House seen blocking healthcare funds

The first act of sanity I have seen out of Washington in 2 years.

Hopefully not the last.

Good.

Since it was ruled unconstitutional then it should be blocked from funding.

AMEN to that, brother!!….

GO Eric Cantor!!!!

There is no ObamaCare law. It was found to be unconstitutional.

You can’t fund unconstitutional legislation. Obamacare was ruled by a federal judge to be unconstitutional. His ruling is unchallenged. Anyone working on implementing this legislation is committing fraud.

Good

Great! Its a good start but much more improvement is needed.

Yes!! Call your Rep and encourage them on this! Even if they are already in favor of defunding they can no doubt use the cheering on!

Keep working at it, new GOP.

Let the deconstruction of this vulgar monstrosity that is Obamacare begin!

Great News!

No sense in funding a bill that can”t pass constitutional muster

Excellent news, the Obama regime is already acting in contempt by still pushing ahead with this now illegal Democrat bill against the courts and against the will of the American people, so well done congress, put a stop to this lawlessness!

If the House votes to not fund the Health Care Legislation, isn’t that the end of it? There is nothing the Senate can do to challenge the House vote, right? It just dies right there in the House.

Wouldn’t that be wonderful? It would mean the United States is actually going to honor the Federal Court Ruling on the Unconstitutionality of the Law, and not take any further action on it until some Court says otherwise, if ever. None of the States of the Union would be able to exercise any of the unconstitutional actions for which the Law calls.

I would appreciate any further discussion of this issue by others who are more schooled on the operation of the Legislative Branch and the Constitutional issues raised here than I am.

Thank you GOP. Next Dept of Energy and then Dept of Education.

And remember, they promised $100 billion in cuts. It’s time to hold their feet to the fire. Why would our representatives vote to find something that has been declared unconstitutional? Let’s hope the rule of law prevails and not the rule of man.

It is about damn time.

“The measure is not likely to get past the Democratic-controlled Senate, which has already rejected a stand-alone effort to repeal the healthcare law.”

It seems to me that unless the House passes legislation to include funding, the health bill still is not funded, no matter what the Senate or President does. The most that non-action by the Senate can do is force the House to reconsider the budget.

The House holds all the cards here, and if it sticks by its guns it will fall on the Senate and President to deal with a budget with no health care funding. How long can the twom of them punt that one?

Good for the Republicans… They are showing that they heard the people andd they are making attempts to accomplish what they were sent to DC to do. The people are watching the obstructionist Democrats who are continuing to try to force the radical liberal agenda down our throats, and we will remember when elections roll around in 2012.

Ok the writer of this article did not do their homework as Obamacare was never funded in a budget and since the house controls the purse strings of the budget they do not need the senate to defund obamacare.

Just wait. Dear Leader will find a way to force funding. You can take the community organizer out of Chicago, but you can’t take the Chicago out of the community organizer.

Unless I missed a news report somewhere, Obamacare cannot be enacted or funded. It has been ruled unconstitutional. Unless or until the Florida decision is overturned, it is no longer a valid law. Statements by Administration officials and Senate majority members that the judge did not enjoin enactment are disingenuous at best. The act of declaring it unconstitutional nullifies the law. No injunction is necessary.

Fantastic news!!! Now, let’s stand behind all those that are willing to start to do what they said they would do. I am so tired of Obama using “just words” to try to make people think he is in agreement with cutbacks. This will show him our representatives are not going to just use words to get in office, they’ll take action on our behalf now that they are there!!

It’s about time…and Senators…you vote along party lines and I and many like me will work to have to defeated in 2012…along with Obamq

We need to repeal Obamacare. This could turn our country into another Greece. We can’t keep adding free loaders to our healthcare system.

Has anyone listened to Reagan’s “A Time for Choosing?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

It is amazing how it applies for what we is going on today, except, of course, that most of those things he talked about are today implemented in government. That is, our government today has moved considerably into socialism. It is amazing how the language “pay for tax cuts” just became common jargon among the political classes. And Obama and the Democrats accelerated greatly our move towards socialism the last 2 years. By the way, notice how the liberals are becoming more bold by the day, yesterday Obama talked about redistributing private interprise buinesses profits. If they had their ways, they would be regulating that, maybe they already have. Today Howard Dean is declaring that it is the role of government to “redistribute wealth.” WOW! And the so-called MSM is used to ridicule those who call the Democrat’s agenda: socialist! But that is exactly what it is! What happened last November needs to keep going!

Doesn’t matter what senate does. All fiscal matters must originate in the house, if house doesn’t fund it, it’s dead.

This is great news. Its about freaking time!

Good for the Pubs and good for the investigative chairs like King and Issa. As many legislative votes the leadership can get to put all the Dems on the records for not only CARE, but for energy, borders, whatever, the American public will finally see how Dems really think and vote without the media covering for them. Who knows but that some Blue Dogs will vote for the Pubs on this defunding bill in the House. And perhaps some Dems like Manchin will vote for it too in the Senate. Miracles do occur even under this tyrant Obama.

Cutting $32 billion from a $3.7 trillion budget is another sick joke being played on the American people. That’s comparable to a car dealer reducing the price of a $37,000 automobile by only $32. Big freakin’ deal! The government takes us for a bunch of fools, which I guess we are because we keep re-electing these swindlers.

Good to know these guys are hard at work on job creation!

Right after they get finished fighting the culture wars and passing useless bills that won’t make it out of the Senate.

It would be illegal for the congress to fund any provision of the now defunct Obamacare bill.

the bill was held unconstitutional and is null and void. If in the event Obama and his boys appeal and the supreme court offers a writ and on appeal the supreme court rules to overturn the federal court ruling then funding can be taken under consideration.

The effect of the legislation will be how it is worded. If there is no enforcement funding, that sounds good, but it doesn’t help with the uncertainity that our hyper-active government has created. businesses have to plan.

And the federal judge’s rulling only kicks the matter upstairs. If you’ve been up on it, since the Dem’s took the severability clause out of the legislation, the decision to push Obamacare forward depends on whether Kennedy sides with the 4 other statists on the Supreme Court. If he does, we’ll have to slog it out every legislative step of the way.

I wouldn’t get wrapped up in the $100 billion number. Its not enough to affect the monsterous deficit, while killing off Obamacare is a good session’s work all by itself.

