Ukraine says Russian tanks flatten town; EU to threaten more sanctions

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JPHR wrote:

The US have trying that before but France and Germany put a block on that after Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia in 2008.
http://www.state.gov/p/eur/rls/or/142231.htm

This will not fly this time too. Guess the EU is seriously questioning why they allowed themselves to be led by the US into this quagmire. Their sanctions are already seriously backfiring. EU idiot leadership clearly didn’t envision that Russia would have the audacity to ‘respond in kind’ (which supposedly was the NATO strategy during the cold war). Anyway Russia already announced that it was willing to up the ante and for instance the Western European car industry would be the next subject of sanctions if the EU would would continue to follow this stupid policy. By the way gas storage for the coming winter still has to topped up so the EU will have to consider that too.

Aug 30, 2014 7:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
itsmysayokay wrote:

“Russia’s partners … should understand it’s best not to mess with us,” Putin said.

Ohhh big words for a small man. Don’t mess with Russia…lol

Aug 30, 2014 9:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nooneuknow wrote:

Putin talking about the Nazis?! He is starting to look more and more like Josef Stalin everyday!

Aug 30, 2014 9:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sandtraveler wrote:

Doc62 was right up to the last sentence. Putin has never been more popular in Russia; therefore it is better to face the truth. The Russian Bear is back; the country was always a basket case, and their only way forward is through war. Another lesson; no country in their right mind (Iran, North Korea,etc) will give up their nukes, or they will end up like Ukraine;look for the Middle East countries to Nuke Up. The Ukraine only has words from the mealy mouthed West for support, unlike the Rebels who have Russian Troops and Tanks.

Aug 30, 2014 9:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
speakfreely wrote:

European countries should expect negative impact on their winter gas as more land seizures secure Russia’s access to the gas fields and Crimea.

Aug 30, 2014 9:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ahg wrote:

@ Doc62. There are a few neo-nazis in the new government. There are Russian speaking people in eastern Ukraine. This is whom Putin referred to when he “described Ukrainians and Russians as “practically one people.” The world is not neatly divided between good and evil, just nations with different perspectives.

Aug 30, 2014 10:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
wakeupcall13 wrote:

Ok, a whole town was destroyed. So, where are proof photos? The Ukraine keeps making these claims, yet nothing to back it up. And, their fighter jets shot down MH17, go read the Malaysian newspapers.

Aug 30, 2014 10:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
deserat0215 wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree with ahg and even if it were, good and evil would still be a matter of opinion, culture, political views, religion, etc… What is in fact neatly divided are the countries and regions of this planet. Putin has made it very clear that the boarder and sovereignty of Ukraine mean little to this little man. Even the most uninformed person can see that he wants to maintain economic control of Ukraine. If he cannot obtain it through extortion, it’s obvious he has little problem obtaining it by force.

Aug 30, 2014 10:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DellStator wrote:

Again, Euro gas supplies, get over that capitalist lie. Russia supplies ONLY 6% of the Euro Zones energy needs. If you can’t replace a measly 6% by sharing amongst you and importing through the TWO DOZEN half used LNG ports – from gas being burned off as waste in the Mid East and Africa, then say so, learn Russian, and the US will become isolationist again. We are tired of our allies not wanting to do anything that impacts them.

Aug 30, 2014 11:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sweetkenny wrote:

Does anyone believe anything Ukraine says anymore? They have been proven to lie over and over again. Where’s the proof of the MH17 being shot down? Ukraine won’t release the transmission from the plane to the tower. The US has satellites everywhere but they can’t provide any proof. The black boxes have been in the West’s hands for at least a month and NOTHING. I wonder how the US would behave if Canada disposed of Harper and suddenly elected a leader very friendly with Russia…? People need to look at things in the perspective of other countries and how the US behaves like it’s actions are acceptable (like the plan to bomb ISIS in Syria without Syria’s permission) but when Russia does the similar in Ukraine it’s unforgivable.

Aug 30, 2014 12:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
XeionAlt wrote:

Slap them with more sanctions … Kinda like telling a kid they cant have a candy bar at the checkout isle… Get real.

Enough is Enough, Send the UN troops in to create a buffer zone. I don’t understand why its so complicated. Russia says it didn’t send in troops so then it wont be a war with Russia, after all the UN is not attacking Russian troops if they are not there (yeah right).

