On July Fourth holiday, Obama urges immigration overhaul

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carnivalchaos wrote:

“His drive for Congress to pass a comprehensive immigration overhaul this year collapsed when House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in Washington, told him the House would not hold a vote.”

This says it all. The Republicans in Congress should not get paid. If I did nothing on my job I’d be fired, as should Congressional Republicans. They consistently, year after year, avoid the hard work on the difficult issues, like healthcare reform, tax reform, and immigration reform. They’re worse than useless.

Jul 04, 2014 12:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
HORNET1 wrote:

It’s The Fourth of July and the illegals are proudly waving the Red, White & Green.

Jul 04, 2014 12:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mcundyf wrote:

Obama is a Muslim, who was born, according to his Older Brother Oblongo, in Kenya, and raised in Indonesia until age seventeen.
So Obama the Muslim, is the Enemy of America, and he is piece by piece destroying America.
And Americans are too stupid to see this.

Jul 04, 2014 12:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

malosi1040: Where exactly is the Republican immigration proposal? If it passed the House, it’s on record.

Jul 04, 2014 1:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bondcliff wrote:

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-most-dangerous-gangs-in-america.html

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bondcliff wrote:

http://www.criminaljusticedegreesguide.com/features/10-most-dangerous-gangs-in-america.html

Jul 04, 2014 1:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
GregWeld wrote:

Well thank God we have Republicans that see immigration a little differently. Democrats see it as – we give them free stuff for their vote….

Obama will go down as Americas WORST POTUS EVER. He might be a nice guy… but he’s a clueless nice guy.

Jul 04, 2014 1:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
suzyslegs wrote:

“We shouldn’t be making it harder for the best and brightest to come here.”
YOU Obama, are the one making it harder for the best and the brightest to come here! If you flood the USA with illegals and unparented children there will be neither resources for your current ‘needy’ nor any room left for the best and the brightest as even an enlarged immigration quota will be used up. And I’m keeping an eye on the quota percentage per country of your new proposed plan. Whites are already destined to be a minority, but if I see Islam take over as the majority religion in the USA, I’m outta here. Those of you who are glad to see me and my views gone, good luck to you, you’re gonna need it.

Jul 04, 2014 1:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speakerbliss wrote:

You anti-immigration folks are just too much. We all have came from immigrates at one time or another. The fact is with an aging population, low birth rate, we need more people to come in.

I guess the basic problem to many of you is the new arrivals are brown or yellow in most cases. The illegals as you call them, are just human beings, wanting a better life, can you really fault them for a basic human desire?

Jul 04, 2014 1:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lazywolf wrote:

There is nothing broken about our immigration policy. It’s all about a president that doesn’t want to enforce the laws that are already on the books. Regarding the current invasion of illegals on the border; even if you consider that that it was an unintended side effect of him publicly deferring the deportation of 800,000 young people (Dreamers), it still shows the gross incompetence of this presidency. I actually think that his administration was more directly complicit in the current invasion than anyone knows.

Jul 04, 2014 1:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CoastieGM wrote:

First things first. Secure the border first.

Reagan’s compromise with Democrats didn’t work. We’re not falling for that “reform” scam again.

Jul 04, 2014 2:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I see the xenophobes/ racists are popping up from the right, and here I thought the GOP said racism was dead.

Jul 04, 2014 2:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

Greystoke: “Over the last five years, the President stopped enforcing the immigration laws.”

I guess when the truth doesn’t serve you as you would like, you just make up lies, eh? And the lying rightwing propaganda machine just keeps up pumpin’ out those lies. I’ve never in my life heard so many lies as US conservatives regarding our President. It’s shameful and disgusting. Personally, I was raised better than that. The conservative movement here in the US is guided by a lowlife mentality.

Here’s the truth on Obama and illegal immigrants: “Since taking the oath of office, Obama has deported immigrants at a faster rate than any other president in US history, nearly a record 2 million people.”
http://www.thenation.com/article/179099/why-has-president-obama-deported-more-immigrants-any-president-us-history#

Not surprisingly, conservatives ran ads during the last election in states along the Mexican border aimed at Latinos stating the truth, that Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any other President.

Conservatives are so grossly dishonest that they want it both ways. Sometimes they want to claim that Obama’s not reinforcing immigration laws and failing to deport anyone. And other times, when it works for the right, they say Obama has deported the most illegal immigrants. At least the second attack is true. Why isn’t the truth important to you people? Do you have so little self-respect? Obama’s not enforcing our immigration laws; Obama is a socialist; Obama is a Muslim; Obama hates America; Obama went to India and cost tax payers $200 million a day; Obama went to Afghanistan and snubbed US soldiers; Obama put death panels in healthcare reform; Obama had “In God We Trust” removed from the Presidential gold coins; Obama traveled around the world apologizing for America; Obama might be the antichrist; Obama is the reason for the government’s poor response to Katrina; etc., etc., etc. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. It’s like you’re insane. Are you?

So the truth is that Obama IS enforcing immigration laws, more so than any other President, but in the meantime he’s trying to find solutions to our immigration problem, something Congress is utterly failing at, while trying to protect innocent immigrant children. It’s a tough needle to thread, but at least he’s trying to thread it, which is more than what Congress is doing. As usual, Obama’s trying to do the right thing, the heavy lifting that Congress refuses to do.

Jul 04, 2014 2:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

‘His drive for Congress to pass a comprehensive immigration overhaul this year collapsed when House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in Washington, told him the House would not hold a vote.’

Aye, there’s the rub – do-nothing GOP Congress Does NOTHING.

Jul 04, 2014 2:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
highfive wrote:

We just can’t have illegal immigrants here. We need a different, constructive plan.

