Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'

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mward1921 wrote:

The fact the panel exists is no suprise…

Oct 05, 2011 8:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
PaulDonelson wrote:

Did the government have to get permission from anyone to kill Bonnie and Clyde? John Dillinger? Baby Face Nelson?

Oct 05, 2011 8:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Yes PaulDonelson they did

Oct 05, 2011 12:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Whatsgoingon wrote:

No wonder we are laying off teachers and police officers. Our president has done their job – no need to learn or reinforce laws. Shall we fire the judges, as well?

Oct 05, 2011 12:47am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kordo wrote:

Secret panel can put Americans on kill list … And… Steve Jobs is dead. What an irony.
Your country is running full speed away from demogracy.

Oct 06, 2011 1:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AJMirza wrote:

Issues like this one bring down nations, never mind the pile of debts that keeps going up and up in an economy based on interest.

Oct 06, 2011 1:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MarketAn101 wrote:


No, the government didn’t have to get permission.. they were all convicted felons who escaped from jail that made a battlefield of their last stand actively trying to kill their would-be captors.

Oct 06, 2011 3:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Gillyp wrote:

So this puts the US firmly in the Dictator state category,You have turned into the monster Empire state…more like the Old roman Empire than the shinning light the world once believed you to be.

Oct 06, 2011 4:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RayRayRay wrote:

Why should we risk the lives of our troops to try to capture this guy? For those of you who feel he should have gotten due process, let’s see what you think if there is ever another attack on American soil by an American citizen operating as a terrorist.

Oct 06, 2011 8:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
beowu1f wrote:

“Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate.”

That’s not exactly true.
18 USC 1119. Foreign murder of United States nationals

There is no statute of limitations on murder. Every govt official who took part in this is on the hook for accomplice liability and has staked their life on the bet that no future US Attorney General will ever take this to a grand jury. That’s a pretty lousy bet.

Oct 06, 2011 8:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:

I’m not quite sure what I think of this panel. However, I am concerned that such a secret panel was created without the knowledge of America’s citizens.

I wonder what other panels or similar secrets there might be? If someone decides something like that is the best interest of America’s citizens, doesn’t it seem as though it should be authorized by Congress? What is the process creating a panel like that? Does it have to be approved by a court, Congress, or just approved by the president in a finding?

Our government doesn’t always have the best interest of its citizens at heart when it makes decisions as evidenced by the first round of QE, TARP, and a host of other questionable activities. Sometimes what government does seems to have more to do with taking care of the rich and powerful or covering up government errors and misdeeds.

Oct 06, 2011 8:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jaham wrote:

If America is so terrible now, why don’t you all move to Russia or something….the government is much more transparent there.

This guy was as much a criminal as any of those Paul mentioned. We have a panel to assess these situations, good. Awlaki was an enemy of the US, and we killed him…I personally am happy we did and hope we use many more drones to kill people that are our enemies.

As an aside…breezinthru…do you think the world and America would be in a better place right now without TARP? Please elaborate…

Get off the conspiracy theories people, it gets old.

Oct 06, 2011 9:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Tomasgolfer wrote:

Assassinating American Citizens, or anyone else is without question against American and International Law. These killings, no matter how bad these guys are purported to be, sets a VERY dangerous precedent. It’s one thing to kill hostiles in a war zone, it’s quite another to have hit lists targeting people for assassination far from a battlefield. We already know the government has lied about so much in the last ten years, who knows what to believe. One thing is certain, today some guy that’s suppose to be some scary terrorist, next time, and there will be a next time, who knows who they’ll target or from which “list”. Secret Committees putting Americans on hit lists. I never dreamed that could or would happen in America. Congress and the Courts must challenge this before it goes any further.

Oct 06, 2011 9:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
boBNunny wrote:

What’s amazing (or maybe not) is that the left is not screaming against Obama the way they did with Bush. 90% of how the war on terror is being fought is just a continuation of the Bush era. So if he was evil for doing thiings that way, then so is Obama. If Obama is a strong leader for doing things this way, then so was Bush. Sorry left, you can’t have it both ways.

Oct 06, 2011 10:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
zevulon wrote:

it says a lot when the only anti-war republican candidate just raised more money from military service members by FAR than any other pro-war candidate–all the other candidates are pro war.

anti-war , anti-spending ron paul has more military support from military service members ( not the generals or private profiteers but the AMERICAN 99% that fights these wars ) ====
than any other candidate by far.

this is going somewhere , and it is a social trend that will play itself out beyond the duration of the next presidential 2 elections.

Oct 06, 2011 10:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BRWils wrote:

Resisting arrest is a little different from a search and destroy mission. Make no mistake, I do believe that we are in a war and that this is an appropriate end to someone who has declared war on the USA. Nevertheless, the irony of this administration maintaining this type of Star Chamber should not be lost on anyone.

