Poroshenko to seek ceasefire plan after 'very tough' talks with Putin

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riposte wrote:

Ohh excuse me for invading your country. it was an accident. Almost laughable, if not so serious.

Aug 26, 2014 6:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Canela wrote:

More evidence of Russian lies. The butchers in Moscow have gotten over their murder of 300 air passengers. It may be time to freeze them from all commercial ties.

Aug 26, 2014 6:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
gentalman wrote:

I am personally hopeful for +ve outcome because no one can afford war in
current disturbed time all over the world. Natural calamities is also a factor.

Aug 26, 2014 6:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
GorgeousMary wrote:

Why is it than when US went into Serbia for the same reasons that Russia went into Ukraine, no one did anything?

The Crisis will increase since the “Cowboys” dont seem to stop anywhere! They created the Ukraine Crisis, with their interference in the elections and they had the guts to actually embargo Russia outside the UNations!

Not everyone is like Greek Politicians (corrupted and following blind orders)! They are going to have a hard time now. The fall of the Empires is a repeated history! Learn some “Cowboys” – not everything involves money!

Aug 26, 2014 7:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Alex77 wrote:

So the czar can either admit his mission is to make war on every land that is unfortunate enough to house any percentage of people speaking Russian or holding Russian passports (which is dozens of countries at least) or he can admit he has no idea how the soldiers got there and has lost any control of his empire. There is a third option which is most likely his choice: to keep treating the press and the leaders of other nations like they are dumb as rocks.

Aug 26, 2014 7:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
buldi wrote:

If you catch Putin red-handed, he will surely say it is not his hand.
I wonder if anybody still takes seriously what official Russia is saying.

Aug 26, 2014 7:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Saristas wrote:

@Alex77 He doesn’t have to treat anyone as if they were dumb, because he knows no one is going to do anything until it affects them directly.

Aug 26, 2014 7:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

Putin is an amoral despot, like Assad, Qaddafi or even Saddam. Who else would serve “Putin Cocktails” to their dissidents. Polonium 210 isn’t easy to come by. Isotopes make great dirty bombs.
So the rebels have MI-24′s? They have no experience, limited training and no radar ID. Boris! Just point and shoot, like Hamas. Putin doesn’t want any more Flt#17′s shot down. That’s why he sent Russian troops in. This ain’t Crimea and he isn’t going to send in 3,000 soldiers dressed in black(to oversee elections). Long live Ukraine’s freedom.

Aug 26, 2014 8:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SR37212 wrote:

And in other news about the Ukraine; Poroshenko has disbanded parliament and is calling for new elections. Amazing how effective smoke screens are.

Aug 26, 2014 8:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TB7W1B wrote:

Ukraine wants to drag the EU and the US into an armed conflict. Instead of taking a modest and humble approach, Poroshenko continues to provide us wih lies and fake accounts, requests weapons from the West and completely disregards the disastrous economic situation of his country. Infact, armin gthe military is one of his confirmed objectives. The stupid EU continues to support him instead of pushing him to negotiate.

Ukraine will be a huge drag on our economies, if Poroshenko continues his unwise and dumb strategy and the West is further dragged into this conflict.

Aug 26, 2014 8:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ancalimon wrote:

I am amazed to what a fool Putin has turned out to be. Who will soon forget how Russia stabs its neighbors in the back? Russia has really screwed themselves for a long time to come.

Aug 26, 2014 8:53am EDT  --  Report as abuse
speakfreely wrote:

Congratulations, Ukraine! Keep capturing Russian soldiers and destroying their vehicles as proof of Russian involvement and incursion. Publish the captured soldiers and rebels photos as proof to the world of Russia’s invasion.

Aug 26, 2014 8:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lovetwo wrote:

“Officially they are on military exercises in various corners of Russia. In reality they are involved in military aggression against Ukraine,” Defence Minister Valeriy Heletey said in a Facebook post.

Truth be known.

The solders surrendered peacefully. There was no aggressive act.

Peace be with you All.