Jul 04, 2014 2:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

lazywolf wrote:
‘There is nothing broken about our immigration policy. It’s all about a president that doesn’t want to enforce the laws that are already on the books…’
President Obama HAS been enforcing the laws on the books! look it up, more deportations than any other President, especially bush jr. Get away from Limbaugh, you might learn something…

Jul 04, 2014 2:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

carnivalchaos wrote:
‘ the truth is that Obama IS enforcing immigration laws, more so than any other President, but in the meantime he’s trying to find solutions to our immigration problem, something Congress is utterly failing at, while trying to protect innocent immigrant children. It’s a tough needle to thread, but at least he’s trying to thread it, which is more than what Congress is doing. As usual, Obama’s trying to do the right thing, the heavy lifting that Congress refuses to do.’

BINGO! The Party of Nothing is doing Nothing and trying to blame the President again. unreal. Btw; I’ve never seen so many con lies on a subject like immigration. Must be all they have, again.

Jul 04, 2014 2:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CoastieGM wrote:

Secure the border, then we can talk.

We’re not getting conned again like we did under Reagan in the 80′s.

Jul 04, 2014 2:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

After securing the borders, we can talk about tweaking quotas and temporary work permits. Any hints of amnesty and a path to citizenship only increases illegal entry into the United States. President Obama created this mess and “comprehensive immigration reform” has nothing to do with solving the problem.

Jul 04, 2014 2:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

malosi1040 wrote:
‘The flood of illegal criminals continues. The Obama administration has, for the past year, been sending a message to the south that you will not be deported.’

Maybe you can explain this fact then. You’re just spouting another flat-out con LIE. Here’s proof:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/19/high-rate-of-deportations-continue-under-obama-despite-latino-disapproval/

Get away from Fox/GOP entertainment and learn something.

Jul 04, 2014 2:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

If the Republicant’s had a comprehensive Immigration bill at all they might have some shred of credibility… but alas.

Jul 04, 2014 2:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

malosi1040: Just curious, why is this Obama’s fault and not Congress’s? What’s stopping Congress from doing something? For that matter, 3 of the 4 states bordering Mexico have Republican governors. Why are you letting THEM off the hook? Why is everything ALWAYS Obama’s fault? If Republicans are so useless and weak, why do you support them? If it’s so important to Republicans, why aren’t you pressuring Rick Perry to stop illegal immigrants from entering Texas?

Jul 04, 2014 2:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lag46 wrote:

@Carnevalchaos – The President’s concept of “comprehensive immigration reform” does nothing to address the problem of unchecked, illegal entry into the United States. Republicans took a position that they would cooperate on immigration reform once the borders are secured. The borders are not and have not been secure. The House is not obligated to carry water for the President and they are doing their best to kept this President’s excessive, liberal, debt-building agenda in check.

Jul 04, 2014 2:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

malosi1040: You can’t just remove a President from office unless they’ve committed a serious crime. Obama has not. Remember the Constitution? The Constitution protects the rights of Americans to have the President they want in office. Obama was duly elected by a majority of voters. He will remain our President until his second term is over. Then we’ll elect another Democrat, since the Republicans have all gone insane.

Jul 04, 2014 2:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sgaguy wrote:

The Whig Party of Georgia as offered a proposed immigration solution to the Illegal immigration problem.

We do agree that the United States of America is a nation built from immigrants. All we say is that all Immigrants desiring to become American citizens have skills and abilities to enhance the nation.

Any person or persons willing to enter the country legally and willing to do all the steps to become citizens have the opportunity to do so. They must have the ability to provide and support their own way with taking any tax supported programs. They must complete all required steps and be able to read and write American and pass the citizen required test for immigration. As well as prove they do not pose any criminal threat or past history of criminal activity.

No Illegal immigrant from any country should be given any advantage by illegally entering this country. If a person does not respect the laws of the nation they do not deserve the right to be a citizen.

Jul 04, 2014 3:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

Question: Why didn’t the bush/GOP ‘secure the border’ when they had Both Houses AND the Presidency? They were the Party of Nothing then too…

Jul 04, 2014 3:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

highfive wrote:
‘We just can’t have illegal immigrants here. We need a different, constructive plan.’

Ok, where is it? Laws originate in the GOP Congress (according to the US Constitution) – where is the bill from Congress? There is NONE!

Jul 04, 2014 3:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

lag46 wrote: ‘Republicans took a position that they would cooperate on immigration reform once the borders are secured…’

secured borders defined by whom? see, that’s just a con smokescreen – nothing quantifiable or real at all. try again

Jul 04, 2014 3:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

dualcitizen wrote:
‘Harry Reid is stopping Congress. Just about anything the House does, he refuses to bring to a vote in the Senate.’

Really? if that isn’t a Lie, tell us the number of the GOP House Comprehensive Immigration Bill. Otherwise, it’s just more con Jingoism.

Jul 04, 2014 3:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

btw; Does Any con have a list of the bills Reid is stopping? Nobody will answer that so far so I have to assume it’s just more Limbaugh ‘dittoheads’ talking.

Jul 04, 2014 3:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

dualcitizen wrote:
‘Harry Reid is stopping Congress. Just about anything the House does, he refuses to bring to a vote in the Senate.’

Please tell us you know, according to the Constitution, that bills originate in the House and then go to the Senate. And the current GOP house has done NOTHING. How can Reid stop something that doesn’t exist?

Jul 04, 2014 3:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
REnninga wrote:

@malosi1040 wrote: “…Someone needs to remove Obama from office…”

RESPONSE:
That reads a lot like a threat. Is that your intent?

Jul 04, 2014 3:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
REnninga wrote:

The whole lot of you should stop for a moment and take a quick look at the calendar. On this day of all days you should knock off the self-segregated, tribal, sectarian hyper-partisan socio-political rhetoric and spin, …and instead just celebrate being an American.

If you continue to identify first as republican, democrat, conservative, liberal, libertarian, progressive, … before you identify as being an American, you have somehow missed the whole point of why we celebrate this day. Knock off the juvenile, hyper-partisan rhetoric, and instead contribute something positive and uplifting to our country.