Oct 06, 2011 10:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TimeToReset wrote:

Every major government has a”Kill List”. Ours is altruistic because it is in the name of democracy.

Oct 06, 2011 10:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
More.Liberty wrote:

@ jaham,
Um…those criminals died during gunfights. They also were afforded their 5th Amendment rights as they were all felons. Whynot start ignoring more and more rights that are supposedly guaranteed in he Bill of Rights.

Hey…if we don’t like what someone says…just cancel their 1st Amendment. Why not, we already ignore the 4th Amendment via the TSA and Patriot Act signed by both Bu$h and Obama.

Oct 06, 2011 10:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
lairdwilcox wrote:

This is a frightening development and is unlikely to be restrained as more and more reasons are found to justify it. What is to preclude the targeting of politicians or journalists, or anyone else whose existence may post a possible liability to American interests or those of our allies, broadly defined?

Although the assumption is that this tactic will only be used outside of the United States there is danger that it will morph into a domestic practice as well. This has happened before as military technologies have been adopted by increasingly militarized domestic police agencies. Even small communities now have armored vehicles and military assault weapons at the disposal of law enforcement.

For example, some large American police departments are now using drones for surveillance. Although these drones are presently unarmed there will be pressures to arm them, and then pressures to use them. After their first use there will be pressures to use them in more and more circumstances as they become less controversial and the public becomes more accustomed to it. Although this sounds improbable it is well within the realm of possibility. Stranger things have happened.

We are in a classical slippery-slope situation where an initially objectionable, even outrageous, practice becomes institutionalized by increments, each of which seems easy to rationalize at the time. There are many historic examples of this tendency and where it has led.

What the terrorists of 9/11 could not do to the United States with their one-shot attack ten years ago they are managing to goad us into doing to ourselves. Our society is progressively more regimented and less concerned about civil liberties and due process as the years have passed. We are gradually drifting toward the police state we have long feared and opposed elsewhere.

Oct 06, 2011 10:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
More.Liberty wrote:

Obama is nothing more than a neocon statist just like Bush. More wars, more debt, more government, less jobs and less freedom.

Oct 06, 2011 10:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Annie777 wrote:

Paul, comparing today’s law enforcement with the 1930′s is laughable.

Gangsters like Bonnie and Clyde shot back with “tommy guns.”

The problem here is that it was a drone. The bad guy wasn’t shooting back.

(Before you say it–Dillinger was coming out of a movie theater and wasn’t armed, but the police didn’t know if he was armed or not.)

Oct 06, 2011 10:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse
half-waked wrote:

Of course they are not going after the loudmouth Adam Pearlman, the fake Al Queda because we know who he works for.

Oct 06, 2011 10:12am EDT  --  Report as abuse

There’s a “Star Chamber?” I’m shocked!!! Totally shocked!!!

Traitors deserve no quarter and should be afforded none.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not traitor, he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.”
- Cicero, 42 B.C.

Oct 06, 2011 10:13am EDT  --  Report as abuse
CleanFun wrote:

Sic infit.

Oct 06, 2011 10:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
pawnXX wrote:

“Secrecy is the badge of fraud.”
-Sir John Chadwick

Oct 06, 2011 10:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
NetShark wrote:

Of course Obama was critical of Bush. That’s all the moron has in his arsenal is cut everyone else down, then does the same stuff himself.

Oct 06, 2011 10:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
GMason1776 wrote:

So capturing a foreign born terrorist and using enhanced interrogation techniques to get information on future terrorist attacks is considered torture and the people who ordered the interrogations should be charged with war crimes but those who order the assasination an American citizen without a trial for possibly inspiring others to committ terrorist acts is fine. The hypocrisy of the left knows no bounds. And anyone who thinks that it is acceptable for a “panel” of unknown federal bureaucrats to place the names of American citizens on a “kill list” for assasination without trial is a traitor to the founding principles. Not too long ago, this same government was referring to the tea partiers as “terrorists” for demanding that the government spend less money after building up a $15 TRILLION debt. Maybe at some point in the future the “panel” will decide to add names of those they consider to be domestic terrorists to that kill list. And we will all rue the day that we traded our essential liberty for temporary safety.

Oct 06, 2011 10:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sgbarnes wrote:

I think we need to find out how long this secret death panel has been in existence, whether there are other secret panels and who has been targeted. Perhaps it has been going on all along. I think about Ruby Ridge and Waco and wonder why those people were murdered by the government. Perhaps the panel decided. All I know is we must stop this or we will be next.

Oct 06, 2011 10:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheDad wrote:

It’s sad that as an American citizen I have to read the most complete versions of our own government in action in a foreign news source. Thanks Reuters. As for the lawless killing of US Citizens by this most arrogant regime – does it not amaze anyone the rinos have been silent? Or even supportive. The rest of us will keep our powder dry and hope for a reversal of this outlaw administration next year.