Love
Omega

Aug 26, 2014 8:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
malkavian wrote:

If those were russian soldiers with the military mission in ukraine, they would not have surrendered. Guys, don’t fall for such smokescreens and manipulations of the facts. It is very easy to do so, when the whole world believes you without investigations or proof, as it is with Ukraine.

Aug 26, 2014 9:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DonD1977 wrote:

Video of Russian tropps is leverage against Russia – and the kind of proof which could tighten the economic vise on putin if he fails to settle this in these talks.

Aug 26, 2014 9:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nsanity wrote:

I wonder – you people who are 100% convinced that this is all Putin’s fault and that the Ukrainians are white and fluffy and oppressed in their country that is invaded… do you read anything other than Reuters, Guardian & CNN?

Have you ever bothered to look at the other side? Do you know what the phrase “critical thinking” means?

You do not even have an inkling of what tools you are made out to be by following this carrot and stick bs.

Please wisen up before you allow your leaders to drag us all into WW3. The level of wilful ignorance in my country (CAN) and yours (US) is now beyond staggering, it is now just plain depressing.

Aug 26, 2014 9:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

I guess Russia should use the U.S. GPS system as GLONASS appears as faulty as Putin’s logic.

Aug 26, 2014 9:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
GrenadeTrade wrote:

Hmm that’s funny. All this bloodshed and fighting, but not a single photo or video, or satellite imagery to back up these claims. Lies, from both sides. Not even sure why they meeting today. Result seems to be obvious – a farce to blame the other saying that the meeting went nowhere because the other guy wouldn’t negotiate.

Aug 26, 2014 9:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ancalimon wrote:

Putin had a fantastic chance to bring Russia into the European fold and make Russia more prosperous than ever in its entire history yet he chose to foster the paranoia and cold war mentality that will leave Russia in the dust bin of history. I know the Russian people are generally a good people, as good as any and do not deserve what Putin has done to them now.

Aug 26, 2014 9:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Doc62 wrote:

Beware Lukashenko, Belarus is next on Putin’s list. My family’s from Pinsk and were “Brutalized” daily by the Kremlin/Bolsheviks in 1900.
“So Doc62, where are you going to go now? NYC, to live with my brother.” -Fiddler on the Roof.

Aug 26, 2014 9:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

Wow, these lost Russian soldiers stumbled over the border and wandered approximately 10 kilometers into another country and had no idea. How misguided, by their President, military leaders and training. It makes Russia’s military look kind of inept and foolish as their strategy toward Ukraine.

Aug 26, 2014 9:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
speakfreely wrote:

“…column of several dozen armed infantry vehicles.” Russia is stupid to send armed soldiers and armed infantry vehicles so close to a war zone. If Russia wants to train its soldiers, pick someplace in your vast country far from Ukraine. Otherwise, the rest of the world will continue to believe Russia is participating and contributing to the Ukraine war.

Aug 26, 2014 9:42am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nsanity wrote:

WOW, context sure is a tricky fella, ain’t he Reuters?

Please, Americans, read: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11056312/Russian-paratroopers-captured-in-Ukraine-accidentally-crossed-border.html

Particularly, **read the actual quotes from the soldiers**, then make your own conclusions.

Just be aware of just how different “reporting” is by Reuters from the actual reality. You’re making a farce of journalism.

Aug 26, 2014 9:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality2Day wrote:

@ Ancalimon wrote:

I know the Russian people are generally a good people, as good as any and do not deserve what Putin has done to them now.

I agree with you, most people are good by nature but it only takes a few (usually in powerful positions) to ruin it for everyone. This mess is like a stone thrown into a pond, Ukraine is where it impacted the water but the ripples radiate from it and continue to widen while affecting more and more people. A sad fact of life.

Aug 26, 2014 9:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PCCorruption wrote:

Lovetwo wrote: “”"”The solders surrendered peacefully. There was no aggressive act.”"” So taking Crimea was not an aggressive act? Being on the border is not aggressive? Shooting down innocent civilians is not aggressive? Russia started this war of aggression by taking Crimea. Yes, it is an aggressive act.