Some of you appear to believe that your constant tearing-down what others have built, and are trying to build, is somehow contributing. The reality is that your always polarized and divisive words and constant “I’m right, and you’re wrong” squabbling is just what it seems; all you are doing is destroying, any way you spin it.

Just knock it off.

Jul 04, 2014 4:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

Enough with the conservative lies. You people lie so much you can’t distinguish between truth and fiction. Don’t you people have any self-respect?

dualcitizen: Instead of blaming Harry Reid or Obama for the Republicans unwillingness to do anything, try challenging yourself by being specific. What specific bills have passed in the Republican House that Harry Reid is refusing to vote on in the Senate? If they pass the House, then there’s a record of the bill. You wrote, and I quote, “Harry Reid is stopping Congress. Just about anything the House does, he refuses to bring to a vote in the Senate.” Can you give us a few examples? In particular, I’m interested in what comprehensive immigration bill has been passed by the Republican House that Reid is preventing from voting on in the Senate.

Here’s why your post is puzzling to me. Just the other day John Bohner told Obama that there wouldn’t be any immigration reform bill coming from Congress this year, which contradicts your statement. Are you saying Bohner is lying? Or the Republican immigration bills you’re referring to were passed in the House and no one told Bohner. Which is it? What specifically is the Republican immigration bill?

When did the feds sue a state for securing their borders? I know Arizona was sued when they passed a law allowing police to pull anyone over and ask for their papers–”Your papers, please.” They were sued because it’s unconstitutional. That’s the states’ only restriction: It has to be constitutional. With that in mind, what is stopping the states from securing their borders?

lag46: If comprehensive immigration reform is really that important to Republicans, why would they refuse to act on it until the President secures the borders? That doesn’t make sense. Why doesn’t Congress secure the borders? Or the states? There’s nothing to prevent Congress from securing the borders. Why aren’t you upset with the Republicans in Congress for refusing to secure the borders?

Jul 04, 2014 4:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jim88 wrote:

How about follow the immigration laws already on the books!

Jul 04, 2014 6:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

Carny,
this isn’t a state issue…its a Federal issue, otherwise when a state tries to enforce laws dealing with illegal immigrants, what right would the Feds have to counter it…has this happened? as usual, the demos will not allow anyone to question them or hold them accountable…always wanting to blame the republicans. the demos will never accept responsibility…if it has been a problem in this term it was the BUSH years that caused the problem.

Jul 04, 2014 6:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

Calfri: The truth of the matter is that Republicans don’t want to fool with immigration reform because it’s too politically risky. That’s one of the problems with the Republican Party. They refuse to do any of the heavy lifting that they need to be dealing with as the majority party in the House. This is why they shunned Obama and the Democrats on healthcare reform.

We’ve been needing healthcare reform for decades. It has consistently been among Americans top concerns for a long time, which is why Obama promised to tackle it if he were elected. He got elected and what was his approach? He decided to ignore his own constituents, who wanted a single payer system, and instead got behind a Republican plan with the idea that he’d be opening the door for a bi-partisan healthcare reform bill. He tried over and over to reach out to the Republicans, but they refused to cooperate, even though it was a Republican plan. The Republicans’ only cared about killing the bill.

Remember those death panels? That was originally a Republican idea, and a good one at that. It allowed insurance to cover end-of-life consultations with doctors and legal professionals so that families were informed about their options. That was it. It was considered a good idea because too many times when a loved one is on life support families don’t know what they should do or what options they have. They are often taken advantage of by hospital administrators. It wasn’t leaving life and death decisions up to government bureaucrats, like Sarah Palin and other Republicans claimed. Anyway, Democrats added this Republican recommendation to the bill and then the Republicans turned right around and burned them on it. So it was dropped from the bill and once again the American people paid the price for partisan games.

The original bill also included a “public option,” which would have been a government run insurance option. It’s really a good idea because government could offer insurance at lower rates since they wouldn’t have to worry about pleasing the stock holders with massive profits. It could have kept insurance prices down. As with everything associated with healthcare reform, the Republicans opposed it. Joe Liebermann, backed by the insurance industry, said he’d oppose any healthcare legislation that contained a public option and that gave Republicans enough votes to kill the entire bill. So the public option was dropped and once again the American people are the losers.

So the same thing is happening with immigration reform. The Republicans don’t want to touch it for fear of paying a political price. There’s been very few Republican immigration proposals and those get killed by other Republicans. Rep. Jeff Denham offered an immigration proposal but it was killed by House Armed Services Committee Chairman McKeon, Republican. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/04/04/gop-push-for-immigration-reform-thwarted/ John Bohner himself said they weren’t interested in tackling immigration reform this year, and he’s the House Speaker.

So let’s not try to blame this on Democrats. The Republicans are afraid of their own constituents. Any Republican who dares to work with Democrats on immigration reform risk being primaried from the right by a Tea Partier who will promise not to compromise on anything with Obama and the Democrats. And that’s the problem. It needs to be done, Republicans won’t do it, and they won’t let Democrats do it. Same thing with healthcare reform, and probably the same thing on tax reform, if tax reform includes raising taxes on the rich or even just cutting tax loopholes. Something has to give because ignoring our problems doesn’t make them go away.

Jul 04, 2014 6:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

2013: Can you be more specific? What exactly have the states tried to do that the federal government won’t let them? I’m confused because as long as it’s constitutional, I don’t see how the federal government CAN stop the states. As I already pointed out, this was an issue with the bill Arizona passed, Arizona SB1070. This was only challenged because it was seen as unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court agreed that 3 of the bill’s 4 main provisions was unconstitutional. So that’s how that works. So, what exactly are you referring to that the states have tried to do by the feds won’t let them

Jul 04, 2014 7:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

9825: As a paid poster you should at least try to be specific. For example, what laws are the President refusing to enforce and what is preventing Congress from enforcing them?

Your posts sound just like that other paid poster’s, you know, the guy with a username just like yours, 4 digits ending in 25, and doesn’t give the public access to your posting history.

