Three dead, two wounded in Pasadena, California shootings

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ohbillsav wrote:

@ Wayne,,,until he srarted shooting he was one of your good guys with a gun.

Jul 12, 2014 12:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mister_Mister wrote:

Another day in America, another innocent person dead…

Jul 13, 2014 2:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ANZUS wrote:

Just wondering if “crazy people” doing “crazy things” is really news anymore these days? With the manifold lifestyles that cannot, at least from a moralistic position, be challenged, and accepted by the “modern” among us. Why isn’t one’s lifestyle in such circumstances relevant to report, which in years past, commonplace? Could it be that such reporting styles would convey too many germane points to the cause for the tragedy. How much the tragedy seems to be, is more pertinent to the agenda of the times; an empathetic request saying “look here” rather than a more circumspect approach to the information.

Jul 13, 2014 2:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
umkomazi wrote:

Where were all the NRA’s armed teachers to stop this??

Jul 13, 2014 2:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
OSU_Aero_Eng wrote:


First off, my condolences to family/friends that are affected by this shooting.

Now, on to what I wanted to discuss. I’m trying to understand your post, so if I’m wrong here, feel free to let me know.

You’re suggesting that lifestyle (I take that to mean the choices people make with regard to what actions they will take…in other words, their mental predisposition) is an important factor in examining the causes of these shootings and should thus be reported, correct?

As a principle, I agree. However, news has increasingly become a “information NOW” business. People demand that they be notified of events not just as soon as possible, but as they are happening. The downside, of course, is that information early on is difficult to come by, and is often not accurate as a result. In most cases, however, you do eventually start to get the “lifestyle” information, though this typically comes out days later.

If this is your point, then it brings up an interesting question. Does the practice of “instant news” leave people uninformed (or misinformed) about characteristics that might be important as to the cause of the event? And if so, what effect does this have on people’s opinions about things such as gun laws?

Any social scientists out there?

Jul 13, 2014 3:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
big_tower wrote:

More and more responsible gun owners hu. We know there’s lots of guns out there; We know many of those guns will be used to commit crimes, but unfortunately we do not know when or where. I believe gun advocates will have a change of mind pretty soon.

Jul 13, 2014 5:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
timebandit wrote:

America is filled to the gills with violent males. What a horrible country this has become for women and children and the few non-violent men and boys. Heck, it’s even too violent for all those violent men who imagine themselves to be living out a Billy the Kid and Wyatt Earp fantasy.

Jul 13, 2014 12:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kopuz wrote:

To timebandit,

That is exactly what the media and those pushing their agenda want you to think. The world and American are one of the safest places to ever exist in the history of mankind. Yes we have some extreme mental issues to deal with and equally bad urban gang violence. We are all being manipulated with fear.

Also, if you want to see a society that is truly horrible for women and children go visit any other nation in the world. On top of that, one of the many reasons I support armed citizens with every ounce of my soul, a firearms levels the playing field for women. Before the firearm, a woman alone had little chance of defending herself against a malicious man. The firearm gave women the ability to express her right to say no.

I am not sure if you are an American Citizen or not, even if you’re not, do your nation a favor and embrace your community, understand it consists of people of all walks of life. Your neighbors, fellow citizens of your nation, might not share the same beliefs as you they may even be extreme opposites, but do not let the governments that rule or powers that be divide you from them.

Jul 13, 2014 5:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
OSU_Aero_Eng wrote:


I’m not talking about rationalizing motives. I’m also not talking about why the media presents news the way it does, or whether that is a good way to do it. I’m talking about what influence the current method of presenting news has on people’s opinions with respect to things like gun laws (i.e. does the focus on body count versus other things like socioeconomic background, mental status, etc. cause people to form more negative opinions about guns than they would if also presented with other information?)

It’s a question that asks how opinions are formed in the first place. I highly doubt that is a simple subject. Nothing that deals with how the human mind works ever is.

Jul 13, 2014 6:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JimTheDiver wrote:

It really is a problem in gun safety training. Rule 1: if you are insane, shoot yourself first.

Jul 13, 2014 8:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
OSU_Aero_Eng wrote:


Maybe “If you WANT to shoot someone else, shoot yourself first” is more apt.

If you ever use a gun against another living thing, it should be because you have to, not because you want to.

Jul 13, 2014 8:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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