Republican says won't back down in union battle

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ajax666 wrote:

Why in most of of the articles on Wisconsin and Governor Walker, do they fail to mention that the State Budget defecit that Walker refers to is almost the same amount of money he gave as tax breaks to the wealthy when he first took office…. Why is the media keeping valuable information away from the general public.. This is extremely important and should be in every story regarding this matter…

Feb 27, 2011 12:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jayrepublican wrote:

Walker is a traitor of the democratic process. The democrats who bailed on the state are failing to do their job, but I can’t see any other choice for them to stall this loaded bill to let the public know what its all about. I voted for this guy as a conservative who agrees completely with his requirement of public workers to pay their share, but disagree with his collective bargaining parts. It doesn’t make sense and shows that he is a dictator with un-American perspectives with his fake Koch call. Threatening violence on protestors and promising never to compromise shows how small he is, and I have friends who, while are foolishly democrats, are good people who have some legitimate complaints about Walker’s bill. They are willing to pay more as they should, but the collective bargaining issue is clearly political. I think Walker’s recall may be in order. There are plenty of better republicans that could do his job of balancing Wisconsin’s budget without taking away their voices. THE BUDGET NEEDS BALANCED, AND WE NEED A REASONABLE REPUBLICAN (NOT A DEMOCRAT) TO DO THIS. Walker is not that person.

Feb 27, 2011 12:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
randomreader wrote:

I just want to know if Walker and Daniels, as “overpaid public workers,” are going to adjust their own salaries and benefits packages.

Feb 27, 2011 1:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
aoeui wrote:

The $137 million budget deficit in Wisconsin exists because Walker just gave $140 million in tax breaks to big corporations and conservative special interest groups. He’s taking money from the middle class and giving it to the rich. It’s that simple. It’s no different than increasing taxes on the middle class while letting the rich get richer. Now he wants to sell off the public power plants to his friends without competitive bidding or input from anyone.

Around the world people are protesting the tyranny of the elite few over hard-working middle class workers who are the backbone of the economy. In 2008, when the Wall Street elite ripped off the American people, the economy collapsed. A very few made hundreds of millions while everyone else suffered. Then the government bailed them out. If you’re clueless about this, watch the Oscar nominated film “Inside Job.” If we don’t stop this, we’re headed for disaster.

Feb 27, 2011 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
moweddell wrote:

Lets quote some famous Democrats: “We Won!” The same is true in Wisconsin. The citizen voters elected their representative and expect them to fullfill their promises, and perform the legislatives thay were elected to perform. Indeed, the Republicans won and the citizens expect that the Unions be reigned in. To use gummicks to deny Winconsin voters their rights in anti-Democratic and denies the voters rights to their constitutional representation, etc..Many of the protestors are from out of state, thus creating a fake picture of union support. Like the majority of WI voters, I would likewise be appauled at the 14 discontents who have fled the state. Perhaps they should stay out of state. Get recall petitions and replace them, declare their positions abandoned, and appoint new legislators, etc. Monty Weddelll Dallas, TX

Feb 27, 2011 1:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Marcus1000 wrote:

Just to make sure I have my “facts” straight. Governor Walker, who failed out of college, is paid $137,092 a year by the tax payers of Wisconsin. He has decided that the teachers of Wisconsin, who require a minimum of a Bachelor’s degree for their job, are overpaid at a median salary of $46,390 per year.

Feb 27, 2011 1:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Fishrl wrote:

Walker and Gaddafi. Neither one wants to give in. Both have the same political future. At least Walker will stay alive and probably have a pretty cushy job as a lobbyist after he’s thrown out of office.

Feb 27, 2011 1:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sd_dreamer wrote:

Mitch Daniels makes a very good point. He said, “There may have been a time, a century ago, where public employees were mistreated and vulnerable and underpaid. If that was ever a problem, we have over-fixed it,” he said.

“Public employees in America — most decidedly federal employees, but everywhere — are better paid than the taxpayers that pay their salaries,” he said.

And he’s right! The American Taxpayer has been under-paid for almost 20 years. Corporate American and the Insurance companies have guaranteed that middle-class income has not gone up in real terms for almost two decades. This has created an ever widening class differential and reduced tax base — because as we all know while America may have the highest corporate tax rate in the world it also has the lowest effective corporate taxes in the world — in other words, corporations don’t pay taxes in the U.S.

And based on governor Walker’s track record, he will only lead Wisconsin to financial disaster — just like he did in his most prominent positions prior to becoming governor.

Feb 27, 2011 1:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kaygrace wrote:

“The stakes are high for labor groups. More than a third of U.S. public employees, including teachers, police and civil service workers, belong to unions, while only about 6 percent of private sector workers are unionized.” I have to wonder how many fewer public sector union members there would be if membership was not mandatory. Me, for one.

Feb 27, 2011 1:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
motamanx wrote:

Walker has already proven that his union-busting antics are a fraud, backed by the Kochs, and at cross purposes of “balancing the budget” in his state. He ought to call off the charade, and/or the people of Wisconsin ought to impeach him for mal administration and lying.

Feb 27, 2011 1:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Wisdomwithage wrote:

I have to smile when I read (and hear) the Democrats, union hardliners and liberal media wail about the determination of the Republicans – who coincidentally were voted into power by the majority of the electorate – and how they are not prepared to compromise.

The Republicans were voted in because they stated that they would cut the deficit and reign in public service wages, benefits and pensions. And they are keeping their word.

The weak kneed opposition seem to forget that when Obamacare was being forced through Congress, even though the Democrats were not voted in to ram through such a monstrosity, at least the Republicans showed enough respect for the constitution to show up and have their votes counted. Only spoiled children huff and puff and run away when they don’t get their own way.

I used to be a Democrat, but the seedy antics of the party disgust me.

Feb 27, 2011 1:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stratrider wrote:

Keep on resisting and protesting, it’s time to expand American labor movement again and regain hard-won workers rights, lost during the three reactionary regimes of Reagan and two Bushes.
German labor force is 80% unionized and has an equal place at the table with the federal government and industry. And Germany has universalhealth coverage, and excellent retirement benfits, and it’s putting America to shame with excellent economic performance. It’s high time American workers demanded their rightful piece of the economic pie and equal protection of the right to form associations.
HOw come no one wants to disband the American Petroleum Institute – because of its lobbying activities we’re stuck paying $4/galon for gas and no viable transpotration alternatives for much of the population? Ohh, but the unionized public workers make all the difference whether America survives or not. It’s your own stupidity and lack of will to fight for your place under the sun that’ll make this country go under, into some dark fascist future.
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Feb 27, 2011 1:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NormAmerican wrote:

Walker is absolutely right in this fight. This country is broke and part of the reason is the generous salaries and pensions paid to public workers. For god sake give a little now so our children can keep part of their pay in the future.

Feb 27, 2011 1:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OkWhatNow wrote:

I am NOT trying to suggest that the current system is without flaws as Governor Walker has indicated. However, legislation prohibiting collective bargaining seems to be a violation of the Constitutional First Amendment which guarantees the right of assembly.

Weak managers have folded under union pressure and written checks they could not cash for decades, politicians have done the same through over spending and under taxing… The solution is for those in ‘power’ to start taking a hard line at the negotiating table, not in the senate.

