Tea Party out-muscles Boehner on border-security funding

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SunnyDaySam wrote:

‘Republicans are expected to block this bill from advancing…’

More obstruction from the Party of Nothing. Must be Thursday. vote these slackers OUT!

Jul 31, 2014 11:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

Where is the GOP/TP comprehensive Immigration bill? They’ve done NOTHING! Fire ‘em!

Jul 31, 2014 11:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BillDexter wrote:

The only political issue here is whether we send the children back to their homes or bring them in. The reason to bring them in has always been to then bring their whole village in under the ‘Family Reunification Act’, make them legal, subsidize them and therefore have a steady stream of new votes for democrats. This has worked very well for decades now. The only problem will be when we go bankrupt. Oh well. As long as we can blame the Tea Party . . .

Jul 31, 2014 11:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BeRealistic wrote:

Sunny, exactly what is it you think the GOP should do? Propose more laws that obama and many of his minions will ignore? What exactly do you mean by ‘comprehensive Immigration”? I mean, after all, there are more than enough laws on the books already to prevent immigration. You and your failed community organizer have ZERO clue how to move the country forward, blocking every attempt by “the other side” on partisan basis, dividing the nation with false accusations of racism and sexism and handouts to the wealthy. The only reason you ask where the GOP ideas are (BTW, most are in reid’s trashcan where he refuses to even bring GOP ideas to the floor because of his petulant partisan stance) because you have no idea what to do yourself.

Jul 31, 2014 11:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Warrantone wrote:

More crime, poverty, gangs, teenage births, ignorance, drugs, and public health problems – just what the democrats want. Wherever you look, this is what you find in latino communities. Say what you want, but this is the truth and it is getting worse. Perfect for drug cartels too. These people have no respect for our laws – don’t even know what The Constitution is. Obama and Congress are enemies of the people for letting this happen.

Jul 31, 2014 11:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Calpin wrote:

No, Republicans would have appropriated money for these people, but they don’t want to just grease the skids of the current approach, which is to settle the kids inside the United States indefinitely, and to hope to make them legal residents later.

Democrats like Barbara Mikulski are saying things out loud now that make it clear they think it’s America’s job to solve the poverty problems in places like Honduras and Guatemala. That’s the way to solve the immigration problem, she says. That is crazy, and it won’t happen.

Jul 31, 2014 11:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gregbrew56 wrote:

From the article: “The Congress on Thursday is set to debate “emergency” border security legislation that lawmakers acknowledge will not be enacted but will enable them to campaign for re-election by arguing they worked to address a humanitarian crisis.”

How about instead actually DO SOMETHING to help this humanitarian crisis!

Freakin’ Demo-publican morons. Vote them ALL out!

Jul 31, 2014 12:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JakobStagg wrote:

Options and choices? That should make Barry very irritated. He doesn’t like not dictating what everyone will be forced to do.

Jul 31, 2014 12:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Such a joke the right has become…

Children are now ‘invaders’ and ANYTHING Obama does or proposes is bad.

Jul 31, 2014 12:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LKS473 wrote:

“Republicans and Democrats have been sparring over President Barack Obama’s request for $3.7 billion to respond to the crisis in which tens of thousands of Central American children have tried to enter the United States illegally.” Instead of ‘tried to enter’ I believe the words for which you’re looking is ‘successfully entered’.

Jul 31, 2014 12:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
LKS473 wrote:

SunnyDaySam: Some of us believe the current laws should be enforced before passing new ones. Some of us believe that our country should act in the interests its citizens and that limiting immigration in some ways is what keeps us a sovereign nation; limiting immigration rates as a whole to prevent the dilution American culture, drawing from many races and nations to develop a more diverse America, and showing preference to those that can contribute to America’s greatness from Day 1 does not make our current immigration policy faulted. We have a policy of accepting refugees, regardless of the previously mentioned points, so we are not a heartless, cruel nation. If our border was enforced and current laws enforced, what -specifically- do you believe would need to be reformed?

Jul 31, 2014 1:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BeRealistic wrote:

Sunny, what exactly do you think obama’s solution is? He is providing “welcome bags” at the border, providing them tons of free services and handouts, then scattering these people across the country without consent from the states, turning them lose on a premise they will show up for a hearing. How many do you really think will ever be seen again? This is NO solution for anything other than securing more democrat voters through illegal means.

Jul 31, 2014 3:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BeRealistic wrote:

USA, you’re finally coming aound…..oh wait, were you using sarcasm? Nevermind.