Jul 04, 2014 9:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

carny,
the easiest way to answer this is to look at the Border Patrol Agents (i.e., are they federal agents (e.g., U.S. Customs and Border Control) or state agents). Thus, anyone in this country illegally is a result of the federal government not performing its job.

Jul 04, 2014 10:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

ready2013: I didn’t ask for the easiest way to answer the question. My question was quite clear. What exactly have the states tried to do that the federal government won’t let them?

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carnivalchaos wrote:

9825: Can’t you think for yourself? That seems to be a problem with conservatives. They’re unable to analyze things and draw their own conclusions, so they rely on FOX News, radical rightwing AM talk radio, and other sources of biased opinion. You don’t answer a question by posting a link to an opinion editorial. At best, that gives me someone elses opinion of something. So I ask you, what laws are the President refusing to enforce and what is preventing Congress from doing something about it themselves?

I ask this question because there is a fundamental flaw in the rightwing position. They’re always demanding more state’s rights, but when a challenging problem arises, they seem too content to sit back and blame Obama. It’s beginning to look ridiculous. My question is really an obvious response to a genuine problem. If the fed response to protecting the borders is insufficient, why don’t the Republicans do something themselves? Or tell me where in the Constitution it says that only the President is allowed to make decisions affecting the security of our borders.

Republicans are always playing this lame game. They sit back and constantly criticize the President, but they so seldom proffer any solutions themselves. I honestly can’t fathom why anyone would vote for a Republican. They are opposed to the very democratic principles our Republic was founded on. They’re utterly useless. They do nothing but whine. They’ve attacked Obama for adopting a Republican healthcare plan but don’t bother offering a better idea. They criticize the President for implementing executive privilege on issues that the Republican Congress fails to address themselves. They attack Obama’s foreign policy and can’t seem to come together with any sound recommendations of their own. Once Obama gets the last of the American troops out of Afghanistan next year, we’ll be free from any serious military conflict for the first time in nearly 12 years, and Republicans act like that’s a bad thing. They didn’t even congratulate him when bin Laden was brought down, yet it was all praise and glory when Bush commandeered an aircraft carrier and fighter jet so that Bush could come flying in on the jet and step out onto the deck of the Carrier with a huge banner behind him reading, “Mission Accomplished.” And no mission had been accomplished! Getting bin Laden was accomplishing a mission. Now what do you think the Republicans would have done if Obama commandeered an aircraft carrier and had a jet pilot fly him in, everyone on board saluting the Commander-In-Chief proclaiming “Mission Accomplished” even though a very important mission had indeed been accomplished?

So now the Republicans are shirking their responsibilities on immigration reform. They end up doing nothing, which is all they ever seem to end up doing. They’re useless.

Jul 04, 2014 12:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
REnninga wrote:

To @9825 and @4825. You have been asked several times by several other commenters to please tell us how, and why you have concealed your user profiles?

Unlike other Reuters users you have made it impossible for others to view any of your hundreds of previous Reuters comments by clicking your screen names. Reuters has no record of any of your comments.
And you never respond to other user’s queries about this.

You write exactly alike, under both the ’4825′ and ’9825′ user ID’s. And under both screen names you frequently suggest others are “paid liberal posters”, …as if you have some particular insight into being paid to post.

Are you the same person using two separate screen identities, or are you part of some group with a specific agenda?

Did you hack Reuters? Is that why you don’t show up in their system?

Jul 04, 2014 12:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

concealing info (profile, previous post) by @9825 and @4825 is akin to not having voter id. I believe that voter id is more important that 9825 & 4825 revealing their post.

Jul 05, 2014 7:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ready2013 wrote:

carny,
yes you are correct. I did not answer your question. the issue really in question was if it was a state issue or not. thus answering your question would have started us on another rabbit chase.
if a supreme court rules that laws by states is not constitutional, then that is in affect saying that the states do not have the constitutional power to enact and enforce those laws. And if the federal government is responsible, then the federal government is preventing states to take matters in their own hands.

Jul 05, 2014 7:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
smith_9000 wrote:

The problem is that Obama does not want immigration reform, he wants amnesty for people who knowingly came into this country illegally. NO!!! Lawlessness should not be tolerated and certainly not rewarded. Build a wall & send the illegals back. The message should be that the route to the US is only via lawful means.

Jul 05, 2014 7:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

“At the White House ceremony, 25 people were sworn in as citizens. They came from 15 countries ranging from Australia to Guatemala to the Philippines to Ukraine.” – the article failed to mention if these 25 new citizens applied for immigration the legal way. Bet they did.

Jul 05, 2014 9:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

stambo2001: If you had read the dam article you’d know. Duh.
“We have to fix our immigration system, which is broken, and pass common-sense immigration reform,” Obama said at a White House ceremony for 25 foreign-born men and women who gained American citizenship for their service in the U.S. military.”

Common sense immigration reform. The door is open to the Republicans to define that. They won’t, because they’re not interested in doing their jobs. They shouldn’t be paid.

Jul 05, 2014 10:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

ready2013: In other words, you can’t answer the question. I didn’t think so. That’s because it’s not about anything except attacking the President. So you people make crap up, like illegal immigration is Obama’s fault. Obama’s fault? Why Obama’s fault? Why don’t the Republicans do something about it? Why don’t the states do something about it? Oh. Uhh…uh…because it’s Obama’s fault.

Jul 05, 2014 10:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

carnivalchaos…I live in Arizona. Sheriff Joe Arpaio has tried to enforce the law on illegal immigrants. The Fed has blocked him virtually every step of the way. Obama doesn’t want to deport the illegals in this country. He wants to give them a path to citizenship. Illegal immigration exploded during the Bush administration with very few being deported. So I don’t think the Republicans have much of a leg to stand on either (Obama isn’t enforcing the laws). Particularly when their party had control they ignored the laws. This is the problem with our government in general. No one is willing to do their job, less they don’t win re-election. EVERYONE in the government from Obama down (including Congress) is at fault.