Aug 30, 2014 12:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PopUp wrote:

Hey, world leaders, it already is a war. Wake up and help the Ukraine or your country could be next.

Aug 30, 2014 1:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
oxen wrote:

Europeans never learn. They sat in EU capitals and shared out the World during colonization. That is no more. Now they sit in EU capitals trying to decide how other nations need to be governed. That is just greed and hypocrisy. East Ukraine wants to have a say in their governance, and Independence is perfectly on order. Kiev regime is now full of sell outs that are only championing NATO interests. The goal is to have the West get more control of the world resources. It has nothing to do with democracy as Libya, Iraq have proved to be total mess and yet once regimes that stable were removed, West is OK with the turmoil that follows. Turmoil or weak leadership that follows is good for NATO because it gets in leaders like those in Kiev now, that are beggars asking for NATO/EU/USA money, food, weapons, protection, jobs and what have you! Same thing as failed states. East Ukraine should step up efforts for full independence and free themselves from poor leadership and exploitation from Kiev regime and allies!

Aug 30, 2014 1:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
malkavian wrote:

Ukraine is getting more childish.

They destroyed ALL the buildings in a small town. And why the hell would they do that? Name one simple reason? Only not smart people would believe in that childish drama made only to fit the carefully crafted and promoted ‘evil lord’ image of Russia.

Aug 30, 2014 1:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
bbazz wrote:

It is fascinating that the European leaders believe their own populace so disconnected from reality as to believe that there is not already war. The euro-passivism movement has failed to prevent this war and will fail to prevent future wars. Whether it is a lack of money or courage which keeps their leaders from action, I would hope for the peoples’ sake that their leaders find both very soon.

“Are we going to let the situation worsen, until it leads to war?” Hollande said at a news conference. “Because that’s the risk today. There is no time to waste.”

Aug 30, 2014 1:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jrpardinas wrote:

Here’re some simple facts:

1). The USA engineered this mess in Ukraine when it organized and funded the coup in Kiev. The objective was to stick it to Putin (a thorn in the neocons side) and wrest Crimea with its naval base and vast deposits of oil and gas from Russia.

2). Poroshenko (“Porky”) could have negotiated greater autonomy for the ethnic Russian enclaves in East Ukraine rather than send the military to suppress them American-style.

3). Putin will not allow, and rightly, the East Ukrainian population to be turned into a Slavic version of the Palestinians.

4). The Western press has reached a fever pitch of pro-war propaganda when the only possible solution here is dialogue and compromise. The ethnic Russians in East Ukraine have effective weaponry and the will to fight — they will not be conquered. Washington and its European puppets are unlikely to settle this crisis by force.

Aug 30, 2014 2:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Donskoi wrote:

Let’s read between the lines…

“Ukraine’s Interior Minister Arsen Avakov said a group of pro-Ukrainian fighters had broken out of encirclement by pro-Russian rebels near Donetsk early on Saturday, though other reports suggested many remained trapped.

Defence Minister Valery Heletey also ordered a clamp-down on information coming out of Ilovaysk, a town to the east of Donetsk.

Indicating government forces were being pulled back from the area,”

In other words, Kiev is abandoning those of its fighters who are encircled and trapped and the reaction is to eliminate any of that news getting through to any other Ukrainians, either those who are fighting for the revolutionaries in Kiev or those who oppose them.

Aug 30, 2014 2:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
branchltd wrote:

Destroying towns they occupy only adds to Russia’s financial costs, and they ultimately can’t sustain the costs they’re facing now. The West merely has to be resolute, gradually increase economic sanctions against Russia and provide economic and military aid to the Ukraine. Putin is living off of the Pension Fund of the Federation of Russia. When that’s gone he’ll follow.

Aug 30, 2014 2:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Total disaster was a classic way to win for russians army in Chechen republic.

Aug 30, 2014 2:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Stanley7746 wrote:

malkavian if the town supported Ukraine and you destroy all the houses you have cleared the area of non-supported of your enemy. Childish is not the thoughts that I have.

Aug 30, 2014 2:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eturugo wrote:

I do not believe Reuters or Ukraine military spokesman, Andriy Lysenko, that Russian tanks fired on every house. Russia cannot destroy the houses of citizens seeking to join Russia. There are unbelievable propaganda and Reuters should refrain from publishing them to maintain its image.