Jul 31, 2014 3:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

‘The setback put Republicans in the embarrassing position of having demanded quick action by Obama to address the problem of tens of thousands of children arriving at the U.S. border, mainly from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, only to refuse the needed money to implement such action.’

That’s how the GOP/TP rolls – Block President Obama at all cost and no solutions for anything. Vote anti-R!

Jul 31, 2014 3:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

BeRealistic@ The President is executing the law as it is written. Where is the GOP/TP immigration bill? Boehner doesn’t even have the guts to bring it up for an up or down vote! Oh, and you cynical Republicons see this as ‘ securing more democrat voters’ (your words), most of the rest of us see this as helpless refugee children and a big humanitarian challenge.

Jul 31, 2014 3:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

Why doesn’t the GOP/TP pass a clean border security funding bill? They always have to tie it to some extreme con agenda thing that won’t fly.

Jul 31, 2014 3:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

LKS473 wrote:
SunnyDaySam: Some of us believe the current laws should be enforced before passing new ones.’

That is EXACTLY what President Obama is doing. He’s done more for border security than the bush/GOP EVER did! Why won’t the GOP/TP pass a clean border security funding bill? It’s crazy: the GOP/TP wants something done but won’t pay for it. btw; this will really make a difference in November. We’re tired of solid GOP/TP obstruction.

Jul 31, 2014 3:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

C$Party, please explain how ‘Obama created this problem’, my understanding is that these children/families are fleeing because of rampant gang violence in their home countries, all of which are in the top 5 in murder rates. So why is there so much violence? The short explanation is the drug trade and all the money in the drug trade. Why is there so much money in the drug trade?, because of the ‘War on Drugs’. I do not think Obama started the ‘War on Drugs’.

Jul 31, 2014 4:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

CSParty@ President Obama is executing the law as it is written. Where is the GOP/TP comprehensive Immigration bill that would change that? The Republicons have NOTHING.

Jul 31, 2014 4:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speakerbliss wrote:

CSPARTY, say, what ya smoking? “Obama created the problem?” please explain how this is his fault? The Senate passed a reasonable immigration bill, but the House refuses to do anything, even within their party, Republican have no plan, as you pointed out, if Republican don’t agree, its Obama’s fault.

Jul 31, 2014 4:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speakerbliss wrote:

LKS473? American culture has always been influx, depending on who and how many move here. Americans is a culture of many cultures, the more we add, the richer our American culture becomes.

Even if you stopped all immigrations, the simple fact is American demographics are changing and in a few years, people of European heritage will be a minority. Does this make America less American? The answer is no.

A good example is my family, old German/English dating back to 1704 in the US. My younger brother, his daughter married a black person, their daughter married an Hispanic, another son of theirs married an Asian. Our family is now multi-cultured, multi-racial and we are fine with that.

Jul 31, 2014 4:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
astroz wrote:

The calls, faxes and e-mails of millions of concerned citizens in the past weeks are impacting this debate and forcing our “leaders” to consider the legitimate needs of citizens. Keep up the pressure my friends. Laws matter because our citizens matter. Thank you for taking action my fellow citizens.

Jul 31, 2014 4:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
moonhill wrote:

Block funding for anything other than securing the border and preventing illegals from coming here! No more free stuff!!!

Jul 31, 2014 4:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CSParty wrote:

USAPragmatist —- Yea, yea, violence in their country? How about a weak approach to those who break our immigrant laws? You don’t think Obama’s approach to amnesty has anything to do with this? What ya smokin’?

Jul 31, 2014 4:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BillKennedy wrote:

Oh, those tricky lawyers:

‘The other half of the bill, Division B, deals with what the authors conceive of as border security provisions. They are nothing of the sort: Buried in them is a Trojan Horse permitting unaccompanied minors to ask for adjustment of status to lawful permanent residence (a “green card”) based simply on a “special motion” to an immigration judge instead of meeting the criteria for relief that are established by law. The language is almost exactly that previously seen in the Cornyn-Cuellar HUMANE Act; only the order of presentation has shifted.’

http://cis.org/House-Republican-Secure-Southwest-Border-Supplemental-Appropriations%20Act-and-Secure-Southwest-Border-Act-2014

Jul 31, 2014 5:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CSParty wrote:

I actually applaud the GOP idea of spending about $700 million for the problem at hand, not $3 Billion. Buy a whoole lot of buses and send them home to their borders. It’s not our fault those countries in question can’t handle their violence. We certainly have enough here. Use what’s left of the millions to buy some Subway sandwiches for the trip.

