Bush's Swiss visit off after complaints on torture

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alreaud wrote:

Is there an international warrant out for his arrest? What’s the bounty? Where are you, Dog, when we need you, LOL!

Feb 05, 2011 10:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
texoman wrote:

After WWII our gov’t executed a japanese soldier for waterboarding. The same treaty we used to condem and kill this prisoner for war crimes still applies today. Bush has admitted to authorizing waterboarding. Our legal system has failed us by not investigating this and taking the proper actions. No wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for us.

Feb 05, 2011 11:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
RckyMtns wrote:

At least the Swiss are one country that obeys international laws, even if the United States feels free to just ignore any law that it doesn’t like or care to enforce.
The Swiss have this 100% correct when it comes to the war mongering, torturing, law breaking Bush.
I would love to see the lying, law breaking, murdering Bush be brought to justice.
Just goes to show you what a FUBARed country the United States really is.

Feb 05, 2011 12:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
txgadfly wrote:

I hope no one has forgotten Dick Cheney and is aides.

Feb 05, 2011 12:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
txgadfly wrote:

Disregarding international law and the Geneva Conventions, it is a Federal felony for each instance of waterboarding, and that law is specifically aimed at Federal employees and officials. The current administration has decided not to prosecute the hundreds of criminals who we know were involved. Apparently, it matters who you torture as well as who orders the law broken. Now the law does not say that.

Feb 05, 2011 1:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tjp77 wrote:

Soooo… are they going to threaten to arrest Obama also? Because he’s continued the Bush policies almost to the letter. Funny how the ‘activists’ always seem to overlook that point.

I travel to Switzerland frequently and do business with several companies there, and will now look into pulling any work I can from them. This is utterly disgraceful. They Swiss government should have dismissed these petulant children like the self-indulgent time wasters they are.

Feb 05, 2011 2:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OCTheo wrote:

Bush did not have a US passport until he became the Supreme Court made him the president. That is why he is so ignorant of other people’s concerns. To Bush, the world revolves around the United States. To Bush US owns the world and can use it any way Bush decided. And so he did. Millions were killed under his watch. Thousands of Americans were murdered, over a million Iraqis and Afghans killed.

Why does he want to travel now, when he never travelled before? He thinks he can clean his image and sell his book. I pray that one day, this monster will give account of his crimes against humanity.

Feb 05, 2011 3:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rvs053063 wrote:

Consider this scenario. Your family has been buried with 30 minutes of air. The guy who knows where they are isn’t talking. The cops tell you that you should say goodbye to your loved ones. Oh, except there is one thing we could try . . . what would you do? What would any of these high and mighty critics do? Just because the people that waterboarding saves aren’t your family, doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be saved nonetheless.

Feb 05, 2011 6:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Life1 wrote:

@TJP77:

Please, pull all your business and stay out of my country! Don’t need another joker who believes that somehow the Geneva Convention doesn’t apply to them.

Feb 05, 2011 7:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
saucy_fellow wrote:

Bwaaahahahah, you Bush haters are so delusional and paranoid. All this phony chest thumping about international law. What a comedy show. Thanks for the laugh.

Feb 05, 2011 7:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dadada11 wrote:

Bush should change his mind and take Rumsfeld with him.

Feb 05, 2011 7:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
georgeaz wrote:

This hypocrisy stinks to high heaven!

Switzerland welcomes every autocratic, human rights-abusing dictator and his money. Lybia’s Gadaffi’s son can come to Switzerland, beat up his servant(his slave)on Swiss soil and be released with an apology after Gaddafi threatens to pull a few billions out of Swiss banks.

Medvedev and Putin come to Davos – I have seen no complaint that Russia routinely uses torture on thousands in Chechnya and Dagestan. Mubarak – who we all know is a nasty abuser of human rights – never had a problem. Amnesty international reports that China, Egypt, Syria Iran, Ghana, Malaysia among others of tortute – yet their leaders have never been threatened with arrest.

Shame on you Switzerland!

And as for those posters who bandy about International Law – I suggest you do some research to inform yourselves of what that law does and does not say, and avoid displaying ignorance for all to see.

Feb 05, 2011 8:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
comeandtakeit wrote:

President Bush is a good and decent man that did what was necessary to defend our great country from people like you. He is also a fellow Texan and yes I’m one of those Texans that cling to my Bible and guns. If you want Bush, come try and get him!

