Pakistan let China see crashed U.S. "stealth" copter

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jondos wrote:

Hey, I wonder if they are going to put this in the new Obama propaganda movie? They could also include the part where many of the Team 6 SEALS that carried out the raid were killed in an Afghani ambush. Now that is what I would call film making.

Aug 14, 2011 3:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeaWa wrote:

Obviously Pakistan is not our ally, nor our friend. Does congress listen? Draw the line now, today, Pakistan is an outsider.

Aug 14, 2011 3:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tanker74 wrote:

This is the second time stealth technology has been compromised by the Chinese having access to a downed aircraft, but the first time an “ally” has facilitated it. During Operation Prevent Impeachment, a Stealth Fighter flying on a brightly moonlit night was shot down by the Serbs. Which makes me wonder if the bomb that fell on the Chinese embassy later was really an “accident.”

Aug 14, 2011 3:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
necod wrote:

Which proves that ISI, with Pakistan government blessing, knew whereabouts of Bin Laden all along. They are so bitter that can’t control their treacherous rage. USA should enhance partnership with India and keep on sending drones.

Aug 14, 2011 3:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
JustAGuy wrote:

Of course Pakistan let China see the stealth helicopter part. Did anyone ever doubt this would happen? Pakistain is our enemy. Conduct affairs accordingly.

Aug 14, 2011 3:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
palmrose2 wrote:

The Osama bin Laden operation could have used a half dozen Tomahawks and gotten similar results. It’s not like the U.S. toke him alive. Instead we have left top secret armaments at the scene.

The U.S. President and his defense chiefs aren’t looking too smart to me.

Aug 14, 2011 3:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
judester wrote:

What’s it going to take to cut the apron strings to these countries that take our money and thumb their noses at us? If they like China so much let China buy their friendship. We need to get out of Europe altogether, 65 years is enough time for them to get on their feet, otherwise it’s a welfare case.

Aug 14, 2011 3:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Xira wrote:

The CIA forgets the Golden Rule.

He who has the gold, makes the rules.

Aug 14, 2011 4:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sushihunter wrote:

Once Pakistan hinted that they would show the helicopter parts to the Chinese, Obama should have sent a cruis missile or two to destroy what was left.

If he was in a good mood, then perhaps he could alert the Pakistanis that it was coming… in 10 minutes.

Aug 14, 2011 4:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Dr. wrote:

Would it not have been possible for them to destroy the wreckage at the time?

Aug 14, 2011 4:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TomHagen wrote:

As an American to show my displeasure to the Chinese Government, my friends and I are going to boycott buying McDONALD’s Happy Meals for the next 30 days…if this catches on…it would of course translate in a serious DOWN TURN in the CHINESE ECONOMY from lower production of the TOYS that go in the BOYCOTTED HAPPY MEALS!!!

TAKE THAT CHINA…NOW WHAT YOU GONNA DO!!!!

Aug 14, 2011 4:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Curmdugeon10 wrote:

Who is surprised about this “revelation?” It was widely reported in defense media in the aftermath of the raid, when Pakistani’s panty hose was tied in the maximum number of knots over the “violation” of their “soverignty.” (“Soverignty” = right to harbor and succor an internationalist terrorist).

Pakistan is a naton of snakes occasionally feasting on rats.

Aug 14, 2011 4:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
notadiplomat wrote:

Are you people stupid? Try going down the street and moving in to one of your neighbours house’s, taking over their possesions, telling them that you will stay as long as you please, killing anyone who does not abide by your rules, telling them that they have to make the mortgage but you will do them a FAVOR and pay their water bill. Expect them to kneel before you, respect you and LOVE you because you are YOU. This is exactly what United States is doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Pakistan. Let me know how is goes.

Aug 14, 2011 4:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I’m commenting after 6 comments by real Americans. Guys, do You read what You write ? Full of “we rule the world” blindness. Special forces action on foreign soil and this forces have claims because there was bad cleaning after great, i have to confess, and succesful operation.
Such claims to sovereign country ? Cold War is over, US military dominance will end hopefully in 10-15 years. You advice to send more drones to more countries, would You like any in Your leaving room ?
Ask Yourself why still over 1 billion people, mainly of muslim origin, think that 11092001 was the act of justice ? will you kill them all ?