Jul 31, 2014 5:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BillKennedy wrote:

‘But the suggestion on Tuesday afternoon by Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, that even a scaled-down House immigration bill could serve as “an opening for us to have a conference on our comprehensive immigration reform” seemed to complicate the carefully laid Republican plan.

…Mr. Reid’s move is intended to cut into Republican support for the House immigration legislation before the August recess. When asked about the majority leader’s remark, Senator Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the chamber’s No. 2 Democrat, nearly doubled over in laughter before saying, “If Harry suggested it, I’m not ruling it out.”’

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/30/us/politics/house-gop-plan-on-border-crisis-is-well-short-of-what-obama-seeks-.html

Jul 31, 2014 5:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

Speakerbliss wrote: ‘A good example is my family, old German/English dating back to 1704 in the US. My younger brother, his daughter married a black person, their daughter married an Hispanic, another son of theirs married an Asian. Our family is now multi-cultured, multi-racial and we are fine with that.’

Sounds like the good ol’ USA to me ;-)

Jul 31, 2014 5:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CSParty wrote:

Speakerbliss — But did your family enter legally? Graduallly expanding our culture is not a problem. An influx of 500,000 illegals per year is too much.

Jul 31, 2014 5:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

CSParty wrote: ‘An influx of 500,000 illegals per year is too much.’

’500,000 illegals’ you have any non-partisan basis for your statement? I’m betting not.

Jul 31, 2014 5:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

well, I gather from the cons on this thread that their solution is to shoot every kid who tries to cross the border. Fortunately most of us see this for what it is. these are refugees and we are good people who help a humanitarian crisis. btw; this is one of the things that makes me wonder why any Christians vote for Republicans. Quite the disconnect there.

Jul 31, 2014 5:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mind_emergent wrote:

1. Step up border enforcement at the Mexican border. (And at the same time, block gun shipments headed south, drugs coming north.)
2. Set up funding for training of Mexican train police – contingent on satisfactory reduction of migrants.
3. Set up funding for an arrangement for joint funding of specific public health system projects, specific public education system projects and specific public child welfare & protection projects with the Central American nations – contingent on satisfactory audited performance.
4. Enforce existing immigration law to stop illegal inflows.
5. Deal with the illegal aliens who have lived in USA for a considerable time, and who have contributed to it significantly, in some reasonable way – on a one-time, not on-going, basis.

There is a proper front door for immigration to the USA. People who want to immigrate can use it. There ought to be no back door, not even for desperate children. Expecting Central America to care for its own children is not being heartless, especially if you are facilitating their care and education.

Jul 31, 2014 5:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mind_emergent wrote:

1. Step up border enforcement at the Mexican border. (And at the same time, block gun shipments headed south, drugs coming north.)
2. Set up funding for training of Mexican train police – contingent on satisfactory reduction of migrants.
3. Set up funding for an arrangement for joint funding of specific public health system projects, specific public education system projects and specific public child welfare & protection projects with the Central American nations – contingent on satisfactory audited performance.
4. Enforce existing immigration law to stop illegal inflows.
5. Deal with the illegal aliens who have lived in USA for a considerable time, and who have contributed to it significantly, in some reasonable way – on a one-time, not on-going, basis.

There is a proper front door for immigration to the USA. People who want to immigrate can use it. There ought to be no back door, not even for desperate children. Expecting Central America to care for its own children is not being heartless, especially if you are facilitating their care and education.

Jul 31, 2014 5:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
WTSherman wrote:

John Boehner should be fired and replaced with someone who has more experience in herding cats.

Jul 31, 2014 5:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Hermist wrote:

The republicans are just an angry obstinate bunch! no solutions just obstruction! The democrats are losers too. Loss loss situation! The decline of a world power is already in motion. And so it goes! Next world power? China!

Jul 31, 2014 6:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
drauckerr wrote:

Israel has already proven that an expensive wall is no substitute for good policy. America needs a proper immigration policy, not more money for the consequences of failure.

Jul 31, 2014 6:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NDewar wrote:

Wait – Republicans are blocking Republicans? That is a whole new level of “Party of No”

Jul 31, 2014 6:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Galactus999 wrote:

President Obama is to blame for the surge in illegal immigration. Until he rescinds DACA and stops encouraging Amnesty for illegal immigration, Congress should not give him one dime. Its time to stop wasting US Taxpayer money.

