Israel mourns teenagers, strikes Hamas in Gaza

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itsmysayokay wrote:

Okay here is the truth. Hamas is trying a ploy to retailiate because they are probably aiming to fire something not very pleasant to say the least. But morally these Hamas Terrorists need to learn that they will be on the losing ENDGAME scenario. :)

Jun 30, 2014 10:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
latin04 wrote:

Maybe it is the truth that Israel plays a scenario so that it has an excuse to bomb Gaza in Ramadan, holy month of Muslims. #GazaUnderAttack

Jun 30, 2014 10:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reuters1945 wrote:

The field near Hebron, where the remains of the three murdered teens were buried, beneath rocks in a shallow grave, should now be converted and made into a permanent Memorial for the teens, a National Israeli Historical Landmark site.

This rocky field should be surrounded by beautiful high stainless steel fence carrying the names of these three innocent boys who will never be able to celebrate their 20th birthdays with their parents, nor raise families of their own, nor have the opportunity to contribute to the Land of Israel which they Loved.

Inside this spacious Memorial Park, (around which the ancient rugged and rocky landscape should be left totally intact as it was), there should be planted beautiful colorful gardens of flowers of every variety and graceful trees of every sort, brought from all parts of Israel.

And finally a Memorial Wall should be built of finest marble into which should be engraved the names of every citizen of the State of Israel, including every man, woman and child who has been a victim of terrorists.

The site should of course include standard type security cameras so that anyone who dares to desecrate, in any way, this Holy Memorial dedicated to the three teens will face the harshest punishment/s allowed by Law.

Finally this Memorial Park should be created with contributions gathered from around the world so that all people everywhere can feel they each played a part in creating such a place to Forever Honor the Sacred Memories of Gil-Ad Shaer, Naftali Fraenkel and Eyal Yifrah.

Let no one say: “This cannot be done”.

Indeed and in fact this MUST be done for these three innocent young men were and are, and will forever remain, Heroes of the State of Israel, just as much as any IDF soldier with a gun.

And perhaps, more so, because they had no way to protect their lives except to hope for some small iota of mercy from their captors- which was not, so sad to say, forthcoming.

We cannot bring back these three boys but we can build a beautiful Memorial Park to their Sacred Memory to which their Mothers and Fathers can visit when they wish, and sit under the newly planted Memorial trees, surrounded by the plethora of flowers that will fill this Memorial Park, thus reminding them and all who visit this Memorial Park that though the enemies of Israel can murder and maim individuals they will never succeed in destroying the Jewish people and the State of Israel.

I am prepared to personally make a substantial donation to create such a Memorial Park intended to Honor the Memory of Gil-Ad Shaer and U.S.-Israeli national Naftali Fraenkel, both 16, and Eyal Yifrah, 19.

I hope the world will take up this call. It is the very least that should be done to assuage the never ending, heart wrenching pain of the Mothers and Fathers who will never again see the smiling faces, nor be able to embrace, their beloved Sons- in this world.

Jun 30, 2014 11:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
creegs wrote:

3 U.S. teens were murdered in Canada. The United States sent airstrikes to bomb 34 strategic locations in Canada as retaliation.

Jul 01, 2014 4:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
REnninga wrote:

Lest there be any question that Hamas is an organization of monsters, the incarnation of pure evil, Hamas leader Khaled Mashal addressed the kidnapping of these three Israeli teens for the first on Monday. He did not confirm that Hamas was behind the kidnapping, but added that “if there will be a confirmation that a Palestinian group is behind the kidnapping – we should applaud and take off our hats to them.”

In an interview with Al-Jazeera, Mashal said that he “blesses the hands of those who kidnapped them, since the Palestinian prisoners should be released from the Israeli prisons.”

Jul 01, 2014 4:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

One has to admire the mature, measured response from the Israelis. The way they gather evidence, find the criminal individuals responsible, and bring them to trial.

This is so much better than the immature knee-jerk response of violent and illegal collective punishment, which amounts to little more than killing a load of innocent civilians. After all, that could give the impression that Israelis don’t care who they kill as long as they are Palestinians.

Jul 01, 2014 5:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WaqarNYC wrote:

Reuters, just try to be HONEST here, the Hamas has stated many time that they have nothing to do with the abductions of the kids. These actions were carried out by some terrorists whom main mission is to create problems. But I think the biggest terrorist is that Israeli government that on day light kill innocent Palestinian, as well bomb their houses.