Aug 14, 2011 4:38pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
YosemiteFudd wrote:

jondos wrote:

“Hey, I wonder if they are going to put this in the new Obama propaganda movie? They could also include the part where many of the Team 6 SEALS that carried out the raid were killed in an Afghani ambush. Now that is what I would call film making.”

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Not only that, but they can have it blurred out where “Bin Laden’s” face should be throughout the movie. Then we can get a shot of them dumping an unidentifiable “body” into the ocean. “Bin Laden” sleeps with the fishes, nothing to see here, folks — it was him, we got ‘im, you can trust us … but hey, ain’t Dear Leader great? Print the T-shirts!

Yup, that would make a heckuva movie.

Aug 14, 2011 4:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Call or email your representatives. Pakistan should not get one dime of the $2 billion in aid that the US is supposed to give them this year. They are openly adversarial and now give away some of our secret technology. They are just using the tax money that we give them to buy chinese military equipment anyway. Cut them off NOW!

Aug 14, 2011 4:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tiu wrote:

Pakistan is a zealous ally in the terror war. Always has been.

Aug 14, 2011 4:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Randy549 wrote:

@jondos, for what it’s worth, it’s been separately reported that none of the SEAL Team 6 commandos who participated in the Bin Laden operation were killed in the Afghanistan helicopter crash. The only connection between the two events is that the soldiers involved belonged to the same larger unit.

Aug 14, 2011 5:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Halfbreed wrote:

Why not share the information? China is a close ally and friend of Pakistan. It would be like the US sharing information about a crashed Bolivian warplane with the Brits. Nobody would say boo then. And why is the ISI a “spy agency” and the CIA is an “intelligence organization”? I can’t be the only one who catches these subtle terms of degradation.

Aug 14, 2011 5:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

First all you Obama haters are showing your true nature with the negative comments toward the Administration over this, and you call yourselves patriots?!?!?!?! You all are pathetic excuses for Americans that do not deserve the freedoms many young Americans have died to help protect. By criticizing the president over this and his military you are in effect criticizing them.

That being said, while the knee-jerk reaction is to cut off Pakistan completely, and I partyl agree. However we are in between a rock and a hard place here, we have over 100,000 tropps that depend on supply lines through Pakistan, we can not just cut them off.

I am starting to come to the opinion that we got Bin Laden so it is time to get out of Afghanistan. I think it is too little to late and we just need ot cut our loses. If we had done this right in first place 10 years ago, instead of getting distracted in a different unnecessary conflict, it may have been different. But we didn’t and I think it is time to cut our losses.

Aug 14, 2011 5:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@palmrose, while yes just blowing it up would have probably killed him, it would have not accomplished two things. Us having evidence that eh is actually dead and his grave not being a site for a martyr. Also the treasure trove of intelligence has to be huge, especially considering them saying that Bin Laden was still actively involved.

Aug 14, 2011 5:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MauiZip wrote:

Child president in the white house.He probably got that plan from playing wii or game box . What a total loser. I think we would be better off if Obama just takes vacations until we can fire his wimpy ass and replace him with a real American – Lover of Life – Lover of America – Lover of the Constitution .

Aug 14, 2011 5:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TMC4444 wrote:

Just equip a MOAB to all stealth craft. Once its given an all clear then it can be remotely blown up

Aug 14, 2011 5:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fromthecenter wrote:

Are you people really that biased as to make this into something to blame the president for again? I know you all are very hard up to make the bin laden killing into a negative. Especially since your hero gw didnt get close to finding him and openly said he didnt care too. He was too busy getting all that free oil from Iraq.

Aug 14, 2011 5:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RPhillips111 wrote:

I sharee most people’s concern about the Chinese beging given access to the Blackhawk’s remains, since the copter was apparently a top secret aircraft.

