Ukraine's Poroshenko: bustle and brio, but is he a match for Putin?

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joeysrach wrote:

Poroshenko , for someone who has inherited 23 years of Russian domination bent on subjugating Ukraine to vassal status, is standing up and meeting the challenges before him face on.
Putin may be the fox described, but ultimately he will be overtaken by events he has created. Sooner than later the Russian people will understand that Putin has been abusing his position for self gain. Let’s hope that Moscow has its own Euro-Maidan soon resulting in a change of management.

Jun 29, 2014 11:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tolan wrote:

Yiou write: he won a mandate across the whole of the divided country. this is untrue as most of information you give. People in Eastern Ukraine have boycotted this election. Also they didn’t accept putsch in Kiev which brought nazists to the power. They fear for their lives. Tymoshenko want to nuke them. In 1943 followers of S. Bandera organized ethnic cleanssibg in Ukraine, killing all non Ukrainians: Russian, Jews, poles, Armenians. Bandera’s pholosophy prevails now in Western Ukraine. You can see it after the number of monuments and commemorative ceremonies devoted to him.

Jun 29, 2014 1:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbazz wrote:

Putin doesn’t hold the hand the media wishes to portray. Looking behind him he will find his own country is in an incalculable financial spiral. Conditions will increasingly upset the general Russian population and even ex-friends and supporters in the elite have begun to move as much as possible into safety. Russia in about to implode and the world will feel it. The media is concentrating on where Putin has pointed but not where he is standing. Look closer and find the truth.

Jun 29, 2014 1:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BIGCAT1 wrote:

Poroshenko does not have at his disposal the divisions and the tanks Putin controls.
Tread lightly Poroshenko, tread lightly.

Jun 29, 2014 2:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Poroshenko by himself cannot control Putin. Putin is a very devious and dangerous man who can only be controlled by a unified front. The Russian propaganda machine is spewing out so many lies that are totally negated by independent news outlets that only the most gullible would believe them. Ukraine will survive as a free and independent country, only if supported by the outside.

Jun 29, 2014 2:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BIGCAT1 wrote:

Poroshenko does not have the divisions not the tanks at his disposal that Putin has.
Tread lightly Poroshenko, tread lightly.

Jun 29, 2014 2:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

What’s a point of comparing a dictator and a president?..

Jun 29, 2014 3:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

What is the point of comparing a beggar and a donor?

Anybody sees any way that Ukraine could have positive trade balance with Europe? US? I mean such that would cover the country’s needs in essential energy imports. If so – please, explain! Otherwise, any discussion totally misses one simple point: for 23 years since acquiring “independence” Ukraine was on Russia’s balance. Either by ways of discounted energy resources, or by enjoying various trade preferences.

I simply do not see any way that Ukraine could earn its living under the condition of being hostile to Russia. Not enjoying trade preferences it used to enjoy and discounted energy prices it used to have. People thinking otherwise are living in a parallel Universe of cargo cult economy.

Jun 29, 2014 8:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

Good propaganda piece Reuters.

You slyly have that every problem created or exacerbated by the US/EU sponsored putch of Yanukovitch is to be blamed on Putin!

The question is: Is Obama and his cohorts a match for Putin?

Actually, the question is whether America’s underhanded ways are a match for Russia’s straightforward ways? One bit of data: Putin supported by 83% of Russians, Obama by 47% of Americans. But, maybe Russians are dumber and more brainwashed than Americans? Unlikely.
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Jun 29, 2014 8:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lkofenglish wrote:

“The Russians cried when Stalin died.”

As with so many things in my world “that simply defies my ability of understanding.” Besides the Night of Long Knives there was nothing more dramatic “in the East” then when the Politburo came to get Stalin after the German invasion of 1941.

“We need you” they said. And Stalin became “the hardest working man in Rock and Roll” as they say.

Stalin never learned the lesson FROM the War…but he learned the lessons OF the war. If this man has a heart of gold to with that soul of steel…President Putin is in big trouble.

Running Ukraine is one thing. Running all of Russia quite another.

Jun 29, 2014 10:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
explorer08 wrote:

Ukraine’s Poroshenko: bustle and brio, but is he a match for Putin?

I really do NOT care. The USA needs to stay out of issues that are those of the Eastern Hemisphere. We have enough problems to deal with right here in the Western Hemisphere – - which we have ignored for decades. Let the EU and the Arab League deal with the Eastern Hemisphere. ENOUGH!!!!

Jun 29, 2014 11:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xcanada2 wrote:

One bit of data: Putin supported by 83% of Russians, Obama by 47% of Americans. But, maybe Russians are dumber and more brainwashed than Americans? Unlikely.
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Just to be clear: Even with the best advertisers in the world, which Obamaco certainly has at his finger-tips, his/America’s message is no match for Russia’s. Russia/Putin has been through the Communist period, a terrible period as it turned out. US has been through nothing except feelings of superiority. They still have it, although the US is slipping off the leaders-of-the-world position. Our leaders have become overfilled with hubris. We have never had enough opposition, to learn that we are (certainly!) like just everybody else in the world. How could it be otherwise: we are filled with people of the world.

Our leadership gropu is dangerous to the world, as it adjusts to its second-rate position. That is my concern. Ukraine, Russia, Syria, Iraq, are just examples of the American problem that the world has to deal with.

There as so many other problems the world has to deal with besides the egos of the West. Really, they (the egos) are a small group. We can learn to ignore them.

Positive energy, such as China’s train between Beijing and New York in 3 hours, advanced nuclear reactors eclipsing the oil barons of the world, and shutting down global warming, a sustainable world and to hell with the present ruling class, that is what the world needs. And, screw US world economic hegemony. It is a dead end. We want diversity. It is fun. It is strength.