Jul 01, 2014 5:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WaqarNYC wrote:

Someone suggested that the land where the teens body were found should be handed to Israel, and be sealed by Israel…so a few ago, Israeli army had killed many innocent Palestinian, and arrested many, that had nothing to do with abduction the kids…should we build some parks on their too? And what about the daily land grab by the terrorist nation that is supported by USA? And they daily kill, and kick out the Palestinian of their own homes that their grandparents once lived at? And who were the grandparents, most of them were convert Jews, if you look at the Middle East, most of the Middle East were Arabs Jews, who has converted to Islam….so just by changing their religion, make them loose the ownership to their properties….and what are the majority of the Jews that taken over the land of Palestinian? They are not even born in Palestine. They are most the Jews from the USA, Russia, Europe…Their grands parents didn’t even lived there, they were not even born there…yet they hold more rights to those Arab Jews who has converted to Islam? Even a 2 years old can make sense of this…why can’t the UN or the world stand up against the illegal land grab?

Jul 01, 2014 5:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
OBryan wrote:

Good job Israel, however I am disappointed that you stopped after 18 target. other than that, bravo.

Jul 01, 2014 6:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

Hamas will pay dearly as I said. And they are asking for trouble so the terrorists will get it and get it good. I hope Abbas will sign off with the terrorists and learn that it will only bring more pain and punishment to the Palistian people if he recinds..

Jul 01, 2014 6:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

@REnninga

What is your view on this?
“Israeli forces have shot dead a Palestinian teenager during a raid on the Jenin refugee camp in the northern West Bank, Palestinian security and medical sources say.” -> http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/01/369367/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-teen/

Or this?
“Israeli settlers in Hebron killed 14-years old Palestinian girl, Nivin Jamjoum. She was fatally wounded in her right eye with a bullet shot from an M16 machinegun. ” -> http://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-settlers-kill-palestinian-girl-hebron/75

Or this?
“Israeli settlers shot dead a Palestinian in a confrontation in the West Bank on Thursday, Palestinian witnesses said.

Residents said Israeli settlers fired at 19-year-old Oday Kaddous after approaching him and his cousin in a field near the town of Nablus, giving no further details. Hospital officials said he had been shot in the chest.” -> http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/01/27/uk-palestinians-israel-violence-idUKTRE70Q3ZU20110127

Or this?
“A Palestinian shepherd has been shot dead by Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank, according to Palestinian security and government officials.

The young man, identified as Yehia Apa Riham, was among a group of shepherds grazing their flocks south of Nablus and near the Itamar settlement when they were attacked by the settlers, security officials said.” -> http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2008/09/20089286392972345.html

Or this?
“Jewish settlers shot dead a Palestinian girl while attacking homes in the West Bank city of Hebron today after the funeral of an Israeli soldier killed in a roadside ambush, Palestinian witnesses said.

Eight-year-old Neveen Jamjoum was shot while sitting just inside the doorway of her house, her mother said. Palestinian medical sources said nine Palestinians were wounded by gunfire.” ->
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-130282/Jewish-settlers-kill-Palestinian-girl.html#ixzz36D71NEw2

Or this?
“One Palestinians youth was killed and another wounded early Friday after settlers reportedly opened fire at a village north of the West Bank city of Hebron, only a day after a Palestinian youth was shot and killed by an unidentified Israeli citizen near Nablus.” -> http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-killed-after-settlers-open-fire-in-west-bank-village-1.339749

Or this?
“Friday:Israeli media reported earlier today that a 17-year-old Palestinian teenager was shot in the head by settlers in the village of Hirbat Safa, near the settlement of Bat Ayin and the town of Beit Umar. He was taken to a Hebron hospital, where hospital officials recently said that he is brain dead.

Thursday: Nineteen year-old Oday Maher Hamza Qadous was shot this afternoon, allegedly by Jewish settlers, while farming his land in Iraq Burin near Nablus. ” -> http://972mag.com/breaking-settlers-kill-palestinian-near-iraq-burin/9545/

Or any of these?
“Palestinian medical sources have reported that a Palestinian woman was wounded after being rammed by a speeding vehicle of an Israeli settler, near the northern West Bank city of Nablus.

The sources said that Shamsa Sharif, 60 years of age, was moved to the Rafidia Hospital in Nablus, suffering moderate but stable injuries.

Sharif is from Huwwara village, south of Nablus. The settler fled the scene after the incident.”

“A Palestinian old man from Funduq village, east of Qalqilia, died on Tuesday of wounds sustained a week ago after a settler ran over him.” -> http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7qAvoBxKKCRAoZeFsWDz7b04fwRFb1M92heN9n8aZXbjZH4%2bF7zAKd9rqJ0073L%2fLzdOvPy4ExuwMgeM9xJERjpht5gO%2bH01Nd5EE3Azl5SY%3d

“A Palestinian woman sustained serious injuries Saturday morning after she was run over by a settler’s vehicle in the central West Bank village of Marda north of Salfit.” -> http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=638224

“A 6-year-old little child was injured on Thursday after being run over by a settler’s car in Hebron in the south of West Bank, witnesses said.” -> http://alray.ps/en/index.php?act=post&id=1929&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