Feb 05, 2011 8:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ginchinchili wrote:

You do that, tjp77. I’m sure you’ll really be teaching those crazy liberal Swiss a lesson…what lesson are you teaching them again? Oh yeah, that America’s conservatives are above all laws and that they are smarter than everyone else in the world, despite their aversion for curiosity, real science, intellectualism, humanity, and education. Who needs edumacation when you got the Lord?

While they’re arresting Bush, I wish they’d pick up the rest of America’s neocons. Then, and only then, will our country be able to rejoin the international community of sane nations. Man, we’d be a great nation once again. What a nice thought…

Feb 05, 2011 8:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DanStlMo wrote:

The world does revolve around the USA.

Feb 05, 2011 10:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bystander29 wrote:

@tjp77: There is no evidence that Obama has resorted to torture. Indeed, Bush stopped using torture techniques before he was out of office. Further, Obama is a sitting head of state and is probably immune from arrest. Bush is no longer a head of state.

@rvs053063: Considering that the US found it necessary to waterboard detainees dozens of times over a period of several weeks, I’d say the air would run out long before you’d get useful information. The ticking time bomb situation only happens on TV, not in real life.

@georgeaz: I know quite a bit about international law. So, I would guess, do the lawyers who are pressing this case. What do you pretend to know that we don’t? Kindly put up or shut up. BTW, Medvedev & Putin are likely covered by official immunity, as is Mubarak (for now). Surely you are famliar with the “Arrest Warrant Case” (Congo v. Belgium) since you pretend to be so knowledgable on international law?

Feb 05, 2011 10:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Life1 wrote:

@goergeaz:

The pinnacle of hypocrisy is the denunciation of double standards by an American… Instead of trying to teach others about International Law, you should maybe try to describe the virtues of dropping cluster bombs on unarmed civilians for those of us who still don’t get it.

The two might seem unrelated at first, but i’m sure you can make the connection.

And something you might want to think about: as the supposed greatest and most concerned bastion of freedom and democracy in the world, it’s quite pathetic that you cry foul when you’re held at a higher standard than the others. Especially compared to that list of first grade third-worlders you so carefully put together.

The irony, considering the dismay you feel at the apparent ignorance of others…

Feb 05, 2011 10:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
allenr wrote:

This takes the cake . The protesters were bringing shoes too. That had to be the straw. These people ran roughshod over meaningful civil liberties right here at home and that’s what really hurts. Now with Koch ridin herd can we expect less? What will you be thinking in 2012?

Feb 05, 2011 11:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
frisbeeredcat wrote:

comeandtakeit- W is not a Texan, he’s a Yankee from Connecticut. Guess you fell for that whole dog and pony show Rove dreamed up to sell W. to us. I suggest you read “Family of Secrets” if you want to know who the real W. is. This good, decent man, lied to us about Iraq, to start a war, for what? I pray for him, violence and killing are not the way. BTW, you must be very frightened if you feel you need that gun.

Feb 06, 2011 12:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
marisa70394 wrote:

Wow, if Bush can be arrested for ordering the torturing of war criminals, then Hu Jintao can be arrested for imprisoning a Nobel Peace Prize winner for simply speaking up for following the constitution. Actually, almost any world leader can be arrested for doing something to hurt human rights, but strangely these so-called rights groups go after soft targets. Why don’t they go after the real offenders of human rights as we see in China, Arab countries, Vietnam, Zimbabwe, Iran, Venezuela, etc. I just think you human rights groups are rather chicken when it comes to who is really causing the most damage to human rights.

Feb 06, 2011 7:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
waldob wrote:

They will be coming after Obama next for his killing of women and children with his drones in Pakistan

Feb 06, 2011 7:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
lhathaway wrote:

The best news I’ve heard in a long time.

Feb 06, 2011 8:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
johne37179 wrote:

These so called human rights groups should be held accountable for torturing the truth and common sense.

Feb 06, 2011 8:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
cntrlfrk wrote:

President Bush should be given a Nobel Peace Prize instead of being threatened with prosecution for imaginary crimes by ignorant leftists.

Feb 06, 2011 9:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
sickntired67 wrote:

Soon a New World Order will emerge and be dictated by a supreme ruler who will reside in Sweden.

Feb 06, 2011 9:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
Life1 wrote:

@marisa70394:

The real offenders of human rights??? The USA remains the largest offender of human rights along with Israel in the WORLD.

As a simple refresher, you might want to look up the number of people that have died either directly or indirectly as a result of illegal activities by the USA or Israel in the last 10 years, and then compare that to the amount of deaths caused by the dictatorships and tyrants of the rest of the world combined.

Guess what? It won’t even be close…

As long as you keep deluding yourself that these simple facts aren’t the reality we live in, your leaders will never feel the need to change their ways.