Simply Outstanding Republicans. This is why each of you were voted in and why you now have majority support. Does a heart and my small business good. Go get em…….

No problem with a repeal of Obama Healthcare, but can we get some alternatives. Unless you feel there is nothing wrong with the healthcare system?…….You people think the government “coming between you and your doctor” is any different than the current for-profit insurance company in between you and your doctor. The physician is not in control of treatments, procedures, or even medicines prescribed. These are dictated by the patients insurance company. I work in a major cancer institution and I see it every single day. Im not referring to protocol and off-label use either. Please dont follow-up with rants about socialism or marxism or whatever. I truly am just looking for alternative ideas as they are hard to find past all the arguing and media slant in both directions.

Both parties “play” us. Don’t you realize the cut Cantor described is like getting only $32 knocked off the price of a $37,000 car. It’s not even a decent beginning, yet people here seem to think he’s sincere. I’m an Independent voter and am against Obamacare because it’s a gift to the big insurance companies. I dislike both major parties because they both take their marching orders from people we don’t elect (i.e., special interests — the biggest of which is the Fed).

This show down does look bad for Obamacare. I find this very troubling. How can we compete in the world market if we cannot afford to provide health care. You call it socialism, I call it part of being in the first world. As the ONLY first world country that doesn’t have nationalized health care, we look more like India than Japan, and more like China than Germany. As the leader in the world in consumption, industrial output, and GDP, it is AMAZING that we cannot agree to provide health care for our citizens. I say ditch our military and focus on schools and health. If we did that then business would have an educated and healthy workforce like Japan and Germany. If you want to stay ahead rather than slide into 3rd world status, then you have to invest in the quality of your society.

This is a great first step, but they’ll lose momentum, and possibly public sentiment, if they forget to keep explaining the rationale and how it ties back to a conservative philosophical approach to the issue. Conservatives need to be fearless on this one and keep teaching.

Jon
www.gutfeelingbook.com

Since all funding bills originate in the House, it shouldn’t be difficult to block all funding for the Health Care legislation. If the majority Dems in the Senate chose to block all future funding bills because the DON’T include funding for the Health Care bill, many of the the 23 up for reelection in 2012 will seal their electoral fates.

While I’m glad to see people fighting against national health care, I do hope that we will also propose free-market reforms.

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/patients/nationalized-health-care-insurance

Only The House can authorize the expenditure of funds, it does not mater what the senate wants when it comes to appropriations.

One way or the other, the Obamacare monstrosity will be severely curtailed, if not repealed and replaced. My hope is that the socialist democrats in the Senate continue to ignore and reject the clear will of the American people who want the health care bill either repealed or largely restricted, so that they lose control of the Senate either this year or in 2012.

LEEDAP, 90% of the medical procedures and technology in existence today were invented/developed in the last 40 years, IN the United States. The idea that our nation can’t compete in the “world market” because “we cannot afford to provide health care” is a complete fallacy. Our nation emerged from the original 13 colonies to become the most powerful nation on earth, economically and militarily, WITHOUT a national health care system and BEFORE these medicines, procedures, and technologies were ever developed. THe Left has repeated the mantra that “health care is a right” and that we “can’t compete without healthcare” so repetitively that some like you have bought their propagandist lies and are actually starting to believe it.

Just because a doctor or a company develops a miracle cure, and that cure happens to cost $500K, does NOT mean all people have a “right” to it. They may have an option to purchase that cure, but if they can’t afford it, they’ll do what people have always done BEFORE that cure was developed.

to fund a law deemed unconstitutional would be contempt of court

wow, what a crying shame and disservice to Americans…notwithstanding, Americans will make clear their desire and intent to keep this important legislation, and wiser minds will prevail resulting in a funded healthcare package…if Republicans are truly compassionate and God fearing as they proclaim then this will be funded…if Tea Baggers are truly Americanites as they proclaim then business special interests won’t prevail and healthcare will be funded…if Democrats are truly with the people then they will fight, persuade and fund the healthcare package…

Bad ideas.
Poor understanding by most of the people commenting.
My guess is that it is one person really.
Health care reform is a done deal move on.
We need jobs.

These Republicans are as stupid as Democrats. If they want to cut and balance start by rolling back all government non defense, uniformed salaries by 35-45%, which is the amount they are overpaid compared to the civilian workforce.

If they get upset they can quit.

so am if my public education is correct $32B/$3.7T is ~0.86% spending cut? puh leez – let me know when they are serious about spending cuts (http://politicalmatador.com/?p=32)

Leedap,ditch our military?we wouldn’t need health care at all if we did that.you need to invest in history 101.

Good. No compromises with the ruinous, ill-begotten zerocare. IT must be repealed boldly and irrefutably and radical leftists left with no option but to move to the center . . . hopefully with kneepads in tow.

Eric Cantor for president. Finally, a House that makes me glad I voted Republican!!! Keep it up, GOP!

A 2% cut in the deficit is hardly worth getting excited over. Republicans are going to have to do a whole lot more to slash the size of the federal government if they are to become trusted by the job producers. Jobs will return quickly only if the republicans remain merciless in their opposition to Obamacare and massive deficit spending. Either way, the Senate Democrats may take a beating in 2012 for their refusal to repeal Obamacare. 2012 is looking very good for the republicans. Come on, jobs!!!

Blocking implementation of a national health measure whose provisions are widely liked hardly sounds like a vote-winning strategy. It does, however, sound like a good red-meat fund raising tactic. Since the money garnered from the fund raising is subsequently used to broadcast deceptive ads that do win votes, the whole combination makes a creaky kind of sense. Yet I can’t help wondering how much longer the Republican assumption that their voters are both ignorant and inattentive can continue working so well. Although that assumption has proved its correctness for at least 60 years, the internet age may yet invalidate it.

Demos. will be responsible for closing down the Govt.

Hopefully, the lack of funding will keep the law from being implemented until it is ultimately ruled unconstitutional. Also, as funding is held back, the public will continue to demand that the law is replaced by something that works (i.e. something that will get funded).

Why is it that everyone has disregard every spending cut as being too small and thus not worth the trouble? It’s not like there is ever going to be one giant spending cut that just guts everything all in one bill. We didn’t get to trillion dollar defecits with one bill and we won’t get out of it with one bill. EVERY spending cut should be supported because it is going to take a LOT of them. Each one might not seem like much compared to the monster debt, but they add up over time. If you had $30K of credit card debt would you justify every $50 new expenditure as nothing to worry about due to it’s comparatively small size? That’s the same degree of idiocy as not supporting any given spending cut for not being large enough.