Short sighted policies of appeasement have become managers undoing but every deal was negotiated and agreed to by TWO sides, limiting constitutional freedoms because one side repeatedly bargained poorly is a step too far down a very slippery slope.

Feb 27, 2011 1:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stratrider wrote:

mo:
Yes, they won but under false pretenses. That makes their win lesss than legitimate. What’s wrong with balqncing state budget by raising taxes on the rich? It’s not like they’ll become any poorer or would stop creating jobs. They are the job creators. In China. For example, in a hypothetical decent and fair country, people like Michael Dell would be dragged before a court and forced to give up all of his profits earned by employing thousands of grossly inderpaid people in India and Phillipines call centers, instead of employing his countrymen at decent wages. If a company is only capable of surviving by exploiting cheap foreign labor, maybe this company doesn’t deserve to exist, and maybe Michael Dell no longer deserves to keep on getting even richer than he is. Yes, a two-way economic class war would be excellent for America. One-way assault on the American poor and soon-to-be poor middle class has been raging far too long. You DO believe in competition in all thing, an American patriot that you are, don’t you Mo?

Feb 27, 2011 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kaygrace wrote:

“The stakes are high for labor groups. More than a third of U.S. public employees, including teachers, police and civil service workers, belong to unions, while only about 6 percent of private sector workers are unionized.” Just have to wonder how many public employees would belong to the union if membership was not mandatory. And if the union is so wonderful, why is membership mandatory?

Feb 27, 2011 1:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rush2009 wrote:

He has nothing to lose, he is financed by big corporations and people like Koch brothers. It is the ordinary working people in this country who are the losers of their basic rights and the jobs while these Republican take all the jobs overseas, burn tax payers money in Iraq, bailout big banks, give tax cuts to rich,…. Wake up America and stupid Republican voters who put him in this position to ruin our lives, now regret it for a long time.

Feb 27, 2011 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
LeoMarvin wrote:

The $137 million budget deficit in Wisconsin exists because Walker just gave $140 million in tax breaks to big corporations and conservative special interest groups.

False… Get your facts straight instead of using the DNC talkinig points… The Milwaukee Journal already investigated this claim and foud it total false.

Feb 27, 2011 1:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rush2009 wrote:

He should be fired and the money given to him by Koch brothers and other big corporations should go toward balancing the budget.

Feb 27, 2011 1:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sensibility wrote:

This conflict is class warfare, plain and simple. It’s high time all of the working class citizens and taxpayers stand up to the labor unions. For decades these unions have extorted dues from their workers to give kickbacks to Democratic lawmakers who, in turn, bestow unsustainable salaries and benefits to government workers. Well, enough is enough. Thank you Governor Walker, for showing the rest of the country the way.

Feb 27, 2011 1:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
pBass wrote:

To watch the unbridled socialist/union agenda be revealed in the form of the immature ranting, undemocratic name-calling of the organized hooligans and the shirking of legislative responsibilities by the absent legislators is nauseating to clear thinking Americans.

Go get ‘em, Gov Walker. The country needs your courage as an example of great leadership. If the battle begins in WI, so be it. There is no place for collective bargaining in publicly funded jobs.

Feb 27, 2011 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
vcherry4 wrote:

I come from a long line of union people. But, I agree that most unions have gained TOO MUCH POWER. What ever happened to serving others and “Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” We have become a greedy, wasteful, demanding people!!!

Feb 27, 2011 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
riverwoman wrote:

I love some of these comments – yes, the Governor gave tax breaks – but this is a way to stimulate the economy, so the companies spend more, hire workers etc. The unions are thugs – all of you who comment on the democracy has no clue. Do you know that many union employees especially public employees have no choice but must join the union and that the “dues” are automatically taken out of their paychecks – and that AFSCME spent a total of $87.5 million on the 2010 elections – so get real people this is all about power and money and control! It the union endorses you as a candidate – you win! How is that democracy?! Break the unions and let our governors run our county without the thugs, be able to fire bad employees etc. And love the story about the $114,000 janitor becuz he is union! A job is only worth so much – and then you get no more pay raises unless of course you are union – it is bankrupting us!

Feb 27, 2011 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bjdzyak wrote:

Walker is merely continuing the anti-worker, anti-American policies that the traitor, Ronald Reagan, began way back in 1980. CONservatives don’t care about the economy or deficits. All CONservatives care about is profit, no matter who or what is harmed in the process. CONservativism is the cancer that is undermining this nation.

Feb 27, 2011 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ndemarco wrote:

Where, in the Bill of Rights do people have the Right to bargain their benefits? Nowhere. I want one of those fat for-life government jobs with great benefits, tons of days off and no competition. I could then be a mediocre performer and still enjoy the protection of the union. I would not have to work to improve efficiency, reduce costs or improve profitability. What a load that would be off my mind.

Feb 27, 2011 1:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
StevnB wrote:

It’s ridiculous for Wisconson Democrats to demand discourse from Walker. His main goal here has nothing to do with some pathetic little state. His main goal here is establishing enough Reagan-cred to get elected to the job of Most Powerful Man In The World. Standing tough is all you’ll see from him.

Feb 27, 2011 1:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PrincipeReale wrote:

Back down? We’ve got the biggest union organizer in the nation sitting in charge of our Country, in the White House. We contiue to pay increased dues because of this guy, and many of us don’t even belong to a union.

Feb 27, 2011 1:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
psittacid wrote:

Mass protests of people standing up for themselves seem to be spreading around the world. Maybe the people in America will have the spine of people in Egypt and other countries.

Seven of the ten biggest contributors to campaigns are corporations, the other three are unions. This attack by Walker is nothing less than an attempt to completely eliminate worker/union influence, leaving our corporate overlords in absolute control.

The challenge the people of the US have in taking back some ownership of our country is that the oppressor is not the government. The people I like to refer to as “the Owners”, with few exceptions, are not people with names that we recognize. They break the banks, cancel pensions, own the press, own the politicians (including Obama, apparently), and bust unions. They have their pets in Congress and state houses across the country tearing down what safety nets still exist.

They created the bad economy and the deficit; now their using it as a club to beat the American people. Maybe we’ll have enough of it someday.

Feb 27, 2011 1:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I have to laugh at all the misinformed people posting comments. It has been proven that the tax breaks Walker gave do not take into effect until the next budget year, so they are in no way related to the current shortfall. PolitiFact performed the check in regards to statements made by Maddow. I don’t think anyone would argue with the fact that laborers need the ability to stand up; and fight for themselves; the issue here is the public laborers, who receive compensation that is way out of proportion with the private sector. You can’t just analyze the direct compensation. You have to look at the benefits and retirement package, of which they contribute either nothing or very little. I can only surmise that the people commenting to the contrary point are public workers, and are afraid to fall off the gravy train. And, since I do deal with public workers in my line for work, I use the terms “work” and “labor” quite loosely.

Feb 27, 2011 1:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NotGivingUP wrote:

The bill contains more than just an end to unions:
page − 24 −
Jan. 2011 Spec. Sess.
2011 − 2012 Legislature LRB−1383/2
CMH/RAC/TJD:all:all
SECTION 44
SENATE BILL 11
16.896 Sale or contractual operation of state−owned heating, cooling,
and power plants. (1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the
department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may
contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without
solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best
interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or
certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to
purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is
considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification
of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).