As for human rights groups being ‘chicken’ (really???), the difference with them and you lot is that they don’t make any difference between Americans and the rest of the world. Maybe if you didn’t just read the US section of your favourite news websites related you’d be aware of that….. but, guess it’s too much to ask to give a flying f about something that doesn’t directly affect your little bubble. I mean, ‘if it doesn’t affect me, who cares!’, right?

Feb 06, 2011 10:25am EST  --  Report as abuse

Do people really think something as timid as waterboarding is torture? Really?

Feb 06, 2011 10:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
whatsso4me wrote:

Atheists dominate Continental Europe so that the place is dangerous for Jews and Christians to dwell. Bush is smart to steer clear.
Perhaps Islam will play a vital role in restoring the European’s respect for God.

Feb 06, 2011 11:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
CensibleSol wrote:

rvs053063
Consider this scenario. Your family has been buried with 30 minutes of air. The guy who knows where they are isn’t talking. The cops tell you that you should say goodbye to your loved ones. Oh, except there is one thing we could try . . . what would you do? What would any of these high and mighty critics do? Just because the people that waterboarding saves aren’t your family, doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be saved nonetheless.

Hey rvs053063, consider this:
suppose you do all of the above, don’t get there in time and your family dies, then consider this, they catch they guy, then consider this, since laws were broken in the catching, he walks.

We have laws for a reason, breaking them for good cause doesn’t work, stop being so republican.

Feb 06, 2011 2:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jayneereich wrote:

The Swiss only care because they are making so much money hiding the assets of the mid-east terrorists.

Feb 06, 2011 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The implications of these international legal actions aimed at prosecuting George W. Bush for the crime of torture, suggests that Bush’s book is viewed as a “confession” to committing crimes against humanity that is admissible in court.

Feb 06, 2011 3:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
VultureTX wrote:

That Japanese solider used something we then called waterboarding, GWB authorized another technique also called waterboarding on 3 terrorists.

The difference. GWB’s version does not have the potential of drowning. nor of actual damage to the lungs. So most informed bush haters have a problem, if they get a trial what happens when it turns out that the court says this is not water-boarding as defined in the treaties but a new method of interrogation.

Feb 06, 2011 3:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
berrymoore wrote:

As an American, I am so happy about this! Finally, someone with cajones to stand up to Bush, et al. Can’t see Bush ever traveing abroad again in his lifetime! Cheney, either! Kudos to Switzerland. I support you 100%. Would love to see these two take the perp walk!

Feb 06, 2011 3:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

If Bush can’t go to Switzerland how is he ever going to be able to get his hands on all the money he has hidden there.

Feb 06, 2011 5:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
masterwebber wrote:

For all you liberal thinking human beings out there. Do you really believe the extremists are here to make you a better person and a better world? Do you really believe we live in a utopian world where everyone is kind to one another and will go out of their way to be their brother? Do you really think that a non-Muslim can walk the streets of any Muslim world without the threat of being kidnapped or worse killed? Do you really think the U.S. is such a bad place to live? Do you not believe that the U.S. is the ONLY country in this world that stands up for the greater good of humanity? I hate that people constantly are bashing George W. Bush especially when Mr. Obama has continued to same treatments and actions as his predecessor. We live in a chaotic world where Muslim extremists have only one thing on their mind and that is the complete annihilation of the way Americans think and act. Become Muslim or die. If you don’t think that we are in a religions war you better wake up and smell the coffee. If this is the world you live in, you’re living in a fantasy world and I am grateful that we have people like George W. Bush that still think in the real world. Get real people and quit playing the politics of the game and face the reality of the real world.

Feb 06, 2011 5:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Fact is that George W. Bush is extremely wealthy, and can travel via private transport to any country that won’t arrest him. There is enough for Bush to see in this country, Canada, New Zealand and Australia alone to last the remainder of his lifetime.

I have trouble feeling sorry for the mass murderers of innocent people in those New York skyscrapers. Unlike some, I’m not so forgiving, especially if the people jumping from the burning towers were my family, friends or relatives. The Swiss are fortunate in not being burdened with such bias that people close to the situation, like myself, have to live with.

If my mother was brutally murdered and someone waterboarded her murderer, I would admittedly be a biased party. The Swiss could preach to high heaven that it was wrong to waterboard my mother’s murderer, and they might not have a clue as to how the murdered victim’s son feels about her killers. In a nutshell, there is the rub here; Bush is an international criminal to those who never experienced a terrorist attack on their soil, while the families of the 911 victims might be biased toward Bush’s efforts to bring the killers to justice. It’s all a matter of perspective, and I’m not condoning waterboarding.