Oct 06, 2011 10:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JPZingher wrote:

Actually, it’s good to know that there’s a process and some rules. But the only solution for something like this will always be political. If people believe the “dirty dog had it comin’ ” then they’ll support the president. If they don’t, they won’t.

Oct 06, 2011 10:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
vreesor wrote:

I do not have a problem with the President ordering the killing of this terrorist regardless of his US citizenship. He made the decision to leave his country, join forces with those who are waging a war against us and actively participated in the planning and carrying out of plots to kill our citizens. He is therefore an enemy combatant and if he is killed as a result of actions he chose to do, then the fault is purely his. However, I do think any such panel as noted in this piece should exist under the oversight of both the President and Congress. There are times and places for secrecy, but this president takes that a bit too far for my liking

Oct 06, 2011 10:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Where are all the hypcrites that were so outraged when Pres. Bush authorized listening in on international phone calls where one end of the call was a known terrorist? I guess that was a lot worse than setting up kill lists for American citizens.

Oct 06, 2011 10:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JL9999 wrote:

Are they taking nominations? Actually this is one of the death panels Sarah Palin spoke of.

Oct 06, 2011 10:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
joev163 wrote:

Obama: tripled the troop count in afghanistan, kept GitMo open, tortures and assassinates American Citizens with no charges, evidence, or trial, renewed the Patriot Act, BAILED OUT WALL ST BANKERS, and on and on.

I this power to assassinate one that you would want Perry or Bachmann to possess? Think about that for a second. Everyone needs to register republican and vote for Ron Paul, he is the only anti-war anti-bailout pro-civil liberties candidate we have left. The primaries are in just a few months people. Swallow your pride, register R, and vote for REAL change. Look at the mans voting record if you don’t believe me.

Oct 06, 2011 10:24am EDT  --  Report as abuse
dencal26 wrote:

Obama thinks he is judge, jury and executioner. This summary execution of an American citizen is far worse than waterboarding or anything Bush did to foriegn terrorists,

Oct 06, 2011 10:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
terrypearson wrote:

@jaham We have a constitution that was not established not for the control of the individual, it was established for the control of the state. The founders of this nation realized that officials tend to abuse power, therefore they put processes and limits on this power.

Yes, a republic can be inefficient and sometimes justice is not done. But, the reason for this is that we should err on the side of liberty and err on the side of presuming innocence.

It is better to be a nation that protects all innocents, but lets some guilty go free, then to be a nation that gives justice to all guilty and to some of the innocents as well.

Awlaki was most likely a very bad person and probably deserved it, but we have a justice system in place that needs to be followed.

Oct 06, 2011 10:25am EDT  --  Report as abuse
neilc23 wrote:

The comment “Obama would be notified of the principals’ decision. If he objected, the decision would be nullified,” piqued my interest. To most people, if Obama could have nullified . . . then he ‘APPROVED’ it.

This report reinforces the widespread notion that Washington is hopelessly ‘Out of Touch’ with everyday Americans.

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badguy444 wrote:

zevulon – I hope you are correct about a libertarian social trend lasting beyond the next two presidential elections. From uncontrolled spending, to enacting thousands of laws usurping the powers of state and local governments, to death panels, the evidence is clear that our federal government has become too powerful. Americans need to immediately begin voting those politicians out of office who do not value personal freedom and the Constitutional limits on government. I fear, however, that there are more Americans voting for whatever gifts those politicians are willing to bestow on them at the cost of their fellow citizens, than those who value freedom.

Oct 06, 2011 10:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kusojiji wrote:

see what happens when a president and his political party have the mainstream media in its hip pocket. If this was going on with a Republican this would be the story of the century but it will be swept under the rug .

Oct 06, 2011 10:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
winstongalt wrote:

@zevulon – please say hi to Alice next time you’re down the rabbit hole.

Oct 06, 2011 10:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kentmt wrote:

So if the committee decides Bill O’Reilly is dangerous to the administration, can he be added to the list?

Oct 06, 2011 10:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
snapperman wrote:

I’m okay with killing Awlaki but I find it very worrisome that some death panel has been institutionalized and can rub out any American deemed a problem. If a high ranking political opponent dies suddenly how can the public be assured the administration didn’t pull the trigger? Maybe the Kennedy assassination should be revisited.

Oct 06, 2011 10:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
kusojiji wrote:

what obama is doing makes water boarding look like kids play, but the media and the barking moonbats on the left are silent. what a bunch of hypocrits.

Oct 06, 2011 10:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JoeAmerica wrote:

I wonder if Obama is going to parade the guy that operated the drone in front of the press so he can be killed for his part in it like seal team 6 was.