Jul 31, 2014 6:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Galactus999 wrote:

President Obama is to blame for the surge in illegal immigration. Until he rescinds DACA and stops encouraging Amnesty for illegal immigration, Congress should not give him one dime. Its time to stop wasting US Taxpayer money.

Jul 31, 2014 6:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ruffsoft wrote:

According to US law, the legal way to request asylum is to approach the border and inform a border official that you seek protection. The children doing this are not violating the law; they are following it, and when they request asylum, they have legal status while their case is decided thru due process.

Due Process is guaranteed by the Constitution: Amendments 14 and 15 grant due process rights not just to citizens but to “any person.”

Therefore, these children, once they inform the govt they are seeking asylum, are guaranteed by the Constitution the due process which requires, hearings and court assessments.

Anyone who blocks helping innocent children fleeing for their lives and following legal procedures should be shot without trial, on the spot. Anyone who libels these children with terms like “illegal” and “hordes” and “disease-ridden” should have their entire family moved to Honduras until they understand what these children are fleeing.

Anyone who has political power who promotes disregarding both the law of the land and the Constitution (not to mention common ethics) should be impeached for high crimes.

Jul 31, 2014 6:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dr_Jack0040 wrote:

The lack of the writer’s objectivity is embarrassing. Why not just call it what it is, a press release for the Democrats. The facts are this:
1. These children / young adults are coming to the U.S. illegally.
2. This is a violation of U.S. law.
3. The Obama administration refuses to enforce U.S. law.
4. Democrats don’t care about these people, they want to exploit what they perceive as a political weakness.
5. Democrats do not have the freedom in their party to vote the way they want to vote.
6. Republicans lack effective communication skills.
7. The freedom given to the Republican members of congress to vote the way they believe makes for bad politics.
8. Neither party is willing to compromise, even though the majority of U.S. citizens want congress and the president to work together to find solutions. That does not mean that the Senate rejects everything the House passes and vice verse.
9. The media should report news, not write press releases and marketing material for either side.
10, Unless we learn to work together as citizens to demand results, our country is headed toward bankruptcy financially, socially, and morally.

Jul 31, 2014 6:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Waveman wrote:

Give Obama any money and he’ll just use it to bring in even more illegal voters. If he had his way he’d flood america with illegals just because they vote for handouts, democratic in other words.

Jul 31, 2014 7:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

C$Party, do you even realize that crossing the border illegally is a simple misdemeanor? SO how is this Obama’s ‘weak approach’? what is a strong approach? mining the border? electrified fence? What do you propose that Obama could have done to minimize border crossing? Also consider the fact that crossing are down and deportations are up DRAMATICALLY under Obama’s tenure, so much so that many Hispanic activists have been criticizing him for it. So please explain, point by point, what exactly Obama could have done different?

Jul 31, 2014 7:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

So, what is Boehner doing to earn the money we pay him? Anything?

Jul 31, 2014 7:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wakeup4321 wrote:

what next 1.5 billion people living in Texas,7.5 billion in America.

Jul 31, 2014 7:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SunnyDaySam wrote:

Galactus999 wrote:
President Obama is to blame for the surge in illegal immigration.’

Really? so, we had no illegal immigration during the bush/GOP decade when the Republican’ts had Both HOuses AND the Presidency? I think not. btw; if you look up the facts, you will see that President Obama has done more for border security than the cons ever thought of.

Jul 31, 2014 7:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
crod526 wrote:

Politics before Nation. This is what Cruz and his minions are all about.

Jul 31, 2014 8:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dr_Jack0040 wrote:

The lack of the writer’s objectivity is embarrassing. Why not just call it what it is, a press release for the Democrats. The facts are this:
1. These children / young adults are coming to the U.S. illegally.
2. This is a violation of U.S. law.
3. The Obama administration refuses to enforce U.S. law.
4. Democrats don’t care about these people, they want to exploit what they perceive as a political weakness.
5. Democrats do not have the freedom in their party to vote the way they want to vote.
6. Republicans lack effective communication skills.
7. The freedom given to the Republican members of congress to vote the way they believe makes for bad politics.
8. Neither party is willing to compromise, even though the majority of U.S. citizens want congress and the president to work together to find solutions. That does not mean that the Senate rejects everything the House passes and vice verse.
9. The media should report news, not write press releases and marketing material for either side.
10, Unless we learn to work together as citizens to demand results, our country is headed toward bankruptcy financially, socially, and morally.