Sadly, this is being overlooked by the media.

Read the entire bill: http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2011/data/JR1SB-11.pdf

Feb 27, 2011 2:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ineeditbad wrote:

This one is gonna be a battle. It’s so obvious…Anyone ridiculous enough to say he isn’t going to back down, then threaten workers jobs is simply asking for it. Duh…

Feb 27, 2011 2:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kevin117 wrote:

Well thank goodness the Republicans have finally come out of the closet on the class warfare they’ve been waging, against the middle class, for the past 30 years.

Let’s see how much influence the top 1% has against the ottom 99% come election day.

Feb 27, 2011 2:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
akcoins wrote:

If layoffs are unacceptable why isn’t he talking with the Dems instead of saying my way or the highway? He obviously doesn’t care if he has to layoff workers. Why aren’t authorities looking into pressing charges for conspiracy to incite rioting? They discussed disrupting the protests by bringing in their own people. If that isn’t conspiring what is?
What a scuz kissing up to Koch. He is nothing but a smarmy politician.

Feb 27, 2011 2:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
vgs2801 wrote:

People nowdays don’t remember that unions were the reasons for the wages that the private secture are getting. Thay are also responsible for the safer working conditions that most people enjoy these days & the strict fines for those that break those laws. They can say what they want about them not being necessary, but break the back of the unions & watch them disappear & so will the wages & the raises, benefits, etc that everyone enjoys. After all if the threat of employees possible turning to unions is gone, so are the reasons for keeping those benefits in place. Most Big businesses do not really care about their workers, they are just a means to a profit, & they can be replaced, I have heard that said time and again by the higher ups in alot of big companies.

Feb 27, 2011 2:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kevin117 wrote:

Everyone who gets overtime, makes over minimum wage, gets paid vacations, sick leave, health benefits, works a 40 hours week, owes a debt of gratitude to unions. if you don’t belong to one shame on you.

And if you dont have any of these things, you’re a good Republican. A FOX viewer. Complacent to your masters.

Feb 27, 2011 2:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bundles1 wrote:

‎…”We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers’ salaries and take away their right to strike.” Adolph Hitler, May 2, 1933

Feb 27, 2011 2:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mccartjt wrote:

The forced unionization of public workers @ 33% versus 6% private sector shows the power of the unions. No wonder the unions want to stop this move. Its ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! Nothing else.

Feb 27, 2011 2:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
akcoins wrote:

ndemarco, Unlike the hard working public employees I know, you sound like a lazy good for nothing goldbricker. Oh yeah, try the pursuit of happiness. Does that ring any bells?

Feb 27, 2011 2:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bundles1 wrote:

‎…”We must close union offices, confiscate their money and put their leaders in prison. We must reduce workers’ salaries and take away their right to strike.” Adolph Hitler, May 2, 1933

Feb 27, 2011 2:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kevin117 wrote:

66% of corporations in Wisonsin pay NO taxes. Exxon, Ciibank, Bank of America PAYS NO TAXES!

But the problem is the teachers in Wisconson can collectivly bargain, even after they’ve conceeded to all the wage and benefit demands. How gullible can you FOX viewers be?

Feb 27, 2011 2:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kevin117 wrote:

ndemarco wrote… “I want one of those fat for-life government jobs with great benefits, tons of days off and no competition.”

You should have gone to college and worked hard for a degree. Didn’t anyone tell you about the importance of getting a good education when you were a kid?

Feb 27, 2011 2:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
danlwbet wrote:

The size of the entire workforce has shrunk since 2008. There are many reasons for this. G.W. Bush incented large corporations to send work overseas. G.W. Bush and Co. put this country into a downward spiral that is not real easy to reverse. G.W. Bush has given larger tax to the top 1/2 of 1% of this country claiming that would bring jobs and the only thing accomplished has been lining the pockets of these very same people and fewer jobs. Now Republicans are putting the brunt of the financial crisis on the backs of working people. Imagine this… all the problems that the Republicans have created they are working hard to create distractions by eliminating educators/teachers and such. I guess it is fair to say these same politicians will send their children to expensive private schools for their educations and the children of the working people will suffer. It is easy to see that the master plan here is for Republicans to completely eliminate the MIDDLE CLASS.

Feb 27, 2011 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
maxisone wrote:

Who runs Wisconsin? The unions or the elected officals? The unions already put the Wisconsin schools in the sewer and now they want to put the whole state in the sewer!! Those so called tax breaks are to bring and keep jobs in Wisconsin. Maybe we should run all the corporations out of the state, fire all the teachers and start again!!

Feb 27, 2011 2:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ogre12 wrote:

ajax666 – stop trying to trying to muddy the waters with bs. Prove what you say with substantiated facts..give me your resources that you quote as “factual”. Until you are will to do this then shut your cakehole.

Feb 27, 2011 2:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The Governor says “While they are subverting the democratic process, there is nothing to talk about,”
Abraham Lincoln said in the Gettysburg Address he hoped “that government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth.”
We are a government of the people. Our elected representatives represent the will of the people when thousand upon thousands of people protest something the government is planning to do, they are telling the government what it should do.
We are witnessing the destruction of a fundamental part of the American System. We are witnessing the usurpation of our rights. This is what the founding fathers warned us about, what president Eisenhower warned us about.
The unions came into existence for a reason. I’m not always a fan of them, but I know they need to resist, as a counterbalance to unchecked corporate greed – the same greed that caused the Great Recession. Anyone who supports what is happening in Wisconsin needs to think deeply on the consequences.
This will be very bad for America, no question. Just one more large, obvious crack in the American Wall.

Feb 27, 2011 2:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
barkinbob wrote:

the police joined the protesters

Feb 27, 2011 2:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ogre12 wrote:

time for unions to go period..they are self-licking ice cream cones. If ya dont get it..they are a “business with employees to pay”..they dont have anybody else in mind..they have their own debts..and use political clout to stay afloat. Get rid of these morons and America has hope of rebuilding business in this country. F* unions.

Feb 27, 2011 2:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Gaius_Baltar wrote:

Cut off all federal highway funds and farm subsidies to Wisconsin.

Feb 27, 2011 2:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
got-it wrote:

I guess the Democratic party wants to raise taxes and send the rest of the Wisconsin business out of the state or better, out of the country so the non-performing teacher’s union can get paid for producing poor results from the students. Of course after the business has left the state and the tax base is reduced, they will blame it on the people who are trying to keep business in the state. Get a life your govenor is trying to save your state, you are destroying it by asking for more than you produce.

Feb 27, 2011 2:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bconcerned wrote:

I am so glad that Mr. Walker made the union’s point for them. He said it so clearly I hope everyone gets it now. Yes the the public employees are better paid. BECAUSE THEY HAVE A UNION. THAT IS A GOOD THING. Don’t be fooled by his analogy that somehow the lower paid private sector employees are being treated unfairly because of the public employee unions. It is only by the hand of the private sector employers that don’t pay their employees what they should. Unions show the contrast of the poorly paid employees around the country. They are a light so to speak and just shed light on the underpaid and exploited private sector workers. If people are underpaid and mistreated then this would be a good reason for them to form a union at there place of work. It is now that unions are needed more than ever. All breaking the unions would do is contribute to the underpaid and mistreated workers of this country. If employers need to increase the bottom line why not do it by investing in american products and stop importing foreign labor and products.

