Poroshenko's Ukraine peace plan gets limited support from Putin

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gentalman wrote:

Both sides are supplied by arms .Truth will prevail in the end,as to who broke the cease fire.

Jun 21, 2014 8:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hahahappy wrote:

Whatever! If people were not dying this whole charade would be laughable. Clowns to the left, Jokers to the right….

Jun 21, 2014 8:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

When will the mothers of these Russian/Cossack ‘separatist’ have had enough death from Czar Putin?

Clearly the Rest of the World will have to put more economic pressure on Czar Putin, since he doesn’t CARE about the mothers or their sons.

Jun 21, 2014 11:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

Why does Reuters call it a Ceasefire???

A ceasefire doesn’t mean laying down your arms, just stopping fire. Poroshencho is asking the East to lay down its arms. That is surrender, not a ceasefire. I expect negotiations, then staged arms reduction. It will take a long time for the East Ukraine to trust the West, if ever.

I have certainly learned that the US government puts spin on everything, and expect little else of Ukraine, particularly as it appears to obtain most of its orders and strategies from the US. Undemocratic lack of transparency is the going fare from the US.

But REUTERS: Why do you need to repeat this propaganda. Dare to be honest! So what if it costs you a few bucks from your sponsors. What about honour, and pride of work?

Jun 21, 2014 12:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

mjp1958 wrote:
‘ Vladimir “Khuilo” Putin’
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Obscenity remains obscenity, even if you spell it in Russian. The fact that you quote former Ukrainian foreign minister doesn’t make it less obscene, either. After all, even the neo-Naci Ukrainian leadership decided to dismiss that former minister exactly for that – using non-diplomatic vocabulary, even though the official reason of dismissal was formulated in less damaging expressions.

Is it the new Reuters policy, to permit obscene comments?

Jun 21, 2014 1:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

“support from Putin”? uh-oh, Poroshenko better watch out.

Jun 21, 2014 12:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Will Russia hand Borodai over to the ICJ when this is all done for crimes against the Ukrainians?

Jun 22, 2014 2:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hto_eto wrote:

“In Donetsk about 100 troops of the self-styled separatist Donetsk People’s Republic took an oath of an allegiance, in apparent defiance of Poroshenko’s peace plan.”

It is a new show for journalists.

Where are the coffins after “heavy losses”?

They all go back across the border.

Jun 22, 2014 4:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hahahappy wrote:

I guess all those people standing around cheering the same soldiers are all from Russia also, Idiots.

Jun 22, 2014 4:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse

“I guess all those people standing around cheering the same soldiers are all from Russia also, Idiots.” No, those are the people who fail to realize that this is the last time they will see these soldiers alive while they wait and call for Russian intervention.

Jun 22, 2014 8:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
biggestliar wrote:

again american scenario…if ukraine will be in EU of course america will not want EU be near to asia as they played the same tune in Cyprus or will play for turkey if a light for EU appears. russia is innocent as they play the barricade role for europe for centuries and bottomline again they will play the role by invading east parts of Ukraine. Rest ukraine may enter EU.

Jun 22, 2014 8:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

@111Dave111 wrote
Obviously, Putin cares about nobody but himself. And sadly, not enough Russians realize this yet. Other world leaders definitely have to stop sitting on their hands and put some real pressure on Russia. Sanctioning a few politicians and oligarchs will not make a wannabe emperor like Putin back down. Some serious damage needs to be inflicted on the Russian economy, which can’t be done without harming the global economy or the profits of large corporations (who are lobbying against this – greed is eternal). It’s unfortunate that this will hurt average and mostly innocent Russians the most – but it’s better than all-out war or letting Putin continue his bloody punitive operation against Ukraine.

xcanada2 wrote:
“Why does Reuters call it a Ceasefire???
A ceasefire doesn’t mean laying down your arms, just stopping fire. Poroshencho is asking the East to lay down its arms. That is surrender, not a ceasefire.”
Because that’s what a ceasefire is. Poroshenko declared a unilateral one-week ceasefire from the Ukrainian side. That means they stop shooting at the Kremlin-backed side, except in self-defense, and nothing more. He can ask for anything else he wants along with the ceasefire – it’s not an either/or thing.

Dron wrote:
“Poroshenko the Nazi”
Putinista troll alert!!!

Nagant wrote:
“even the neo-Naci Ukrainian leadership”
Putinista troll alert!!!

“decided to dismiss that former minister exactly for that – using non-diplomatic vocabulary, even though the official reason of dismissal was formulated in less damaging expressions.”
If you say so. You obviously seem to know a lot more about what goes on during Ukrainian cabinet meetings than any of us do. It must surely only be a coincidence that there’s a new president and Poroshenko announced that he’ll make major changes to the cabinet.

Hahahappy wrote:
“I guess all those people standing around cheering the same soldiers are all from Russia also, Idiots.”
Of course not. They’re just a bunch of brainwashed locals. Gullible people exist everywhere – in every country. At least 25% of Russia’s population is and actually support Putin. Even if local support for the “separatists” is 1%, that’s 10,000 in a city of 1 million. It’s surely not hard to round up a few hundred. Bundy had lots of supporters too – even though he’s obviously just a redneck crackpot backed by thugs quite willing to use women as human sheilds, just like the Kremlin-backed terrorists in Ukraine are doing with civilians, including children.

Jun 22, 2014 8:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

“Limited support” is better than no support at all.

But it’s amazing that anyone would damn the Russians for wanting a friendly regime in Ukraine. A significant pipeline runs through Ukraine and many Russians (and how can anyone ever suggest they should just leave?) found themselves in another country and they hadn’t moved. They also may find the language they thought was the common language there may not be for long. That would upset a lot of people in this country if it ever happened here and occasionally does happen in some smaller southwest towns.

The US just spent ten years trying to install friendly regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq and has spent decades of covert action in the ME and elsewhere undermining, even assassinating, unfriendly regimes (or even neutral regimes like Lumumba’s) and none of them were a matter of protecting territories that held large numbers of American citizens nor were they ever former states or parts of its territory like Ukraine has been, for several hundred years, a part of Russia.

This months Foreign Affairs Journal begins with examinations of four of them. It looks at the fall of the Mosaddeq government in Iran in 1953, The assassination of Lumumba in Congo in 1961, The partition of Pakistan and creation of Bangladesh in 1971, and the killing of Chile’s Allende in 1973. The US had a less than a salutary hand in all of them. All four countries political processes were manipulated covertly to prop up American interests in the countries. Bribery and manipulation of “popular demonstrations” were the major tools in most of them. Assassination was the next most used tool and if the US didn’t actually order one of them (Allende’s) it accepted the results readily enough and may have encouraged them.

I believe every word from the separatists regarding the Ukraine government’s soft spot for Neo Nazi’s. There are some British video tours of the Ukraine issue on You Tube a few months ago that made the same point.

BTW – A few of my comments have been disappearing. I know I made them, I bookmarked the pages and kept word copes of them.

Jun 22, 2014 11:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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