Measure to repeal Seattle $15 minimum wage moves closer to ballot

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Obsilutely wrote:

Wait…weren’t conservatives just bragging about Hobby Lobby paying 15 an hour?

Interesting how $15 an hour was a good thing for a day or so, huh? Now back to enslaving the population while the rich live lavish lifestyles of excess at our expense….you know, they GOP way.

Jul 03, 2014 2:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Daleville wrote:

Oh, and I am sure that all businesses owned by people who vote for Democrats are paying $15 a hour or more.

Give me a break!

Jul 03, 2014 3:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Considering polls show a VERY large majority want the min. wage increased, I would seriously doubt this measure pass even if reaches ballot.

Jul 03, 2014 4:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

‘It will hurt workers because a number of businesses are preparing to move from Seattle or halt expansions, she said.’

‘Scuse me; ‘a number of businesses’??? how many? who are they? sounds like something pulled from a dark place. I smell bogus.

Jul 03, 2014 5:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

Some costs will be passed on to consumers, but other cost reductions may also occur as employee retention improves.

So anyway, let’s say the cost to consumers ends up being anywhere from 0.5% and 2%. On a $10 meal that would equate to 5 cents and 20 cents more. Paying people a livable wage also means less federal money need be spent on such things.

Jul 03, 2014 6:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
taggert wrote:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-05/washington-shows-highest-minimum-wage-state-beats-u-s-with-jobs.html

“Payrolls at Washington’s restaurants and bars, portrayed as particularly vulnerable to higher wage costs, expanded by 21 percent. Poverty has trailed the U.S. level for at least seven years.”

Same stupidity as in 1998. When will the stupidest business owners, those that do not seem to understand that if people… including their workers… have more money to spend on the companies product, the company will have more sales?

Seriously, every tie the minimum wage is set to be raised, it’s the same mentally challenged business owners who start spouting stupidity. 1998′s hike has been having major beneficial effects, even on the industries that screamed the loudest. When are these idiots finally going to learn something?

Jul 06, 2014 3:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
taggert wrote:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-05/washington-shows-highest-minimum-wage-state-beats-u-s-with-jobs.html

Some people just never learn.

Jul 06, 2014 4:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse

“…number of businesses are preparing to move from Seattle”

How exactly does a business move a restaurant?

Jul 06, 2014 4:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SixthRomeo wrote:

None of the businesses prove that they cannot afford to pay a minimum wage at that level. None of them prove that businesses would leave. I mean they are in Seattle, where are they going to go? Eureka?

Jul 06, 2014 7:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ExDemocrat wrote:

Folks in Seattle need to remember that they can’t make everything the way they like just by passing laws. A too-high minimum wage will result in fewer work hours, investment in machines that replace workers, more work burden on existing employees, and businesses moving away from Seattle. Washington State so far hasn’t been prominent among states that have been driving away their businesses and citizens with excessive taxes and regulations, but its citizens need to be careful.

To prevent problems, Washington State residents might want to read an article that came out in RealClear Markets on 7/3/2014 about this subject by Carson Bruno, entitled “As Its Businesses Flee, Is There Hope For California?” In sum, Bruno attributes California’s troubled business climate to: “high, overly complicated, and numerous taxes, expensive property, increasing energy costs, burdensome labor and environmental regulations, and a state legislature indifferent to business concerns.”

Jul 06, 2014 7:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
cado15 wrote:

@ExDemocrat
Only one of the problems cited by Mr Bruno can be attributed to high labor costs. The high labor costs are a by product of the high cost of living in CA not the reverse

Jul 06, 2014 8:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JustProduce wrote:

Easy monetary policy creates asset inflation. Labor is not an asset to a business but a liability (try using labor costs as collateral when borrowing from a bank).
If this does not explain why labor deflates reference to goods, I do not know what will. As we have attempted to inflate out of the hole, we increase the gap between what workers make and what workers consume.
But increasing the cost of labor is a temporary fix at best. As a driver for cost-of-goods-sold, artificial labor inflation will only push products-sold inflation higher. In other words, businesses will simply increase their selling price just as they would when oil goes up. In the end, the consumer simply runs in place. There is no progress. But at least politicians can claim they are doing something.
The issue is that they are trying to use fiat-labor-inflation to compensate for fiat-asset-inflation. The key word is “fiat”. They somehow think that decrees solve everything. This is the same mentality that has sunk Venezuela.
While the debate will certainly migrate towards the merit of higher wages, the problem is fundamentally elsewhere. If only our politicians had a clue.

Jul 06, 2014 9:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Thisismyname wrote:

But $15 is a livable wage. Its not a great life but people don’t have to get food stamps and can actually pay for stuff!

Jul 06, 2014 11:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jorge62 wrote:

Seattle is going to lose businesses and jobs.

Jul 06, 2014 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bastiattheman wrote:

Obsilutely- it’s sad that you can’t understand the difference and are still allowed to vote on important measures like this. Hobby Lobby is proof that you don’t need a Federal minimum wage for fair wages to be provided, indeed a fair wage is whatever agreement the employer and employee come to. What Seattle is trying to do, and I live in Seattle so it affects me greatly, is artificially increase the value of low-skill jobs. Guess who that helps? The HUGE corporations (which Seattle has many of) who can afford to take the extra hit in their margins. Small businesses already on the edge will be pushed over. It doesn’t even help workers because as soon as wages go up so will the prices.

Jul 06, 2014 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bastiattheman wrote:

Obsilutely- it’s sad that you can’t understand the difference and are still allowed to vote on important measures like this. Hobby Lobby is proof that you don’t need a Federal minimum wage for fair wages to be provided, indeed a fair wage is whatever agreement the employer and employee come to. What Seattle is trying to do, and I live in Seattle so it affects me greatly, is artificially increase the value of low-skill jobs. Guess who that helps? The HUGE corporations (which Seattle has many of) who can afford to take the extra hit in their margins. Small businesses already on the edge will be pushed over. It doesn’t even help workers because as soon as wages go up so will the prices.

Jul 06, 2014 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bastiattheman wrote:

Obsilutely- it’s sad that you can’t understand the difference and are still allowed to vote on important measures like this. Hobby Lobby is proof that you don’t need a Federal minimum wage for fair wages to be provided, indeed a fair wage is whatever agreement the employer and employee come to. What Seattle is trying to do, and I live in Seattle so it affects me greatly, is artificially increase the value of low-skill jobs. Guess who that helps? The HUGE corporations (which Seattle has many of) who can afford to take the extra hit in their margins. Small businesses already on the edge will be pushed over. It doesn’t even help workers because as soon as wages go up so will the prices.

Jul 06, 2014 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Saluki21 wrote:

@JustProduce – you nailed it. Right on the money.

Jul 06, 2014 11:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
100Kmilli wrote:

Obs, don’t be an idiot. The issue is not how much employees are paid or what their benefits are — the issue is government compulsion to mandate these things.

Jul 06, 2014 6:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ChadC wrote:

I guess what truly scares me is both sides are SO ignorant on the issue. Businesses are worried about things they really don’t have to worry about. You always have to increase wages as times go on. Prices increase and other such things go up. Business owners actually get richer but with more risk being taken. Now the low wage workers technically make more in theory but in reality everyone around them is making less while they are making the same. Businesses that WILL definitely leave Seattle are big box stores like target, best buy, and other similar stores because with the wage hikes they can’t really raise prices and still be competitive with Amazon and other states. Local restaurants, fast food joins won’t leave but you won’t see new ones popping up because they don’t want to take the risk with price hikes.

Jul 07, 2014 6:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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