Disruptive Hong Kong protests loom after China rules out democracy

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caa1000 wrote:

China, are you trying to make Hong Kong into a Tiannamen Square 2014? Be careful with what you want!

Aug 31, 2014 10:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Carlos1942 wrote:

“Britain made no mention of democracy for Hong Kong until the dying days of about 150 years of colonial rule.” … lol

Aug 31, 2014 12:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BelieveInLove wrote:

A government that does not exist by the consent of the people via free & fair elections is not a legitimate government.

Hope, prayers, and good thoughts to the wonderful common Chinese people that they have the rights and freedom they deserve.

Aug 31, 2014 12:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kamanalo2 wrote:

Freedom, Liberty, Justice and Equality are eternal birthrights that all humans are born with but those rights are stolen from them at their births by hoodlums, goons, gangsters and thieves collectively and illicitly known as ‘the government’.

Aug 31, 2014 12:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
WJL wrote:

Heckling Mr Li is hardly conducive towards free speech. A minority rabble cannot be allowed to control Hong Kong like Ukraine.

Sep 01, 2014 1:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
wetroot wrote:

HK,is such a small place its the only way the morons there can entertain themselves,

Sep 01, 2014 1:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ILoveHK wrote:

This kind of undisciplined protest and heckling of Li just makes the pro-democracy contingent look weak, lacking in focussed purpose and is not helpful to their cause. The first thing I thought, only half jokingly, was “maybe the people of HK are not ready for democracy,” if leaping to civil disorder, when there are more constructive options, is how they would choose to use that freedom. Thankfully these disorganized and muddle-headed protesters are not representative of the passionate and intelligent HK population as a whole. And they will continue to be useless to the cause of freedom and democracy so long as they continue their current tactics, which are nothing more than selfishly adopting a cause as a fake reason to try to justify their own desire to “act out” and create mischief. The same is even truer of the fabricated, incorrect “occupy” movement, who would seem to have made a refined art of fakely adopting causes for selfish aims to try to justify violence and hostility. We must show these pretenders that there are consequences for trying to harm valid causes by using them in these fake ways. To advance the cause of democracy and freedom they need to take responsibility for it, and devise constructive ways to get people on their side. Severing ties with and condemning the “occupy” movement would be a first. Then, working within the framework of the Basic Law to advance universal suffrage would be an effective second step.

Sep 01, 2014 3:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ILoveHK wrote:

It makes me so angry that those incorrect “occupy” fakers are trying to hurt HK and seemingly doing so without consequences. We must show them there are consequences for their attempts to harm what is good. HK media needs to take up the offensive and reveal their incorrect ideology and behaviour for exactly what it is: a choice to misuse a good and fair cause as a fake reason to justify their visionless attempts at harm, violence and hostility. The democracy and freedom movement should step back from the incorrect “occupy” vagrants and advance the valid cause, which includes universal suffrage, through constructive and effective channels within the Basic Law. That way works.

Sep 01, 2014 3:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
songster wrote:

Democracy: who once tasted it hard to quit.

Hong Kong is one of the least corrupt societies in the world. The economic growth is rooted in British colonization.

Recipe of the Chinese economic miracle: pervasive corruption, nepotism combined with the socialist planned economy adaptation of capitalism, all in the bosom of total state control. Free-style socialism with Greco-Roman capitalism.

These two successful evolutionary models are now facing each other in a country where Western multinationals are fighting a growing market segments. “Gain market share in China and the world is yours!” Whose democracy?

Sep 01, 2014 4:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bfar wrote:

All around the World, the oppressors and the sadistic are hurting those who want to be free, and decent, and good.
very sad.

Sep 01, 2014 4:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bfar wrote:

LISTEN. More innocent people dissidents were slaughtered by Communism than in all the Wars of all history. (Mao and Stalin and numerous other sadistic monsters. insane oppressors. SOME GOOD DAY FREEDOM AND LEGAL RIGHTS AND PROTECTIONS WILL PREVAIL. Never give up. The good must win over the cruel and ruthless.)

Sep 01, 2014 4:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bfar wrote:

Comparing Britain to Chinese COMMUNISTS is insane. Mao Tse Tung — just for one miserable example of communism — MAO slaughtered 70000 MILLION DISSIDENTS (more by other counts). SLAVE LABOR TORTURE DEATH NO HUMAN RIGHTS NO LEGAL RIGHT . THIS IS NOT NOT NOT similar to Britain.

Sep 01, 2014 4:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ajsfca wrote:

Freedom for the people of Hong Kong! Freedom for the Chinese people!Freedom from the CCP!!

Sep 01, 2014 4:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ExRA wrote:

If 70000 million Chinese people have been slaughtered at the time of Mao, there is no more Chinese left today.

The proposal to elect the Chief Executive in 2017 is still via one person one vote. The contention is with nomination of capable people to stand in the election. A few years ago, the same people who protested today tried to register a dog at the CE election. Do they really understand democracy. Election is not a show to gain publicity.

We need to get a CE capable of resolving dozens of hard pressed issues in everybody’s daily life, not to spend time bickering and squabbling at whether one is a communist of no communist.

Sep 01, 2014 5:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
DrCruel wrote:

We are watching history being made. Over two hundred years ago, a novel experiment began where the working public was allowed to decide their own affairs. Now socialist aristocrats in China and Russia, Syria and Venezuela, and in a number of other nations, have begun to explore how a democracy might be reversed. They are exploring how a free people might be converted back to peasantry.