However, I can’t help but notice that while the US government is very concerned over that matter, the US government has colluded with the chines government for a couple decades in transfering the economy and much of the job base of the our country to China. It has become america’s largest industrial park. Whose fault is that? Not the Chinese.

And which event should the people of the US be more concerned about? Teh Chinese checking out a helicopter or the evacuation of the american economy to China?

Also, why is no one talking about a very important part of the killilng of Bin Laden? His body was taken away and buried at sea. So was his 19 year old son, who presumably is in a secret CIA prison somewhere among the disappeared. No one seems to be talking about that, at all.

Aug 14, 2011 6:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
safecents wrote:

I guess we will have to give India access to all of Pakistan’s military secroets that we know. Maybe even supply India with Tactical Nukes. That should piss Pakistan off enough. Maybe then they will stop being traitors.

Aug 14, 2011 6:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MikeDelt wrote:

Why is “stealth” in quotes?!

Aug 14, 2011 7:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Pakistan think that their nuclear weapons make them super power. Their weaponry for sale make them look sophistacated, but cant even secure their countrys security. A lot of Pakistan dont really like chinese as you can see there are no china town in Pakistan but there are alot in the US. Pakistan is really weird.

Aug 14, 2011 7:35pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CCCHUCK3 wrote:

I think it is high time we stopped sending millons of dollars to countries that pose as our “friends”.
Let them see that friends don’t screw friends by letting other militaries see our technology.

Aug 14, 2011 7:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Parker1227 wrote:

Islamist run Pakistan sold its soul by promoting an obsessive fear and hatred of India as a way of life.

India wants peace, and to grow its economy to help its people.

Pakistan is stuck in the past, eager to keep the hate alive to distract its people from its failed leadership.

Aug 14, 2011 8:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TyroneJ wrote:

“Pakistan is a strategic ally to the United States but the relationship has been on a downward spiral since the killing of the al Qaeda leader in the raid by U.S. forces.”

Are you kidding? The relationship has been on a downward spiral since Pakistan kept supporting the Taliban, which it has been doing for years.

Aug 14, 2011 8:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
temple62 wrote:

Tell me again Obama and our Congress still regards Pakistan as a “partner” and why do the U.S. Taxpayers have to see theirs tax dollars sent to this country?

Aug 14, 2011 8:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
richinnc wrote:

I like what RPhillips111 wrote – we certainly are enabling the Chinese government with all the industrial base we have sent there and are busy buying. We are again interested in today and blind to tomorrow – just like our spending more than we take in.

Aug 14, 2011 8:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tom1934 wrote:

Secretary Clinton: Not a penny more in foreign aid. Stop pouring OUR money down rat holes like Afghanistan and Pakistan! t’s OK to take them to lunch, Dutch treat.

Aug 14, 2011 8:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Guapi wrote:

Other countries flert with China at their own peril. China has been stealing and copying USA techknowlegy for decades. This doesn’t surprise me in the least.

But I say… Cut off the billions in aid to Pakistan NOW and let China take of them!

Aug 14, 2011 9:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jackbnimble2 wrote:

With allies like Pakistan who needs enemies?

Aug 14, 2011 9:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EN3 wrote:

It doesn’t bother me nor it doesn’t surprise me. Whatever the chinese get out of there investigation of the helicopters remains. Was worth the outcome, osama bin laden is dead. If the military did not think it was an acceptable risk they would not have used this stealth helicopters. Do I believe that we should stop giving pakistan military aid absolutely. Not because of this incident I don’t believe in giving any countries military aid when we are on the verge of bankruptcy. I am personally tired of being the policeman of the world I actively encourage china to take on the responsibility.

Do I blame barack obama like so many here do. Absolutely not. As much as he is a failed president this is not his fault again it was an acceptable loss and an acceptable risk.

Bottom line any military operation does not come without risk. Personally I firmly believe we should sell China military capabilities I mean let’s face it we sell to saudi arabia we could easily make hundreds of billions of dollars of the chinese in lucrative contracts. It would also save america billions of dollars in these little crappy wars we find ourselves in defending some other countries we can let china be the policeman of the world. Would become a threat to the united states no not really, one we are so technologically superior Militarily and two with our nuclear arsenal the entire world is not a threat to us military late no 1 ever the united states over. The penalties for any countries making that attempt would just be annihilation

Aug 14, 2011 9:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BurnerJack wrote:

How much are we paying them to be our friends? I don’t know about your state but I’m sure mine could have used that cash.