As Barry said: “Elections have consequences.” Sort of backfired huh Barry?

@Ralphooo — on what planet is this bureaucratic mess of a health care law “widely liked”? Americans by and large were screaming “NO!” to this thing, and they are clamoring loudly in favor of its imminent repeal or invalidation through the courts. Nice try though.

@Sensibility, the Obamacare law has already been ruled unconstitutional by Federal Judge Vincent. His ruling has not been stayed, and there is nothing pending before the SCOTUS. Regardless of whether one subjectively thinks it is good or bad, as of right now, it is objectively not a law and therefore can not be funded.

Amazing. You don’t think it is tad inconsistent for Cantor and crew to say YOU can’t have have affordable medical coverage, but it is OK for Cantor and crew to have EXCELLENT tax payer funded medical coverage (for life)? Sure, Cantor and his fellow “rejectors” have to pay 30% towards their coverage, or something like that. But if Cantor and crew wanted to be really consistent in their philosophy, shouldn’t they REJECT their tax payer funded health care coverage? Hey tea party, get rid of Congress’s tax payer funded medical coverage too. (I can almost hear their tiny minds exploding after reading this…!)But of course, the Republicans only care about their millionaire buddies. They don’t give a crap about you, the people reading this. Cantor’s plans will help the Koch Brothers’ companies and the insurance companies to continue to gouge us regular folks. Pretty clever if you’re a millionaire.

A federal court has already ruled that the law is unconstitutional. Any fund supplied should be denied until an appeals court and/or the Supreme Court overrules that decision. We have a nation of laws people. Can we pretend to follow them or should we just throw in the towel?

You do know that it was not the entire thing that was ruled unconstitutional, right? It also still needs to go before the supreme court. I really do not understand why people do not want to see that all Americans have affordable health care.

This is clearly and act of fraud waste and abuse – an out and out waste of tax payer dollars. The Republicans are a perfect example of what’s wrong with our Government!! They fraudulently misrepresented the debate against the bill in the first place. They wasted everybody’s time and our tax payer dollars by not doing one bit of homework to offer a viable solution – just think , we paid these fools to tell us lies. We paid them to sit on their hands and do nothing but scheme against the president. We wouldn’t be going through this again if they had done their jobs in the first place. And, they abused the trust of the American people who voted them into office to do their jobs. Their job is not to singularly focus on killing a bill to embarrass the president, their job it to do what’s best for ALL AMERICANS, not just Republicans and the rich!. Health Care as a measure to leverage the capacity of every American citizen is in America’s best interest. We say we live in the greatest nation on this earth, then why isn’t health care a right and not a privilege based on economic status. This is the 21st Century people, wake up. It’s time to move forward instead back to Republican medieval times. It’s time to end this nonsense!!Vote every Republican out of office and start now by initiating legislative action to prosecute them all for fraud waste and abuse! If they did this as corporate executives, they would all be fired – well, then again, we’ve been robbed by corporate executives to, so clearly, this is just another case of highway robbery. Wake up America, wake up before it’s too late.

OK Boys and Girls, lets run these numbers to see what they really look like….
$1,500,000,000,000.00 this is the estimated deficite as listed above.
$32,000,000,000.00 is what they will cut.
$1,468,000,000,000.00 will be the remaining deficite.

Do you get it? Do you really get it?

These are mind numbing numbers that have lost any meaning.

The only real solution is cut back everything except our National Defence for one to two years and then start all over again.

They should cut off funding. Haven’t they heard? The entire law is unconstitutional. No injunction needed. Case closed until an appeal ruling.

They’re cutting 1% of the budget, and reducing this year’s deficit by 2.3%. Woohoo.

Let the games begin…..The heck with jobs, the unemployed can wait !

The issue is NOT Health Care.
The issue is the deficite.
$1,500,000,000,000.00 Estimated Deficite
$32,000,000,000.00 cut by not funding Obamacare.
$1,468,000,000,000.00 new estimated deficite.

Why don’t they breakout the overall cost of this monstrosity into:
1. Pieces everyone agrees on (no pre-existing conditions)
2. Pieces where disagreement exists

Then hold off all funding for #2 until next election … since insulated politicians like Reid and Pelosi (both from heavy union influenced electorates)don’t seem to want to listen to the U.S. majority.

About time the adults acted like adults again. I’m so sick of this administration…I may need some free health care just to get by for the next 18 months…At least a handful of ibuprophen….

So this move is essentially designed to appease the electorate? “We tried” will be the Republican mantra as this insidious law marches onward. There is no stopping this maniac in the White House short of voting him out in 2012. But by then it will probably be too late.

I really do not understand why people do not want to see that all Americans have affordable health care.

>>>>> I really do not see why the Left doesn’t fund it entirely out of their pockets – I mean being all tolerant and loving and caring and all… Your inability to understand someone’s point of view, believe it or not, doesn’t entitle you to commit them to your causes. In your crusade to provide “affordable” health care who gets to define “affordable”? Spend your own money and think less of me – I’ll get over it.

What they’ll likely do is pass another “temporary budget” which sustains the “essential functions of government.” The “fear” by lawmakers of a government shutdown, consists of Americans realizing that by shutting down the non-essential parts of government, the sky does not fall, life goes on, and maybe, just maybe, we can live without what was left unfunded.

If you plan on Rahming through legislation, you’d better make sure you’re going to still be in power when the implementation phase comes. The Democrats really felt empowered to implement this without the Republican Party and they’re now paying the price. If they were really smart, they’d recognize their folly and just repeal this puppy and do it over again. I have seen nothing that tells me they’re smart enough to do that.

What we’re going to have, because of their lack of intelligence, is a 2 year fight over implementation, an election that says, “Yes we really did say we wanted this repealed and you didnt do it so, BAH-BYE.”

Ironically, it didn’t have to be this way. Had the Democrats brought in the Republicans and put some of their ideas in the bill, they Republicans would have gone home and sold this “bi-partisan bill” to their constituents. It’s really pretty elementary political science, yet the Democrats failed to do it. I’m sorry for their failure, but this is the result. Just think, perhaps this is why the Republicans didn’t push their plans for Social Security Reform.