Feb 06, 2011 6:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Life1 wrote:

@MasterWebber: It clearly still hasn’t sunk in that the entire muslim extremist ‘Al Qaeda’ problem was created by Americans in the first place, has it? Do any of you guys even know the history of this Bin Laden guy you keep blaming?

Other than that, if you actually took the time to go out in the real world from time to time, you’d know that non muslims are all over the Middle East. They’ve been there since Marco Polo! And no, they don’t get kidnapped, and no they don’t get killed. There is a possibility one of your old US pals of the Mujahideen might slit your throat, but lets keep it in perspective:

Imagine i went into one of your ghetto’s thirty years ago, rounded up some crack dealers, promised them to rebuild their ghetto if they killed a whole bunch ofrival gang members for me, and after they did all my dirtywork i just got up and left them out to dry. To top it off, i even came back 30 years later with some of my real friends and bombed them to high hell from 30′000 feet.

What would you think they’d do to me if i then went and ‘walked’ their streets?

Simple question, simple answer, but unfortunately you lot prefer to ignore reality as if it’s some sort of a leftist propaganda tool…

Feb 06, 2011 7:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Life1 wrote:

@MasterWebber: It clearly still hasn’t sunk in that the entire muslim extremist ‘Al Qaeda’ problem was created by Americans in the first place, has it? Do any of you guys even know the history of this Bin Laden guy you keep blaming?

Other than that, if you actually took the time to go out in the real world from time to time, you’d know that non muslims are all over the Middle East. They’ve been there since Marco Polo! And no, they don’t get kidnapped, and no they don’t get killed. There is a possibility one of your old US pals of the Mujahideen might slit your throat, but lets keep it in perspective:

Imagine i went into one of your ghetto’s thirty years ago, rounded up some crack dealers, promised them to rebuild their ghetto if they killed a whole bunch ofrival gang members for me, and after they did all my dirtywork i just got up and left them out to dry. To top it off, i even came back 30 years later with some of my real friends and bombed them to high hell from 30′000 feet.

What would you think they’d do to me if i then went and ‘walked’ their streets?

Simple question, simple answer, but unfortunately you lot prefer to ignore reality as if it’s some sort of a leftist propaganda tool…

Feb 06, 2011 7:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lolaTilaMarie wrote:

I saw a picture of Ms. Bush last week. She had a lovely pantsuit on.

Feb 06, 2011 8:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse

RckyMtns:

The Swiss were the willing accomplices to the Nazi genocide of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, Poles, and countless others.

The Swiss almost got away with stealing tens of billions from the liquidated victims of the death camps. They only coughed it up after having been begged for decades by the distant survivors.

The Swiss have no concept of terror because they have the most repressive immigration policy in the world.

How dare anyone Swiss lecture or pretend to be a humanitarian when your uncles, aunts, and grandparents were complicit in the rape of European wealth?

Tell the Swiss to butt out and apologize for their shame and hypocracy. The blood and booty of millions is is still an integral part of their famed banking system.

Feb 06, 2011 11:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Villa wrote:

I saw when ex-President George W. Bush came to Canada for a speaking engagement, that there were protesters outside the event calling for his arrest, however the Police ignored the calls, if he has a warrant out for International arrest, then the Police should have responded, it looks as though if you are in Canada or the USA, certain people of high societal status or wealthy, the Police are able to ignore ttheir sworn duty of upholding justice in these two countries?

Feb 07, 2011 12:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
SpockSays wrote:

The Swiss have no problem with hiding these criminals money but for God sake don’t waterboard these international criminals or we will prosecute you.

Feb 07, 2011 3:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
jeff81201 wrote:

I wish Dick Cheney would go to Switzerland.

I am grateful that the world is keeping the pressure on these two jacks.

Feb 07, 2011 4:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
GetpIaning wrote:

Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney have all had to cancel trips abroad for fear of arrest and prosecution for war crimes. What does that say about the US Department of Justice?

Feb 07, 2011 11:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
FarmerBob wrote:

Once again the “revisionists” skirt justice.

Feb 07, 2011 11:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
johnam wrote:

This looks like an admission of guilt. If George truly believes that he is not guilty of war crimes he should travel to Switzerland, allow himself to be arrested and try to prove his innocence. What happened to all that fake Texas cowboy bravado?