“An Israeli settler has deliberately run over a Palestinian family, consisting of man and two ladies, in Bethlehem, where they were transferred immediately to hospital.” -> http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/En/default.aspx?xyz=U6Qq7k%2bcOd87MDI46m9rUxJEpMO%2bi1s7RVy1UDzOGyDX3DIxRlpi7E8RGT9wW0EYnYYm68kFM5h6%2bnjPf4ZoMkVxO5ePH0TFYTWSZEUnDAgVExMDDFQ%2fJ9MUkqbAC%2fS%2bNl8eqTB7Fow%3d

And do you have any comment on this?
“A photograph depicting the chairman of an organization dedicated to bolstering Jewish presence in Jerusalem running over two Palestinian children who were hurling stones at him was chosen as the best photograph at the “Local Testimony” 2011 exhibition.”

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/photo-of-stone-throwers-getting-hit-by-car-in-east-jerusalem-wins-award-1.401251

Palestinians are monsters? Perhaps, but they do at least have the excuse of defending their land against the occupying Israelis – wouldn’t you do the same? If Palestinians are monsters for killing, then an open mind says that as most of the killing is done by (occupying) Israelis, they must be more monstrous.

Who knows? Perhaps those who killed these teenagers where related to a Palestinian murdered by Israeli settlers. We will never know, because they never got their day in court to give their side of the story.

Jul 01, 2014 6:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
chessy wrote:

Something is very wrong here. Why would Arabs kidnap and kill other Arabs? Was this a pretext to bomb Gaza, other parts? To turn sentiment once again against Arabs. The drumbeats of war are sounding and it all seems contrived to me!

Jul 01, 2014 6:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sophie11rose wrote:

Israel and the US both need to take this statement to heart – “”It can punish those who did the crime, but should not get out of control with civilians who had nothing to do with the crime.”

Just think how much better it would have been IF Bush in his effort to get the “evil doers” had used special forces to do just that – target JUST the “evil doers”. Israel is reputed to have the best special forces in the World, so WHY not use them to get the specific people who kidnapped/killed these kids. OR is this all just a “put up” scenario to use as an excuse for more terror/violence?

Jul 01, 2014 7:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

@sophie11rose wrote:
“Israel and the US both need to take this statement to heart – ”It can punish those who did the crime, but should not get out of control with civilians who had nothing to do with the crime.“
The terrorists, low level and especially their masters, know this line of thinking. That’s precisely why they always set the shop amidst civilians. Those civilians are not without the blame, either. They loudly celebrate each time the terrorists succeed. Well, they may have to pay for this.
“ Israel is reputed to have the best special forces in the World, so WHY not use them to get the specific people who kidnapped/killed these kids. “
Because lives of the special forces members are valuable. A lot more valuable than the most expensive bombs. Special forces ops are fraught with risks too numerous to list, dropping a bomb is much less risky. And for the ones who happen to be around the intended target – tough luck, they should be more selective in who they want – or don’t want – to be around, so they are not caught in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Jossef wrote:

Hamas “has neither confirmed nor denied involvement in the disappearance of the (Israeli) students” because the kidnapping was botched, the Israeli teens were murdered and Hamas’s plan to use the three teens as hostages to be exchanged for the release of thousands of jailed terrorists, failed. The two suspects in the kidnapping are Hamas members and there is no need for any confirmation from Hamas; their responsibility is clear.

Jul 01, 2014 9:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kickabxr wrote:

since when are the occupiers the good guys and the occupied the bad guys?

Jul 01, 2014 9:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kickabxr wrote:

Since when are the occupiers the good guys and the occupied the bad guys?

Jul 01, 2014 9:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dr_Steve wrote:

@kickabxr: Depends upon who is occupying whose rightful property. Could be opposite of who you imply. Ever consider that?

Jul 01, 2014 11:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sabrefencer wrote:

Hamas and its members are terrorists,whom are controlled as puppets, by Iran….Israelis and palestinians, are just pawns and cannon fodder,…they serve in an endless dance of death, till Iran gets its way.which is, the destruction of israel..therefore, not only hamas needs to pay…but so does Iran, whom is pulling all the strings…

Jul 01, 2014 11:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

kickabxr wrote:
“Since when are the occupiers the good guys and the occupied the bad guys?”

It really beats me, especially as those saying the occupied are the bad guys also claim to be tough on national security and defence.

What would they do if say, China, occupied Texas? Would they do what they say Palestinians should do, and just obediently roll on their backs and let China take a piece of the USA, or would they do as the Palestinians do and use any means possible to fight the occupiers?

Jul 01, 2014 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TastySalmon wrote:

kickabxr wrote:

“Since when are the occupiers the good guys and the occupied the bad guys?”