Aug 30, 2014 2:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlbertLeo wrote:

“But Ukraine military spokesman Andriy Lysenko told journalists in Kiev that Russian tanks had entered the small Ukrainian town of Novosvitlivka on the border with Russia and fired on every house.”

This doesn’t sound right. Why would they do that? The border region is full of ethnic Russians. How would flattening this town benefit Russia at all?

Aug 30, 2014 3:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NogginAbroad wrote:

So, we learned nothing from the USSR and..or WW-II. Why did Germany successfully invade the Ruhr, and Czechoslovakia, and Poland?

Because the West is composed of a bunch of fat-butted, complacent sheep, who will just have another glass of wine and hope that the bad guys will go away.

Who wants to waste lives defending a people who will not defend themselves?

Pass the croissants, please, and get me another glass of wine.

Aug 30, 2014 3:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
busseja wrote:

The Ukraine uses Russian Tanks NO? Russia gets to supply both sides…YES?

Aug 30, 2014 3:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ScubaDude wrote:

Any person who is a fan of Abe Lincoln should be happy about this.

Aug 30, 2014 3:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mandingo wrote:

Putin on Friday compared Kiev’s drive to regain control of its rebellious eastern cities to the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in World War Two.

Putin on Saturday compared Moscow’s drive to regain control of its rebellious southern cities in Chechnya to eating fluffy cake on the Volga.

Aug 30, 2014 3:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kehenaliving wrote:

the poilitcial pansies in europe hope for a “peaceful settlement from the former head of the KGB. They need to get their heads out of their butts and send troops and guns or let it be shown what a joke NATO really is.

Aug 30, 2014 4:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Phoning it in from the 4th tee box, Obama votes “Present”.

Aug 30, 2014 4:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

So let me get this straight.
Russian tanks went to a village located in a region that is said to be pro russian, and leveled all of the homes?
Somehow this doesn’t pass logic.

Aug 30, 2014 4:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

To say Putin is good for Russia, is like saying icebergs were good for the Titanic.

Within the current quagmire, you can bet your bottom dollar that Putin desperately wants to unload the world cup in 2018. It’s one huge financial burden that he’d rather not have round his neck.

It was probably why he was sowed the seeds for it not to happen in Russia the other day in his scripted Q&A session with school children.

It can’t happen. The cupboard is bare sending his troops on holiday to Ukraine armed to the teeth.

Aug 30, 2014 4:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

Tut tut Russia.

Being the world’s pariah comes at a price.

It will take decades before anyone will trust them again.

Aug 30, 2014 4:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JackHerer wrote:

@DellStator – too true.

France and Germany in particular have been laughably pathetic when it comes to fighting this open aggression across Europe’s borders.

They clearly have very short memories.

Either that or they simply have no shame turning the other way, while they leave others to man up and do the decent thing.

Aug 30, 2014 4:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yupper56 wrote:

Sanctions, really! That works.
Someone please tell me why their is a UN. With the US funding most of its costs?

Why wouldn’t Putin do what he wants. There is no one to stop him.

Obama scares no one, and Putin knows Obama has no backbone much less a clue on anything. Other than how to be a hip-hop President.

Free rein for all terrorist is what we have.

Aug 30, 2014 4:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
godiva wrote:

Russia and Ukraine use the same tanks. When the Ukraine army divided, following the US financed coup of the Ukraine government, both sides of the civil war seized Ukraine military equipment in their areas. Ukraine is a large producer of military weapons and so is Russia. Im not biting at the propaganda the EU and US throw at me to start a war so that they can maintain the petrodollar. Its going and you will just have to find real jobs now.

Aug 30, 2014 4:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
buldi wrote:

As for similarity with Hitler, nobody in the world compares to Putin himself,

Aug 30, 2014 4:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
buldi wrote:

As for similarity with Hitler, nobody in the world compares to Putin himself,

Aug 30, 2014 4:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheDirk wrote:

To my disappointment, this article is either badly written or intentionally misleading;
“Russia denounced the pro-Western leadership that took over as “a fascist junta” and went on to annex Ukraine’s Crimea peninsula. “. Different from what the authors of this statement suggest (and the editor Mr Heavens accepted), Russia did not just go ahead and annex Crimea. An overwealming majority of Crimea’s people (that would easily outperform just any known criteria for a democratically legitimized constitutional change) voted to secede from Ukraine and to join Russia.

This matters!