Guess it depends on how one phrases it. Are the Republicans blocking funds to implement Obamacare? Or are they refusing to fund it? Is the 112th Congress obligated to fund the law passed by the 111th? Certainly the people who voted in the November, 2010 elections showed their displeasure with the 111th, but the electorate that elected the 112th Congress was markedly different in size and composition than the one that elected President Obama. We will see how it plays out in 2012.

Don’t forget about the states! The individual states have the right to uphold the unconstitutionality of Obamacare and refuse to fund it. This may be the linchpin. There is still hope that this Obamanation can be put to rest.

The party of ‘NO’ is back in full effect – Palin/Cantor 2012!!!! I can’t wait.

FACT:
the Constitution provides that “All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” As a result, the Senate cannot initiate bills imposing taxes. Furthermore, the House of Representatives holds that the Senate cannot originate appropriation bills, or bills authorizing the expenditure of federal funds.

SO:
the congress de-funds the a “bill” the Senate cant do anything about it.

This is why we have checks and balances, and know that the Senate, House, and Presidency aren’t controlled by one party maybe we can back to that and get on the right track

Although I appreciate the gesture, the Republicans are not taking real steps to reform government. Thirty five billion dollars is a drop in the bucket. There is one area to start first, reform the tax system. Unlike GW who tried to reform social security, the majority of voters would support the abolition of the IRS. Replace this convoluted tax system with a consumption tax and that will take power from Washington bureaucrats. Even though it won’t get by the democrats, it will put huge pressure on business as usual. This would be a real start to a real revolution. Without radical reform of every form of the federal government, we will see continued tax and spend policies, let’s face it the American public are fat and lazy and have no trouble letting someone else pay their bills. That said, the laws of Capitalism will prevail eventually. That will not be too far in the future.

Why would thety not block something that has been ruled unconstitutional?

Cut, cut, cut, cut, and cut some more!! Did I forget to say, “cut”?

Or should I have said, “gut, gut, gut, gut, and gut some more!”

Even with $500 billion in cuts, we’ll still have a $1 trillion deficit. We’ve created a debt black hole that is going to destroy us! Wake up, America, the party is OVER!

This is a farce. A duly-elected Congress passed the legislation, and it was signed into law. The attempt to repeal the legislation failed; its legal standing is currently unchanged. To refuse to fund those programs and initiatives mandated by the legislation smacks of negligence and dereliction of duty. If this were any organization other than Congress, civil charges would be brought against the leadership.

They had better follow through on this. 100%. Any Republican who doesn’t is out at the next election cycle. Obama,Reid,Pelosi started this war on the Constitution and the American people. And it is a war. Now they need to be fought at every turn and they need to be repudiated. In 2013 there can be health care bi-partisan legislation that doesn’t destroy the American system. But the prelude to that is destroying the unconstitutional mess that is obamacare.

jhs0768: I would strongly recommend a refresher course in American Civics.

While fiscal bills must originate in the House of Representatives, ALL bills holding the weight of law (such as a budget bill) must be passed by both houses and signed into law by the president. If the House passes any legislation which fails to fund LEGAL mandates (such as HCR), then the Senate and president both have the ability to force reconsideration. If the House Republicans want to shut down government by failing to fund a valid law, that’s their prerogative. When Gingrich tried it in the ’90s, the result was less than positive for his party.

Time to embargo all Federal funds for payment of health benefits to Members of Congress, their dependents and all Congressional retirees. A year after the people get their health care back, let the Congress get theirs back. If the People do not get retroactive full care, then neither does the Congress. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Of course such an embargo would just be a temporary inconvenience during investigations of allegations of fraud and abuse by Congress of their health and retirement plans. Such an investigation should be extraordinarily thorough and not funded until the People’s health care is funded fully. They call it “due process”.

Welcome to the Re-emancipation Proclamation! Both parties contributed to this mess. Every social program the government has ever created is in default, while the working class electorate is enslaved by them. Nearly all have cost multiple times the proposed cost and you can bet this “Free” health care BS will be the kicker. At least private sector insurance helps drive the economic engines and MUST account for profit and loss or face the end of being a functional entity. Looking for alternatives should leave the known losers out of influencing the industry. Why is the government allowed to run endless ponzy debt schemes, but private sector is jailed? It is called a monopoly to control every factor from our monetary system to the criminal code and be exempt from these rules that apply to everyone else. He who has all the gold makes all the rules? Feel owned yet? You can go along for the ride, but you must sit in back is absolutely cruel innuendo that any American should have to hear from a vindictive ideologue as this President is. He despises those that will not bow to their new masters edicts. We keep following this path and trickle up poverty is on its way.

It was ruled unconstitutional, doesn’t that block its implementation?

There must be a room filled with insurance company/phama operatives that put in all of these mindless, silly posts.

A government shutdown? We can only hope.

Such an efficient bunch when it comes to denying funds for healthcare for all citizens. In the meantime, they have theirs, don’t they Jack!!!

Yay! please shut down the government and save us from going further into debt

If the GOP has 18 defections like there was with the so called “Patriots Act”; there shall be more than Hell to pay. The gop ARE FOLLOWING AGAIN A bILL THAT PRESENTLY HAS NOT VALIDITY. Due to the injunction the Bill should not even be considered. Period. It is time America knows some one or some party is really for it and not just paying Lip Service.
If nothing can be done America has nothing left but the 2nd amendment.

Funny how liberals “selectively obey” court rulings. If the ruling goes against their wishes, they just ignore it. Us citizens should “selectively ignore” their laws and taxes. Thank you House of Reps for killing this socialist monstrosity by defunding it.

It is ovious that Obama and the Democrats are ignoring any Constitutional Limts. They are pointedly doing what they want to with the Constitution. The Marxist State Rukes in this case without a shot being fired. We shall not even be able to say “This is Unconstitutional because the Constitution shall not be significant to exist. This is the big vote and the big stop or it shall go on and ignore what America was built upon. If we cannot take hold of the Obama’s and hold them for justice, find out why there is no Birth Certificate etc. Then we have a weak systenm and deservr death for our inaction.