My thoughts exactly. Israeli soldiers and settlers have killed several hundred Palestinian youth in the last few decades, and few people even blink: three settler youth get murdered and everyone loses their mind.

My heart goes out to these boys. What happened was awful and shouldn’t happen to anyone, ever, anywhere. On the other hand, I have little sympathy for Jewish settlers. They are responsible for some atrocious crimes against humanity.

Jul 01, 2014 11:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mustafaspeaks wrote:

These people who have broken their Covenant with God are accursed for their disbelief; that is the truth which transcends all political falsehoods.

Jul 01, 2014 11:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WildWilli wrote:

Israel has no concrete evidence that Hamas killed these kids. It’s akin to Americans being killed in Canada and the USA bombing Mexico because we suspect that Mexico was behind the killing. It makes you wonder about some of the other actions/bombings that Israel has taken on the slimmest of evidence. While we all support Israel, It must refrain from going off half-cocked no matter how serious the situation might be.

Jul 01, 2014 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

@Bakhtin wrote:
“It really beats me, especially as those saying the occupied are the bad guys also claim to be tough on national security and defence.”

What’s wrong? America is even less inclined to give back to Mexico Texas and Arizona, than Israel is to give back to Arabs Judea and Samaria.
Almost any piece of land you can point at was at some point conquered by the force of arms. So what? Arabs also are not indigenous to Israel, they took it as the spoils of war they fought against Byzantium. And those took it from Romans. And Romans took it from – guess whom? – Israelis. So it went full circle.
It’s only fair that Israel got that land back. Judea belongs to Jews, and Jews belong to Judea. And Arabs belong to Arabia.

Jul 01, 2014 11:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hugo_First wrote:

the public reaction is so predictable as to strongly suggest the killing of the settler teens is a false flag operation designed to whip up anti-arab sentiment. mission accomplished!

Jul 01, 2014 11:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbsnews wrote:

The problem is, there is simply no evidence that Hasas “kidnapped” these illegal colonists. It was very convenient that a mere week after a Palestinian unity government was sworn in that suddenly Hamas would change the way it has operated since its inception and abduct three bargaining chips and kill them outright. It is also quite amazing that the vaunted Israel security service didn’t find these colonists for so long on what we are told is such a tiny piece of ground…

Hamas kept Shalit for years and traded him back in good condition. This is not Hamas’ way, but it is the way of a ruthless Israeli leader and his terror machine in the quest for land that is not Israel’s and never will be. He said he would try and break the Palestinian unity government and this is his way. Why do you think Israel claimed to have left Gaza in the first place? To split the Palestinian polity. It Did Not Work and it never will.

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bbsnews wrote:

“1945″ Since it is not Israeli land that is impossible. Are you capable of grasping that Israel is trying to steal land OUTSIDE of its borders and that simply will not pass being a Crime Against Humanity and all…

Jul 01, 2014 12:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
cautious123 wrote:

Israeli “justice” — guilty until proven innocent…only Palestinians never get to be proven innocent. Israelis kill “suspects,” bomb their entire neighborhoods (illegal and disproportionae), destroy their family homes (illegel and disproportionate) and generally ignore laws and rights. But when Israel bombed Gaza and killed 1300 civilians — where was their so-called justice and morality?

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bbsnews wrote:

Just remember this. If Americans were invaded by an evil occupier with superior force who killed their families, livestock, livelihoods to steal our land and resources we would fight them to the death with everything we had like MacGivers. The Palestinians have the same right but this looks like Israel did this. Hamas would not murder bargaining ships, it is not their way. But it is the Israeli way to murder and maim little children and women. Israel must be stopped before we get yet another 9/11 because of American support for evil.

Jul 01, 2014 12:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
drmorocco wrote:

To understand the situation in Israel / Palestine you have to look at slavery in the US. Even in post Civil War (acutally up to the mid to late sixties) there were two classes of citizen. Israeli’s of course in the position of ruling whites while the Palestini’s take on the role as subhuman blacks. Shooting or lynching a black was not a major deal, after all they were an inferior race, the Palestine People are in that role. But if a superior Israeli is killed by an Arab then the whole world is expected to mourn and be indignant. Somebody important has died. One of God’s chosen. Hence Israel is justified in killing as many Arabs as they want. Suspect homes are destroyed, hundreds of Arabs living near the crime are imprisoned. Big deal they are not white.

Jul 01, 2014 12:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

“This kind of act is a sin, whether you’re a Muslim or Jew. They’ve scared the kids so much”
So kidnapping and brutally murdering three innocent teenagers isn’t?