Aug 30, 2014 4:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

Russia DOESN’T advance in Ukraine, no need. There is no evidence of Russian presence on a ground whatsoever. Ukraine will disintegrate by itself in the fall. Without energy, oil to refine, with major budget contributors like Crimea and Donbass, and soon Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk.

Yugoslavian tactic has failed, beating civilians to submission haven’t brought the results; on the opposite, people took their families to Russia, and came back to rise arms.

There is plenty of Ukrainian weapons in the area, today alone, Ukrainian forces surrendered about 50 armor units, hundreds units of infantry weapons. In return, rebels offered them a right of passage, but not to the brownshirts, who committed countless crimes against civilian population.

Aug 30, 2014 5:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SanPa wrote:

Putin does not care about sanctions. He will care about US Abrams Tanks facing off against his volunteers and paid “rebels”.

Aug 30, 2014 5:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Animalaura wrote:

God bless Mr. Putin for being a true leader and for loving his beautiful Russia. I wonder what it would be like to have such a leader in the U.S. that loved America as much!

Aug 30, 2014 5:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

No doubt this will result in a serious speech by the President and a whirlwind tour of press conferences by Kerry. That will certainly set Putin back on his heels. And this from a White House that just received the Chamberlain Society’s highest rating for its treatment of the Kurds to appease the Ayatollah – five umbrellas.

Aug 30, 2014 5:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eaenki wrote:

Anyone who believes Ashkenazi Fascist Poroshenko and his fellow Ashkenazi Fascists that took over the Ukrainian government is clueless. Where is the Old Comrade Vitaly Klitschko the boxer/Mossad agent that riled up some Ukrainians at the start of this? All hail the CIA and the EU for starting this war. GO PUTIN! (Find out who owns Reuters and know the source of most media lies in the world). Bye

Aug 30, 2014 5:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wootendw wrote:

“The crisis started when Ukraine’s Moscow-backed president was ousted by street protests…”

…that were organized by Assist Sec of State Victoria Nuland and Ukraine Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt. The demonstrators were paid – a way of life many destitute Ukrainians – including the snipers who were working for the ‘new coalition’ supported by the USG-led West.

Aug 30, 2014 5:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kommy wrote:

T-64s and T-64 “Bulat” are NOT Russian-issued tanks, these are tanks of Ukrainian army abandoned in the field.

Therefore Russian tanks CANNOT flatten a little town.

Aug 30, 2014 5:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mott wrote:

“.. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, attending an EU summit in Brussels, said he was hoping for a political solution ..”

Poroshenko is not serious – if so, this issue could have been resolved by now by some meaningful power-share.

Bottomline, as EU/IMF/US to have started this mess, they’ll end up losing over time as the opponent this time is both – capable and means serious business.

Aug 30, 2014 6:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
agwisreal wrote:

The basic lie that underlies everything else is that the protests in Kiev were “orchestrated” from the US.

The US cannot orchestrate a duet, much less a mass movement. Even where we held practically all the cards, as in Iraq, we could not orchestrate a democratic government. Even though it would have been much better for the Iraqi people to have heeded our advice, Nouri al Maliki went his own way and decided to purge his armed forces of all Sunni officers. Upshot? Shia “officers” who knew only political infighting, given to lead Sunni Iraqi army forces around Mosul, proved totally incompetent on the battlefield, and ISIS won at Mosul.

The much superior military performance of the Ukrainian Kiev government army is proof enough that the people of Ukraine are behind their government. That they genuinely support it. That it is not orchestrated by the US.

Aug 30, 2014 6:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gshock77g wrote:

Ukraine says, Ukraine says. Why do so many people want to start a massive war because Ukraine says?

Aug 30, 2014 6:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
gunste wrote:

So is France still going to deliver the ship they built for the Russians? It should be obvious to them that letting the sale go through would merely show that commerce and money are more important than principles.

Aug 30, 2014 6:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
OksanaT wrote:

I have a question. Where was Mr. Hallande the last mothes when he is saying this “Are we going to let the situation worsen, until it leads to war?” Hollande said at a news conference. “Because that’s the risk today. There is no time to waste.” There is a war at least 3-4 monthes. Puting is doing what he wants, but all EU leaders are only concerns and warry. Guys act faster.

Aug 30, 2014 7:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Simplerman wrote:

Putin/Russia have certainly shown their true colors.

US and NATO need TO NOT let this one slide.

Reuters also needs to stop censoring the comments.