Feb 27, 2011 2:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lulubelle1956 wrote:

If this guy knew how to govern, he would do his job and sit down and negotiate; however, clearly he is in over his head, abilities and education level, like other republicans and tea partiers of his ilk.

Feb 27, 2011 2:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kevin117 wrote:

All this right wing opposition to unions is nothing more than a case of… Poverty Loves Company.

Feb 27, 2011 2:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kevin117 wrote:

Ogre12. The same could be said about any corporation in the world.

66% of corporations in Wisonsin pay no taxes. Using political clout to stay afloat. They don’t have anybody else in mind.

Feb 27, 2011 2:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kimsun2 wrote:

Listen to Gov. Walker.
His is telling you the truth.
Union does not like it.
We people do.

Feb 27, 2011 2:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ginchinchili wrote:

ogre12: Not that you really care, but what ajax666 has said is true. Wisconsin cut their estate tax, which had been in place for 80 years, you know, during better times. They did away with the estate tax and, “pop!” a deficit appears. Imagine that. So once again Republicans cut taxes on the rich while increasing financial burdens on the poor. That, and war, seem to be the only things the Republican Party is capable of doing:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=6323

You guys take great pleasure in watching America’s Middle Class collapse under the burdens you rightwingers increasingly push on us. You make sure we can’t afford healthcare without risking the loss of our life savings or bankruptcy; you made sure we couldn’t import cheaper drugs from Canada; you make sure we can’t afford private schools while you cut funding and teachers for public schools; my make sure we can’t afford quality higher education; you make sure our salaries don’t rise; you make sure we can’t save for retirement; you make sure we don’t have a voice in our government; and now you’re trying to make sure we don’t have any collective bargaining rights as workers. People like you are the greatest threat to this country that we’ve ever faced while wrapping yourselves in the American flag and the Constitution, shouting, “God bless America!” Your username is quite apropos.

Feb 27, 2011 3:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wolfizzle wrote:

Everyone should watch the documentary “Waiting for Superman”. For far too long we have had to deal with union rules like tenure where even the mayor of Milwaukee couldn’t fire teachers that were sleeping on the job. The time for change is now. We cannot keep throwing money away on systems that don’t work. Also, if unions don’t like that the times they are a-changing, well, wait until the next election and change it. Running away, wearing tie-dyes, and banging on drums, doesn’t help the public image.

Feb 27, 2011 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Potatoe1 wrote:

“Public employees in America — most decidedly federal employees, but everywhere — are better paid than the taxpayers that pay their salaries,” he said.
And raising the taxpayers wages is not even under consideration?
There is a certain amount of money that is needed to be comfortable in the US and not live paycheck to paycheck or end up in debt. Fewer people are getting that as the real cost of living outstrips the fictional cost of living used to adjust wages. It ignores “volatile” things like utility’s, housing, food and energy. What else do most people spend their money on? People like the Koch brothers should realize that they cannot get richer in a nation where everyone is poor.

Feb 27, 2011 3:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
limapie wrote:

Stats:
50% Wis state budget = public worker compensation
80% Wis county and municipalities = public worker compensation

17% public workforce + 83% non-public workforce

10 union bosses (out-of-state) who run the show, public unions no say in where their union dues (public tax dollars) go

$100 million per election on average spent by only WIS public unions

ObamaCare mandated big-time expenses coming down the pike forcing
ALL the states to pick up when stimulus money gone Can’t get out of those liabilities….and healthcare is clocking along at double digit inflation still!

Kids need teachers, roads need plowing…

Deficits will be in the billions in the next two years.

So, does the current situation sound fair and equitable for 100% of the population and also get the job done?

It is only fair for 17% of the population. And that will grow less,
cause of up-coming lay-offs…make that only 8-1/2% of the population, while the other % lays on unemployment forever. And the job doesn’t get done!!!! wasting very limited tax dollars!!!

Go for it Walker….get this fiscal house in order once and for all
Make it fair for everyone not just a few.

Feb 27, 2011 4:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chemtchr wrote:

What else can he say? Now that he
is exposed as a total putz and pupppet of billionaire donors, his chances for further elected office are zilch. Maybe his big donor buddies will hire him for their lobbying outreach to other bought officials of both parties.

Feb 27, 2011 4:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse

How can you believe that public unions are good? The employer in that case, i.e. the government, has no incentive to negotiate fairly. It’s not their money, its the taxpayer’s money, it’s our money. That is why unions for the governmental employees got so powerful, because the politicians knew that they were getting votes in exchange for fluffy contracts. The current system is unsustainable. Posters like Kevin117 are so oblivious to this fact. By allowing these unions to collectively bargain an obtain these unrealistic contracts, you’ve eliminated competition, removed virtually any chance of removing them for poor performance, and drove the costs through the roof.

Feb 27, 2011 4:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PJCA wrote:

Just fire all of the public employees and replace them with those who are jobless in the private sector. I am sure they are not going to protest that they have to pay for their health insurance and pensions like the lazy, overpaid and spoiled public employees.

Feb 27, 2011 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USblues wrote:

Scott Walker is not fit to hold office and should be removed. A recall or impeachment is in order, whichever is possible and whichever is quicker. He was elected governor not monarch. These union members are taxpayers and neighbors and do far more for Wisconsin than Walker has ever done or will do. To heap the blame for HIS failed and ill conceived tax policies on to one group and pit neighbor against neighbor is appalling and is clear evidence of his unfitness govern, likewise his unwillingness to take responsibility for HIS actions is pathetic.

Feb 27, 2011 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ginchinchili wrote:

limapie and montecristo: Your arguments are bogus because you are failing to recognize that the unions have capitulated to all of Gov. Walker’s monetary demands. This is not about the budget or if anyone is being overpaid. This is about politics and taking yet another step toward subjugating the Middle Class and to turn this “capitalist” nation into a serfdom. It’s just another step in taking stifling the voices of the working people in this country.

People like you are being used to help turn our country into something unrecognizable, something more akin to a banana republic where a plutocracy owns everything and rules over the peasants (what used to be our Middle Class). It’s a shame that far too many Americans are so easily swayed as you both obviously are.

Feb 27, 2011 5:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
quiet2long wrote:

I have to admit to being a little confused here. Wisconsin Voters chose to elect a Governor who promised to cut budgets. He is doing what those who elected him asked of him.
Fourteen Democrats were also elected to work for their voters. These individuals ran instead of doing their jobs…
Wisconsin Democrats, better luck with your next round of representatives. I suggest you quickly hold recall elections to replace these slackers.

Feb 27, 2011 5:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Walker and the Republicans were voted into office by the good people of that state. What Democrats are doing is what’s truly criminal. Getting a motel room in an another state to stop a Bill is just a tad extreme don’t you think? Then again all those Union PAC dollars that the Dems enjoy are at stake here. But don’t take me the wrong way, as I’m not a big fan of the Republican party either. This battle is absolutely about money. But the real question is about what money….the budget deficit?…..the benefits and salaries of Union workers?…or Union PAC dollars for the politicians? All the above?