Jul 05, 2014 11:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

EconCassandra..as usual your comment is over the top. If you are referring to illegal immigration..then the Republicans are even worse. Simply look at the number of illegal immigrants that entered this country when they had both houses and the presidency. And how few were deported. Republicans don’t have a plan for illegal immigration. Enforcing the laws? They didn’t do it. Rather than having a plan, they simply blame Obama. It’s debatable which party and which individuals are causing more damage to this country.

Jul 05, 2014 12:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tatman wrote:

as an immigration crisis unfolds for all of america and the world to see, the president asks for cooperation and help from congress. what does he get from the republicans? obstruction. NOTHING.

yet these republicans/tea party/conservative extremists scream and vent their hatred at every opportunity, blaming obama for this problem and everything else.

republicans are racist, abhorrent, selfish, ignorant and hateful people. nothing more needs to be said about the party of “NO!”…

Jul 05, 2014 12:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Breadie wrote:

/quote
This says it all. The Republicans in Congress should not get paid.

not that I much disagree with the sentiment, but the idea of ‘by executive order’ just opening the borders to everyone and anyone who wants to come here, plus the social programs the citizens have to pay for, plus the medical care the citizens pay for . . . no – it’s not going to work – that’s why it is being blocked.

POTUS: “We will not negotiate” – now _that_ says it all.
yes, you’re right – it’s out of context – which covers about 423.85% of the comments here.

Jul 05, 2014 12:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speakerbliss wrote:

A majority of Americans polls continue to show want immigration reform and have no problem for a path to citizenship. The reality is, no one is going to deport 11-million people already here. So start working on a solution, quit your bitching and no one is going to impeach Obama.

Jul 05, 2014 12:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EconCassandra wrote:

For those of you arguing that the Republians are not doing their job, you are wrong.

According to the Constitution, Obama does NOT have the right to create laws. ONLY Congress has that right.

For Obama to threaten Congress for not acting is an act that borders on treason, since he is publicly attempting to undermine the Congressional authority of Congress which he has sworn to obey.

The Senate has the absolute right to remove Obama for treason, including high crimes and misdemeanors.

I think he should be impeached and brought before the Senate to justify his actions, at the very least.

Jul 05, 2014 12:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ..as you wish. Since you apparently are unable to do research yourself. Here are the total number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. from 2000 to 2012 (last year of statistics).

2000 8.5M
2001 7.8M
2002 9.4M
2003 9.7M
2004 9.3M
2005 10.5M
2006 11.6M
2007 11.8M
2008 11.6M
2009 10.8M
2010 11.6M
2011 11.5M
2012 11.7M

The number of illegal immigrants in this country is virtually unchanged since 2007. But before any one takes credit. The economic explosion in 2008 and massive loss of jobs in the country has been the driver that has virtually stopped an increase in the number of illegal immigrants. No Jobs..no immigration.

HOWEVER, before the economic explosion. During the Bush administration 2000 to 2008. Illegal immigrants increased by 3.3M. An increase of 39%. Thus my claim that Republicans have not enforced illegal immigration laws.

Virtually every president to ever hold office has used Executive Order as a way of getting around Congress. This is not an Impeachable offense. However, there is a remedy. Congress can take the President to the Supreme Court and have those orders reversed if they are found to be unConstitutional. Such was the case of Obama’s NLRB appointments. Like I said. As usual your comments are over the top.

BY the way Econ..I don’t believe I’ve seen one piece of substantiated fact or data to back up any of the comments that you’ve made. Wouldn’t that qualify as “inane chattering”.

Jul 05, 2014 1:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lanfrancobz wrote:

The immigration reform is dead because the Senate bill is not a balanced and suitable proposal. A 1000 pages bill doesn’t work. It will create the same havoc of today with good environment for every kind of illegalities. The only solution is a fresh start in the next Congress.

Jul 05, 2014 1:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ..debatable who the moron is…in addition to the quote below, you might want to check out Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution.

“The Supreme Court has a special role to play in the United States system of government. The Constitution gives it the power to check, if necessary, the actions of the President and Congress.
It can tell a President that his actions are not allowed by the Constitution. It can tell Congress that a law it passed violated the U.S. Constitution and is, therefore, no longer a law. It can also tell the government of a state that one of its laws breaks a rule in the Constitution.
The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all — the Constitution.”

Jul 05, 2014 1:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
geezer117 wrote:

All Democrats have to do to break the blockage on reform is agree to secure the border first. That’s it. But Democrats won’t even go that far toward compromise. They want everything they demand up front and complete before they will consider compromise on the details.

But it’s all Republican’s fault, right?

Jul 05, 2014 1:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

geezer117….kindly read my last couple of comments…then post an substantiated source that shows that Republicans have ever formally proposed such an action. Republicans had a chance from 2000 to 2006 when they had total control and illegal immigration was exploding and they didn’t do it. Fact is…neither side is serious about dedicating the resources necessary to close the borders. $50 says that if the Senate passed a single item bill providing the resources to seal our southern border that it couldn’t pass in the Republican dominated House. I’m not sure Boehner would even let it come up for a vote. No one wants to carry that baggage during an election year. No one wants to be on record for voting for such legislation.

Jul 05, 2014 1:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

xyz2055: “The Fed has blocked him virtually every step of the way.”

What laws have the feds blocked Sheriff Joe Arpaio from enforcing? Correct me if I’m wrong, but the feds can’t stop Arizona from enforcing laws unless those laws are unconstitutional, and that’s determined by the Supreme Court. One such Arizona law WAS found to be unconstitutional, or at least most of it (Arizona SB1070). Therefore, your complaint isn’t that the feds are refusing to enforce the laws. Quite the opposite. The feds ARE enforcing the laws, as defined by the Constitution, and that seems to be what you and others are complaining about. Geez, our President can’t seem to do ANYTHING right. He’s either wrong for not enforcing the laws or wrong for enforcing them.