Aug 30, 2014 7:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
valvdr wrote:

So, Russians entered a bordering town and “fired at every house”? What kind of a gullible person needs to be to believe this?!

Aug 30, 2014 7:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
borisjimbo wrote:

The tanks used were T-90s, Russia’s latest that Ukraine has none of, hence Russian claims that the rebels have been using captured Ukrainian armor are false. WW III has begun.

Aug 30, 2014 7:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JJ429 wrote:

There’s no (as in ZERO) T90s in Ukraine. Nobody knows how to drive a T90. The tanks are T64s, some T72s, and maybe some T80s. All made in Ukraine.

Aug 30, 2014 8:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
salb444 wrote:

This is so embarrassing how all of this is unfolding. Putin and Lavrov, make jokes. What tanks, what invasion, you are seeing things, those images are from a video game…. No respect or fear from this American president at all.

Aug 30, 2014 8:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
salb444 wrote:

Russian speaking people. This is a pretext for an invasion? Eastern europe is in deep doo doo.

Aug 30, 2014 8:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MrB.L.Zebub wrote:

Here is what I have seen through this entire fiasco.

The US went into Western Ukraine with NGO’s, The US State Dept and the CIA and fomented a revolution against a democratically elected govt. It does not matter who that Govt may have shown greater deference to, whether the US or Russia. So the US laid the ground work for Ukraine to become a bankrupt failed state just waiting for a civil war. But in the great shortsightedness of our current administration. The thought that simply kicking out the Pro Russian guy would end in happy land with a Pro US guy in his place, not at all taking into account that Russia cares and that a whole lot of people in the East of Ukraine really care too.

Now, Putin is doing exactly what a forward thinking person would expect him to do, defend his interests in a country that is on his nations border. The lands in Ukraine he is defending and securing his influence over are lands that historically were Russian before Ukrainian and only become Ukrainian after they were annexed into Ukraine while under the control of the Soviet Union.

When you look at all this with a lense of history and pragmatic reality. What is happening today in Ukraine is ONLY because we have a President who actively set up the circumstances for it to happen and did so with some flat headed belief he was going to be able to put one over on Putin. He totally miscalculated Putin because he has no depth of thought, no critical thinking skills and no understanding of the most basic of human nature.

Thats my ten cents for the price of two, gratis to boot.

Aug 30, 2014 8:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Putin has proven himself to be an evil liar and Russia to be rogue state. Putin is using the very same methods as Hitler, disinformation to his country, using the excuse to protect ethnic Russian speaking people as a pretense to invade. The world is much weaker and Russia is drawn back 25 years do this evil man.

Aug 30, 2014 8:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ronryegadfly wrote:

The longer this drags on, the worse it will get. The EU needs to man up now, not tomorrow, now. Send troops to defend Ukraine or the war will spread out of control. Putin won’t stop until he is made to stop.

Aug 30, 2014 8:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SaveRMiddle wrote:

Another US CIA/EU encouraged regime change which isn’t going well. 2600 dead so far.

Russians destroying Russian homes? Doesn’t make sense.

Aug 30, 2014 8:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YesNoMaybeSo wrote:

If Eastern Ukraine was attempting to become it’s own country I’d have some sympathy for them, but this just smells like Crimea 2.

Aug 30, 2014 9:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I’m sick of innocent people losing their lives because of self centered, corrupt government officials. Try Putin as an international war criminal or better yet, hang him from the neck.

Aug 30, 2014 9:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Birds of a feather flock together. Russia cannot be trusted and nor can any of their questionable friends.

Aug 30, 2014 9:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Birds of a feather flock together. Russia cannot be trusted and nor can any of their questionable friends.

Aug 30, 2014 9:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
News-Junkie wrote:

Who wrote this article? Unverified reports? Could I get paid for that? Propaganda on such a level, that is where we are today. If one is to mislead the population, you must make it sound balanced, like you have no interest other then information. Like this example …The crisis started when Ukraine’s Moscow-backed president was ousted by street protests in February after he ditched a pact with the EU that would have moved the ex-Soviet republic firmly toward Europe and away from Russia.
So who backs the new government? Not noted. Was the removal of that administration acceptable? They have a constitution. Why not at the polls? Why slanted news? Because there’s a much bigger agenda then what people can grasp.