No doubt the Hamas perpetrators were just released by Israel, as a sign of good faith to Abbas. That explains their presence in Hebron. Now they pay the price for this mercy?
“Someone lock the door and throw the key away, now.” -Jay & the Americans

Jul 01, 2014 12:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbsnews wrote:

“nagant” your idea of international law is quite quaint. When Israel is over-run by hordes of Arabs hellbent on revenge for Israel’s crimes, DO NOT refer to international law (you don’t understand it anyway). Because as you say, ‘might makes right’ and if the Arabs take over Israel ‘oh well says “nagant” America should have given the land back to the American Indians. (I am an American Indian BTW…)

Jul 01, 2014 12:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eileenfleming wrote:

Hearts are heavy over the 3 murdered Israeli youth and Israel’s killing of at least 5 Palestinians since the news of the kidnappings broke on top of the Israeli military imprisoning hundreds without charge, raiding and vandalizing hundreds of homes, some repeatedly, and demolishing at least two homes.

This response to the horrific murders of the yeshiva students will not bring peace, but only more turmoil and violence.

Last week Amnesty International USA sent a letter to key members of Congress regarding U.S. supplied military aid to Israel spurred by the ‘Trigger-happy Israeli army and police use reckless force in the West Bank‘ report published February 27, 2014 which documented cases of what appears may be war crimes by Israeli Occupying Forces.

Amnesty International USA is asking “the U.S. government to suspend transfers of munitions, weapons, crowd control devices, and military training to Israel. Such a suspension of U.S. arms transfers to Israel must be maintained until Israel puts in place effective mechanisms to ensure that these transfers will not be used to commit or facilitate violations under international humanitarian and human rights law.”

From 2009 to 2018, the United States is scheduled to give Israel–the largest recipient of U.S. assistance–$30 billion in military aid. Through its illegal 44-year military occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip, Israel misuses U.S. weapons in violation of U.S. law to kill and injure Palestinian civilians, destroy Palestinian civilian infrastructure, blockade the Gaza Strip, and build illegal settlements in West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Jul 01, 2014 12:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
REnninga wrote:

@Bakhtin wrote: “@REnninga What is your view on this? ….

[followed by numerous copied and pasted news story links/URL's]

“And do you have any comment on this?”

[followed by more news story URL's/links]

“Palestinians are monsters? Perhaps, but they do at least have the excuse of defending their land against the occupying Israelis – wouldn’t you do the same? If Palestinians are monsters for killing, then an open mind says that as most of the killing is done by (occupying) Israelis, they must be more monstrous.

Who knows? Perhaps those who killed these teenagers where related to a Palestinian murdered by Israeli settlers. We will never know, because they never got their day in court to give their side of the story.”

RESPONSE:
You should try paying attention to what people actually write, rather than how your emotions translate other’s words.

a). I did not write that “Palestinians are monsters”,
b). I am a strong supporter of the Palestinian people, and a support the creation of a Palestinian state.
c). I am opposed to continued Israeli occupation of the West Bank,
d). I am opposed to Israeli settlements in the occupied territories.

What I wrote is (quote): “Lest there be any question that HAMAS is an organization of monsters, the incarnation of pure evil, HAMAS leader Khaled Mashal addressed the kidnapping of these three Israeli teens for the first on Monday.
He did not confirm that HAMAS was behind the kidnapping, but added that “if there will be a confirmation that a Palestinian group is behind the kidnapping – we should applaud and take off our hats to them.”
In an interview with Al-Jazeera, Mashal said that he “blesses the hands of those who kidnapped them, since the Palestinian prisoners should be released from the Israeli prisons.”

HAMAS is an extremist, terrorist group, dedicated to the destruction of the nation of Israel and her people.
HAMAS leader, Khaled Mashal PRAISED the individuals responsible for the kidnapping of three innocent teenagers (children) on the day that their murdered bodies were found.
Mashal said that he “blesses the hands of those who kidnapped them…”

I repeat, HAMAS is an organization of monsters. The sooner the Palestinian people dispatch the monsters in their midst, and condemn the actions and rhetoric of that monstrous terrorist incarnation of evil which praises the kidnapping and murder of children, the sooner the Palestinian people will have their independent state, and live in peace and mutual prosperity with their neighbors.

Violence begets violence, begets violence, begets violence. There is no difference between violent original act, and violent act of retribution. Two wrongs do not make a right.

“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.” ~ Mahatma Gandhi

“The old law of an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent
rather than win his understanding;
it seeks to annihilate,
rather than to convert.” ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Jul 01, 2014 1:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbsnews wrote:

“doc62″ Please post your evidence that Hamas had anything to do with this. Israel can’t manage it, so let’s see you do it.

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NBE wrote:

I am expecting all-out war to start any minute. And my lifelong pacifist leanings are awfully quiet. It is, admittedly, emotional for me, and can’t be anything else, just as the ghastly murder of Drummer Rigby in the UK was. For those of us who are reacting out of emotion, not able to stand any more long drawn-out academic writing or talk about pacts and protocols and papers and treaties and first steps and shapes of the table and on and on and on—and how many ARE we?—this is a push over the edge.

