Hollande, Merkel urge Putin to broker Ukraine ceasefire

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BraveNewWrld wrote:

Reuters reports:
“To this effect, they asked President Putin to intervene to encourage the separatists to negotiate and find an agreement with the Ukrainian authorities.”
Hollande and Merkel are due to hold a phone conversation with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in the coming hours, Hollande’s office added.

Well, sounds somewhat encouraging. Hopefully, upon this phone conversation with Poroshenko, Reuters would be able to report that,

“To this effect, they asked President Poroshenko to intervene to encourage the Ukrainian authorities to negotiate and find an agreement with the separatists.”

Jul 03, 2014 9:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

The same old Reuters reporting featuring some twisted logic as per BraveNewWrld’s comment and a blackout on the new Kiev atrocities. Here is the missing news:
http://rt.com/news/170104-ukraine-lugansk-shelling-airstrike/
http://rt.com/news/170032-lugansk-ukraine-shelling-airstrike/

Jul 03, 2014 11:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeaWa wrote:

Pretty please with sugar on top? Awww, aren’t those Europeans soooo cute. They just want to be friends with anyone they can get money or resources from.

Jul 03, 2014 12:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeaWa wrote:

Furthermore, they are begging for a bilateral ceasefire?! What about the fact that Russia is invading Ukraine? How about demanding that Russia goes home.

Jul 03, 2014 12:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

@SeaWa -
I wonder what you mean by “Russia is invading Ukraine”?
Is it the fact that Crimea voted to secede from Ukraine and join Russia or do you insist that the rebels are undercover Russian agents?

Jul 03, 2014 1:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

@SeaWa -
And the second question: Do you know where Ukraine is located?

Jul 03, 2014 1:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeaWa wrote:

@lub – I understand your sentiment. Although, the citizens of UKRAINE did not vote on the succession of Crimea. By the way, the vote to succeed was AFTER Russia occupied Crimea. I’m not villainizing the Russians. I really don’t know what is best in that part of the world. However, let’s call it for what it is. It was an occupation of Crimea followed by an invasion of Ukraine. I think Russia has full intention to integrate Eastern Ukraine, along with Crimea, into their territories. It’s that obvious.

But like I said, is that a ‘bad’ thing for the world? I really and truly don’t know. Putin is pretty slimy about it though.

Jul 03, 2014 1:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeaWa wrote:

‘sucede’…. darned spell check.

Jul 03, 2014 1:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

The citizens of Ukraine did not vote on the succession of Crimea. The vote to secede was AFTER Russia occupied Crimea. It was an occupation of Crimea followed by an invasion of Ukraine. Russia intends to occupy Eastern Ukraine, Crimea, Trans-Dniester, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia.

Sounds a lot like Operation Barbarossa (the code name for Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II).

Jul 03, 2014 4:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EconCassandra wrote:

@ 111Dave111 –

I get tired of people like you whining about something of which you know absolutely nothing about.

Crimea (i.e. the AUTONOMOUS Republic of Crimea) had every right to withdraw from is association with Ukraine, particularly since the duly elected government had been forcibly overthrown in what amounts to a military coup.

Any Russian troops in Crimea were there legally as part of the lease agreement with Ukraine on the Russian military base, for which Ukraine was getting a discount on their natgas.

There is NO invasion of Ukraine. It is the population of Eastern Ukraine, who are mainly of Russian heritage and share NOTHING in common with Kiev or the rest of the Ukraine who have lived there for decades and are being attacked by their own (illegal) government that you choose to call a Russian invasion.

How pathetic that you would be so ignorant of history as to compare this with Operation Barbarossa in which millions of Russians were massacred by the Nazis.

If the US finally succeeds in angering Russia, there is a substantial liklihood that the US draft will have to reinstated to bolster our completely demoralized and exhausted military.

I hope you and people like you end up being drafted and end up on the front one because you are too stupid to understand what is going on.

You are nothing but cannon-fodder, my friend.

Think about that next time you choose to mouth off.

Jul 03, 2014 6:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hahahappy wrote:

I am still waiting for the follow up phone call to President Poroshenko. He is probably to busy taking phone call from his buddies in the US.
Merkel and Hollande, I think, have had enough, they know Russia is not to blame, they know why all this is happening and they see the plan is not going to work. Europe knows all about war and they don’t want another one.

Jul 03, 2014 7:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kailim wrote:

Contrary to Obama and Kerry team, European leaders work hard in putting out the fire instead of adding fuel. They talk to both sides and mediate between them. Succeed or not, they have earned my respect.

Whereas Washington shows its staunch support of the Kiev government, which has not been elected by Eastern Ukrainians, without any reservation. Somebody even said ‘Kiev has the right to defend’ when it attacked the east. I think some Eastern Ukrainians would fight to the end when they heard that, because it seems Americans have denied their right to defend themselves.

Jul 03, 2014 8:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

From the Jamestown News, 1996.

DUMA EXPLICITLY CLAIMS SEVASTOPOL FOR RUSSIA.
Publication: Monitor Volume: 2 Issue: 200October 25, 1996 03:00 AM Age: 18 yrs
With no votes against and no sign of dissent, Russia’s Duma yesterday adopted an address to the Ukrainian parliament that made a direct claim to Sevastopol and, obliquely, to Crimea. The document argues that the Russian Federation is legal heir to the Russian Empire’s and the USSR’s sovereign title to Crimea and Sevastopol. It claims that the USSR leadership’s 1954 transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR was unlawful and anti-constitutional, and that in any case the transfer did not cover Sevastopol which — the address asserts — remains legally part of Russia. The Duma holds that “all of Ukraine’s unilateral acts asserting its jurisdiction over Sevastopol can not be recognized as legal,” and that Russia is the rightful holder of state jurisdiction over Sevastopol. (Itar-Tass, Interfax, October 24)

The Duma’s action attempts to upgrade the territorial claim from the political to the constitutional and state level. The Duma’s key argument is that the 1954 transfer of Crimea to Ukraine did not mention, and consequently left standing, a 1948 decision to place Sevastopol under all-Union jurisdiction. Sevastopol, it alleges, was until the dissolution of the USSR subordinated to and financed by the USSR, not Ukraine. Russia is legal successor is the USSR. However, this argument would seem to refer to Sevastopol’s naval base system, not to the city as a whole. The Ukrainian side correctly points out that after 1954 Sevastopol became one of two Ukrainian cities directly subordinated to republican authorities — the other one being Kiev itself — and that it was the Ukrainian state budget that financed Sevastopol’s expenses.

Jul 03, 2014 11:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

EconCassandra
I get tired of people like you whining about something of which you know absolutely nothing about.

You and Lub and Kailim and BraveNewWrld believe Putin’s Propaganda without thought.

Putin was not elected in any part of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Estonia, Latvia, or Lithuania, in fact you Russians are so used to czars and soviet dictators you don’t know what democracy is.

The people of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania hate Russian threats and domination.

Jul 03, 2014 12:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kailim wrote:

111Dave111,

Obama has not been elected in any countries you mentioned other than the USA.

Jul 04, 2014 7:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

Kailim wrote:
Obama has not been elected in any countries you mentioned other than the USA.
right, but the US/Obama are not hated by or threatening or dominating the people of Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

And the US/Obama are not hated by nor are threatening or dominating the people of Canada or Mexico. [I personally wish our historical record was better for Mexico and for Cuba, now.]

Jul 04, 2014 4:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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