It won’t be an easy road, and missteps are bound to occur. Can people be made to forget what it was once like to be free and independent? Can nations be carved up like livestock in a slaughterhouse, without the people of that region having any say in the matter, just like back in the days of kings? Is fascist propaganda effective enough to convince the public that those who resist are rabble, worthy of no better than to be sent to labor camps or slaughtered like cattle? If not, can they be cowed with threats of mass reprisals and slaughter?

The curse has come true. We live in interesting times, comrades.

Sep 01, 2014 6:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TuNnL wrote:

No wonder China was so eager to help Hong Kong escort Edward Snowden out of the country and on to Russia. He would be leading the charge for democracy in that country right now.

Sep 01, 2014 6:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
woq wrote:

since HK is heart of the financial center for Asia, then if in the long run, Beijing does what it wants to do, and the businesses can’t work with that, and Beijing is unwilling to support HK financially, then HK will mostly sink since many financial centers will probably move to Singapore…I would be very concerned too if I were a politician in HK…maybe they want it to sink and make Shanghai the next center

Sep 01, 2014 6:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
aunticcp wrote:

The Chinese Communist Party is a gangster regime that has murdered eighty million of its own people since 1949. It offers its people no human rights whatsoever. Right now it is attempting the genocide of the tens of millions of innocent Falun Gong who live in Mainland China. Atrocities such as torture, slavery, organ harvesting and murder are being committed every day and the Western media says nothing because of corporate greed. The weak U.N. even appointed the blood-thirsty CCP a seat on its Human Rights Council this year. Shameful. Money doesn’t talk, it screams. Thank you for your concern.

Sep 01, 2014 7:45am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Redford wrote:

The dragon makes a meal. More to come.

Sep 01, 2014 10:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
riposte wrote:

Sorry Hong Kong. You should have pushed for independence under the British and not stopped till you got it. Now, under the Chinese, there is ZERO chance you will get it.

Sep 01, 2014 10:56am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Redford wrote:

bfar, that’s an estimated 70 million murdered in the so-called cultural revolution. Still making Mao the greatest mass murderer in history.

Sep 01, 2014 10:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
harmony2100 wrote:

The article finally made a fair statement, which is “Britain made no mention of democracy for Hong Kong until the dying days of about 150 years of colonial rule.” The report did not mention that many more people in Hongkong are against the so called “pro-democracy” movement which disrupted the normal life/work activities in Hongkong with illegal activities.

Sep 01, 2014 11:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
dd606 wrote:

“Britain made no mention of democracy for Hong Kong until the dying days of about 150 years of colonial rule.”

Yeah, except they didn’t do stuff like banning internet and arresting people for speaking against the government, did they. HK people wanted this, so they got it. You have to look pretty hard to find a nation that has fared better after imperial rule. Most have become a disaster.

Sep 01, 2014 1:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eturugo wrote:

Was there “democracy” during the British rule?. Those demonstrators do not understand.

Sep 01, 2014 2:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
isthnu wrote:

@BelieveInLove

Thank you for your well wishes to the Chinese people. The current crop of agitators are only thinking for themselves and not the 1.3 billion mainlanders who are working hard to better their livelihoods and not to be stifled by constant political bickering, turmoil and instability. As you can clearly see what this tiny opposing camp is capable of in tiny Hong Kong, can you imagine the scale of chaos in an even much larger environment?

I would like to enjoy “free and fair elections” myself tomorrow, or even right now, but is it possible when the region is only now starting the wheels of universal suffrage?

Sep 01, 2014 4:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NPeril wrote:

Another Snap Shot Photo of the larger, current and future, geopolitical, cultural and economic differences between the East and West that will continue to harden into immovable stone. With the advent of Dèng Xiǎopíng and his open economic policies that had energized China’s inert global foundations into the world’s second largest economy while rapidly expanding China’s domestic social culture and physical infrastructure.

Understanding that the West’s Political/Corporate/Social landscape has been altered over the last 50 +/- years as Realists were replaced by Idealists who believe that education, $$$, new laws, global leadership, etc. could influence all cultures to evolve into a ‘kinder, gentler world’.

Among the many graphic failures assigned to Western Idealists is their devotion to Social Progressivism and the assumption that varied nations/cultures are willing to share in this Idealism as a member devotee practices a blind-faith religion. The largest numbers of Nations abhor Western Idealism and despise Social Progressivism.

That said; please pay particular attention sharp, fixed differences between China and the US. At the moment and for the foreseeable future; China unflinchingly and without apology assumes quiet supremacy over the US. China’s supremacy will remain unchallenged as long as the US is governed by Idealists/Social Progressives. Note: Other Nations have or will come to select either China or the US in which to give allegiance in this quiet political/economic/culture conflict.

Sep 01, 2014 5:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bakhtin wrote:

Is anybody surprised that Hong Kong doesn’t like oppressive Chinese rule?

Sep 01, 2014 8:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
steveyu wrote:

Most of people associated with Occupy central is also hostile to people from mainlander. They generally look down upon mainlander as uncivilized poor neighbors. This feeling culminated into a song calling mainlander “wasp” or “insect”. This totally soured mainlander’s feeling to Hongkong. Lots of mainlander, who dislike Communist party themselves, do not have much sympathy for Hongkong people democracy request.

Sep 02, 2014 3:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
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