Jul 31, 2014 8:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BioStudies wrote:

Don’t blame this on the Tea Party. The humanitarian crisis is being caused by Laws Obama and Harry Reid enacted. What the democrats propose we do is tantamount to destruction of our boarders.

Jul 31, 2014 8:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
carnivalchaos wrote:

Republicans are intellectually lazy. Whenever there’s an issue that the US government needs to be dealing with, rather than working on a solution, the Republicans sit on their butts and blame Obama, while doing absolutely nothing. They are worse than useless.

Right now there’s a problem on our southern border that needs to be dealt with. If they’re not going to do anything toward solving it, they need to be replaced with people who will do the job.

Jul 31, 2014 8:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sophie11rose wrote:

I have a suggestion for both parties – do NOT create any new legislation just provide funding to do what Congress has FAILED to do for decades ENFORCE existing immigration law and SECURE our borders.

Our governments FAILURE to enforce existing law and secure our borders has in effect been giving ILLEGALS passive amnesty for decades. That passive amnesty is why this new wave of ILLEGALS is confident that they will be “welcomed” into the US by Border Patrol, provided food/shelter/medical care and then be released to their ILLEGAL families already here to wait for their immigration hearing.

STOP PASSIVE AMNESTY!!!

re

Jul 31, 2014 8:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MassResident wrote:

This “humanitarian crisis” is driven by the relatives who are sending the kids to become citizens and sponsor their relatives under the “family reunification” rules. If I did something like that to one of my kids, the State would take them away and put them in a foster home.

Jul 31, 2014 8:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ghostmaker wrote:

Hispanics will never vote for a Republican. But American citizens are currently against Obama and Democrat policy. So it is really a no brainer you want voters appeal to the majority that wants deportation.

Jul 31, 2014 8:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PreetSG wrote:

As much as the world mocks or complains about America, we are very very lucky that many of us just follow US templates for laws and policy and amend them for local interpretation.

Yes, initially it makes complete sense that children that come to a country should have the right to be citizens there if they are born or spend most of their lives there.

Who in the world knew that children would then become aware of this law and start to break it to? Very interesting to see how to solve this problem. Should we treat children as adults and send them to jail for being illegal immigrants (anywhere in the world not just US)? Should we charge their parents? Should we bill the nations where they come from?

Jul 31, 2014 9:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whipsplash wrote:

So “the most powerful republican in Washington” has no power what so ever. No wonder nothing gets done and some screwball teabag can shut down the government.
Keep these anti-American losers away from power by;
Voting every republican out of every office every chance you get!

Jul 31, 2014 9:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speakerbliss wrote:

BioStudies wrote: Don’t blame this on the Tea Party. The humanitarian crisis is being caused by Laws Obama and Harry Reid enacted. What the democrats propose we do is tantamount to destruction of our boarders.

Guess you didn’t study civics, it takes both houses in Congress to pass a bill and the President to sign it into law and guess what, Obama had nothing to do with the law, try Clinton/Bush.

Jul 31, 2014 9:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
64_Commuter wrote:

Bio Studies: “What the democrats propose we do is tantamount to destruction of our boarders.” :-) I think you meant “borders.”

It’s the Republicans who aim to destroy our “boarders.”

Jul 31, 2014 9:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ralphooo wrote:

I almost feel sorry for the more normal Republicans. Almost. But in the end, I have no sympathy, because they have been dancing in the shadows with the powerful emotions of prejudice and mean-spiritedness for 50 years. What did they think would be the end of that story? To be fair, the Southern Democrats did as much and more in the years prior to the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But the Republicans had a choice, and they knowingly went down the wrong road. Sadly, they now have no one to blame but themselves.

Jul 31, 2014 9:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whipsplash wrote:

Love it when all the righties come in here with the same list of talking points….bahahaha.

Jul 31, 2014 10:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Speaker2 wrote:

@csparty for most of our history, you could arrive at the US border, step across and call yourself an American. Up until the 1930′s you didn’t even have to be an American citizen to vote.

We have + 300 million people, another 500k influx every year is not going to hurt us. If you look at the baby boomer demographics, we will need a large influx of people to replace our aging workforce, plus pay into social security to keep it solvent. Just wait until the seniors figure this out and they vote.

Jul 31, 2014 10:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gregbrew56 wrote:

Replace the do-nothing Congress. BOTH parties.

Old joke:

If “con” is the opposite of “pro”, what’s the opposite of “Progress”?……Congress!

Aug 01, 2014 12:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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