Way back when, here in Australia, the Liberal Party was considered ‘the natural party of government’. Something like boxing’s ‘Great White Hope’. They were the blue bloods, the ALP was the party of commie ratbags. I think the Republicans have the same problem: they are blinkered by their supposed natural right to govern. The concomitant focus on small government, while laudable and necessary, is completely misplaced here.
This insane insistance on a fully private healthcare system costs you big time. American healthcare costs 14% of GDP while in the pinko rest of the world it costs around 10% GDP. That takes a big slice out of your current deficit. And noone has to declare bankruptcy to avoid dying.
You’re not idiots most of the time but collectively you do some really strange things. Just take off the blinkers, cut the vested interests and get with the program. In 10 years time you’ll wonder what the fuss was about.

Now, we are talking. For the leftist here, move to Europe. That’s right. They do not allow illegals to get care.

Makes sense, when you’re out of money, stop spending!

To Larry Davis427–we need to quit adding freeloaders to the system, and rid the system of existing freeloaders, PERIOD! To Papa Dawg–you are quite right. I’m appreciative for the start of budget cuts, however, and hope that the beginning of such will lead to a momentum resulting in a lot more! We’ve created an entitlement system, and must begin the trend of weaning people off.

We need to stop this. It will be a job killer and an economic one.
We have only a year left of this garbage in dc. Please House shut this monster down.
A concerned very high deductible paying healthcare user.
Obamacare-raised my healthcare.

To Freako . . . I normally don’t resort to such attacks, but if you and others like you don’t get it, I just have to throw up my hands and pronounce you an idiot! Everyone does have affordable healthcare. I know people who can’t affort insurance through the private sector, and have purchased it through one of my state’s programs for their children. As for themselves, they can go to any hospital and be plugged into a network of doctors (even for mental health) that provide their care for free. It’s the middle class like me who saw their premiums go up by a couple hundred dollars each month as the result of Obamacare–and I don’t qualify for any government program. You just don’t get it–we have the best system in the world, and under Obamacare, it’s going to be destroyed, not to mention it is UNSUSTAINABLE. Eventually no one will be able to afford it. But I don’t know why I waste my time. People like you have no ability to critically think!

I’m glad to see a START in cutting spending but $32 billion is less than one tenth of one percent of the budget – we need to cut a LOT more.

Makes sense; the bill is a FRAUD, foisted upon the American people by a FRAUD. . .

Instead of working together they will divide the nation and start partisan battles which will result in government shut down and increase unemployment. At the end we all loose as a nation. I guess that makes Tea party happy. Good for them.

To Freako… Really? Your argument for “free” health care is causing my brain to go numb. This country was not founded on the principals that what is mine becomes yours because you feel it’s a right under your interpretation of the Constitution. Health care is not a right, if it were a right it would be spelled out clearly in the actual Constitution. Funny how you libs find all kinds of rights in your convoluted interpretation of that document but at the same time find a way to dismiss rights that actually are spelled out very clear (i.e. The Second Amendment) The founding fathers were not idiots, if they wanted National Health care they would of put it in the Constitution in a clear and concise manner. Just like National defense and the National post office. Please don’t be so stupid as to think that they found your letters to your sweetheart more important than your health. Its not in there because it is supposed to be left to the States to decide how to care for their own residents. You libs always find a way to get your hand in other peoples pockets. If you are so concerned about free health care then do it at the State level. All of you hippies move to one state and vote it in. Tax yourselves into the utopia you believe you can have. Free health care, free housing, free money, free drugs, free food and free transportation to all the free places you want to go. Lets see how well it all works out for you when all the producers and intelligent hard working capitalists flee. I have had enough of this big, bloated, heavy handed Government. I don’t need you to be my nanny, leave me alone, go away….please…just stop!

It is clear the Democratic Senators will not comply so another election next year will remove more of them from office, along with President obama and that will remove the Health care Law by Executive Order of not funding it, and that has full force of law.

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To Tonylord. What is wrong with partisan battles? Our system is set up this way for a reason. We are supposed to battle it out. They are not supposed to get along. The Nation is supposed to be divided…Its divided among the states. We are not the ‘Federalist States of America’ We are the ‘United States of America’ United by the Constitution. Each State is a laboratory of Democracy, with success and failure of idea’s to be shared by all. Why not try this out at the State level, see what works and then implement it one state at a time. Try different options, different plans and then judge the results? And why are Government jobs any more important than the jobs that will be lost if this bill is implemented? I say shut down the Government, its too big and bloated anyway! Let a few Government workers feel the pinch of this economy!

Not enough cuts. Need deeper cuts. The republicans are wimps and still spend too much. Not as bad as Democrat socialists and Marxists, but still too much government, regulation and taxes. Cut $100 Billion + and then we are talking!

If the Repubs and Dems did not hear the voters last November, they should not be astonished to be out of a job in Jan 2013, if they do not vote to not fund ObamaCare. This is a program that the moron in office said that there were alternatives to when he was campaigning agianst Hilary….now he is in he is ramming this Socialist sytem down our throats.

Can we call this program what it truly is please? ie. HillaryCare. While 0bamma has many things to be dissed for he was nothing more than the courier on this one. This bill has been sour since it’s creation in the 90’s and the fact that not one pitiful politician yet understands the total damage inside this unconstitutional crapbill should send up flares to every real American with a 3rd grade education.
Kill the bill and carry on, layoff the army of ACORN workers that have been hired to implement and control the bill and carry on. Enough with the headlines, kill the bill and do something correct for a change.

To refuse to fund those programs and initiatives mandated by the legislation smacks of negligence and dereliction of duty. If this were any organization other than Congress, civil charges would be brought against the leadership.

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would that be the same type of dereliction of duty as say passing a bill that you haven’t read, come right out and say is impossible to read, having not proved it’s Constitutionality, against cuations that it might not be, refusing to create a budget in order to go home to stump for the next election – you mean that type? You have no point – if it’s not a legal law it would be a dereliction of duty to fund it. This is exactly what the idiots you elected counted on – just like the dope in chief being elected – get it done and then when folks find out it’s not Constitutionally sound it’ll be too late to change – wrong! That’s why we have the system we have – if one portion fails (the irresponsible Dems in Congress for instance) – the judiciary can nullify it – ALL BASED ON THE CONSTITUTION.

@Freako: The bill was written, ergo, it had to be read at some point by someone. Does every member of Congress read every piece of legislation put before their respective chamber? No. They are told by their party leadership which way to vote, and the vast majority do so most of the time. Is it right? No. Is it legal? Yes.