Feb 27, 2011 5:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NMDenise wrote:

Ajax had it right to question the policy of giving tax breaks to the very richest, then claiming budget problems, then reducing services to the middle class. Walker did it. It’s straight out of Conservatives’ handbook.

Feb 27, 2011 5:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USblues wrote:

Well, lets see, Walker gives a 140 million dollar tax break to profitable businesses and wealthy supporters, the deficit then balloons to 137 million, the unions accept a pay cut and benefits freeze, and yet this is somehow all the unions fault? How much will Walkers pay cut and benefits freeze amount to? Oh yeah he won’t take one, nor will any legislator, sound fair to you?

Feb 27, 2011 5:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ginchinchili wrote:

xyz2055: Aren’t you people paying attention? This is NOT about money. The Union has agreed to all of Gov. Walker’s monetary demands. This is about Union busting. This is about undermining our democracy. If this was about money then the problem would be solved, right?

Feb 27, 2011 5:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TxCharlie wrote:

The demonstrations remind me why I hate unions – pack mentality, which can turn ugly at the drop of a hat.

Any government worker who doesn’t show up for work FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING should be FIRED IMMEDIATELY unless they’re on pre-arranged vacation or in the hospital.

Feb 27, 2011 6:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rtgunlimited wrote:

Walker gave the rich 60 million in tax breaks.
Wisconsin is now in debt by 60 million.
Now he blames the teachers?
And people actually support his nonsense attack on union rights to free assembly?
Ridiculous.

Feb 27, 2011 6:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
signupbites wrote:

Two things.

First; Walker gave away more in tax breaks and in publicly-funded salaries and raises to his cronies than the state is in debt. Irony #1 how the RW MSM ignores that.

Second; Americans support the right to collective bargaining by 2-to-1 according to the Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, not exactly a Liberal outlet.

Feb 27, 2011 6:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
signupbites wrote:

Walker is famous for two things:

1) Crony handouts and entitlements.
2) Ramming whatever he wants through regardless of what the public wants.

Wisconsin, how does it feel to get pwned by the out-of-state Koch brothers and Scott “Cash for my Cronies” Walker?

Feb 27, 2011 6:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Marvin8 wrote:

Republicans gain power and what’s the first thing they do? DECLARE WAR!
Yes, it is WAR on the Democratic Party, and what’s the first thing you try to do to kill the Democrats? That’s right….kill their primary source of funding; unions.
The police, fire fighters, and state troopers thought they’d stay in Walker’s good graces by supporting in during his election, and they’ve indeed bought some time, since Walker has exempted only those three unions from his union busting tactics, but the police have finally come to their senses by realizing that they’ve only bought some time. Next year, it’ll be the cops and firefighters who get the axe, and they know that NOBODY will come to their aid to defend them. NOBODY. So now they’re starting to side with the unions. Anyway, the budget deficits are only a ruse to take the focus away from Walker’s real mission, which is to make a name for himself as King Union Buster. If he were to have actually run on that true platform, he’d have gotten decimated, which he will anyway in the next election. Too bad Wisconsin is stuck with him for several more years.

Feb 27, 2011 6:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Sleestak wrote:

Walker will never be elected to public office again, that is becoming quite evident.

Feb 27, 2011 6:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
albundy12345 wrote:

Soon the people of Wisconsin will take back their capitol building by force if necessary. Wall Street will be taken back by the people of this great nation. Revelations are coming, and the rate we are all awakening is increasing exponentially. December of 2012 will mark the time that the war between rich and poor is known and is well underway. This will be Armageddon, and the war will transcend national boundaries as the ruling class is removed from power. The day of reckoning is approaching for the rich and elite.

Feb 27, 2011 6:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
djlowballer wrote:

Marcus1000,
He is paid that much because he is a Governor for a state. Teaching requires a bachelors, but a bachelors doesn’t mean anything. A Bachelors in English or the Arts is simple to get compared to a physics or mathematics degree. Hence why people in the sciences make a lot more. Teachers also don’t work the entire year and get very nice benefits compared to the alternative positions for Liberal Arts graduates entering the workforce.

Feb 27, 2011 6:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
midland3 wrote:

Why don’t news agencies make any attempt to verify claims made by people they interview/report on. Scott Wlaker claims that pubic workers make more money then the taxpayers that pay them. Given the issue at hand that is a very important statement. I for one dispute that statement, I have reviewed studies showing that compensation for public employees accounting for benefits, work hours, education, etc. is lower than private sector workers. Allowing someone t make a statement such as Scott Walker’s without any effort to refute the quote or put it into context makes the media no more than a mouthpiece for any politician to spew whatever lies they want to further their agenda.

Feb 27, 2011 6:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
pemohsr wrote:

You are the governor so you are the one that will be held responsible if all state workers hold a wildcat stike. I suggest you start to engage your brain before your mouth. There is a very good chance your actions will cause the death of private citizens. Be prepared to be impeached.

Feb 27, 2011 6:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OkWhatNow wrote:

As I browse through the comments I see a number of recurring themes that all fail to address what I find most worrisome.

Fact: The unions agreed to the budget concessions. It’s a non-issues at this time.
Fact: Pension benefits are a form of differed compensation offered instead of immediate cash, they are paid for in full by employees working… just like any other form of pay.
Fact: MOST states have seriously mismanaged their budgets, especially by underfunding pensions through overestimating expected returns, for decades now. The mismanagement is now being realized through the start of baby boomer retirements.

MOST DISTURBING: The right to assembly, which is interpreted to include collective bargaining, is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution of The United States of America. This fundamental right of ALL Americans is now under attack as the scape goat of a pogrom of under taxing, over spending, conflicted interests, and poor shortsighted decision making by the same politicians that now seek undermine the most basic of American virtues. This should not be a partisan issue and if local governments are allowed to limit constitutional freedoms in Wisconsin then it can be done anywhere to any person union or not.

If I’ve misunderstood the potential implications of limiting collective bargaining then please correct me, because I find whats going on in Wisconsin to be very disturbing… and I think the ramifications have been terribly obfuscated and mostly ignored to date.

Feb 27, 2011 6:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lulubelle1956 wrote:

The attempt to divide public and private workers failed, and the attempt to divide the police and firefighters’ unions (who were exempt from the bill abolishing collective bargaining) from the public employees who are subject to the bill also failed. The police and firefighteres are now with the protesters in the capital, despite the 4 p.m. deadline, and have said they will only try to “persuade” people to leave, but will not move them.

Feb 27, 2011 6:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
policywhiz wrote:

I am happy to see an elected official who is not afraid of the Unions and will stand firm. The more the average American sees the marching unions and hears about physicians writing medical excuses for teachers who will not go to school and teach, the more we side with the Governor. The unions have not done themselves any favors with their history of bullying anyone who gets in their way. The Democrats running to another state instead of doing their job is just another example for Americans to vote them out of office. Any elected official Republican or Democrat is supposed to show up for work and vote…..not run away because they cannot get their way. The longer this situation goes the better the Governor looks!!!!!

