Pro-Russian” living 20 km from Russia…. there is an easy solution. Get in a van and move to Russia. Who is stopping you? Putin won’t let you “Pro-Russians” in or something? He has room. Russia is the biggest country on earth. Quit shooting down airplanes and causing trouble. If you don’t want to be in Ukraine… leave.

Jun 19, 2014 1:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WalterA wrote:

@Tolan:
You are a Russian propaganda troll and you can’t even write a sentence in correct English. I have just returned from Ukraine and can state from my own direct knowledge that 90% of what you wrote is lying garbage. Why don’t you quit posting in English and instead write your screeds in Russian to some Russian website. Ah, but then you will not get paid $30. What is it that Russia will not tolerate any longer and in your opinion will bring on WWIII? Is anybody attacking Russia or causing it any harm? Russia can peacefully digest and enjoy its newly-swallowed Crimea. You should quit writing your lying posts and do the same: take a vacation in Crimea. It needs to revive its tourist business.

Jun 19, 2014 1:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
neopolitics wrote:

Its open hunting season on cossack muscovites!

Jun 19, 2014 1:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
neopolitics wrote:

Kill all the red commies!

Jun 19, 2014 2:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

Just in:
The self-defense forces of Donetsk captured an armor storage facility in Artemovsk, known as Unit A-3730. Dozens of tanks and other armored vehicles. Governor Gubarev declared an intent to form an armored division. Apparently he’s exaggerating his capabilities, but even a tank battalion can make a huge difference.

Jun 19, 2014 2:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
harrykrishna wrote:

i see that russia is supporting the separatists – their camou is starting to match.

Jun 19, 2014 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yashmak wrote:

“Its illegal to use the military against the civilians.”

In most cases of open rebellion, in reality, this does not apply. Imagine if armed pro-Mexican separatists sprouted up in numbers in Southern California, and stormed government buildings, and announced their desire to be part of Mexico (or a separate nation entirely), and refused all offers of negotiation (remember, this matter in Ukraine has been carrying on for quite some time now). Do you honestly think the US wouldn’t use military force to root them out?

If not, I’ve got a bridge to sell you on a low rate ARM.

Jun 19, 2014 2:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hohohohoho wrote:

Porochenko peace plan to kill as many civilians as possible was concocted by his CIA masters who had the same plans when they supported ISIS in Syria.

Jun 19, 2014 3:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
KVM342 wrote:

If Moscow is not involved with the separatists and if they really do not want eastern Ukraine to join Russia, as they have stated, why do they verbally support them?

Jun 19, 2014 3:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

@Truthhhhhh wrote:
“Both Tolan & slava1351 sound like Russian illegal immigrants……”
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No more than hto_eto sounds like a Bandera Nazi follower from West Ukraine

Jun 19, 2014 3:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lkofenglish wrote:

again “very valuable piece of real estate.” as we have now seen in Iraq “these things can escalate very quickly.”

Jun 19, 2014 3:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Liamocean1 wrote:

It is sadly interesting to note that Western media organizations seem to have a concerted effort to paint the east Ukrainians a certain way. Is it possible they just want to secede and have their own country and not be ruled by people they deem as neo-nazi fascists? I have seen plenty of You Tube video showing the neo-nazi parades and symbolism and even killings….such as the ones in Odessa and Mariupol.

I have never, in my lifetime, seen the Western powers allow and ally to conduct indiscriminate shelling of cities filled with civilians such as we have seen with east Ukraine. Our western leaders went along and labeled everyone terrorists and now innocent people across East Ukraine have had bombs raining down on them, It is shameful. We are aiding and abetting in the mass murder of women, children, the elderly, moms, dads, brothers, and sister and even unfortunate pets. What has the world come to when the so called “civilized world leaders” finance something like this and our sold out media covers it all up….especially in light of the fact that you can watch hundreds of videos of who is conducting the atrocities on Facebook and You Tube.

The ones doing the kiiling and ethnic cleansing are coming from the West and attacking the people in the East. The people in the East are defending against these murdering nazis. It is as simple as that and it is shameful what the US government is doing.

Jun 19, 2014 3:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

If unhappy in Ukraine…. move to Russia. Is Putin keeping them out?