How does Congress “prove” a bill’s constitutionality? Quite simply, it doesn’t. There is no provision in the Constitution for a piece of legislation to be reviewed by a judicial body to determine its constitutionality prior to its passage; Congressional legal counsel, in an advisory role, determine whether or not specific parts of bills will meet judicial scrutiny. If you want a system where a constitutional court becomes involved in the legislative process, I recommend that you move to France. Ultimately however, in the United States, constitutionality can only be determined before a court AFTER the bill has been passed into law. With all due respect to the arm-chair legal experts here, the one ruling by a district-level federal judge in Florida does not invalidate the health care reform laws in the nation as a whole; as other courts have either tossed out anti-HCR suits OR ruled that HCR is constitutional, the Supreme Court will eventually have to make the final determination. Until such time, HCR is law, and Congress has a responsibility to see to its effective administration through funding and oversight. If any when HCR is deemed unconstitutional, Congress can then take active steps to dismantle its structure; the House GOP’s threats are akin to a parent saying, “I’m not going to build a room for my newborn daughter because she MIGHT get sick and die or MIGHT be run over by a truck.” The fact of the matter is 1) the legislation was passed by both chambers in the previous Congress, 2) it was signed into law by the president and 3) it has not been overturned by the court of final review (viz the Supreme Court); as such, it is a currently VALID, binding law.

Oh, and last time I checked, it was the lame duck Republicans that wanted to depart for the Christmas recess rather than stay in Washington to get business done. When Reid attempted to push through a legislative calendar than would disrupt Christmas and New Years, the Republicans (unsurprisingly) revolted. They knew full well they could be a better “Party of No” from the pulpits in their home states with their families and corporate lobbyists lavishing them with gifts.

Foolish comments from most of you.You have no idea what problems exist in the current out of control medical costs.And you don’t care.

First of all, two judges found the law constitutional and two judges found it unconstitutional. Let’s foolishly not fund something that will help the American people. We can fund two wars and rebuild Iraq but we can’t help our own people with something as simple as affordable healthcare. This isn’t about cutting spending or controlling the deficit. The GOP is against repealing the tax breaks the multi-billion dollar profit oil and gas companies are enjoying over other industries. The common man doesn’t deserve to have insurance if they have a pre-existing condition but those poor rich oil tycoons deserve every bit of that tax break. I have yet to hear what they want to replace it with. Didn’t they say “Repeal and Replace”. Where is the plan for the replace. They enjoy their taxpayer funded healthcare. With the money they make and the the short hours they keep, they should be paying for their own like most part time employees do.

If you want to live………vote to end this destructive, closed door, middle of the night, monstrosity!!!!!!!!!! Kill this beast before it is spawned! No government between me and my health.

At last some sanity coming out of Washington. Let’s hope they keep it up. I’m looking to November, 2012.

Everyone says the bill has been deemed unconstitutional. Isn’t it possible for the Obama administration to find another federal judge(s) to deem it constitutional? Isn’t that part of the problem? I’m not up to speed on law, but it seems like these decisions go back and forth all the time.

The law has been declared null and void by a federal court. It is definitely unconstitutional, and most probably illegal to fund it. That simple fact should be at the forefront of every legislators mind when they consider the budget.

If the Senate wants to disregard the will of the people as expressed in the November election then shut down the government. Its certainly not representing the will of the people who think Obamacare is horrible. The Democratic party was fine when it truly represented working Americans. Unfortunately its evolved into the party of welfare recepients who in many cases have NEVER worked and paid taxes of ANY sort.

Deficit is: $1,500,000,000,000 – They cut: $32,000,000,000 = NOT ENOUGH!
Quit being namby-pamby and CUT something you whimps!

Why am I forced to buy CAR insurance?

Is is part of Obama’s kenyan socialist communist agenda?
Is it ever expanding government control of the “sheeple”
Part of the islamisist’s plan for the global caliphate?
Or pre-ordained by the Mayan calendar?

NO – it’s the right thing for the common good.

Good. It is not that we do not need a healthcare overhaul, it was how it was done, without half of the country’s opinion on the deal. It should be done piece by piece with transparency and enough time to look at each bill. Before anyone new people are covered, we need to fix what is wrong now, make the cuts that we cannot afford as it is, then put those other people on welfare medicare if they need it and they qualify.

This is the Super Bowl so to speak. Republicans will offer cuts and the Democratic Senate will not pass it. This will be their PR nightmare as it will extend the belief that they are just spend happy and will not sacrifice. The Republicans are at least for now matching their rhetoric. Any small chance of holding power in the Senate will be gone if harry an co. don’t go along. A tough pill to swallow if there is a defunding HC amendment. I’m sure they will try to fight another PR war on the merits of HC which the more they do, the worse they paint themselves.

Where are the JOBS, Republicans?

Having a more prosperous work force would boost the economy and reduce the deficit –

cutting spending is not the answer to everything, especially when there is no willingness to sacrifice from the people Suggesting budget cuts.

These senators want to protect their own bottom line while slashing everyone else’s.
Hypocrisy.
That’s not fiscal conservatism, it’s greed.

Starve the beast.

in 2010, DOMA was found to be unconstitutional in two separate cases in Massachusetts. Using the same of logic used in some of these posts, this must mean that gays are free to get married while it is being appealed.

Ask Obama where the jobs are…. he decided to make socialism (mandated HC) his top prioirity all those months when he should have concentrated on jobs. Don’t blame republicans – they inherited the mess from Obama!

Its not surprising that the Republicans want Americans to continue to pay for those without health insurance. So much for personal responsibility. If people would only look at MA health and the $5 prescriptions they receive, people would be hurrying to change their plans. I’m for personal responsibility and personal choice for the health care I want, that is why I support health care reform.

Just because one Judge ruled it unconstitutional, it doesn’t mean it is. What about the two judges who said it was constitutional?

You would think that those who desperately want to reduce the debt would be in favor of this legislation. Instead they just complain and come up with less than adequate solutions to reduce health care costs.

Hate to break it to you but a ruling by a Federal Court judge doesn’t render a law unconstitutional. Two FC judges ruled the law constitutional, 2 other FC judges have ruled parts or all of the law unconstitutional. All rulings are being or will be challenged- you can be sure of that. Eventually, this will be decided in and by the Supreme Court- they will determine if the law is constitutional or not. Amazing how many commenters here are so poorly informed on this point.