Aug 26, 2014 10:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
act1 wrote:

Pushy Putin… he’ll only stop when the West gets its act together and support the Ukranians.

Aug 26, 2014 10:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Doc62 wrote:

Putin is an amoral despot, like Assad, Qaddafi or even Saddam.

Another great comment. What is your point? Are Libyans now more happy and prosperous than under an amoral despot Qaddafi? Will they be in some foreseeable future? Are Iraqis now happier and more prosperous than under an amoral despot Saddam? Will they be in a foreseeable future?

Or you do not care about those people, they worth nothing to the self-righteous …heads, the important thing is getting rid of “an amoral despot”. No matter how many women and children will be killed. No matter how many will lose home, shelter, source of income, and hopes for a better future. “An amoral despot” is gone – hurrrrrray! Imagine a doctor performing an appendectomy without caring whether the patient will survive? Patient has died of pain shock – but that’s all right, the important thing is that the appendectomy has been cleanly performed.

Aug 26, 2014 10:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bluesondown wrote:

Putin is like a big bully he will push and push any way he can to get the Ukraine back under Russian control until the bigger kids step in the US and NATO and masses on the boarder like Desert Shield with Iraq. Until that happens this will not end. Anything less Putin will just keep trying to send his military across the boarder. What we need now is just get a minimum amount of the US and NATO in there on the border and this will end. I wish they would stop dragging there feet on this! Putin is serious he got Crimea with out a fight, how much more are we going to let him get?

Aug 26, 2014 10:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

Reuters,

Why should you censor a commentary correcting factual un-accuracies from such as Doc62, where he/she writes of bolshevicks persecuting his family in 1900? I think it is quite important that readers can judge the credibility of a commentator based on the factual accuracy of his/her comments. In this case, the comment is inaccurate, as a quote from the Wikipedia shows (Bolshevicks were established in 1903), and therefore the credibility of Doc62 is in question.

Aug 26, 2014 10:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BruceA2 wrote:

Dear nsanity: I am an American who regularly reads both Anglo-American and Russian online publications. In particular, I read the Telegraph article that you recommend above. I am unable to comprehend why you think that any of this exonerates Russia from the charge of blatant military interference in Ukraine. On the contrary, the Russian media are so obviously contrived and so patently orchestrated as to suggest a return to former USSR standards. Who on earth believes their crapola?

Aug 26, 2014 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Shevchenko wrote:

When 500 Ukrainian solders crossed Russian border, this is ok. When 10 Russian solders crossed Ukrainian border by accident, this is a problem. Something is not adding up

Aug 26, 2014 11:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
observer23 wrote:

“pro-Moscow rebels”? Rebels? Really? Reuters, do you have any clue what’s going on in there? How do you back the statement that they are genuine rebels – oppressed freedom fighters from the region in question? I’m pretty sure the amount of real rebels in that conflict is negligible (not saying there’s none), but the majority are members of Russian army and mercenaries and there’s a lot of evidence backing that.

Aug 26, 2014 12:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tiktin wrote:

I see the Kiev Ministry of Propaganda is posting here. Some of them even claim to be Americans! Well, I am a real American and I couldn’t care less who wins in Ukraine. This is not our quarrel and this is not our war. It has nothing to do with us. 84% of Americans don’t even know where Ukraine is. We need to stop that loony in the White House from dragging us into this war.

Aug 26, 2014 12:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
whatawino wrote:

Shevchenko wrote: “When 500 Ukrainian solders crossed Russian border, this is ok. When 10 Russian solders crossed Ukrainian border by accident, this is a problem. Something is not adding up”

Speaking of numbers, was it 311 soldiers, as reported by Ukraine, was it 438 as reported by Russia, now it is 500?

Did those Ukrainian soldiers cross armed and in tanks, APC’s? Were they seeking asylum, as the Russian media/border authorities claim? Were they 20 km inside Russia before being “captured”?

You are right, comparing apples to oranges will not add up! Neither does deflecting the blame to something totally irrelevant, which is so commonplace for Kremlin’s apologists.