Aug 14, 2011 9:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
thoma wrote:

how many billions does China give or are our dollar contributions negative value.
time to hold back all dollars

Aug 14, 2011 9:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xnormanx wrote:

Well what do you expect… when the world number one super power says jump… you say “How high”. We used to demand people to jump all the time. Ah.. yes… the good ‘ol days… before the Republican’s trashed the economy and dismantled the government…

Aug 14, 2011 9:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
roylpayne wrote:

Yeah, and this is what China said: “Oh, you give us a peak at the stealth helicopter and we’ll build you a bunch so you can carry on with your campaign of terror against India and the rest of the world…” China “AIN’T” our friend. (and certainly neither is Pakistan…)

Aug 14, 2011 9:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
it_is_2 wrote:

If there was anything sensitive in the Copter left behind, you can bet the U.S. Air force would have crushed it F.U.B.A.R…Nothing to see here, just anti-Obama rants, move along..

Aug 14, 2011 9:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AMeddaugh wrote:

Tell China and Pakistan to take a hike and partner with India.

Aug 14, 2011 9:57pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Siara wrote:

Why on earth do we pretend that this country is our friend? All it does is make our country look like a bunch of idiots and give their country access to information which they sell to our enemies.

If this country is a “friend” then friendship means nothing.

Aug 14, 2011 10:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

I think it’s time to look the other way while the Indians go bananas on Pakistan. If the Chinese would like to get involved then we can give them a live demonstration of all of our advanced military technology.

Aug 14, 2011 10:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TXman wrote:

That just about tears it. Time to pack it in in Pakistan.

Aug 14, 2011 10:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
orthostice wrote:

For those of you who saw the word “Obama” and started the finger point, please note that the helicopter has been on US soil since May 24. The Pakistanis didn’t show the Chinese the copter yesterday, they showed it within days of the operation. The fault lies with our “allies”—with whom we should break off all diplomatic relations.

Aug 14, 2011 10:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
BhamNikWA wrote:

Lol, Hey idiots in Washington,
In a show of displeasure over Pakistan’s cutback in U.S. trainers, its limits on visas for U.S. personnel and other bilateral irritants, the United States has suspended about a third of its $2.7 billion annual defense aid to Pakistan.
Despite the billions in aid, Pakistan still considers China a more reliable ally than the United States. China is a major investor in predominantly Muslim Pakistan in areas such as telecommunications, ports and infrastructure. The countries are linked by a Chinese-built road pushed through Pakistan’s northern mountains.

WHY ISN’T CHINA PAYING THE $2.7 billion annual defense aid to Pakistan INSTEAD OF THE US THEN?

Aug 14, 2011 10:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
UKWildcats wrote:

Well, let’s not just cut back the aide we supply them. Let’s cut it off completely!

Aug 14, 2011 10:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

The irony here is that the US is the one that invaded the other country. When a country decides to disregard all sovereign rights of another country, blowback is entirely predictable. Beyond that, there should always be a cost associated with violations of international law, efven when those violations are fueled by anger. Perhaps the newly (accidentally) shared technology will point out the insanity of spending billions on war machines when there is such deep need for jobs and services that are NOT designed to kill other human beings. Edwin Starr’s War should be played on every radio station.

Aug 14, 2011 11:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

With China’s growing economy and wealth of coarse lesser nations like Pakistan will flock to them. As our own wealth decreases we will be further marginalized in the global theater until we are irrelevant. Thank you Tea Party, for fomenting the beginning of the end of the greatest nation on Earth. God bless America, God save America. Vote the tea baggers out of office in 2012.

Aug 14, 2011 11:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tatonnement wrote:

‘Trade with Pakistan is worth almost $9 billion a year for Pakistan, . . .’