Poor Dems. And here they thought that they were getting something else for free.

This really is a sad story, we do not seem to see what is right for us (the people) anymore we (in the current political climate it seems, money) only think of money.

I think it’s just a political game: ….do not confuse us with the facts, we rather dig in the rumours.

Starve the beast. Defund Obamacare.

Republicans like nothing better than to deny healthcare to those who most need it. They are representatives of the insurance companies and healthcare profiteers and make no pretenses otherwise. They must be stopped. A strong and united Democratic Party can stop them in their tracks but only if Dems will stop taking bribes from the ins industry and Big Pharma.

Pony up . The plot thickins toward 2012. The people did not send people to Congress to do nothing. The people’s business is ignored another day by symbolism and obstructionism. republicans are saying we spent 8 yrs driving this Country in the ditch, they’ll be damned if they’ll help getting the United States of America out of it. Somebody is gonna pay because the People’s business will be attended to by real and honorable Americans.

Works for me…anything that reduces the debt is a good thing, especially when it’s something that the majority of citizens don’t want…

We have to start somewhere with reigning in this disasterous government spending and why not start with a big pending bill – the Obamacare government takeover of the entire health system which is 1/6th of the entire economy. Anyone expecting to get reelected in 2012 better be on board for the stop funding effort.

what amazes me is how the republicans managed to foll america once again. everyone seems to forget that it was a republican president, and a republican controlled congress that got us into this mess to begin with. they kept funding two wars that W started. congress kow tows to the military-industrial complex. when the democrats finally get the courage to try to fix the healthcare system, some republican calls it socialism. of all the folks on the right, who also call them true christians, maybe you forget that true christianity is actually more in line with modern day socialism. don’t confuse socialism with a communist totalitarianism which i believe everyone is against. FUND THE HEALTHCARE BILL and get down to creating jobs.

You people are sad and I am ashamed to call you Americans.

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1. Constitutionality is far from decided, it is too early to declare it dead: two Fed courts have ruled in favor of the law and two have ruled against with one of those only questioning the mandatory purchase requirement. Unless there is a stay ordered by a court, all continues until the next level court rules.

2. Yes, spending bills must originate in the House, but an appropriation bill is a law that requires both chambers to approve. If the Senate passes a different bill, it must go to a conference committee to work out differences so both houses will pass the same bill. Absent that, there would be no appropriation but such a bill covers a whole bunch of other programs that no one would want fully stopped.

3. The $3,700 billion is the total expenditure of the government. There is also $2,200 billion in taxes and revenues. This leaves the $1,500 billion deficit. (I think it is easier to keep working in billions so that all the decimal places get straight.) While we are talking about numbers, with 300 million people, one billion dollars works out to about $3 per person. The deficit comes to $4,500 to $5,000 per person in the US.

4. I would advise looking at some reliable data sources for the functional breakdown of Federal spending. Many people have mistaken ideas about how much, for example, is in foreign aid (Ans. very little.) It is true that more than a quarter of spending is in Defense. It is time to start thinking very hard about our priorities without resorting to ill-advised and uninformed rants that assume it is all so simple. I doubt many people treat their own household decisions with as little care as I see here.

5. Unless macroeconomics has changed radically since I was in graduate school 40 years ago, a rapid drop in government purchases that isn’t replaced by a matching demand from private purchases is likely to have a deflationary impact on an economy with additional job losses. In my long career, I have yet to see believable evidence contrary to this. (Supply-side economics was a well-sold fraud.)

6. There is a lot of talk about impacts on small businesses. In common discussions, we might think we are talking about lawnmower repair shops or ten worker fabricating shops. In these cases, I can see where small businesses might struggle with providing healthcare. BUT, the definition of small business in the law is generally firms that employ 500 people or fewer. In some cases and industries, it can be 1,000 people. In most towns I know, any plant that hired 500 people would be a major player in the economy.

The Peoples business waits another day on a “Do Nothing” House. Their bet is not on our Presidents failure. It is a bet on the failure of the American nation. Since I am not a pseudo- intellectual republican some numbers I can digest are these: Fiasco- 10yrs, New President- 2yrs, Unemployment 2.5 year low. America will recover with or without the help of OUR House of Reps. Just like hitler n tojo found out betting against the American people is the dumbest thing anybody on the planet could do . Let alone another American. I want to send a shout out to koch, murdoch, limbaugh, the beckster, and OUR Congress for nothing

Just like “LegalCare”, health care is both a right and a privilege. No one has the right to be defended by Gerry Spence, that is a rare privilege afforded to a select few. The rest of us get the Public Defender, or whoever we can afford. Health is no more precious than freedom. The indigent get Medicaid, and the free market supplies care to everyone else. After all is said and done, Darwin still rules.

Where do the right wingers get there information, from a bubble gum comic or the hearsay talking heads at Fox News. According to presidential scholars and historians George W bush is one of the worst Presidents the United States has ever had. He added almost 5 trillion dollars to the national debt during his time in office mostly from the Iraq war and his 2.5 trillion dollar tax cuts, expeditures, for which the federal government had no money to pay for, so it was all done with borrowed money with debt sevice added to boot! LOOK at the mess Bush left for Obama the Iraq War and Great Recession and a mountain deficits and debt. Another 3+ trillion dollars has been added to the national debt since Bush left office and almost the entire 3+ trillion dollars is Bush’s legacy. The Legacy of Bush Era Polices….Two wars, the 9 years of Bush era tax cuts which the government had no money to pay for and which ran thru Jan 2011, and the Great Recession with its financial rescues and its erosion of the federal revenue base, all of the whole mess originated during the Bush era. Virtually the entire amount of the federal deficit since Obama took office and the entire increase in the federal debt since Obama took office can be attributed to dealing the financial cost of the continuing legacy of the Bush Era.