Jul 01, 2014 1:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Obsilutely wrote:

Here again: Religious nuts killing each other because their stupid imaginary man supposedly promised them real estate.

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MacMan wrote:

I certainly hope that the killers of the three Israelis are caught and punished in accordance with the law.

But killing Palestinians in retaliation, at least some completely innocent, is hardly a civilized response.

Let us also not forget that the three teenagers are from an illegal settlement, built on what the rest of the world considers Palestinian land. Israel holds this land by the power of the gun and just like many of the Palestinians, teaches its children that some made up deity has given them such land.

It’s a vicious circle and if it’s to stop, both Hamas and Israel need a regime change, and both need to shake free of the stranglehold of nutty religious zealots.

Jul 01, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

I certainly hope that the killers of the three Israelis are caught and punished in accordance with the law.

But killing Palestinians in retaliation, at least some completely innocent, is hardly a civilized response.

Let us also not forget that the three teenagers are from an illegal settlement, built on what the rest of the world considers Palestinian land. Israel holds this land by the power of the gun and just like many of the Palestinians, teaches its children that some made up deity has given them such land.

It’s a vicious circle and if it’s to stop, both Hamas and Israel need a regime change, and both need to shake free of the stranglehold of nutty religious zealots.

Jul 01, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

I certainly hope that the killers of the three Israelis are caught and punished in accordance with the law.

But killing Palestinians in retaliation, at least some completely innocent, is hardly a civilized response.

Let us also not forget that the three teenagers are from an illegal settlement, built on what the rest of the world considers Palestinian land. Israel holds this land by the power of the gun and just like many of the Palestinians, teaches its children that some made up deity has given them such land.

It’s a vicious circle and if it’s to stop, both Hamas and Israel need a regime change, and both need to shake free of the stranglehold of nutty religious zealots.

Jul 01, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

I certainly hope that the killers of the three Israelis are caught and punished in accordance with the law.

But killing Palestinians in retaliation, at least some completely innocent, is hardly a civilized response.

Let us also not forget that the three teenagers are from an illegal settlement, built on what the rest of the world considers Palestinian land. Israel holds this land by the power of the gun and just like many of the Palestinians, teaches its children that some made up deity has given them such land.

It’s a vicious circle and if it’s to stop, both Hamas and Israel need a regime change, and both need to shake free of the stranglehold of nutty religious zealots.

Jul 01, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

I certainly hope that the killers of the three Israelis are caught and punished in accordance with the law.

But killing Palestinians in retaliation, at least some completely innocent, is hardly a civilized response.

Let us also not forget that the three teenagers are from an illegal settlement, built on what the rest of the world considers Palestinian land. Israel holds this land by the power of the gun and just like many of the Palestinians, teaches its children that some made up deity has given them such land.

It’s a vicious circle and if it’s to stop, both Hamas and Israel need a regime change, and both need to shake free of the stranglehold of nutty religious zealots.

Jul 01, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

I certainly hope that the killers of the three Israelis are caught and punished in accordance with the law.

But killing Palestinians in retaliation, at least some completely innocent, is hardly a civilized response.

Let us also not forget that the three teenagers are from an illegal settlement, built on what the rest of the world considers Palestinian land. Israel holds this land by the power of the gun and just like many of the Palestinians, teaches its children that some made up deity has given them such land.

It’s a vicious circle and if it’s to stop, both Hamas and Israel need a regime change, and both need to shake free of the stranglehold of nutty religious zealots.

Jul 01, 2014 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ThomasOne wrote:

how to rationalize why Hamas condoned this. they need their head examined. Rather than a heavy hand, a more precise hand is required. innocent people should not die, however a Hamas leader who condones this terror should get first hand experience. Israel needs to act in a manner than does not terrorize the innocent otherwise they will damage their cause.

Jul 01, 2014 1:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

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RNN: So talk about the latest news that three Israeli teenagers were found dead and what response we’re likely to see from Israel in the next few days.

LIA TARACHANSKY, MIDDLE EAST CORRESPONDENT: So two very significant things happened today, the first of which is that the government finally lifted the gag order on the Israeli press to reveal that the teenagers that they’ve been reporting for the last two weeks were kidnapped were actually dead. This is something the government started leaking to the press almost immediately after the operation began on the third day, but forbade the Israeli press from publishing it. Of course, without them publishing it, the foreign press couldn’t confirm it.

The second thing that happened today that was very important is that while all the turmoil was going on with the bodies of the three teenagers, which the government claims were found today–and, of course, the two weeks of bombardment of the Gaza Strip–the Israeli parliament passed a law today that would further entrench the Israeli occupation in East Jerusalem, making the division of Jerusalem in any future two-state agreement impossible.