Feb 27, 2011 6:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
OkWhatNow wrote:

Djlowballer:
Since NCLB, passed during the Bush admin, teachers are required to be ‘highly qualified’ which includes getting Masters Degrees. Moreover, many of the teachers your referring to have degrees in the sciences, even the ones that don’t are required to do a significant amount of study in the field they intend to teach, which includes passing qualifying exams.

I know this not because I’m a teacher, but because I considered becoming one after attaining my degree in mathematics… I decided against it when I realized what a horrible profession it was, and that I could do much better in the private sector.

Feb 27, 2011 6:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse

3.6 Billion dollar deficit for 2011-2012 budget that the
Democrat governor and the Democrat Legislator left for Wisconsin.
The unions want to be able to do it again in the future.
That is the real reason the unions say no to reform.

Feb 27, 2011 7:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Hananova wrote:

Very biased article, as usual for left-wing Reuters.

“The Democrats left the state because they feared they could be compelled to attend the Senate if they remained.”

Well, DUH! If you don’t go to work, you should be fired, yet these crybabies are still being paid while they sit home and watch TV.

I will call the boss tomorrow, and tell him I am not coming in, because if I did go to work, he might have some tasks for me!

And the teachers with their fraudulent “sick” notes from conspiring doctors, I suppose when they finally return to the classroom, will hypocritically lecture the students about attendance – not to write fake excuses when they feel like playing hooky.

Feb 27, 2011 7:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
akcoins wrote:

Why do they continue to lie to the American people? Public employees are on par or below with workers in the private sector if you compare their education. In this country the more educated you are the higher your salary. I know people here in Alaska who belong to the union and work in the private sector. Yet they vote against their own self interest. I had a friend on disability. I told him that the people he was voting for (Republicans) would put him out on the street if they had their way. His answer was I know but I just can’t vote for a Democrat. People are unbelievable.

Feb 27, 2011 7:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ginchinchili wrote:

djlowballer: First of all, you obviously know nothing about getting an English degree. It’s not an easy degree to obtain.

Secondly, don’t make the mistake of equating difficulty with the amount of money someone makes, whether you’re talking about the type of higher education someone has or the type of work they do. There are a lot of laborers who work a heck of a lot harder than, say, Tiger Woods.

Finally, you say that Gov. Walker gets paid what he does because he’s governor of a state, then go on to say how a person gets paid according to the type of degree one acquires. Well guess what? Your precious Gov. Walker didn’t finish college and failed to get a degree. And the time he DID spend in college he only maintained a C average. Yes, apparently Walker is overpaid. He ran for President of the student council at Marquette University “but lost after alleged campaign guidelines violations.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Walker_%28politician%29 Sounds like a typical crooked politician to me.

The only thing this guy was born to do is to serve in the Republican Party. He’s a typical conservative lamebrain who decided at an early age that he doesn’t want to work for a living so he went into politics, apparently deciding that it’s easy to fool the masses into electing you to office. And now that he’s in office all he has to do to stay there is to kiss the a_ses of the rich corporate elite and do whatever they ask. This is typical modern American conservatism.

Feb 27, 2011 7:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
x95rankin wrote:

What I don’t understand is the logic of the conservatives…they want reduction in salary, benefits and union representation for these professions..now what will happen when additional cuts are necessary? Whether Walker makes cuts now or later, these union members are going to suffer from this admin. What will happen next? Won’t they apply for services that are offered at the federal and state level..unemployment, medicaid, state and non-profit services…it’s not as if these “rich” state employees are going to have to make an appeal to the American people for a bailout to maintain their lifestyle. It will just be a transference of who will be shouldering the burden. It really comes down to a zero-net game. I think a number of conservatives believe that they need no government intervention, entitlements or services, until they do.

Feb 27, 2011 7:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tbayly wrote:

The governors–Walker and Daniels–are entirely right. Public servants refuse to serve or answer to the public. Reagan bust the air traffic controllers and I hope Walker and Daniels bust these unions, too. I’ve been a dues-paying member of a union and unions are corrupt. We’re long past the day when they’re needed. I’m so proud of Walker and Daniels!

Feb 27, 2011 7:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Randy549 wrote:

To all the people who are making the argument: “The unions have agreed to the monetary demands, etc., therefore there is nothing more than needs to be discussed.”

The problem is that unless something is done to break the cycle once and for all, the public unions will be right back at their demands when the next contract comes up…only they will also want extra “make-up” accommodations to acquire what they were unable to get this time around. The history of how this gets played is pretty well-documented.

The proverbial “can” has been kicked down the road for too long, and Walker is showing a fair amount of leadership by finally tackling the problem.

Feb 27, 2011 7:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Wisdomwithage wrote:

I have to smile when I read (and hear) the Democrats, union hardliners and liberal media wail about the determination of the Republicans – who coincidentally were voted into power by the majority of the electorate – and how they are not prepared to compromise.

The Republicans were voted in because they stated that they would cut the deficit and reign in public service wages, benefits and pensions. And they are keeping their word.

The weak kneed opposition seem to forget that when Obamacare was being forced through Congress, even though the Democrats were not voted in to ram through such a monstrosity, at least the Republicans showed enough respect for the constitution to show up and have their votes counted. Only spoiled children huff and puff and run away when they don’t get their own way.

I used to be a Democrat, but the seedy antics of the party disgust me.

Feb 27, 2011 7:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ROWnine wrote:

And they laughed at Perot. No stones to go after investment bankers but oh boy don’t they love to bully up on employees. Spineless mommas boys who traded in the brown shirts for yellow ties to match the stripes down thier backs. Debate, negotiate those aren’t principale of democracy gauranteed in the constitution I’d say Dolly Madison should have let the Brits burn it.

Feb 27, 2011 8:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
richinnc wrote:

One of the things that makes a union operating in the government area different is that word – monopoly. In the unionized car industry if wages got out of hand I did not HAVE to buy a car (this is before Bailouts). In the government area I do not have much of a choice. And that is why I do not think unions should be in government. Its about as bad as the board of a corporation deciding what the CEO should make – millions.

Feb 27, 2011 9:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wirelessjohn wrote:

Walker is also doing what the voters put him in office to do. Tax breaks for corporations is the best way to get jobs to come to the state. Taking entitlements away from the public sector to balance the budget and not raising taxes so high people start fleeing the state. Sounds like a smart business move. Imagine a state actually working the private sector and not taxing corporations out of the country. I am struggling to makes ends meet and can only hope our jobs return quickly. I feel the whole country feels the same way and we are starting to show it.

Feb 27, 2011 10:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
barberrr wrote:

Brought to you by Waxhaw Willie’s Truth in Publishing
—————————————————–

“REPUBLICAN SAYS WON’T BACK DOWN IN UNION BATTLE”
By David Bailey
MADISON, Wisconsin | Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:47pm EST

=> NOTE THE DATE AND TIME OF THIS REUTERS ARTICLE BYLINE

Feb 27, 2011 10:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
btbclement wrote:

I believe if the want cuts it should come from their wages and benefits not the workers. They are over paid and it is time we stand up and put a stop to all of this. I live in Texas and here in Bell County we voters voted No twice on a jail and ourts omplex. What did they do? Changed the name and did it anyway. Now we have a empty jail we are paying for. If there is going to be a rally here I would be proud to join in.Texas has the lowest paid teahers and they are getting laid off because of the so called budgets. They need to give back to the people paying their wages and listen to the people.