Where do the right wingers get there information, from a bubble gum comic or the hearsay talking heads at Fox News. According to presidential scholars and historians George W bush is one of the worst Presidents the United States has ever had. He added almost 5 trillion dollars to the national debt during his time in office mostly from the Iraq war and his 2.5 trillion dollar tax cuts, expeditures, for which the federal government had no money, so it was all done with borrowed money with debt sevice added to boot! LOOK at the mess Bush left for Obama the Iraq War and Great Recession and a mountain of deficits and debt. Another 3+ trillion dollars has been added to the national debt since Bush left office and almost the entire 3+ trillion dollars is Bush’s legacy. The Legacy of Bush Era Polices….Two wars, the 9 years of Bush era tax cuts which the government had no money to pay for and which ran thru Jan 2011. And, the Great Recession, with its financial rescues and its erosion of the federal revenue base, all of the whole mess begining with the peak of housing values in the summer of 2006. Virtually the entire amount of the federal deficit since Obama took office and the entire increase in the federal debt since Obama took office can be attributed to dealing with the financial cost of the continuing legacy of the Bush Era.

I like the way that the most intelligent & well thought out comments show up after the orchestrated avalanche of the right wing, party of no, immature, Obama-knocking, knee jerk, rabble have runout of puff.

Healthcare ? Cantor has his, he’s covered by a “socialist” plan that covers all members of Congress so, who cares about the “little people “? They can go out and get their own.
Where else can we cut costs ? Maybe the Pentagon budget ? Naw, we need more and more military toys so that we can act brave (even if we’ve never been in the military) and so we can pose as “strong defense” advocates (even if the Pentagon says it doesn’t need many of these systems). Whoa ! If we cancel some of these systems, that might mean that MY District may be affected ! We can’t have that ! I might not be re-elected and, we all know that my main job is to get re-elected so that I can stand here and “protect” my countrymen”.

I seen politicians speak with two faces but now it’s beginning to be three or four ,depending on the subjec matter and who has donated to his last dampaign………

Healthcare ? Cantor has his, he’s covered by a “socialist” plan that covers all members of Congress so, who cares about the “little people “? They can go out and get their own.
Where else can we cut costs ? Maybe the Pentagon budget ? Naw, we need more and more military toys so that we can act brave (even if we’ve never been in the military) and so we can pose as “strong defense” advocates (even if the Pentagon says it doesn’t need many of these systems). Whoa ! If we cancel some of these systems, that might mean that MY District may be affected ! We can’t have that ! I might not be re-elected and, we all know that my main job is to get re-elected so that I can stand here and “protect” my countrymen”.

I seen politicians speak with two faces but now it’s beginning to be three or four ,depending on the subjec matter and who has donated to his last dampaign………

The Peoples business is again second fiddle to something I can best describe as un- American. In its worst light, I find republican behavior demonic. Thanks koch, murdoch, limbaugh, beckster, and OUR Congress. Simply put they don’t give a damn about the United States of America.

Just one thing constructive is all I ask. I want to say they care. Aren’t those people American?

Sorry to burst everyone’s bubble here, but it’s not officially unconstitutional until the Supremes rule on it. I might add there have been federal judges that have ruled it is constitutional, and that is why we have a supreme court. Might want to check out a book on how the U.S. judicial system works.

Of course it is only about money, money has to be earned, therefore one needs to work, we must swim, but what if the swimming pool is (nearly) empty, money is thrown in, but there is a huge hole.

Reaganomics laid the foundations of this problem, we have to correct the economy in such a way that the leak is closed, that is the only answer. Adam Smith cannot be applied in this day and age, we need more jobs then just import entrepreneurs, trickle down never worked…all money earned is invested in emergeing markets…, so again our competitors are helped by ou own “(financial)social top”.

Again you cannot blame Obama for this, some fundamental changes have to be made in the way we are thinking. This certainly does not allow more free trade..the workers will only loose out -again-

For all those screaming “GOOD!” I hope you first hand experience a “pre-existing condition” barring you from healthcare when you get a life threatening disease (cancer maybe?). The power that healthcare insurers have is too high. So remember your stance when one of your loved ones falls seriously ill. Don’t come asking us to bail you out then like a bunch of whiney bankers did a couple of years ago.

And…they will be voting to INCREASE the deficit. Congressional republicans need to forgo their “government helathcare” if they are serious about putting the health care conglomerates totally in charage again.
Where are the jobs Republicans?

I think Reuters has some investigating homework. What is with the onslaught of repetitive right-wing talking point comments quickly released like an avalanche for this article? All too orchestrated to me. No discourse between comments. This isn’t even statistically possible to have a bunch of right-extremist agreement no longer than two sentences, followed by a few dozen calm and reasonable responses at the end of the string. As usual, the media sets the agenda and the tone, in spite of what the majority of the population actually cares about.

I can’t believe all you Americans! We Egyptians are fighting for our right to get good decent healthcare, and you guys are blocking the funding for yours!!

I’m freagin speechles!

I believe twenty six states have challenged the constitutionality of The Affordable Health Care Act. At least a dozen of these states threw it out of court(as frivolous). Two federal judges ruled it constitutional and two did not…Va and Fla. It may take up to two years for it to move through the court system before it goes to the Supreme Court. To me this is an abhorrent waste of taxes. During the Bush Administration, The Medicare Part D Prescription Drug Act was passed and it mandates that as a Medicare recipient you must join or be fined approximately 1.5% increase per month on your premium(note not year but month)that you choose to not join. Since I, as a medicare recipient, only use two prescription drugs costing less than $300 for the year,it is not cost effective for my situation. However, it has helped others. What is the difference in mandating The Prescription Drug Plan (enacted during the Bush administration) and what is mandated in The Affordable Health Care Act? Why is Medicare Part D never questioned as constitutional? If the Republicans would spend as much time and effort on finding solutions to our problems rather than fighting/saying no, our country would be better off. It became clear to me what their interests were when they fought to keep tax cuts “for the rich” that would have helped reduce the deficit they propose to care about so much.

It can’t be done so it’s a nothing but a waste of time in the interest of posturing for the next election and campaign contributions.

I agree that George W was one of the worst presidents of all time. A real airhead. I tend to vote moderate republican, and I voted for the airhead the fist time, but not the second. The fact that George W was elected a second time is a real testament to American stupidity and a bad stain on democratic elections. George W showed a lot of guts (boldness is a good thing), but he had virtually no wisdom (common sense). The Romans two thousand years ago learned the hard way that it was not a good idea to elect the son of a previous leader. How many people in America know this important lesson of history. Almost none.

Agreed, don’t fund this unconstitutional piece of crap.