RNN: Okay. And in regards to the Israeli teams, has anyone thus far claimed responsibility?

TARACHANSKY: No, no one has claimed responsibility. From the beginning no one has claimed responsibility. Meanwhile, the Israeli government, and especially the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, have insisted that it’s actually the fault of Hamas. Now, this is very important, ’cause it every single point where he appeared to the press and in public spheres, he insisted almost in the same sentence that while the teenagers were indeed kidnapped, maintaining the line, they were kidnapped by Hamas.

Meanwhile, when we compare this to every other incident that I’ve at least covered in my five years here and speaking to many veteran journalists, if the government actually has evidence that if they want to push forward live [sic], they almost immediately after the incident release the evidence. Oftentimes the evidence, you know, is not truthful–and we at The Real News have often proven that–but still they immediately after a claim release the evidence. Here they didn’t release the evidence, not immediately, not after, and not even now.

Meanwhile, the Israeli prime minister continued to say that this is the fault of Hamas. Now, Hamas itself as a party didn’t take responsibility for this. Not one of the many branches of Hamas, including the militant branches of Hamas, the Qassam Brigades, didn’t take responsibility for it. Neither did the usual suspects, the Wahhabis and the Islamic Jihad. Nor did the Fatah’s militant wing, al-Aqsa. So, as far as we know, none of the militant groups of the Palestinians have taken responsibility for it.

But the Hamas party refused to condemn it. In fact, they’ve actually said that whoever did this, you know, should be celebrated, which is what we would expect from a party that never gave up armed struggle.

Fatah, on the other hand, the Palestinian party that’s in charge of Palestinian Authority led by Mahmoud Abbas, has condemned the kidnapping almost on the second day since the–after the incident, but failed to condemn the Israeli government and the Israeli military’s numerous attacks on the Hamas party, including the arrest of more than 500 people in the last two weeks, the breaking into of 2,100 homes, the destruction of many of those homes, and the issue when you have more than 100 administrative detention orders to Hamas members.

Now, today the Israeli prime minister issued the following statement in the press:
“Immediately after the abduction, we said that Hamas was responsible. I think that it is now clear to everyone upon what we based ourselves. Abu Mazen [Mahmud Abbas] says that he opposes abductions; he says that he wants to proceed on the path to peace. If he stands by what he says, there is only one way to advance peace – and that is to tear up his agreement with Hamas.”
And this exactly is what this whole operation is about. The unity between Fatah and Hamas brought the latest in a series of political embarrassments to the Israeli prime minister, and he was adamant to break the unity between the two rivaling Palestinian political parties. Now it looks like the rage on the streets, on the Palestinian streets in the West Bank, as we’ve covered last week, has turned against the PA, and the Israeli government and the Israeli military at the same time have been crippling the Hamas party. So we’re seeing here both externally and internally a rift between the two parties, which will likely lead to the end of the unity.

Jul 01, 2014 2:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MonitorLizard wrote:

Bibi doesn’t even know for sure who was involved in these kidnappings so he’s just blindly bombing all Palestinians. The Israelis best not turn their backs just yet.

Jul 01, 2014 3:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbsnews wrote:

“1945″ It cannot be done. It’s Occupied Palestinian Territory. You’ll have to do it inside of Israel. Good Luck!

Jul 01, 2014 4:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Alcans wrote:

And my question is, how will all this help the dead rest easier from all the violence and tumult? I think the impassioned plea for peace should take precedence to resolve the matter.

Jul 01, 2014 6:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DrSaid wrote:

In principle, I condemn kidnapping wherever it came from, but we should understand the real picture, as those Jewish teenagers are part of those settlers, which I call criminal squatters. They are being fed by fanatic, narrow-minded rabbis, who indoctrinate them that in order to redeem their sins they have to kill Palestinians, poison their livestock, and burn their trees. This is what exactly happened in my little town of Burin at the outskirts of Mt. Gerizim. The settlers from Yitzhar poisoned my cousin’s livestock, burned my own olive trees I planted more than 65 years ago, and destroyed that beautiful Hoopoe nest that I used to watch when I was 8 years old. The Israelis are the biggest kidnappers in this planet. They kidnapped the whole country of Palestine. They are famous in inflicting total punishment on the population, just as the Nazis did to them. The Israelis arrested people who have nothing to do with that kidnapping, as more than 40 prominent Palestinians (many of them are legislatures) are among them, and bombed indiscriminately the people in Gaza as pretext of retaliating against terrorism. There is one quick solution — those settlers get the hell out of there, as settlements have been declared illegal by the whole world, including the United States. If they do not like this, then let the Israelis accept a democratic and secular state in Historic Palestine, where Jews, Christians, and Muslims can live under one Constitution with equal rights, like we have in the U.S. This was adopted by my county, Grant, Washington State at the Democratic County Convention in 1990, reaffirmed in 2010 and 2012. If they still don’t like it, let them go back to the countries where they came from, such as Former Soviet Union, Europe, etc., or let them come to a place that is peaceful, full of goodies, where their brotheren, the Jewish Zionists, own stocks, banks, Hollywood, the entertainment industry, the news media, congress, and the White House. This country is the United States, the truly promised land. The Palestinians, the native, will not move anywhere, as they have no place to go. The American people will not continue forever being fooled and influenced by the pro-Israeli lobbies to keep endangering their national security because of this terrible and blindly support.