“Obama doesn’t want to deport the illegals in this country.”
Again, Obama is at fault no matter what he does. Obama has actually deported more illegal immigrants than any other President, yet you post that Obama doesn’t want to deport illegals:

“President Barack Obama has repeatedly declared himself a champion of immigration reform, including a legalization program for millions of immigrants in the country illegally.

But among some immigration-reform supporters — historically Obama’s political allies — the president has been branded the opposite: “deporter in chief.”

That reputation has been further cemented by a milestone being protested today by immigrant advocates in Arizona and around the country: Under Obama’s administration, the U.S. has exceeded 2 million deportations.

The milestone is significant because it means Obama’s administration has deported more people than any other president’s.” http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/05/obama-exceeds-million-mark-deportations/7340419/

So it looks like Obama’s dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. In my book that means he’s probably got it about right. He’s enforcing the laws currently on the books while trying to find a better way of dealing with the illegal immigrant problem. Doesn’t that sound like the right thing to do?

You might also want to read the following article from the Wall Street Journal, which is hardly a supporter of Obama’s. The President is requesting additional funds from Congress to speed up the process of sending the illegal immigrant children back to their native countries. Where are the Republicans on this? Obama’s doing his part. What are the Republicans doing?
http://online.wsj.com/articles/obama-seeks-2-billion-to-address-surge-in-illegal-border-crossings-1404022834

Again, this article points out the difficulty that Obama is faced with, one he’s confronting. He gets criticized from both the left, for doing too much, and the right, for not doing enough. It’s just wrong to go around stating that Obama isn’t enforcing the laws, especially when you turn right around and complain when he DOES enforce the laws.

One last point. One of the problems that the feds are running into in dealing with illegal immigrants is funding. Republicans want to keep cutting federal spending. They’re mostly indiscriminate in what funding they cut. They don’t seem to care. They just want to cut funding. It plays well with their constituents. “I’m against federal spending!” I’ve been on here many times insisting that conservatives be specific about what funding they want cut, and rarely do they give specifics. They like to generalize a lot. It’s much easier. Well, here’s an example of the problem with simply cutting funding for everything. We can’t have it both ways. You can’t properly deal with border security without the proper amount of funding.

Jul 05, 2014 2:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ..are you really that obtuse? Use of executive order was validated by the Supreme Court decades ago. Congress is not the final word. I have no idea what Obama plans to do regarding Immigration Reform, but if he wishes to use Executive Order he can. Congress can also challenge any Executive Order he puts his pin to. The Supreme Court will decide whether or not Obama’s action are Constitutional. This is what the Supreme Court does! THIS IS the Constitutional process in our country. Go look at the Executive Orders that Bush did. He appointed an Ambassador during Congressional recess because they wouldn’t.

Jul 05, 2014 3:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gnadfly wrote:

Thousands of unaccompanied illegal immigrant children are on the border because Obama sent signals that it was ok for them to come. Their blood and problems are on his hands.

Jul 05, 2014 3:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ…I’ll post this for you again. You are citing opinion and not fact!

“The Supreme Court has a special role to play in the United States system of government. The Constitution gives it the power to check, if necessary, the actions of the President and Congress.
It can tell a President that his actions are not allowed by the Constitution. It can tell Congress that a law it passed violated the U.S. Constitution and is, therefore, no longer a law. It can also tell the government of a state that one of its laws breaks a rule in the Constitution.
The Supreme Court is the final judge in all cases involving laws of Congress, and the highest law of all — the Constitution.”

Read that last sentence again. It doesn’t matter where a Constitutional issue arises in our system of government. Whether it be in the judicial system (hundreds of judicial cases go to the Supreme Court every year for resolution), State and Federal Legislature or Executive Branches. The Supreme court has the final word and it isn’t challengeable. To change that would require a Constitutional Amendment. Good luck with that.

Jul 05, 2014 3:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

I see the liberals on here didn’t take too long to pull the race card out.

The purpose of our immigration system is to screen people to come into the country, make sure they are not carrying diseases (many of the children crossing the border now are riddled with scabies), and make sure they integrate into our society.

What is happening at the border is not immigration. It is an illegal invasion of our country by millions of people who seek to use all of the resources we have available, work at a cheaper rate than you, send the earnings south to family members, and then leave. Others come to set up shop for their drug cartels. Some just come to live off of all of the free services being advertised by the Democrats, with no intention of working at all.

We have many legal Mexican, Central American, and South American immigrants who are part of the country and followed the correct process, and we welcome them to the USA. Do not insult these people by comparing them to the leeches that are bypassing our immigration system.

Jul 05, 2014 3:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

carnivalchaos….thanks for cherry picking my comments. Obama is also pushing for the elements of the Dream Act which the Republicans clearly have a problem with. The words amnesty and path to citizenship are not in their vocabulary. To your point, the Republicans are blaming Obama for a failed immigration policy and say the reason is because he simply isn’t enforcing the laws on the books. Their statement, not mine. Perhaps YOU could enlighten us all on the laws currently on the books and how Obama is enforcing them. The problem with the Republican argument is that illegal immigration exploded last time they had control of our government. Are the laws flawed or were the Republicans simply ignoring them then? I point out how both sides are to blame for this impasse. Do a little research on Sheriff Joe. I’m not doing all the research for you and Econ.

Jul 05, 2014 3:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ…”THUS, ALL SUPREME COURT DECISION SINCE MARBURY V. MADISON ARE INVALID.” Seriously? Where did you get this idea…The Blaze?