Feb 27, 2011 10:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse

As a working union member I think it’s high time to start a nationwide boycott of Wisconsin Cheese until we get Scottzys attention

Feb 27, 2011 10:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse
wrote:

Go ahead Scotty and keep your promises to the Koch Brothers. When election time rolls around again and you and your party are turned out, the democrats can correct what wrath you have made. Sadly some of the public is buying the propaganda created by Walker and the right. This is not about the budget at all. This is about destroying democracy and taking away the rights of the working middle and lower classes. This bully and his cronies will win the battle but not the war.

Feb 27, 2011 11:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Eric.Klein wrote:

We have over fixed the under pay and mistreatment?
Do the math (if you can)

Are you sick of highly paid teachers?

Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit!

We can get that for less than minimum wage.

That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

LET’S SEE….

That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teacher’s salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days = $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

Feb 28, 2011 1:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
jeff81201 wrote:

A sociopath.

Feb 28, 2011 7:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
cocostar wrote:

Walker thinks people in leadership positions aren’t as ignorant as they were a hundred years ago? Imagine Walker needing to come up with a job for one of his special interest friend’s friend. Your job was the one he preferred. No union and a college educated idiot in charge. Whats going to happen?
Since Walker and his porky, bully buddy with the big mouth responding in his favor from 1000 miles east insist on teachers paying into their retirement and a portion of their medical, they should make a gesture of good faith and declare that after their terms as governor’s are up their government medical plan ends. I think with their retirement plan they should be able to pay their own medical insurance. And considering the retirement plan pays around 15 thousand dollars or more a month they should also take a 40% cut in their retirement plan too. Its only fare..?
Only the stinking republican leadership would rip havoc on the country and the world and then blame it on everyone else!! Their still obstructing the recovery of the country. The real threat to our democracy is the republican party and their communist deception.

Feb 28, 2011 10:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
rtgunlimited wrote:

Walker is digging his own political grave with this stunt.
The public may be gullible, but not all are naive enough to believe overpaid teachers caused the budget shortfall.
Most teachers are underpaid.

Walker gave out tax breaks he couldn’t afford, now he wants to attack teachers for his poor fiscal management.

Feb 28, 2011 10:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
barberrr wrote:

Brought to you by Waxhaw Willie’s Truth in Publishing
—————————————————–

“REPUBLICAN SAYS WON’T BACK DOWN IN UNION BATTLE”
By David Bailey
MADISON, Wisconsin | Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:47pm EST

=> NOTE THE DATE AND TIME OF THIS REUTERS ARTICLE BYLINE

Then ask yourself, how does a Blogger comment on an article that doesn’t even exist at the time he posts his comments? Perhaps each has found a way into a Liberal Progressive Left Wing worm hole and time warp? To wit:

Blogger #1 ajax666 Feb 27, 2011 12:56pm EST
Anti-Walker comments

Blogger #2 Jayrepublican Feb 27, 2011 12:57pm EST
Anti-Walker comments

Blogger #3 randomreader Feb 27, 2011 1:04pm EST
Anti-Walker comments

Blogger #4 aoeui Feb 27, 2011 1:06pm EST
Anti-Walker comments

Blogger #5 moweddell Feb 27, 2011 1:08pm EST
Pro-Walker comments — how did this one make it into the select few pre-view?

Blogger #6 marcus1000 Feb 27, 2011 1:10pm EST
Anti-Walker comments

Blogger #7 Fishrl Feb 27, 2011 1:17pm EST
Anti-Walker comments

and on, and on, and on….

All in all, only 27 of 91 comments were posted AFTER the published date and time of this article.

“Dere’s sumtin funny goin’ on round here, Lucy.”

Do we read different versions of the same article throughout the day? If so, what was wrong or misleading in each -previous- version? What is the editorial policy at Reuters — if a retraction or correction is required to an article published on-line, is there any notification to the general public, as with printed news outlets, or does the Internet eliminate such archaic strictures and rules of editorial integrity? Speak, oh wondrous wielders of the electronic pen.

Note also how three of the first four Bloggers have posted only one time, THIS one time, and how the 4th has posted only thrice. Might they be “straw man posters”, figments of the author’s own creative imagination, brought to life for nefarious purposes other than unbiased, factually based journalism? Sort of an undercover commentary squad to pull out of the bottom drawer whenever the dry facts have been dispensed with? Shame, shame, Doctor B.

Tune in next week, same “reporter”, same rapidly inflating “fawning fans”, same bat channel.

Feb 28, 2011 11:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
SageElder wrote:

The Wisconsin pro collective bargaining protest by government employees is about the democrats wanting a One Party Rule Police State to enable them to force the United States into communism.

The International Socialist Organization is the group who were issued the permit for the protests in Wisconsin. The following is a quote from the web site of the International Socialist Organization:

“One of the greatest obstacles to building a working-class movement for fundamental change in the United States has been the two-party political system.”

Collective bargaining by government employees is intended to keep the democrats in power forever and under the control of the International Socialists who are trying to force the United States into communism (check the International Socialist Organization web site to verify the facts yourself)!

Feb 28, 2011 12:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
0ldRNCowboy wrote:

Hang in there Governor Walker. You were elected by a clear majority and your platform was clear. We demand “Public” employees take their fair share of employment benefit cuts. Public and private unions are busy bussing in protesters from other states in an attempt to intimidate legislators. Hold firm! The citizens who placed you into office demand it.

Feb 28, 2011 1:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mws529 wrote:

Is asking the teachers to pay their share (pension/healthcare) really going to ruin their lives? Get over it. If you don’t like your job as a teacher, quit. Stop whining. I’m guessing there are plenty of people willing to take those jobs.

Feb 28, 2011 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
billyray1976 wrote:

what is crazy is the part that no one even mentions in his bill. The bill gives the governor sole discretion to sell Power plants, water treatment facilities and any other utility that the governor sees fit to sell. The price point is also disturbing. It allows the governor to single-handedly determine what the right price is and then he can sell it to the private sector again at whatever $$$ he deems it’s worth. Now considering that the Koch brothers were his largest campaign contributors whom also own several utilities already in the state of WI. Now they will benefit cause their buddy Gov Walker will sell it to them at very cheap discounts and continue to privatize everything under the sun that republicans an get away with.

Feb 28, 2011 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bjcoleman35 wrote:

So according to this quote “hoped to avoid layoffs”.. Unions better take the deal or lose your jobs. This is not a political or union issue. This is a “your state is in serious debt” issue and you need to make a choice. Whether take a pay cut or lose your entire pay…

Feb 28, 2011 3:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jstaf wrote:

Daniels learned his facts from Rush, when compared along equal education measures public workers make 20% less than private workers, the number they talk about ignores education levels which used to be considered a merit based reason for higher pay.

Feb 28, 2011 3:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vivianc wrote:

Most of the comments I have seen strike me as the petulant grumblings of spoiled children.
1. Gov. Walker’s salary has nothing to do with this labor bill. Also irrelevant is whether or not he graduated from college. What IS relevant is that the voters ELECTED him. They did not elect the unions, they didn’t elect the teachers, and other public service workers. Unlike the sore-loser 14 Democrats, Gov. Walker IS actually doing his job–a concept that most of you find difficult to grasp.