Aug 30, 2014 9:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
DeSwiss wrote:

EU to threaten more sanctions = EU to continue shooting its feet

Aug 30, 2014 9:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Europe and the United States should quit fixating on Russia and the Ukraine. Our real and very imminent threat is ISIS. However, it is still more politically correct to slam Putin than to say “Islamic Jihadist/Terrorist”.

Aug 30, 2014 10:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dikobraz wrote:

Russian tanks in Ukraine:

The mixed convoy includes at least three T-72B1 Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) but it is the appearance of a lone, more modern T-72 variant (shown below) that is of particular significance.

A screengrab from the video footage analysed by IISS – 26 August 2014
This variant, distinguished by the prominent Kontakt-5 Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) arrangement – the boxes on the turret front – is commonly referred to by Western sources as the T-72BM.

It is operated by the Russian Army in large numbers, but crucially it is not known to have been exported or operated outside of Russia.

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28961080

Aug 30, 2014 10:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dikobraz wrote:

Mariupol and surrounding Ukrainian towns/cities are anti-Russian. The people of Mariupol already rejected the pro-Russian forces at the beginning. Now they are conducting marches in opposition of Russian forces. The people don’t want to be taken over by Russia.

So, what does Russia do? Flattens their homes. Wait to see what the Russians will do to Mariupol if they get the chance. Just like Putin did in Chechnya – where he showed ABSOLUTELY no regard for civilians.

A lot of people are deluded about Putin and don’t understand what he has already done and what he is capable of doing. He doesn’t care about civilians unless they support him. Civilians like the ones in Mariupol are not people to him, they are an annoyance preventing him from reaching his goal. He will have them killed without a second thought.

Aug 30, 2014 11:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UauS wrote:

By the time Merkel imposes new sanctions, Russian tanks will be around Berlin again.

Aug 30, 2014 11:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dikobraz wrote:

@SaveRMiddle Neither the US nor the EU was involved in regime change in Ukraine. We, the Ukrainian people, did this. Yanukovych was like a millstone around our necks and when he refused to sign the EU Association, enough was enough. You should stop regurgitating things you don’t understand.

As for Russians destroying Russian homes, you again show complete cluelessness. Russians destroyed the homes of Ukrainians who oppose Russian influence. People of Mariupol are not pro-Russian AT ALL. The Russians will have to kill them to take Mariupol. After what Putin did in Chechnya, there is no doubt about what will happen next.

Aug 30, 2014 11:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MyersKL wrote:

The lies about Russian and its invading troops and tanks are becoming more laughable by the minute. Where is the photographic evidence of a Russian invasion force? There isn’t any, because Russia hasn’t invaded.

We’re once agains witnessing the U.S. trying to manipulate public opinion by demonizing Putin, while trying to sour relations between Russia and its major EU trading partners. The same pack of neo-con jackels spreading lies about Russia also concocted the lies about Saddam Hussein’s “weapons of mass destruction.” Apparently, they’re deadset on starting WWIII. They truly are a psychologically disturbed bunch of warmongering sociopaths.

Aug 30, 2014 11:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bluhorizons wrote:

Creating sanctions is a lot like giving aid money to the UN. We know it is ineffectual and never accomplishes it goal but we feel guilty doing nothing. So, w do something that is akin to nothing but it feels better.

Aug 30, 2014 11:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rich_F wrote:

and in other news, Ukraine accuses Russia of using the Vulcan mind meld to make its citizens hate the new leadership. it’s frankly pathetic at this point listening to Poroshenko’s continuing lies, distortions and grand fairy tales. can we actually get some reality reported on?

Aug 30, 2014 11:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EnzyteBob wrote:

One of the in-laws in my extended family, a Macedonian from Greece, told me something I will never forget: “East and West don’t mix.”

American neo-cons need to stop kidding themselves. The Cold War is over. Most of the Slavic/Orthodox world loves Russia. If they want to be with Europe, it is because they want Western bling. But history is transitory. Relations have their ebbs and flows, but blood is thicker than water and like generally stays with like.

Aug 30, 2014 12:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
EnzyteBob wrote:

“This is so embarrassing how all of this is unfolding. Putin and Lavrov, make jokes. What tanks, what invasion, you are seeing things, those images are from a video game…. No respect or fear from this American president at all.”

Kind of like Barry does when people ask him about Benghazi, the IRS, the inflation rate, the unemployment rate …

Aug 30, 2014 12:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DmitreyL wrote:

I am against invasion if there is one. But why are you publishing clear misinformation. Because Russians would not destroy town of people who want to join Russia. Absurd.