Jun 19, 2014 3:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

“This is denied by Moscow, which has been urging Poroshenko to end ‘punitive action’ against the rebels.”

That’s rich. Could you imagine what the Kremlin would do to Chechen rebels who shot down a Russian military plane, killing 49 Russian soldiers?

“End the punitive action.” Good one, Russia. Straight face, even :) No credibility left, but funny nonetheless.

Jun 19, 2014 4:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

That’s the case with cancer if it is let grow…
Putin won’t stop without having it his way, and I predict a major escalation as Ukraine gets closer to EU.

Jun 19, 2014 4:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

AlkalineState wrote: If unhappy in Ukraine… move to Russia.

Lavrov just said that if the Russians that are unhappy in Ukraine instead of fighting move to Russia, that would amount to ethnic cleansing on the part of Ukrainian government.
I am not kidding…

Jun 19, 2014 4:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LordElmsworth wrote:

Ukrainian forces are shelling civilian areas, but they talk about “the terrorists”

Who are the real terrorists?

Jun 19, 2014 4:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

@UauS, ethnic cleansing would be if Ukraine kicked them out. They are free to stay if they quit shooting down airplanes and taking over government buildings.

Was it ethnic cleansing when Castro sent boat loads of Cuban malcontents to Miami, Florida in 1980? More like a foreign policy practical joke. He’s still laughing :)

Jun 19, 2014 4:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Nobody wins a grenade fight for an oil refinery…. taking place IN the oil refinery.

This tends to be a uniquely male dead end.

Jun 19, 2014 5:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
vickych wrote:

Ucrainian army are killing many civilians. Last shelling were been nere the Lugansk – in village Metallist, in Slaviansk, Kramatorsk. Who are terrorist?

Jun 19, 2014 5:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RichardRich wrote:

In the Geo-political game of chess, the major players
are starting to move their big pieces into position.
Hopefully, the Ukranian pawns will not be sacrificed.

Jun 19, 2014 6:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RANGER22BOB wrote:

ANOTHER 20,000 COFFINS FULL AND THERE WILL BE PEACE. IF THESE THUGS WANT TO BE PART OF RUSSIA THEN MOVE TO RUSSIA.

Jun 19, 2014 6:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wakoppa wrote:

Looks like the Russian tourists trying to destroy Ukraine are going home one way or another.

Jun 19, 2014 7:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wakoppa wrote:

Looks like the Russian tourists trying to destroy Ukraine are going home one way or another.

Jun 19, 2014 7:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

@Nagant

The Ukrainian A-3730 unit is an air defense missile unit based in Schepetivka town in the Khmelnytskyi region in West Ukraine. If it has been deployed to Artemivsk in the northern Donetsk region and captured, the rebels will have more air defense missiles in addition to those surrendered at Slaviansk in April. It is also no surprise to find tanks and other armored vehicles because armored units need air defenses when they go near an army that has an air force and helicopter gunships, such as Russia possesses. There may be no intention in Kiev or Moscow to engage in open warfare, but prudent commanders know that unintended skirmishes can happen when troops and rebels fight near other large military forces. If reports of this capture are correct, fighting in East Ukraine may be prolonged.

Jun 19, 2014 7:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AmazedLuce wrote:

AlkalineState wrote: If unhappy in Ukraine… move to Russia.

Mr. Alkaline must be the person whose car bumper sticker says “America, love it of leave it!”

Thank you for lowering this conversation to its lowest possible meaning.

Jun 19, 2014 8:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

@Nagant

The Ukrainian A-3730 unit is an air defense missile unit
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Sorry, a typo. That happens when you type at work, and the boss can always pop up.
Of course it’s А-2730.

Jun 19, 2014 9:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
10x25mm wrote:

Pro Russian separatists may regret killing 49 Ukrainian servicemen in the Luhansk transport plane shootdown. Spectacular events like this tend to dispel apathy in any targeted military organization and create a sense of purpose (revenge?) from top to bottom. The separatists may not receive rigorous Geneva Convention treatment in the future, something that has not been common in eastern European conflicts in any event.

Jun 19, 2014 9:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
540i wrote:

to the pinhead who “did not meet any report confirming that locals actively participate in this féerie.”:

I have seen tons of reports on exclusel locals both being murdered by the junta and fighting them off.

Jun 20, 2014 1:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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