2. I assume most of you understand the concept of not being able to spend more money than you bring in–or perhaps my assumption is a stretch? What part of “We have no more money” do you not get? My husband and I are around 60 – we have no savings, no health insurance, no 401K, no pension plan, and have had very poor luck in the employment arena for a long time. We are now self-employed, which means we have to create our own income with no assistance at all, work almost all the time, 24-7, and furthermore, we “get” to pay Social Security tax TWICE, once as employees, and again as the employer. We have been living with no life insurance, disability, etc. for a very long time. There simply is no money. We own 2 cars, both over 12 years old, and do not own any home. And yet, as taxpayers, we are paying YOUR salaries, YOUR benefits, and YOUR pensions! Folks, have you no SHAME? Do you imagine you are the only people with college degrees? Get your heads out of the sand, and stop behaving like spoiled brats.

3. Collective bargaining is NOT a right—it appears nowhere in the Constitution. Just because you want something doesn’t mean it’s your right! Just because you HAD something doesn’t mean it’s a right. I used to have a lot of things 20 years ago, which I now can no longer afford. Instead of blaming Gov. Walker who did not create your budget mess, you need to wise up and figure out who has been spending away your lives and futures. Grow up.

4. Congressmen running away from their responsibilities simply because they disagree and know they are losing are beneath contempt. They are cowards, and deserve to immediately be fired. Frankly, I think Gov. Walker should withhold all of their salaries until they come back to work. Who else on this planet gets to behave this way and still get paid? Who do they think they are? AWOL. We should be expecting much classier behavior from those we elect to represent us.

Feb 28, 2011 11:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RecallWalker wrote:

Republicans take money from corporations, why is that any better than unions? Geez gimmee a break. This is not about balancing the budget. This is about breaking the Democrats primary financial donors. This is a power grab to destroy them, while the Citizens United case, gives unfettered monies to Republicans. With a weakened Union, the disparity between campaign money will be so pathetic, the Republicans will swimming in campaign money. That’s it. That’s all this is.

Mar 01, 2011 3:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RecallWalker wrote:

Walker go ahead an fire them; lay off the workers. You and your crony GOPers have fired up the Democratic base and your days are numbered.

Mar 01, 2011 3:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stan0301 wrote:

Hmm–History shows us that Hard core conservatives have a history of putting children to work in mines–making women work 12 hour days–and encouraging federal troops to fire on strikers–on the other hand unions have history of pressing for higher wages–I sure know who’s side I would come down on. Why the Republican party is seeking the legacy of taking health care away from the poor and forcing public workers to take what ever scraps they might be offered (why not repeal the 13th amendment?) totally escapes me.

Mar 01, 2011 11:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
izzyis1 wrote:

When individuals like Cheney and welsh [of GE infamy] bleat do not call the domestic economic problems “class warfare”. Then would some one say what it is!
This class warfare being perpetrated on labor, seniors, information sources, civil servants and more will only get worse. When it does and it will, the greedy avaricious, hoarding special interest oligarchy will whine and blame foreign influences rather than look in the mirror and put the blame for class warfare in the United States of America right where it belongs. SHAME.

Mar 02, 2011 3:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jrbass wrote:

Walker is like the rest of our politicians, Republican and Democrat, who have forgotten the people. They are so narrow minded (tunnel vision) they only see the opinions of their followers and not how it effects or what the opinions of the rest of his/her community are. As usual our politicians are out to impress their mega bucks backers and not the people they are suppose to represent. I wonder if the Koch brothers are going to buy those Power plants for a pennies on the dollar!!!

Mar 02, 2011 5:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Don8878 wrote:

Some of the more interesting things going on is that since 1981 to present is that two thirds of the businesses don’t pay any taxes and the governor gives more tax breaks to businesses and then cries about the state deficit. What a hypocrite yanking the rug and the rights of the people standing on the backs of the working people to close the gaps. It is easy to see who he is working for and it’s not the people. The governor has no problem threatening people with cutting their jobs unless HIS bill is passed to take away their rights. I am so glad that the first Republican Governor in my state is working to do the right thing instead of acting like some dictator.

Mar 02, 2011 9:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
neeros wrote:

Conservatives always talk about the “unintended consequences” of legislation. Do you think there might be any “unintended consequences” of this legislation?

Mar 06, 2011 4:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
neeros wrote:

@ Vivianc

I’m responding to your comments:

- Most of the comments I have seen strike me as the petulant grumblings of spoiled children.
What a nice thing to say, what are you 80 something?

1. Gov. Walker’s salary has nothing to do with this labor bill. Also irrelevant is whether or not he graduated from college.

1. To point 1, Walkers salary has as much to do with this as teachers salaries do. He wants them to take cuts. He is likely independely wealthy and does not need his governors Salary. Let him lead by example, or he should shut up. Also relevant is the fact that most of the employees he is trying to screw have gone to college. His attitude shows that he is not well edumacated. Your correct is that the voters elected him, but was this what they bargained for, or was this his hidden agenda? Regardless, your correct, the voters did not elect the unions…..the employees did. The employees have decided that they want common representation when it comes to salary and benefits negotiations as well as representation during disiplinary matters. And I would too! When facing such issues, it is better to hire professionals than it is to do it yourself. As for the voters, no they didn’t elect the unions or teachers. Their representatives hired the teachers, and the teachers elected their representation. Voters don’t always have a choice in matters of their taxes. And no the democrates are not sore losers. They are employing the only tactic they can to best represent their constituents. Walker is not doing his job. By refusing to negotiate, he is refusing to do his job.

2. On point two, yes, we understand balancing the budget. But apparently Gov Walker does not since he created this budget crisis by giving tax breaks to the wealthy and demanding concession from the public workers. In essence, he spent money he didn’t have. He would have more money had he not given all those tax breaks to those that did not need them. Now he is trying to steal money from the mouths of working families to feed the fat rich whales on the public dole. Since when does a corporation need a tax break to make money?

Since you are around 60 and you say you have no savings, no health insurance, no 401k, and no pension plan, and poor luck in the employment arena, I can honestly say if you had a union represent you, you would have all of those benefits. Add to that, maybe if you had paid attention to your teacher in school, you would have avoided all those problems too. You are the epitiome of who the democrates represent, yet you still are consumed by the lies and deceipt of those you defend.

Self employment has its benefits and drawbacks. You point out the drawbacks, and a whole lot of them. You made your bed,now sleep in it and stop complaining.

3. On point three…I hate to correct you again, but collective bargaining is actually a right. It is not specifically given by the constitution, but it is a right none the less. And you keep complaining about things you do not, or no longer have, you sound like a bitter person. And as for blaming Gov Walker, yes he did create the budget mess. He gave tax breaks that are the virtual equivlent of the short fall…hmmm…where do you get the idea that he did not create the problem?

4. Point four: You can’t fire elected officials, you can only vote them out of office. And I’m sure that IF their constituents disagree with their actions, they will. But something tells me they are doing exactly what their constituents want them to do. And I doubt that the governor has the power to withhold their salaries…something called checks and balances you know, you might have learned it in school if you had paid attention.

Mar 06, 2011 6:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
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