Aug 31, 2014 1:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MarcLawrence wrote:

Hollande asked, “Are we going to let the situation worsen, until it leads to war?” What’s he smoking?

It is war now.

Aug 31, 2014 1:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
9thCrusader wrote:

In the history of world sanctions, I can’t remember where direct or indirect force was not involved and required. Time for a proxy war against Putin. Cut ALL financial transactions from Russia with the free world while your at it. Have USA/Arab world supply oil and gas to Europe.

Aug 31, 2014 2:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MikeB003 wrote:

When the police are absent, the criminals run wild. Since WW2 the US has been the only country with the will and resources to act as the world’s policeman, keeping criminals like Putin in check. But now, with Obama, that useless waste of human skin, in the White House, or more accurately, on the golf course, the criminals know that they’re free to do anything they want. That’s why the whole world seems to be burning. When there’s a power vacuum, evil will quickly fill it. Does anyone seriously believe that Putin would dare invade Ukraine if Reagan or Thatcher were still in office? In a modern spin on the claim that Emperor Nero fiddled while Rome burned, President Zero golfs while the world burns.

Aug 31, 2014 2:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RobDekker wrote:

@ahg, yes. Like some countries that are trying to make their young democracy work, and some other countries that believe that it is best to simply take their neighbor by military force….

Aug 31, 2014 5:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RobDekker wrote:

DmitreyL, here is an eyewitness account of what the Russian military is doing in Novosvitlivka :

http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/08/survivors-of-attacked-civilian.html

Aug 31, 2014 6:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JoelEllis wrote:

DmitreyL, why do you find it hard to believe that Russians would attack a Ukrainian town that supposedly sympathizes with them when they attack their own politicians?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/30/us-ukraine-crisis-russia-funerals-idUKKBN0GU0B020140830

Russian aggression is polarizing Ukrainians against Russia. The separatist movement in Eastern Ukraine never had much public support which is why in the Donbass, a region of several million, they could only field less than 10,000 armed separatists. Most Ukrainians wanted to live their lives in peace, but Russians on their soil is making it evident that they can’t.

Aug 31, 2014 7:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
buldi wrote:

One thing is for sure: Donald Tusk is no “hawkish Kremlin critic”. At least he has never been seen as such on Poland’s political scene.

On the other hand, it is also true, than any politician from Poland , Estonia or Romania will have a lot more reason and clear mind when it comes to Russian issues than anybody, say, from Spain or France…

Aug 31, 2014 7:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Cleveland2012 wrote:

Let’s wait to hear what Italy and France and Germany have to say when Russia turns off the gas and their economies fall off a cliff. And in other news: the US removed a Brigade of infantry, armor, artillery, and support, from Baumholder, Germany in the last couple years. Looks like that was done just in time for the big game.

Aug 31, 2014 7:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
buldi wrote:

One thing is for sure: Donald Tusk is no “hawkish Kremlin critic”. At least he has never been seen as such on Poland’s political scene.

On the other hand, it is also true, than any politician from Poland , Estonia or Romania will have a lot more reason and clear mind when it comes to Russian issues than anybody, say, from Spain or France…

Aug 31, 2014 8:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jukius wrote:

If you prefer Russia in occupation the Ukrainian territory, you should provid strong evidence of it. It’s not enough to rely on “they say…” or “Parashenko said…”
For example the WW2 ended near by the Reihstag. Germany was occupated by the forces of the Antanta Union: GB, Fr, USA, SU and others. You can find a lot of evidences of this fact. They divided Germany on two parts: SU occupated the eastern part and GB with the USA occupated the western part. SU forces left Germany in 1989. GB and USA call themselves as NATO and still stay in Germany. And moreover in Eastern Europe.
Anyway befor seeking the true aggressor in that conflict – ask yourself: who sent the Ukrainian forces on war to the eastern region? What for? who maintained the armed coup d’état? Who wants to earn money on another war and lend-lease?
Fear rules the world that’s way NATO makes us afraid of Putin and Russians inventing different myths or shooting posing. They monitor our Facebook accounts because they need to control fear in our minds.

Aug 31, 2014 9:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
GospodinB wrote:

Perhaps the Russians will blame the Ukrainian army for destroying the building in that town? Will the Russians go north toward Donetsk or will they go west in an attempt to control the coastline all the way to Crimea?

