EU edges to economic sanctions on Russia but narrows scope

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BraveNewWrld wrote:

Human Rights Watch report of July 24:

Although Ukrainian government officials and the press service of the National Guard have denied using Grad rockets in Donetsk, a Human Rights Watch investigation on the ground strongly indicates that Ukrainian government forces were responsible for the attacks that occurred between July 12 and 21.

Sanction Russia, right? What about sanctions and ICC charges against those committing these war crimes documented by HRW?

Jul 25, 2014 8:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JustProduce wrote:

Don’t get too excited yet. Let’s wait for Putin’s final decision.

Jul 25, 2014 8:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JerryD80 wrote:

BraveNewWrld failed to mention that the Human Rights Watch (HRW) has also indicated that the Russian insurgent forces (AKA separatists) are, I quote, “deploying in densely populated areas, thereby endangering civilians in violation of the laws of war. In one case, separatist forces moved their base closer to the center of the town when Grad rockets struck their base and a nearby residential area. Violations of the laws of war by one side to the conflict do not justify violations by the other side.”

Though Ukraine has denied any involvement using Grad ground-to-ground rocket attacks near populated areas.

Furthermore, Russian Separatists are using Grad rockets (Russian supplied and Russian-made) Grad rockets killing many Ukrainians.

Jul 25, 2014 9:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
usa.wi.vet.4q wrote:

Russia needs more than sanctions. Do not let the wolves circle too long without hurting their Alpha. The US is wasting the gas you need since our leaders are too stupid to help. Push on washington also. Why give Putin the power over your country. He is not going to help you long term. KGB thug only.

Jul 25, 2014 10:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lub wrote:

Ukraine also used phosphorus incendiary cluster bombs against cities.

Reuters posts a video with this headline: “Rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile”. But when you play the video you can hear that he is saying “If they had BUK missile..”

Can this get more ridiculous?

Jul 25, 2014 10:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

Since 1940, The Russians/Soviets have been involved in
the First Passenger Airliner Shootdown, and
the Most Airliner Shootdowns.
Date . Incidents . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Died . On Board . Shotdwn by . . . . . . . Backer . . . Owner . . . . . Crashed in
1940 . Kaleva OH-ALL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . 9 . . . . . . . . Soviet Union . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Finland . . . . . Estonia
1978 . Korean Air Lines Flight 902 . . . . . . . 2 . . 109 . . . . . . . . Soviet Union . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . South Korea . . . Soviet Union
1983 . Korean Air Lines Flight 007 . . . . . . 269 . 269 . . . . . . . . Soviet Union . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . South Korea . . . Soviet Union
1993 . Transair Georgian Tu-134 from Sochi . 27 . 27 . . . . . . Abkhaz Georgia Rebels . Russia . . Georgia Abkhazia . Georgia
1993 . Transair Georgian Tu-154 from Tbilisi . 108 132 . . . . Abkhaz Georgia Rebels . Russia . . . Georgia Abkhazia . Georgia
1994 . Iranian Air Force C-130 . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32 . 32 . . . . . . Armenia . . . . . . . . . . . .Russia . . Iran . . . . . . . . . . Nagorno-Karabakh
2001 . Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 . . . . . . . . . . 78 . 78 . . . . . . Ukraine (accident) . . . . Russia . . Russia . . . . . . . . Black Sea Ukraine
2014 . Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 . . . . . . . . . . 298 298 . . . . Ukraine Russia Rebels . . Russia . . Malaysia . . . . . . Ukraine
Total Russia . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 823 954
Total Since ’40s . . . . . . . 26 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,713 1,888
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.04% 50.53%

Jul 25, 2014 10:43am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SR37212 wrote:

Here is the irony – they aren’t putting restrictions on importing gas….. Seriously??? My bet is that one of those restricted parts will be exactly the part that fails preventing Russia from sending the EU gas…..ooooops.

Jul 25, 2014 10:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse

C’mon Jerry. You know that the propagandists never let facts get in the way or this objective. The article at the Human Rights Watch also links to the mass graves located in the areas where the separatists have fled, but Brave didn’t mention that either.

Jul 25, 2014 10:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
truthjuice wrote:

So if Ukraine was responsible for the shooting down of the plane will you sanction them. ? If the US is annexing Ukraine with big money do you sanction them? I don t think so.
Hypocrites

Jul 25, 2014 11:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ProUK wrote:

lub wrote:
“Reuters posts a video with this headline: “Rebel commander acknowledges fighters had BUK missile”. But when you play the video you can hear that he is saying “If they had BUK missile..”