Feb 07, 2011 12:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Scriv wrote:

Bush openly threatened to invade the Hague if a single American was prosecuted! Of the 19 who committed the most atrocius act on 9/11, 17 were from S.Arabia. Instead he went into Iraq first and brought about the death of a million Iraqis and destroyed the country. Sadam was an old friend of America! So was Osama bin Laden! Something is radically wrong somewhere. A good example of creating ‘the wind’ and reaping the ‘whirlwind’! Lessons have to be learnt.

Feb 07, 2011 12:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gnarlyerik wrote:

The US executed many Japanese soldiers for waterboarding prisoners after WWII. They used the exact same excuses Bush & company have: “We tortured to save lives”.

And, suddenly, international law doesn’t apply?

Feb 07, 2011 2:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Californian16 wrote:

Most people realize by now that left-wing trouble-makers will invariably come out of the woodwork anytime anyone but leftists are invited to visit, lecture, etc. – no matter what country !

Feb 08, 2011 12:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
martinnoth wrote:

Knowing Swiss history (it’s because of them that the Nazis to put the J on Jewish passports) they probably went after President Bush because he was invited by a Jewish group.

Feb 08, 2011 12:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rwethereyet wrote:

gnarlyerik wrote:
The US executed many Japanese soldiers for waterboarding prisoners after WWII. They used the exact same excuses Bush & company have: “We tortured to save lives”.

And, suddenly, international law doesn’t apply?

One BIG difference! Japan lost The war and those soldiers in Japan, Germany, etc., were brought to justice. Last time I checked the US is still ruled by the US. And as for Switzerland, I rather doubt Mr. Bush is losing any sleep over this decision. They’re are fewer countries of less significance!

Feb 08, 2011 2:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Blood Money Tour has now been canceled
as per Gordon Duff at Veterans Today ~

Feb 08, 2011 11:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
iflydaplanes wrote:

As CensibleSol so kindly points out “We have laws for a reason, breaking them for good cause doesn’t work, stop being so republican.”

Does that also apply to the 13 million plus illegal immigrants who break our immigration laws to “find a better life for themselves and their family” as the argument likes to go, or should we just let that hypocrisy slide?

Feb 09, 2011 10:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
Lifer59 wrote:

A simple check will reveal that the crimes the Japanese were convicted of included beatings, burns and other crimes. Someone show me a link where a Japanese serviceman was convicted on the basis of waterboarding alone.

Feb 09, 2011 3:05pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sinbad1 wrote:

@masterwebber
You are wrong I have walked the streets of Muslim countries and had no problems, on a couple of occasions I was asked where I came from but that was all. I must admit it might have been different had I been American. Americans seem to be unwelcome in many countries not just Muslim countries. As a christian Muslims respect that I worship the one true God and are most welcoming. It is hard to rate whole nations or religions but in my experience Muslim people are probably the most polite and generous people on the planet.

The only countries where my life has been threatened was the Philippines and the US.

Feb 10, 2011 5:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
bossmeh19 wrote:

Well done, Switzerland. So now that that’s over, how’s the offshore bank account business for obvious criminals going? Good? Great.

Feb 10, 2011 10:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
FLirishPM1959 wrote:

Funny. I’m sure they allowed Iran’s Hitler to visit. He only stones women to death and hangs people for speaking out against him. If what happened in Gitmo is torture, then they better shut down every major American college campus immediately since most hazing incidents are far worse than having some water poured over your head.

Feb 11, 2011 3:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JayWx wrote:

cry me a river you liberal pansies.
he did it, its done, and its been done on your behalf to ensure you are kept safe.
i could give a rats tukus about how it was taken care of, nor do i think our former President even gave two seconds notice to this article or the groups mentioned in it.

Feb 11, 2011 8:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JayWx wrote:

PS- for all of you liberal so called intelligent people who ‘read’ the article….no where in the article does it say that a ‘warrant’ for President Bush’s arrest has been issued. ONLY that they are seeking a warrant for his arrest. Guess what…..they can seek all they want, no country in its right mind, nor any country with an ounce of credibility will EVER issue a warrant against a Current or Former President of the USA.
What these idiotic liberals call war crimes are actually just the common events of war itself.
WHERE are these liberals…when DANNY PEARL is being beheaded? DID THEY TRY AND ARREST OSSAMA? WHERE are these idiotic bleeding heart liberals when journalists from all walks are being executed on live tv for al jezzera? WHERE are the arrest warrants? WHERE is the righteous indignation?
The FACT is, the ONLY reason these liberals have their panties in a wad, is the fact Bush was president in the first place. They dont like him, so they will attack him regardless.

Feb 12, 2011 1:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
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