Jul 05, 2014 3:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

EconCassandra: The Constitution is not a contract. It’s a stated legal structure in which our government is to function under. It’s a framework that lays out the law of the land, necessarily basic in its design so that it could remain flexible and, thus, viable for future generations. To argue that something must be expressly defined in the Constitution to be considered legal, or illegal, would doom our Constitution to antiquated uselessness. As xyz2055 correctly points out, it’s the job of the Supreme Court to interpret the meaning of the Constitution as applied to more specific legal cases. Furthermore, it is OUR document. To declare that all decisions since Marbury v. Madison are invalid, pretty much invalidates everything this country has done, at least from a legal standpoint as defined by our Constitution. But as I hope you can see, this is hardly the case. You declaring everything invalid does not make it invalid. It’s like King George III declaring the colonies and their newly declared independence invalid. That doesn’t make the US invalid.

Jul 05, 2014 3:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

carnivalchaos…one final word on Obama, Immigration and the Dream Act. While I’m an Independent, and absolutely no fan of the current Republican party make-up…I do agree with them on this issue. How do you justify rewarding illegal immigrates by giving them a chance to be citizens after they broke the laws to get here? That just doesn’t make sense. These people have already demonstrated they have no regard for our laws.

Jul 05, 2014 3:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

xyz2055: I certainly didn’t cherry pick you comments. My points regarding your comments were crystal clear. Don’t try to obfuscate. You said that “Sheriff Joe Arpaio has tried to enforce the law on illegal immigrants. The Fed has blocked him virtually every step of the way.” That’s plain enough. I simply asked what laws are the feds blocking? This isn’t cherry picking. I’m merely asking you to be more specific about a convenient generalization you made. I’m not going to go searching for something I don’t believe exists in the first place. That would be like me claiming that several people are receiving communications from alien planets and when you ask what planets, I tell you to do your own research. How would that work for you?

Besides, I DID look into it. I even stated that. I gave you an example of the only law that I’m familiar with that the feds have blocked, Arizona SB1070, most of which the Supreme Court found to be unconstitutional. So I merely asked, what other laws are the feds blocking that the good sheriff is trying to enforce? You say he’s “tried to enforce the law on illegal immigrants” and that the feds have “blocked him virtually every step of the way.” The law on illegal immigrants covers a lot of ground, therefore, according to you the feds are stopping Sheriff Joe on a lot of laws. Besides Arizona SB1070, which was found to be mostly unconstitutional, what other immigration laws is Sheriff Joe being prevented from enforcing?

Jul 05, 2014 4:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

EconCassandra: Settle down. Sorry, but I had to report you for that last post. “YOU PEOPLE NEED TO BE REMOVE FROM THIS COUNTRY, BY RAILROAD CAR IF NECESSARY, AS WE DID LAST TIME.”

That kind of crap is intolerable. As we did last time? What does that mean? Let’s see, the Nazis did it to the Jews. Is that what you mean?

Jul 05, 2014 4:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ..deliberate stupidity is using wikipedia as a source. It is well known that it is the most unreliable source for information on the net. Back up your claims by citing the specific Constitutional Article or Amendment that applies.

You are correct. Congress has the power to Impeach and remove the President from office. Did I miss a news report? I have seen no such statement that Congress has any intention of taking such action or a list of the impeachable actions taken by the President. The only place I’ve seen this mentioned is by “nut jobs” on these comment boards. It also takes a majority of both Houses to Impeach a President. I have seen that the House intends to sue the President for use of Executive Action. They are perfectly within their rights to do so, however these are not impeachable offenses. NOW, if the Supreme Court rules against the President and he defies their order…you might have a case.

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Jul 05, 2014 4:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TPAINE3 wrote:

How about this for a thought? Instead of using “a phone and a pen” and creating a “Dream Act” on your own, just enforce the laws ALREADY on the books??
Just a thought.

Jul 05, 2014 4:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ…you are the most delusional person I’ve encountered on the net. You believe you are right regardless of the facts. For example, the Supreme Court continues to make decisions day after day and yet, not one major news service, lawyer or politician any where in the country is standing up and saying “Hey..that isn’t valid because of Marsbury vs. Madison”. Now don’t you just feel stupid!

Jul 05, 2014 4:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

carnivalchaos…see the link below. There is some basis that Sheriff Joe has been too aggressive in searching for illegal immigrants. But the Fed has been on him almost non stop. If you want a first hand look of the Feds ignoring the immigration problem in this country…look no further than Arizona. Joe is a colorful guy…but he says it just like it is. And he wins re-election every time.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-09-01/arizona-sheriff-arpaio/57492192/1

Jul 05, 2014 4:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Econ said “@ xyz2055 –

THIS is NOT your country, by the way.

If you like Mexicans so much, why don’t you go live with them?”

I never said this was MY Country. And you might want to read my responses to Carn..where I think we need to use military force if necessary to close the borders. And I do not agree with the Dream Act. They came here illegally without regard to our laws. A path to Citizenship makes no sense. All these statements are in the comments above. You truly are a moron!

Jul 05, 2014 4:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

TPAINE3…what exactly are the laws on the books regarding illegal immigration? Are they being effectively enforced? Can you cite examples? Or do we need new laws?

Jul 05, 2014 4:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

Show us the Republican comprehensive Immigration Bill! The GOPers are too cowardly to even bring it up for a vote.

Jul 05, 2014 4:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

EconCassandra wrote: ‘If we are not able to force you out peacefully, there will be civil war.’

another violent con – must be Saturday.

Jul 05, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

9825..I would agree with your post. But it isn’t quite that easy. The authorities can’t simply ask everyone they encounter to show proof of citizenship. Ask Sheriff Joe in Arizona. And you haven’t been paying attention. It isn’t just Democrats. More than 3M illegals entered the U.S. with Bush and the Republicans in control. Since 2007 the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has stayed the same.

Jul 05, 2014 6:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Calfri wrote:

George W. Bush was on record as saying he wanted ‘comprehensive immigration reform.’ I don’t know why people keep getting so hung up on the idea that immigration is strictly divided along party lines. It’s much more of a populist issue. Further, although Democrats cater to liberals who want another amnesty, they also have to be mindful of working people who are in competition for jobs that don’t pay well enough.