Aug 14, 2011 11:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Pakistan will continue to jerk America’s chain and like jerks we willll continue to tolerate them, and give them billions and billions of our American dollars, knowing that the Taliban will wind up with some of those dollars.
We have given billions to Karzai and some of those dollars wound up in the hands of the Taliban.

Aug 14, 2011 11:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Prudence789 wrote:

Maybe we did not do enough damage control.
Maybe it wouldn’t have mattered.
We did transgressed their sovereigny, albeit with a very good cause.

China shares a border wtih Pakistan. We don’t.
That makes a very big difference.

Aug 14, 2011 11:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kinnison wrote:

Pakistan is no U.S. “ally”, just a recipient of extortion money from us to keep our supply line open through Pakistan to Afghanistan. Their military and intelligence “help” is worse than useless, it is a detriment to U.S. goals in the region. We would be better off pulling all of our equipment and personnel out of Afghanistan—it is an unwinnable war—and then telling the Pakistanis, whose entire government and culture is one of graft and corrpution, that they will not ever get one more dollar of any form of U.S. aid. And if they get froggy we can simply stand aside and let the Indians take care of the regional problem. Islamibad would glow in the dark.

Aug 14, 2011 11:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Kinnison wrote:

The Pakistani military is useless. My old boss in the Marines went to Saudi Arabia on contract after he retired and trained Saudi troops for 5 years. The Saudis rent a mechanized infantry brigade from Pakistan and have for many years. He often worked with them and saw their levels of training and motivation. “The only thing they were good at”, he told me, “was drinking tea”.

Aug 14, 2011 11:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ramanan wrote:

On the one hand Pakistan allows US forces in Pakistan , the other it allows China to know US’s secrets!

Aug 14, 2011 12:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Discovery451 wrote:

The Chinese probably already stole the entire design over the Internet. They can read the same Russian academic report that details how stealth can be accomplished that the US scientists did to develop stealth. Only the tail wasn’t melted. At the rate the Chinese are making friends among their neighbors in Asia, they might need stealth helicopters. As soon as they fill in the Pacific Ocean, I’ll start to worry.

Aug 14, 2011 12:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Justin2010 wrote:

Didn’t Israel sell China advanced technology before? they are playing both sides in case the USA goes down by financial melt down or debts by them whom they control Wall street??

Aug 15, 2011 2:50am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mxmxa wrote:

But this is not a real helicopter — in the sense that it had anything to do with the actual raid other than a mistake or stupid error. Every time I read about the bin laden raid I get more frustrated that it did not happen as we are told. He died a long time ago and the vortex that is our government devoured and processed the most ridiculous story that I fear they themselves might actually begin to believe. achhh, so delusional. where did we go wrong?

Aug 15, 2011 6:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Moodybloo wrote:

Break it off now !!! Don’t give me that crap about they have Nuc’s. Within a couple of years, so will Iran. Afghanistan will fall, and the Muslim terrorists will be on the Russian border. Let Russia and China deal with that. If their is a nuclear exchange, let China and Russia deal with that also.

Unfortunately, Obama will be President for 2 more years and the damage will be done and irreversible.

Aug 15, 2011 6:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse

It would be considered an absurd notion to most Americans that the USA should not have a close relationship with its neighbours, Mexico and Canada. The economies of both of these countries depend on trade with their economically massive neighbour.

So why is there an absurd assumption that Pakistan should not have a close relationship with its own economically massive neighbour, China?

If the US continues to play wargames in China’s backyard, it has to accept that its going to have its technology looked at by China. If a Chinese stealth fighter (yes they do have those now) was found in Northern Mexico, the US probably wouldn’t just be taking a look. In that particular scenario, I can imagine a pretty major confrontation.

Another example then of double standards.

Aug 15, 2011 7:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SriniVara wrote:

Actually Tanker64, it’s NOT the first time that “ally” Pornistan has handed over US technologies to China. Clinton sent two “dud” Tomahawks (which fell in Balochistan) in 1998, which wound up in hands of Beijing. Also, how do you think China developed FC-1 (or to Pakistan JF-17)? No brainer, they stole parts from PAF’s “attritted” F-16′s.