Aug 26, 2014 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
speakfreely wrote:

“…European goods reached its markets via Ukraine after Kiev signed the trade deal with the EU in June.” Putin can’t dictate to Ukraine how to conduct business. Maybe he can do that in Russia, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and the other -stan countries it has control over, but Ukraine is not a territory of Russia. Now that we know what will infuriate Putin, Ukraine should continue and escalate its relations with the EU.

Aug 26, 2014 2:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlkalineState wrote:

Putin has no plan here. What, take over the bills of Chernobyl? Again? They don’t need more territory, they need to focus on their stumbling economy at home. Putin should have stuck to arresting girls who make fun of him. He is in over his head with this Ukraine entanglement. And it is all his own fault. He took the bait.

Aug 26, 2014 3:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
crod526 wrote:

Putin has been once again caught in his lies

Aug 26, 2014 4:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gentalman wrote:

June peace plan was good but kieve themselves broke by attacks on pretext to guard the border where many rebels were there who retaliated and thus that peace plan became meaningless.For a real ceasefire both sides put down weapons which did not happen.The only solution Poroshenko stop offensive and call rebels on table.
Perhaps P.doubts that if federation be allowed,the Russia will take away.Why not this condition be put in the settlement?!that faderation will never be annexed by Russia.

Aug 26, 2014 4:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

Shevchenko wrote: “When 500 Ukrainian solders crossed Russian border, this is ok. When 10 Russian solders crossed Ukrainian border by accident, this is a problem. Something is not adding up” – I’ll tell you what’s not adding up: Crimea.

Aug 26, 2014 5:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

This war could’ve been avoided if not for Merkel’s real-politics and her appeasement of bully Putin:
“Mrs. Merkel’s rejection of a NATO track for Georgia and Ukraine, at a news conference with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in St. Petersburg, would effectively act as a veto.” (2008)

Source: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB122297151270999027

So thank you, Frau Ribbentrop. I hope you will wake up when Russian tanks are all around Berlin again, but there will be no more Marshall Plan for Germany this time…

Aug 26, 2014 5:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Macedonian wrote:

Russia consider getting out of WTO which would be positive move out of the global imperialism. Euro Asian Economic Union fully functional at the beginning of the next year is expected with very positive views exceptionally from Turkey which could turn East instead of West wasting time at the front door of EU. Most of the Balkans are closer Eurasian than European Union. So it will put huge pressure on EU to expand unbearably fast.

Aug 26, 2014 5:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sego wrote:

I think most of the world knows that Putin is a liar and a murderer. But, all that matters to him is what Russians think.

Aug 26, 2014 6:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Xavier123 wrote:

Poroshanko is making a big mistake, he’s making a deal with the devil.

Aug 26, 2014 7:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
paulk97 wrote:

Where are all the fools who were proclaiming Putin to be a chess master only weeks ago? It looks to me he currently in full rope-a-dope mode at the moment. Of course the brain dead/washed still continue to egg him on – fools that they are.

Aug 26, 2014 7:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxen wrote:

As long as US or/and NATO or/and EU stop poking their nose too deep into the affairs of Ukraine, there will be a solution soon. The double standards of West are the main problem here because they incite a few opportunists in Kiev to try and oppress East Ukraine so that West can take over control of economic and geopolitical avenues that curtail or undercut Russia’s interests thus further promoting a uni-polar world!

Aug 26, 2014 7:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BraveNewWrld wrote:

observer23 wrote:
“pro-Moscow rebels”? Rebels? Really? Reuters, do you have any clue what’s going on in there? How do you back the statement that they are genuine rebels – oppressed freedom fighters from the region in question?

What about photographs of the rebel fighters parading captured pro-Kiev militiamen in Donezk last Sunday? Have not seen those? What about reports of western journalists who were on the ground and in the rebel units? Does not count as evidence?

There clearly are also foreign international fighters, Serbs and Spaniards in particular – are they also on the Russian military list? Wake up and check the facts, do not just myths about the mythical “miunting evidence”.