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6tr56tr5 wrote:

Seems to work OK for Mexico–why not us too?

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Phil07 wrote:

Mark, I can’t believe that you still think that Anwar al-Awlaki is an American. He’s a terrorist leader who is trying to end our way of life.
He gave up his right to be an American citizen. Quit calling him an American. He’s a terrorist.

Oct 06, 2011 10:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ricardo_Queso wrote:

While I don’t mourn the death of a terrorist, the fact that a U.S. citizen was executed without due process seems to be a violation of the Constitution. If a President or his administration can execute citizens for being an “enemy of the state”, and they have clearly admitted there is no accountability for these secret “star chamber” meetings that decide who gets whacked, then who is to say that anyone expressing ideas contrary to the Administration’s goals won’t be targeted?

Oct 06, 2011 10:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
blackops wrote:

Thank God!!!! It’s about time they started holding these pigs responsible for their part in terrorism instead of hiding behind the United States and it’s rights. They have no rights, they are enemy combatents and should be shipped off to Gitmo to get the board.

Oct 06, 2011 10:34am EDT  --  Report as abuse
52524rgcj wrote:

Oh so Sarah Palin was right abut death panels? Even ‘stupid’ Americans understand a devious , corrupt administration. Barack IS mayhem.

Oct 06, 2011 10:35am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rosieroo wrote:

Secret panel? That sounds suspiciously like the ‘death squads’ of El Salvador and Guatemala. But then those were actually established by the CIA. How long is the list? And how long is the list from which they choose the ‘candidates’ for the ‘kill’ list? Is it the no-fly list? That would be a million of us or more. Like the no-fly list once you’re on it there’s probably no way to get your name off since it’s all secret. The ‘kill’ can be made to look like an accident or an unsolved murder. Mistakes are allowed though never declared since this is ‘National Security!’. Nothing trumps National Security. Certainly not the constitution or human rights.

Oct 06, 2011 10:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Benjamin360 wrote:

And the Supreme Court has ruled this to be constitutional?

What other parts of the U. S. Constitution, especially the parts that protect U. S. citizens from the government, are ignored?

Who in this country get to decide when it is OK to ignore U. S. Law and due process.

At least have a public trial in absentia.

I agree that this guy was a traitor to the U. S. and should have been killed. But this country does not have the right to decide via secret panel who they want to kill.

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AirFrank wrote:

So if its lawful under international law for a country to kill its citizens in self defense why did we intervene in Libya when Quadaafe was killing the rebels trying to overthrow the government? Hypocrits. This is a very dangerous precedent that should not go unchallenged.

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Logic.Hurts wrote:

to the dunder head(s) who compare this to Bonnie and Clyde et al: Those were domestic criminals who were killed on US soil in the act of arresting them. This other moog was a US citizen on foreign soil who was killed, with no attempt to apprehend, by a missile/drone attack. The differences are vast, but if you don’t see them there is no hope in enlightening you. Just move to the field and graze with the rest of the sheep.

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mfm321 wrote:

Feds=Hit squad

Oct 06, 2011 10:44am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Stercus accidit.

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mfm321 wrote:

“rub out”

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NukerDoggie wrote:

It’s amazing to me how totally CLUELESS so many Americans are with respect to what democracy is and why the secret panel is a fundamental, extremely dangerous violation of democratic principles.

I’m no bleeding-heart liberal – I’m a law-and-order proponent, and a proponent of capital punishment.

But I’m also a lover of democracy, freedom, due process under the law and civil liberties. This secret panel is OUTRAGEOUS because it has no democratic scrutiny.

Get a fricking book on basic civics and democracy and READ IT, you idiots! Then come back here and debate the matter.

Oct 06, 2011 10:48am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RuffKarver wrote:

It seems clear enough that anyone who has designs on murdering americans not just as a single event but as an ongoing process and actively recruits followers to that purpose has by his actions actions voided any birthright considerations provided in our constitution.
Surely Benjamin Franklin “father to us all” were he here today witnessing this ridiculous debate would brush aside attempts to mudify what ought to be common sense. This is a correct action.
Certainly every case must be evaluated so as to keep the governments power in check but in this case an evil person who probably never shared american values has been justifiably liquidated.

Oct 06, 2011 10:49am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SpikeORama wrote:

As is often the case, the case at hand, while disturbing, regardless the veracity of the action, is most noteworthy in that it portends what is to come: US government arrogating to itself the right to terminate any American (or non-Ameircan), any time, anywhere for any (or no) reason. The Panel (Soviet) will decide who may live and who will not. And we still think we live in America as the founding documents define it. Most definitely that America only exists in our minds (like Santa Claus) and history books now. But we knew with the advent of the Department of Fatherland Security and Patriot Act that this is the case. This is not surprising. If there is a surprise it is that Reuters is writing a story about this in the manner it did. God help us.