The ruling class is just a small group of people, many of whom need to figure out how to earn a honest living for themselves. We don’t need to cut their (brilliant) heads off, just find something truly productive for them to do in the service of mankind.

And the ones who can’t deal with that, make laws and put them in jail.

Jun 29, 2014 12:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mwab wrote:

Puppet (Poroshenko) vs Putin. Its no match. Poroshenko hardly has any thinking of his own, playing in the hands of EU & US, he will lick anyone’s balls to please them. Putin is a free man, hence no match.

Jun 30, 2014 2:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CanRus wrote:

Poroshenko is obviously fighting an uphill battle. Russia is much richer and more powerful than Ukraine – for now, that may change. And Putin will continue doing everything he can to make Ukrainian problems worst for as long as he can afford it. On the other hand, Ukraine has most of the modern world behind it – while Putin is alienating himself and Russia, making as many enemies as he can. This is all part of his USSR 2.0 plan of course, which will be tragic for the Russian people – but it also means inevitably losing control over Ukraine and Ukrainians.

@Tolan
Putinista troll alert! The Kremlin’s “Ukrainians are Nazis” propaganda mantra got old and worn out weeks ago. You should know when to quit.
“People in Eastern Ukraine have boycotted this election.” False! A small group of Kremlin-backed terrorists prevented some people in Eastern Ukraine from voting.
“they didn’t accept putsch in Kiev which brought nazists to the power” There was no putsch in Kiev. If you don’t know the difference between a rebellion and a putsch, look at Thailand for an example and do some reading on the subject. And the Nazis were defeated in 1945.
“They fear for their lives” Yes – mostly due to Kremlin-backed terrorists sent there by Putin.
“Tymoshenko want to nuke them.” Tymoshenko is crazy. She didn’t win the elections – Poroshenko did, by a huge margin.
“In 1943 followers of S. Bandera organized ethnic cleanssibg in Ukraine” What does that have to do with what’s happening now, in 2014? Nearly everybody from that period is dead. Even after 1943, followers of Stalin were carrying out mass murder in Ukraine – should today’s Ukrainians be blamed for that too? Should Germans be hated forever too?
“killing all non Ukrainians” Then why are there so many still in Ukraine, especially Russians?
Yes, Bandera this and Bandera that – the Kremlin’s current favourite boogeyman. I prefer keeping my eye one the real danger threatening the lives of many people in Russia and Ukraine – his name is Putin.

lkofenglish wrote:
“The Russians cried when Stalin died.”
Some still do. That makes me want to cry.

explorer08 wrote:
“The USA needs to stay out of issues that are those of the Eastern Hemisphere”
I mostly agree with you. EU leaders need to grow some balls. This situation mostly concerns them. The US should stick to a supportive role.

xcanada2 wrote:
“You slyly have that every problem created or exacerbated by the US/EU sponsored putch of Yanukovitch is to be blamed on Putin!”
Putin is to blame for threatening and bribing Yanukovitch, which is how this whole mess got started. No surprises there – Putin behaves that way with everyone.

“the question is whether America’s underhanded ways are a match for Russia’s straightforward ways?”
You’re kidding, right? The US government may be underhanded, but so is the Kremlin. It always has been just as bad, sometimes worst – especially since Putin took over.

“Putin supported by 83% of Russians, Obama by 47% of Americans.”
A few other examples of “popular” leaders: Fidel Castro, Kim Jong-un, Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler. Your point? I say irrelevant. People are easily brainwashed and coerced, especially in a totalitarian society like Russia.
“maybe Russians are dumber and more brainwashed than Americans?”
Not dumber, but clearly more brainwashed. I can confirm this from personal experience. Less contact with the outside world, combined with state-controlled media and a repressive governement. A history of repression doesn’t help – Russians are used to it, so they don’t fight it much. The overall attitude is “Why bother?”

“Russia… has been through the Communist period, a terrible period as it turned out.”
It mostly certainly was for the vast majority of Russians. But those who had the power are nostalgic about it, including Putin. It’s obvious he plans to plunge Russia right back into it – not Communism – just the totalitarian regime part. Except he’s not going to be a mid-level KGB agent this time – he’s going to be the Big Boss – the second coming of Stalin.

“US has been through nothing except feelings of superiority. They still have it, although the US is slipping off the leaders-of-the-world position. Our leadership gropu is dangerous to the world, as it adjusts to its second-rate position.”
All true. Same can be said about Russia. Though Putin’s “superiority” is mostly fueled by a (very badly) hidden inferiority and persecution complex. The “slipping off the leaders-of-the-world” bit is especially upsetting to Putin and throwing him into fits of panic. That’s mainly what motivated his invasion of Crimea, and ongoing attempt to destroy Ukraine.

100% agree with the rest of your post from “We want diversity…”

mwab wrote:
“Poroshenko hardly has any thinking of his own… he will lick anyone’s balls to please them.”
Sounds like you’re describing Yakunovich. He certainly sold out to Putin… and Ukrainians hated him for his treachery.

Jun 30, 2014 8:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@CanRus:
In 1943 followers of S. Bandera organized ethnic cleanssibg in Ukraine” What does that have to do with what’s happening now, in 2014? Nearly everybody from that period is dead. Even after 1943, followers of Stalin were carrying out mass murder in Ukraine – should today’s Ukrainians be blamed for that too? Should Germans be hated forever too?

Yes, but only and exclusively those Germans (and not only Germans) who would be marching under Hitler’s portraits, shouting Hitler’s slogans and erecting monuments to their fallen hero Adolf.

Jun 30, 2014 9:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gentalman wrote:

He is ride-ing on others’ back?……..how long?

Jul 01, 2014 10:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gentalman wrote:

One can not compare oranges with apples.One is dependent and the other is totally indepedent.

Jul 01, 2014 11:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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