Aug 26, 2014 8:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SKYDRIFTER wrote:

It sounds as though much was said between the proverbial lines. No doubt, Putin clearly communicated his “terms.” Absent an agreement between Russia and Putin, Poroshenko has to be keenly aware that the coming winter temperatures will be the defeat of the ‘new’ Ukraine government.

Even if Russia “extended” the Ukraine credit line for gas, the terms of the only bailout offer, so far, mandate a major jump in the local price of gas for the general Ukraine population. There’s not a lot of difference between the denial of a supply; and the un-affordability of the gas available.

That scenario, in turn, forces Poroshenko to turn to Russia for a cash bailout, also – the only ‘affordable’ one available.

In the most probable scenario, Ukraine will go along with the very terms negotiated by Poroshenko’s predecessor – at the price of losing Crimea, the lease money on the Russian naval base; and the ‘breakaway ‘rebel’ regions.

So much for the White House plan to manipulate a ‘new’ government in Ukraine. The associated shale-oil (which no one was supposed to figure out) will have to wait on Russia.

In the interim, it’s certain that Putin has the ‘rebels’ postured to deliver some nasty blows to the Ukraine Army – even if Russia is ‘forced’ to assist the rebels.

Will Poroshenko essentially invite those blows, by pressing in on the ‘rebels?’ Or, did he walk away with the gut feeling that he was certain to lose in the long term – having to make the hard decision to change course? How many Ukraine lives does Poroshenko regard as being expendable, pending the arrival of winter? He can take that matter up with his brand new parliament.

Aug 26, 2014 8:58pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

do not trust PUTIN

Aug 26, 2014 9:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ARJTurgot2 wrote:

The significant thing in this article is what isn’t present – The U.S. This will be negotiated between Europe and Putin. Susan Rice, in another article, shrieks at Putin, and has no effect. We gambled and lost, she was the architect. This is going to be a diplomatic disaster for the U.S.

Aug 26, 2014 9:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lovetwo wrote:

PCCorruption

Protecting your sovereign borders from the US backed illegal takeover of the past Ukraine Government is not an act of aggression. It is an act of protecting your borders.

Russia did not shoot down innocent civilians that were on an inappropriate flight path, low and over a war zone.

The US started this war when they backed the illegal takeover of a foreign government. Yes an aggressive act as the US has a long history of similar deadly aggressive acts against sovereign nations.

The US must stop their acts of aggression in their own country and around the world.

Truth be known.

Peace be with you All.

Love
Omega

Truth be known.

Aug 26, 2014 10:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Laster wrote:

@Lovetwo wrote:

The US started this war when they backed the illegal takeover of a foreign government. Yes an aggressive act as the US has a long history of similar deadly aggressive acts against sovereign nations.

This all you need to know, and the context in which any worthwhile comment should be framed.
This is U.S. foreign policy ON-THE-CHEAP, and a sad chapter in the quest of our “national interests”.

Aug 26, 2014 11:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
VVS wrote:

“But the very fact of holding the meeting today is already a success, undoubtedly,” he (President of Belarus) said. “… Everybody agreed on the need to de-escalate and free hostages.”
… Well do I remember the events of two years ago. When I returned from a holiday in a prosperous and well-groomed Belarus (which began a quiet campaign to the next presidential election), I saw a report on the BBC TV about the country, where there was a thriving dictatorship, which killed people, blew up houses; where mothers suffered for their innocent imprisoned children. That barbarous country was Belarus! I was shocked by bias, lies and demagogy of that report.
There are only two countries, which have long been doing everything possible to destroy the so-called post-Soviet space – no matter what is the name of this territory.
Vladimir

Aug 26, 2014 11:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
reality1check wrote:

Ukraine should be a neutral nonaligned country between NATO and Russia. Kind of a buffer zone. That’s one smart way to avoid conflict and tension. Some of Ukraine’s population aligns itself East, some West. Neither NATO nor Russia should try to force Ukraine to choose. That’s what started this recent conflict in the first place.

Aug 27, 2014 11:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Darold1940 wrote:

Putin will say whatever you want to hear…..While his troops are invading Ukraine.

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