Jul 01, 2014 7:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FreonP wrote:

@Reuters1945: So, the lawless act of a few men should be used to justify Israel seizing the land where they died and keeping it forever? If some Israeli criminals kill an Egyptian child in an Israeli city, does that area then become the property of Egypt to build a shrine upon? Please.

Jul 01, 2014 7:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
FreonP wrote:

The real problem for Hamas is that it praised the abductions, probably hoping to get the victims transferred to its custody to be used as bargaining chips. Now that the victims are dead, that praise has blown up in Hamas’ face. Now Hamas is seen as an accessory to the murder of children.

Jul 01, 2014 7:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbsnews wrote:

Thank you Rudy, if only Reuters would report like that there would be less risk to their cameramen, oh, wait a minute, you’re right, there would be more risks of your cameramen filming their own murder by the Israeli Defense Force. Still, it is part of the job to print the whole news as so many of us already knew it. The Hamas connection is made up BS and Bibi is using this to commit War Crimes in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Bibi is making things a whole lot more dicey for Israel; he is the REAL existential threat.

Jul 01, 2014 8:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbsnews wrote:

Hey “freon”, if Texas was invaded by Mexico and they stole their land and resources and killed their families like the Israelis have done to the Palestinians, said Texans would applaud each and every act against the evil occupier. It’s human nature, including your own. Stop trying to deny your own nature to the Palestinians. Most of the millions of them are quite innocent otherwise they would have come over the Apartheid Wall in their millions and already inundated Israel, the IDF would not be able to kill them all…

Jul 01, 2014 8:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Nagant wrote:

@bbsnews wrote:
” if Texas was invaded by Mexico and they stole their land and resources and killed their families like the Israelis have done to the Palestinians”
You got it absolutely wrong, it’s just the other way around. In fact, it was Mexico invaded by the USA. TX, AZ, NM, CA – all that used to be Mexican territory. All taken by the USA, by the force of arms. Even more, the American authorities grab the Mexicans who dare to cross the border into these states, and send them back to Mexico. And it’s all fine and legal, and I, as a US Citizen, fully support it. If I have any objections, it’s that I’d like to see even stricter interpretation and enforcement of immigration laws.
And, by the way, Mexican citizens committing murder in TX are getting what they justly deserved – appointments with the executioner. OTOH, Palis committing murders in Israel are getting free housing, healthcare, 3 square meals every day, and even college education on taxpayer dime, oh, sorry, that should be Shekel. So it’s much more just when they are shot dead while “fleeing” or “resisting arrest” or such.

Jul 01, 2014 10:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MacMan wrote:

@Nagant:

What part of “illegal settlement” are you having trouble comprehending?

Texas is in the US, according to internationally accepted boundaries.

Alon Shvut, which is where these teenagers lived, is an illegal settlement, outside of the internationally recognized borders of Israel.

Most reasonable people would agree that the murderers of these teenagers should be punished according to the law.

Just like most reasonable people agree that the indiscriminate collective punishment against the Palestinians is reprehensible, too.

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

The increasingly wackier Likudniks are simply using this tragedy to whip up their religious supporters and make sure whatever peace process the US and the EU are attempting to facilitate, is dead and burred.

Jul 01, 2014 12:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

@REnninga

As Hamas is the elected government of the Gaza Strip, and as such represent all the Palestinians in it, I think your distinction is kind of splitting hairs. Hamas are Palestinian and Palestinians support Hamas.

I can’t help getting the impression that you are blaming Hamas for Israeli actions. Hamas are not the problem here. Israel seizing, occupying, and settling Palestinian land is the problem. Removing Hamas would not stop that, and I can point to the West Bank as proof. They are not governed by Hamas, but those West Bank settlements… they just grow and grow.

Do you truly believe that if Hamas stopped resisting Israel, Israel would give Gaza independence? It is far more likely that Israel would annex the whole of Gaza and spin it as liberation.

Jul 01, 2014 12:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dock0 wrote:

I don’t know why all the news about Israeli strikes on HAMAS appear to be against physical facilities. It seems to me that proper revenge for the deaths of the 3 Israeli boys would be more aimed at shipping lots of Hammies off to islamic paradise, not blowing up buildings.

Jul 02, 2014 1:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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