Aug 15, 2011 7:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
civictyper wrote:

Well its the US’s fault for not destroying the aircraft…

By the way, Pakistan was never an ‘ally’ of the US. Allies implies that there is some degree of mutual agreement and cooperation. USA basically walked into and all over Pakistan like it did to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Aug 15, 2011 8:05am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PAK_US_Man wrote:

What’s wrong with Pakistan sharing this info with the Chinese? Best thing that will come out of this whole episode will be, if true (and I hope it is) that the material will eventually become cheaper and will be mass produced so all of us can use it.

Basic law of the jungle (world) these days (and probably has always been)is total self interest and that is what US dispalys all the time (and rightly so) so what is wrong with any other country (in this case Pakistan) doing the same. Any idiot can figure out that US provides $$ support to Pakistan for its own interest and not Pakistani people (crappy plight, they are in). So Pakistan should play double, triple etc. game to do the same. Make money any way they can and if that means a two-face strategy then that is what it must do to survive. Good luck Pakistan and rip off as much money from the US tax dollars that any way go to Israel, Egypt and many US bases to support/protect war loving/people killing govts around the world (another example the Arab world – all the Kings should be jailed, at the least).

Aug 15, 2011 8:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
aligatorhardt wrote:

Is anyone surprised that when bully tactics, murder and bribery are the tools of diplomacy that another country which uses mutual benefit and trade through agreement gets more cooperation? Our foreign policy is insane and guaranteed to inflame and alienate those that deal with us.

Aug 15, 2011 8:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
PAK_US_Man wrote:

What a joke! friends…US is no ones friend and neither is any other country of any other, if you know what I mean. Its all about interest my friends. Wake up and get out of our little shell of ‘world revolves around the US of A’ and we are helping every one who needs help. I am an American and I have seen the plight of Pakistani people (and so called other friends of US that it supports like Egypt, Palestine, Arabs in GCC space, some African countries, etc.). People/masses are suffering and all the money sent to these countries go to few Kings/Generals/so called democratically elected (corrupt) people, etc. and then goes (comes) back to the West via Citibank(ers), UBS, American Express, BNP Paribas, etc. and key figures (democratically elected US senators/Reps just an example) in the west and their cronies also get fatty kick backs. So let’s not talk about ‘friends’ here. And with the plight of US (debt) and it begging China, Japan, Arabs from GCC, etc. to fund its deficit, things are not looking up and soon US will be actually begging for money from East (sad to say!) unless we tackle the issue from its core and tax the rich like hell (part of the soln), stop supporting these totalitarian/ignorant regimes and spend only what we make (revenues).

Aug 15, 2011 8:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
9nosarshabani wrote:

If all countries have the same level of war technologies, then it’s mutually assured destruction which I hope translates into Detente. Spy versus spy can also be good.

Aug 15, 2011 8:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
texasbahr wrote:

If that’s the way Pakistan wants to play the game perhaps our administration should let India see some of the intelligence we have on Pakistan. The ISI in Pakistan is against the U.S. and Pakistan should be treated like an enemy and not a friend of America. They have always played both sides of the fence.

Aug 15, 2011 9:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

Osama’s last act…provide China with America’s newest stealth technology. I seriously doubt that in Osama’s wildest dreams he envisioned the possibility of such a thing.

So what were the real results of the military action? Osama was allegedly killed. No proof. Americans and world citizens denied Justice in a Court of Law in favour of unilateral, extrajudicial assasination under the cover of night. Lawlessness met with lawlessness. A photo op and ‘hoorah’ moment vs Rule of Law and respecting another countries sovereignty. Obama’s demonstrates the ‘Wild West’ mentality even more than Bush did. This was Obama’s ‘Mission Accomplished’ moment.

What else? Is Al Queda gone? Nope. Do Muslims around the globe now love the USA. Um, nope. In fact more are now hostile to the USA. Are Americans safer around the globe. Nope. Did it improve relations with important allies? Very funny.