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ScaredToDeath wrote:

of all the freedoms that the government has usurped in modern history, a trend which is rapidly accelerating, this has got to be the most egregious. And I don’t care if it’s Obama, Bush or Ghandhi that does it, it is simply wrong. This absolutely rocks the very foundation of our government and should make us weep, then revolt. It is not justified because Awlawki is a bad dude. A “secret panel” with self-appointed authority to make “kill or capture” decisions for American citizens?!?! With no oversight or accountability?!?! Where is the outrage? Where are the protests? Those of you defending this tyranny are cowards and fools. Outrageous.

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Cranios wrote:

Legal or not, this would have played a lot better if they had formalized the decision by getting a judge to issue a warrant for his arrest. Or maybe they already had that? Someone should bring up the facts.

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Radiofriendly wrote:

You silly people who defend this! It’s not like there aren’t other ways to achieve justice for this thug. But making a policy of secret committees who create kill lists is no justice at all for the American people! Have you ever seen a government power/dept decrease in power and scope over time! lol… Wake up.

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11ozman wrote:

“Two principal legal theories were advanced, an official said: first, that the actions were permitted by Congress when it authorized the use of military forces against militants in the wake of the attacks of September 11, 2001; and they are permitted under international law if a country is defending itself.”
I guess as long as you have some legal theory, it’s all good. I imagine pretty much every dictator throughout history could also cite some legal doctrine to support his agenda, whether nationalizing/stealing private industry etc, or murdering citizenry for the common good. When was the last time this administration ever refused to test the bounds of the Constitution? I think Obama is looking at his decline in popularity and actually enjoying expanding his power base at our expense. Every time he gets away with doing something that he shouldn’t be doing, I think he gets a tingle up his leg; it feeds his Messiah ego.

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TJPride wrote:

The problem is that the American legal system is horribly liberalized and skewed in favor of the criminal, and the evidence for terrorism is often Top Secret and not the sort of thing juries should be looking at. Also, terrorists don’t stay put and wait for you to get a court order. What do you do? Do you allow nut jobs who believe it’s their calling in life to slay infidels to run around unimpeded? The Founding Fathers wouldn’t have supported assassination, but neither would they have given criminals a million levels of appeal, allowed cases to be thrown out on minor technicalities, or refused to execute murderers. They certainly wouldn’t have disarmed citizens or thrown them in jail for defending their homes.

That having been said, while I might nominally agree with the military point of view on this, it’s a little ridiculous for the Democrats to castigate Bush and then totally ignore Obama when he’s doing the same things, only more so. Liberals are experts at hypocrisy.

Oct 06, 2011 10:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
fjmcavoy wrote:

I’m certainly no fan of the Obama admin., not by a long shot.

But I don’t understand how we can keep referring to Awlaki as an American Citizen. Sure he was BORN in the U.S., but when you take up arms and join a foreign military against the U.S., her military, and her citizens you have de facto renounced your citizenship. That fact is even explicitly stated on your U.S. passport.

Alwaki is NOT an American citizen. He gave that up the day he joined Al Quaeda and began plotting to kill Americans aboard airplanes and in parks.

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StanBartsch wrote:

DUE PROCESS – One of the basic rights of AMERICAN CITIZENS. We spent 200 years defining it, refining it, and deciding that it cannot be denied to you when you are accused of a crime, no matter how heinous. It’s why we don’t shoot gang-bangers and drug-dealers in the streets, or lynch murderers and rapists when they’re caught. And we’ve just decided that it’s OK to ignore when it’s inconvenient. God help us all….

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Tomasgolfer wrote:

Assassinating American Citizens, or anyone else is without question against American and International Law. These killings, no matter how bad these guys are purported to be, sets a VERY dangerous precedent. It’s one thing to kill hostiles in a war zone, it’s quite another to have hit lists targeting people for assassination far from a battlefield. We already know the government has lied about so much in the last ten years, who knows what to believe. One thing is certain, today some guy that’s suppose to be some scary terrorist, next time, and there will be a next time, who knows who they’ll target or from which “list”. Secret Committees putting Americans on hit lists. I never dreamed that could or would happen in America. Congress and the Courts must challenge this before it goes any further.

Oct 06, 2011 10:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
midusdew wrote:

Sounds like 1st degree murder. If you or I did this to our neighbor.

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libertylady wrote:

This whole discussion should not be about how bad Awlaki was, and that he got what he deserved. We need to wake up and see the cold hard fact that the President, by executive order, can now MURDER any American Citizen he and his panal so chooses, without evidence, trial, judge, jury, conviction or accountability. We are toast as a nation if we do not stop this NOW!