Aug 31, 2014 10:03am EDT  --  Report as abuse
111Dave111 wrote:

I call for immediate talks on “statehood” for southern Russian, ‘Cossackstan’.
It will include Adygea and Rostov, and any part to the south they can conquer (or can conquer them).

I call for immediate talks on “statehood” for Siberia. The US will be sending arms, immediately.

Maybe the Fins, Lithuanians, Estonians, Latvians, and Polish governments have other good ideas, I endorse them all and we should send arms to them.

Aug 31, 2014 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
HarryChester wrote:

Sanctions; Great!
Sanctions have worked so well with North Korea, Iran, Syria, etc.

Aug 31, 2014 12:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Detmolder wrote:

This is very reminiscent of the rebellion of the Texas pro-US terrorists, who fought for independence from Mexico. With the support from heavily armed infiltrators from the USA they defeated the rightful government of Santa Ana. Do I get any support from the people condemning Russia’s support of the Russians who want to become independent from their Ukrainian overlords, to right this wrong? If not, you are just a bunch of hypocrites.

Aug 31, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Detmolder wrote:

This is very reminiscent of the rebellion of the Texas pro-US terrorists, who fought for independence from Mexico. With the support from heavily armed infiltrators from the USA they defeated the rightful government of Santa Ana. Do I get any support from the people condemning Russia’s support of the Russians who want to become independent from their Ukrainian overlords, to right this wrong? If not, you are just a bunch of hypocrites.

Aug 31, 2014 2:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
demsreallysuk wrote:

Why doesn’t our idiot president give the Ukranians some anti-tank weapons? obama = POS

Aug 31, 2014 3:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Darwin1865 wrote:

Putin better be careful…He may make Obamanation “Mad as hell” and find himself facing another red line in the sand!

Aug 31, 2014 6:00pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Darwin1865 wrote:

oh yeah! Just wait until Obamanation gets mad enough to interfere with his golf game. Then watch out! Another red one in the sand. That will show Putin whose boss!

Aug 31, 2014 6:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BanglaFirst wrote:

Europe should learn from the past that is never give away to aggression, invasion and occupation as evil Putin is doing now. And Europe must slap punitive sanctions on Russia and stop all Energy trade and likewise the Free World must do the same with Israel which occupies Muslim Arab land since 1948 because Israel is also an invader and occupier same goes for China in reference to Tibet & Xinjiang and India in reference to Kashmir & Hyderabad which are Muslim land occupied by devil India since the Brits left India following end of WWII!

Aug 31, 2014 6:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BanglaFirst wrote:

Europe should learn from the past that is never give away to aggression, invasion and occupation as evil Putin is doing now. And Europe must slap punitive sanctions on Russia and stop all Energy trade and likewise the Free World must do the same with Israel which occupies Muslim Arab land since 1948 because Israel is also an invader and occupier same goes for China in reference to Tibet & Xinjiang and India in reference to Kashmir & Hyderabad which are Muslim land occupied by devil India since the Brits left India following end of WWII!

Aug 31, 2014 6:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ericblanca wrote:

By the time EU bureaucrats sober up from their public-financed cocktail parties, Russian tanks will have started to driving into Germany “accidentally”. It is ironic that they are threatening more sanctions “if the situation gets worse” despite the situation being as bad as it can get given the full-blown war. Not that different from EU’s indecisive response to the economic crisis which left almost 30 million people unemployed to this day.

Aug 31, 2014 8:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

There will be no war as Putin is looking for a way out and still save face! He want’s talks with Ukraine and will demand a autonomous
state for Easter Ukraine!

Aug 31, 2014 9:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
radiomankc wrote:

Time for all the other former USSR countries to join NATO. And Fortify with NATO forces.

Aug 31, 2014 12:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
radiomankc wrote:

Time for all the other former USSR countries to join NATO. And Fortify with NATO forces.

Aug 31, 2014 12:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
tomnails wrote:

Interesting press conference by the DNR commanders on vineyard of the sakers. Also at this point the junta is getting there but kicked, and have no other recourse but to resort to lies. Like the MH17 flight full of dead bodies they claimed was shot down by the DNR, and anything that comes out of Micheal Aluminum tubes Gordon mouth or keyboard claiming and reporting to see Russian tanks backed-up a blurry satellite image or was it a video game image. corrupt journalism read Karel van Wolferen

Sep 01, 2014 11:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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