And now we have Hollywood spinning the entire freakshow into a propaganda film for Obama. Anyone remember the Hollywood-like propaganda put out by Goebbel to promote another charismatic, democratic leader that also liked to give rousing speeches. Yeah, you can get alot of facism done parading under a banner of ‘democracy’.

Soon enough Obama apologists like USAPragmatist will be goosestepping down the street with their ‘Obama Brigade’ armbands like all the fascists before them. Let’s not forget that the KKK was/is the militant arm of the democratic party. THAT demonstrates exactly how upside down the USA really is today. Reality is always stranger then fiction.

Aug 15, 2011 9:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hellomyman wrote:

aligatorhardt

China is the biggest bully in Asia. What are you? Blind?

This incident should show that both China and Pakistan are in fact our enemies and we should get closer to India and Japan.

Aug 15, 2011 9:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
hellomyman wrote:

civictyper,

The US had the right to walk all over Afganistan and Pakistan at least. Do you think we will let someone punch us in the eye and then let them walk away? You are as ignorant as Europeans.

Aug 15, 2011 9:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bmovie wrote:

“Revenge is best served cold”, but isn’t this old news reheated or slow-burner Internet service?

Aug 15, 2011 9:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse

why we don’t walk away from pakistan and give all of our support to India instead is just mind boggling.

Aug 15, 2011 9:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
moonhill wrote:

The president didn’t waste any time taking credit for the death of bin Laden, so he also needs to take responsibility for the aftermath of the operation. You won’t see him do that, though.

Aug 15, 2011 10:00am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rcd1160 wrote:

If you don’t want anyone to see it then don’t send it into a zone where someone with an inexpensive shoulder launched missile can shoot it down!

Aug 15, 2011 10:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Spacetime wrote:

Kind of funny to see American hearts are so fragile — it’s just a helicopter, a crashed helicopter. You bullied the Pakistanis for years and killed thousands of innocent, while you still bet the Pakis would be loyal to you? That’s funny.

Aug 15, 2011 10:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FranklinGA wrote:

Pakistan has repeatedly demonstrated that they are not our friends, not our ally, and supportive of our enemies. Time to cutoff every dime of support and to get serious with them.

Aug 15, 2011 10:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

stambo..I highly doubt that Obama had much input into the military operation that killed Obama other than to authorize it. The purpose of such pieces of equipment like the Stealth Helicopter is to protect our boys when they engage. After the billions and billions we spend on the military, at least they are ACTUALLY using the equipment rather than letting it sit in a hangar somewhere. I was amused at your KKK reference. While I’m an Independent myself, trying to tie the KKK to the democrat party is laughable. The neocons of the Republican party are 100,000 times more dangerous. I’m thinking Cheney grew up watching too much “Pinky and the Brain” (world domination). The rest of your post is little more than hate monger gibberish. Osama Bin Ladin is directly responsible for 1,000′s of American deaths that occurred on 9/11. He was rightly a major target for our government. George W. attacked Iraq that posed absolutely no threat to anyone (least of all America) or had anything to do with 9/11. Causing the lose of tremendous blood and treasure for no reason. It’s those kinds of actions that are behind people in the middle east hating us. Grow up sparky!

Aug 15, 2011 10:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jkjacksonhole wrote:

One of these days we will recognize that all Muslim countries are our enemies and stop all funding

Aug 15, 2011 10:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
thebojac wrote:

There is very little to cause belief in anything about the so called Bin Laden death, the whole “raid” sounds fishy. This downed chopper being shown to the Chinese is no more than political posturing. Past and present administrations use these tactics to draw attention away from actual events occurring now.

Aug 15, 2011 10:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
aligatorhardt wrote:

Excuse me mr. Hellomyman, but most of the terrorists of 9-11 were Saudis. But since we get their oil, they can do no wrong? Yes, China has also done their neighbors badly, but is that what America stands for? A race to the bottom? Bin Laden is a price of the royal Saudi family, and Saudi oil money finances his operations. Why is Pakistan and Iraq paying the price of what others have done? Do you think our actions endear us to others? I do not. It is not hard to imagine a recluse could hide in our neighborhoods as well without detection, when he has others to run errands for him, he would not go out in public or show his name to officials. We may assume the Pakistanis knew he was there, but that is only a possibility. With all our efforts and personnel it took ten years to find him, and that was likely because someone turned him in for the reward.