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Nosocialist wrote:

NO NO NO NO.. we cannot go down the path of secret lists to kill american citizens…
have we not learned anything from WWII and what one individual and a country to do the world… over 12 million murdered – half were educated people of all races.. and the other half were targeted because they were jews… everyone except the german was rounded up and killed..
no no no

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bonzai90210 wrote:

I’d like to know who’s on the panel, the criteria for selection, and who is currently on the list. If we can publish an FBI 10 most wanted, why not this list? Given the utter corruption of the justice system by the Obama administration, I wouldn’t be surprised if some of Obama’s political opponents are on it. Herman Cain better have some body guards.

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Maxwells wrote:

Obama and Holder argued to preserve the rights of a fair trial for Terrorists at Gitmo and denied ”them’ a military death sentence, yet they have no problem killing two American citizens without due-process?

When the Yemeni’s handed over information on al-Awlaki the US could’ve capture him and made him stand trial, instead they chose to follow him around for weeks until he was rural enough to be taken out in a dramatic drone attack.

These men were arguably evil and deserved death, put the execution policy has to be enforced for all terrorists, not just the American ones.

Oct 06, 2011 11:04am EDT  --  Report as abuse
seanh239 wrote:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Oct 06, 2011 11:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
HuskerDave wrote:

Gee.. where did I read that whole “shall deprive no person of life… without due process” thing? I guess it’s that pesky U.S. Constitution again!

O.M.G. … Obama Must Go.

Oct 06, 2011 11:06am EDT  --  Report as abuse
HuskerDave wrote:

Don’t forget – this is the party that opposses the death penalty. (eyeroll)

Oct 06, 2011 11:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RJD1 wrote:

It was terrorism for the Bush administration to monitor suspected terrorist’s communications.
But, this is the Obama regime so shut up before you are place on the kill list as a terrorist.

Oct 06, 2011 11:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
highpressure wrote:

When was this mandate implemented? While on one hand I can understand if you have American terrorists who are actively plotting against America in another country, I don’t understand if this committee or action is constitutionally protected. It makes me uneasy to think that an administration such as Obama’s could use this against TEA Party members who he has stated are “terrorists”. Obama’s administration has created a real class warfare situation in this country which is one step in a true socialist’s agenda.

Oct 06, 2011 11:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
foontala wrote:

This entire article has not one word about the 5th and 6th amendments to the Constitution. You even put in “legal stuff.”

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and these actions are a CLEAR violation!!@!!@

Oct 06, 2011 11:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
foontala wrote:

Yeah, no need to torture the untried, unconvicted, undefended.

Obama just kills them outright. Problem solved!

Just burn the Constitution why don’t you already?

Oct 06, 2011 11:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
mytram59 wrote:

Awlaki chose to be against the US instead of with the US. Once you “take up arms” against this country, be prepared for the consequences, no matter where you were born.

Oct 06, 2011 11:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
dcsenior wrote:

international law does not supercede our constitution, nor does it allow “our” government or its officials, of whatever high office, to ignore its plain meaning. as true in the killing of al wacky as in the war on libya.

Oct 06, 2011 11:19am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Sniper wrote:

Whenever I need a chuckle, I take stories like this and insert the name:
Richard Nixon;
Ronald Reagan;
George Bush;
in the place of Barack Obama, and imagine the response from the loyal “mainstream” media.
It always tickles me!

Oct 06, 2011 11:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
RonPaulRevere wrote:

Bravo. When are folks going to get it. Not until they drop a bomb on a citizen on US soil perhaps.

Oct 06, 2011 11:20am EDT  --  Report as abuse
sanfordsports wrote:

The president was well within his rights under the Geneva Convention. That’s all there is to it. Any non uniformed combatant may be killed on sight for any reason or lack of reason whatsoever. There has never been a need for Gitmo. There has never been a need to capture terrorists. There has never been a need to read them their rights. Terrorists a non uniformed combatants and therefore the rules apply.

Oct 06, 2011 11:22am EDT  --  Report as abuse
MightyRighty wrote:

Kay Adams: “Do you know how naive you sound? Senators and presidents don’t have people killed Michael!”

Michael Corleone: “Who’s being naive Kay?”

Oct 06, 2011 11:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xtrabiggg wrote:

By the moral and (quasi-)legal justification used by the U.S. Government in creating a secret panel unaccountable to anyone in order to target even U.S. Citizens for assassination, the United States now has reached moral equivalency with the Terrorists. We USED to be a nation of laws- now we have taken that away, and are ruled essentially by word of a man or a secretive group of men. Any other nation or group can now, using the same moral and ‘legal’ justifications used by our government, declare ANY American citizen, up to and including our President, and target him or her for assassination. Is this the America we grew up with? Is this the America we WANT? It may be emotionally gratifying to pump our fists and shout ‘we got him!’, but it is a slap in the face to all Americans who went before us, some of whom died defending our Constitution and rule of law.