Can this get more ridiculous?”

It can…..at face value……do we know the actual date of the video or do we know the posted date of the video. Is the video staged to be used after the fact as for example you are alluding to know.

Jul 25, 2014 11:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

No serious sanctions against Russia will ever materialize because the EU countries look out for themselves, each with their own agenda. They can’t agree to simple things that help themselves, little only something that will hurt them (energy supplies from Russia).

Jul 25, 2014 11:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Hmm, Reuters,

This is by far not the first time that you censor out my comment mentioning the most recent air accident of this nature. I mean shooting of the russian flight 1812 from Israel by SS 200 missile over Crimea in 2001, for which Ukrainian government paid $15.6 million in compensation to the relatives of victims.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

Big brother is watching?

Jul 25, 2014 1:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
speakfreely wrote:

Watering down the sanction means there is no union in the EU.

Jul 25, 2014 1:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Denman47 wrote:

The EU has no backbone and is unable to make a strong collective decision on any matter of importance. They deserve what they get out of this Putin/Ukraine mess. Hopefully Uncle Sam will let these hacks fend for themselves for a change.

Jul 25, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
winfrey50 wrote:

Putin cares as much about narrow scope sanctions as Stalin did…..freeze their assets worldwide. It is the only answer.

Jul 25, 2014 2:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carlmartel wrote:

Xinhua refers to MH17 as a crash, and the Chinese are correct at this point. The investigation continues, so sanctions should be moderate to non-existent. The US and EU refuse to allow Russia to send anyone into eastern Ukraine, so Russia cannot exercise the “control” over rebels that the US and EU claim that they want.

3 aircraft have “crashed” from July 17 to July 24, and 465 people have died. Most of the dead have come from the EU. Two planes were made by US companies, Boeing and McDonald Douglas, and one was made by the French and Italian firm, ATR. The US and EU are suffering losses to their reputations that may cause airline orders to go to other countries that make aircraft.

Jul 25, 2014 2:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

Useless action.

Under US pressure, EU is bound to lose over time of any of these sanctions.

Jul 25, 2014 3:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

carlmartel, you really stretched there. 3 plane crashes. 1 brought down by a SAM, the other two downed during storms. That has nothing to do with the manufacturer of the planes themselves and if care to notice the orders from the recent airshows, both Boeing and Airbus booked a sizeable amounts of business.

Jul 25, 2014 4:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
nose2066 wrote:

In a perverse sort of way, the Israeli invasion of Gaza is providing cover for the Russian actions in Ukraine. If the West does not do much to stop the civilian deaths in Gaza, how can the West justify stronger action against Russia?

Jul 25, 2014 7:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BelieveInLove wrote:

Human Rights Watch founder Robert L. Bernstein accused HRW of allowing repressive regimes to play a “moral equivalence game” by failing to distinguish the evidence available from open and closed societies, and of failing to recognize the “difference between wrongs committed in self-defense and those perpetrated intentionally.”

And there you have the difference between Ukraine & Russia.

Jul 25, 2014 7:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VVS wrote:

Jose Manuel Barroso said: “The measures are not an end in themselves, “but a means to achieve a negotiated and political solution to the crisis … I call on Russia to take decisive steps to stop the violence and genuinely engage in peace plan discussions.”
If during the time of the Cuban missile crisis, half a century ago, the subject of the dispute was U.S. military bases in Turkey, now the NATO troops roam freely in almost all republics of the Soviet Union – in violation of the agreements, prior to the unification of Germany. Even in the Black Sea, in fact the inside territory of Russia for more than two centuries, are cruising the American warships. At the same time, the Western gentlemen, like Manuel Barroso, have not been tired to chat about Russian aggression in Ukraine. Insolence, impudence and impunity – are the main features of the modern American and European policy.
Vladimir

Jul 25, 2014 10:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

@BelieveInLove:

First of all, selective justice = injustice. Moral equivalence is of no value and of no interest. An equal punishment for an equal crime has to be ensured. And so if rebels are committing war crimes, these have to be investigated and punished. And exactly the same applies to the Ukrainian Army and pro-Kiev militia.

Jul 25, 2014 11:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
momo51 wrote:

well this could go both ways. Russia may decide to jack up the price of their gas or impose a quota to Europe. No contracts hold since they impose sanctions on us. Now the EU will look stupid. The only reason that the EU is putting sanctions is to please their master from abroad.

Jul 25, 2014 11:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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