Aug 15, 2011 10:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

En3…thank you for a reasonable post from someone that is not an Obama supporter, but still a patriot. You seem to be one of the few in this thread.

Do you people not realize we have over 100,000 troops in Afghanistan that DEPEND ON supply lines through Pakistan? This is exactly why we can not cut off aid to Pakistan immediately. It demands a total strategic change in thinking in the region.

@Stambo…I find it so funny and telling of your ignorance (and others that think simply like you) that you compare Obama to fascists. He cant be a socialist and fascist at the same time, you really need to look up what these definitions are. In actuality it would be more accurate to characterize you as a fascist from your posting, I am not however. I would assume you would agree you tend toward the right (if not extreme right) and fascism is an extreme right political ideology, while, if anything, Obama leans left(he is actually pretty moderate, but that different argument).

Aug 15, 2011 10:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
yrbmegr wrote:

China is a more suitable patron of Pakistan than is the United States. We should throw in with India, and let Pakistan ally with China. Doesn’t mean we have to have a war. Our relationship with Pakistan is just too problematic to have any value to us.

Aug 15, 2011 11:16am EDT  --  Report as abuse
islanderinga wrote:

Pakistan is not a strategic ally to the United States, what interest does Pakistan hold. We need to cut all diplomatic relations with them. The Pakistan embassies need to closed and their nationals in this country need to be kicked out. This pandering to third world countries need to stop!

Aug 15, 2011 11:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Unchained wrote:

Current and complete list of USA allies:
1) England
2) Micronesia

Aug 15, 2011 11:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pnkearns wrote:

Ah… the U.S. “ally’ Pakistan.

Aug 15, 2011 12:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Irwinrsteffy wrote:

Shouldn’t be a big deal. No doubt the Israelis already sold the Chinese the entire platform blueprints from the Pentagon as soon as it went into production.

Aug 15, 2011 1:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Daneel wrote:

Much of the “cutting edge” technology that China and Russia are in possession of is STOLEN from the west…

In China there is a saying…”The bird that sticks its neck up above the flock gets its head cut off.” Their culture for centuries has stifled individuality…when you crush the individual you stop innovation in its tracks along with progress…ditto Russia. I think both may be beginning to understand the VALUE of encouraging individuality and how it benefits their countries as a hole…will they be able to make the transition? Odds are against them…I’m afraid. Those that understand the power of FREEDOM will LEAVE their countries and set up a life in cultures that DO…get it!

Aug 15, 2011 1:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Yowser wrote:

Are we going to send more of our money to our “friends”?

Aug 15, 2011 4:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Am I the only one addressing the point that Pakistan is the supply lines for over 100,000 AMERICANS?

Aug 15, 2011 4:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

on top of housing a mass murder and known terrorist and running their stupid faces now they are trying to use the U.S. military’s missed step as their own personal bargaining chip and yet we insist on sending them piles of cash….

Aug 15, 2011 7:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EN3 wrote:

USAPragatist, thanks. While I will agree with you about pakistan being a vital supply line however it is not the only one. I will be point out a similarity when the soviet union cut off berlin the united states successfully airlifted over 1500 tons of supplies daily and kept over 2 million alive. While it would be difficult it would not be impossible.

I do realize however that military intelligence is sometimes considered an oxymoron. The military commanders of this operation knew there would be risk involved. This unfortunately was part of the risks, and was deemed a necessary risk, and acceptable loss. what really matters is the outcome osama bin laden is dead the mission was accomplished. It could’ve been a lot worse thankfully it wasn’t. By trying to make this into something bigger than what it is all you are doing is besmirching the success of the mission and ridiculing those brave soldiers who completed this mission.

Aug 15, 2011 8:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
justsayin2011 wrote:

Since they like to share our tech with the Chinese, they should have no problem getting China to replace the aid package we obviously waste by giving to them.

Aug 19, 2011 7:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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