Oct 06, 2011 11:23am EDT  --  Report as abuse
AlwaysKO wrote:

What cracks me up about these comments is the Democrats now support the killing of an American, but they were against wire taps under the previous administration. And now the republicans are now against the taking out of al-Awlaki… an enemy of The United States of America… because he was an American born citizen.

This highlights the fact that the “partisan posters” will follow “their” leader no matter what he/she does… and the other side is always wrong.

No wonder this country… the greatest country in the world… is currently in such a mess!!!

Oct 06, 2011 11:26am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rourk77 wrote:

You want this fixed? Vote Ron Paul. He’s the only one running who wouldn’t do the same thing these evil people in the White House have done. He’s also the only one under whose administration there might be justice done for this.

Whether Ron Paul is elected or not, or you think he should be or not. This kind of thing can not go on or unpunished. It’s a precedent that will ultimately undo the US as a nation. Debts and all that jazz aside. Obama is a globalist, as were both Bushes and Clinton before him. All of whom undermined the sovereignty of the US to some extent or another. It’s getting much worse with each successive President though. The US sorely needs a President that actually is truly pro US as well as with uphold their oath to the people and Constitution.

Oct 06, 2011 11:27am EDT  --  Report as abuse
arcoknuti wrote:

What a Nazi empire idea. Government officials put an American on a kill list and the Constitution can take a flying leap. How long before they put any dissident on the list? What is there to stop them? The Constitution is the only bulwark against this utter usurpation of our rights and if the American people do not resist this crime we will be undone. Down with the CIA, the FBI, Obama and the whole industrial military complex. Vote with your feet sell, sell your stocks.

Oct 06, 2011 11:28am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Cathedral316 wrote:

Let’s put this in some context… What if Timothy McVeigh fled to Yemen and hid from the US Government… would we have used a kill squad or drone to kill him before charging him? We didn’t have the technology for drones back then but we still had S.E.A.L.’s. Would Team 6 have captured or killed McVeigh; and would it have been legal in April, 1995?

Oct 06, 2011 11:29am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nmoes wrote:

US Constitution (5th Ammendment) “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

Wasn’t this the same administration that condemned the various “enhanced interrogation” techniques used on non-American militants claiming they were entitled to the rights under the US Constitution? Now that seems a little hypocritical that in one case the Constitution protects non-American citizens that aren’t living in this country, but in another case it fails to protect a US citizen outside of the US from its own government. Anyone else find this at all interesting that our government in general doesn’t care about the US Constitution let alone the Bill of Rights which were created to protect us from the overreaching powers of the federal government?

Now I’m definitely a conservative, and actually don’t mind the use of enhanced interrogation techniques such as water boarding for non-American militants located outside the US, but at some point the line is drawn and in this case I’m finding myself being torn between securing our freedom from terrorist, and the blatant criminal act against the US Constitution.

I now have to choose to stand for the US Constitution as recent history continues to show the US government overstepping every inch we have given them to secure our freedom. At this pace we will no longer have the basic freedoms granted in the US Constitution in the next few years, all it will take is one crisis with one radical president willing to use Executive Orders to enact any illegal law for their own selfish purpose.

Oct 06, 2011 11:30am EDT  --  Report as abuse
LaineX wrote:

I wonder if they put Fred Hampton on this “secret list”, or if the CPD just kill whoever they wish… Probably the latter.

Oct 06, 2011 11:32am EDT  --  Report as abuse
akwelker wrote:

This may be the one thing I agree with Obama on. it’s funny how the left (Candidate Obama as well) railed on GWB about his military tactics, but keep them going once in office. It just goes to show, as a candidate you don’t know all the facts.

Oct 06, 2011 11:36am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bobbyv33 wrote:

Do you think that I need to worry that Joe Biden called me a terrorist because I didn’t support his views? Is he on the panel?

Oct 06, 2011 11:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
bitterweed wrote:

I think those kids occupying Wall Street should move on the White House’s National Security Council..I’d trust them no further than I could throw them..

Oct 06, 2011 11:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Cathedral316 wrote:

Let’s put this issue into some historical context… What if Timothy McVeigh fled to Yemen and hid from the US Government… would we have used a kill squad or drone to kill him before charging him? We didn’t have the technology for drones back then but we still had S.E.A.L.’s. Would Team 6 have captured or killed McVeigh; and would it have been legal in April, 1995?

Oct 06, 2011 11:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse
temple62 wrote:

Good riddance to the liberals Democrats who choose to “hide out” in this and other sanctuary locations like Yemen and San Francisco.

Oct 06, 2011 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
BigPat wrote:

As much as al-Awlaki needed death, this is completely UN-Constitutional!

Oct 06, 2011 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
nohope4us wrote:

If this doesn’t send a chill down every Americans neck, I don’t know what it will take! What if they’re wrong? What happened to the constitution?