Although Republicans cater to people who are against an amnesty, it also caters to business people who want an amnesty and more immigration in general, in order to keep up the supply of cheap labor. After the last presidential election, Republicans were willing to do standalone bills, but Democrats didn’t want them because they had real enforcement triggers. In 2010, Republicans were willing to do a compromise ‘DREAM’ Act, but they wanted a lower cutoff age than Democrats, so that never happened.

Jul 05, 2014 9:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

I keep hearing about … existing laws on the books, yet Obama has a higher rate of deportation than any other president which pretty much shuts this entire thought(less) process down.

Furthermore, you may want to get a grasp on the concept of prosecutorial discretion, as noted here:

http://drmactioncoalition.org/the-legality-of-expanding-deferred-action-for-childhood-arrivals-daca/#

Jul 06, 2014 1:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

pyradius: Conservatives are trying to have it both ways (surprise, surprise.) Generally, they like to push the meme that Obama’s not enforcing the immigration laws. (This has become one of the right’s stock plans of attack when they want to stop any progress on an issue, such as immigration reform. They use the same lie regarding guns. Don’t pass any new gun regulations. Just start enforcing the ones we already have. That way nothing changes.) But within the Hispanic community conservatives keep running ads attacking Obama for his high level of deportation. He’s dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t.

As is so often the case, if you are intelligent enough to care about the truth and you dig a little deeper, you find that the Obama Administration is doing a better job of enforcing the laws than past Presidents, including our most recent Republican President, George W. Bush, though it doesn’t help when the Republican Congress keeps cutting funding for everything. They cut funding then complain that the agency isn’t doing a thorough enough job. Imagine that. This is what happens when you put fools in positions of power.

So Obama IS enforcing the immigration laws, and in the meantime he’s trying to find a better way of dealing with our immigration problems. He’s urged Congress again and again to do something, but they never do. They’re useless. So Obama is looking at his options, considering ways HE can do something. And, of course, the Republicans attack him for that, too.

Jul 06, 2014 12:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
astroz wrote:

Get into the fight America. NumbersUSA.com is over 3 million users strong and helping to generate tens of millions of well aimed, well timed and well informed calls and faxes to members of Congress. We are making a difference in the fight for sane immigration policies that serve the interests of citizens. Easy to use and powerful, join us in making a real difference while you can. Sitting by and getting mad counts for nothing; join us in taking meaningful action.

Jul 06, 2014 2:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pyradius wrote:

4825,

So by your logic, every Republican president is an utter failure, as they have done less than Obama (as has every other president). You should also be aware that 45% of the ‘immigrants’ came here legally but let their papers expire. This would be a civil infraction, not a criminal one. Our current policies are what show a lack of intelligence as immigrants are absolutely good for the economy and only nationalist bigots who look to others to blame for their shortcomings would say otherwise.

http://www.tolerance.org/immigration-myths

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/cutting-immigration-myths-down-size

There are countless other studies that all confirm the same.

Jul 06, 2014 2:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Art16 wrote:

Who do you think let this immigration problem become the crisis it is? Why, Junior High Obama and his Pinhead Flotilla let it all get in trouble so he and his minions can look like they actually did something real instead of creating the shell game problem and then trying to fix it. What a transparent, phoney, and irresponsible way to garner votes for a political party that is on the intellectual rocks in the first place. I have only seen the quality and quantity of government scum we now enjoy in places like old Soviet Block Romania, and the like. Pathetic.

Jul 06, 2014 2:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

4825: “If you are deporting less than 1% of the illegal entries into this country, like Obama has, then you can not call that a success and it does not “shut down” a thought process. Anyone that believes getting less 1 out of 100 right is a success shows their lack of intelligence.”

Speaking of a lack of intelligence, Obama has deported more than 2 million illegal immigrants. That means, according to you, that more than 200 million illegal immigrants have entered the US since Obama’s been President. Are you sure you want to make that argument? Given that the total population of the United States is just over 300 million, I’d say you’re out of your mind. You’re either a chronic liar or you’re just really stupid.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/05/obama-exceeds-million-mark-deportations/7340419/

Jul 06, 2014 3:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Brejoyce wrote:

Americans need jobs to support their families. Keep it up Obama allowing these advocacy group to lead you. You just may succeed in causing the Democrats to lose the Senate. The American people wants relief, by allowing these illegals to say is just another burden you are telling us we must bear. This is nothing but a mandate, is this legal?

Jul 06, 2014 5:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Brejoyce wrote:

The House should not vote on immigration reform. There is very little border security in the senate bill due to Sen. Schumer writing amendments to wave them. So what to stop the next 30 million from walking across the border and the next wave may not be from South America. What is it going to take for Obama to secure the border. The Taliban crossing the Rio Grande and attempting to blow up the White House? Why are we importing poverty? when we are hanging on by our thumbs.

Jul 06, 2014 5:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
beofaction wrote:

Democrats crack me up. When a Republican is in office everything that happens is the president’s fault(“Its on his watch” we hear). When a Democrat is in office everything that happens is STILL the former Republican president’s fault! I guess after six years of zero leadership, even some Democrats must have grown tired of the “Blame Bush” argument, so now it’s the “Republicans in Congress” that are to blame. Of course the media sings whatever song the Dem’s want sung and the sheep out there believe it. If everyone would take just 5 minutes they would learn that the illegal immigration mess we have now is a direct result of THIS presidents immigration policy.

Jul 06, 2014 6:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speakerbliss wrote:

Well its a simple fact, no one is going to deport 11-million un-documented immigrates. It is not going to happen, under a Democrat or a Republican President and Congress.

Our economy relies on the status quo. Want to have a worst crash than 2008, try kicking out 11-million people.

So, the simple solution, offer them a path to citizenship. After all these are people who willing to risk everything and their lives to get here. But, hey from reading this, its amazing how racist our right wing citizens are. Thank goodness you guys are a minority.

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