Oct 06, 2011 11:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
10hawks wrote:


Oct 06, 2011 11:52am EDT  --  Report as abuse
daedilus wrote:


The Geneva Convention only applies to declared wars between uniformed combatants.

Furthermore, the Geneva Convention has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on American Citizens taken by their own forces.

Believe it or not, our CONSTITUTION supersedes international law with respect to our OWN CITIZENS.

A citizen taken under arms has the right to a military tribunal.

If he is not taken under arms, then he has a right to a civil trial.

At no point is the government authorized to summarily execute citizens. Period. Had he been engaged in a firefight, then it would have been a legal killing under the self defense clause established by the judiciary.

Oct 06, 2011 11:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
scoob wrote:

Clearly this is both illegal and unconstitutional. Even the most evil Americans are still guaranteed their due process and no government men or panel can take away these rights.

Oct 06, 2011 11:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Marine61 wrote:

Awlaki was a traitor to the USA. He was loyal to the nation of Islam. Islam is a political movement that also is classified as a religion – we need to underdstand that explicitly! Benedict Arnold was a traitor back when we were standing up as a nation. I am not an Obama supporter but he and his administration got it right this time and when the Navy Seals did Bin Laden. I would like to see the process be more open after the fact. The Obama Administration sure got loose lips about the Navy Seals so why not be open about the “death board”?

Oct 06, 2011 11:57am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FTBranch wrote:

I understand why they killed him. I approve of killing him. But the fact a unknown group has the power to put a American citizen on a kill list is very scary to me.

Oct 06, 2011 11:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jack9f wrote:

“interrogation techniques many equate with torture” AKA waterboarding? or a drone hitting you with a Hellfire. Which one would you like better. George Orwell wrote about this in 1949.

Oct 06, 2011 11:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Mrkelly wrote:

To jaham.

Why do you say this guy was just as bad as those people Paul mentioned? Did he kill American’s? Did he kill others? Did he plan attacks? Be sure about your answer before you give it.
And yes, the economy would absolutly be better right now without question. It’s basic economics, but many many many specific factors indicate we would be in an undeniable recovery and growing at 3%+ GDP right now now.
Just as our country has mini recessions without exception every 5-8 years. And they only last a year or two. Unless you inject big government social programs and bail out like policies. Then those normal mini recessions turn into major ones. Just like FDR, just like Carter, and just like today.

Oct 06, 2011 12:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
nomomoney4u wrote:

Stupid Liberals, they are constructing their own guillotines that will ultimately be used to destroy them. From Republic to Evil Empire in just 2 years.

Oct 06, 2011 12:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MRussell wrote:

I think it’s nuts that anyone would even think that Anwar al-Awlaki is an American in any sense of the word. He lost his citizenship when he decided to fight against Americans.

Section 349 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1481), as amended, states that U.S. citizens are subject to loss of citizenship if they perform certain specified acts voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. Briefly stated, these acts include:

1. obtaining naturalization in a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (1) INA);
2. taking an oath, affirmation or other formal declaration to a foreign state or its political subdivisions (Sec. 349 (a) (2) INA);
3. entering or serving in the armed forces of a foreign state engaged in hostilities against the U.S. or serving as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer in the armed forces of a foreign state (Sec. 349 (a) (3) INA);
4. accepting employment with a foreign government if (a) one has the nationality of that foreign state or (b) an oath or declaration of allegiance is required in accepting the position (Sec. 349 (a) (4) INA);
5. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer outside the United States (sec. 349 (a) (5) INA);
6. formally renouncing U.S. citizenship within the U.S. (but only under strict, narrow statutory conditions) (Sec. 349 (a) (6) INA);
7. conviction for an act of treason (Sec. 349 (a) (7) INA).

From the US Department of State

The man was a traitor…He was no longer an American citizen.

Oct 06, 2011 12:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TC777 wrote:

We The PEOPLE must hold our govt responsible for their actions. In Florida we have a new law that holds officials personally responsible for enforcing local gun laws, as the state laws concerning guns apply.

If federal officials overstep their power they also should face real penalties, such as jail time and large fines.

Oct 06, 2011 12:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
2Cans wrote:

This will only get worse. As the election grows near who of the field running for the Oval Office and their followers will be branded “domestic terrorists”? Will we have drone attacks while there are still on American soil or perhaps if they leave the country on a fact finding tour or even vacation? Nixon was hounded out of office for spying, Obama murders at will and wraps it in a flag, so its ok with the press. There are almost half a dozen acts that should all be investigated, from Fast and Furious, to the failed solar companies. The Wall Street protests are all funded and supported by MoveOn dot org. What more can be said, without Ron Paul in the Oval Office our country is doomed, that is if Mr. Obama does not install himself President for Life or have the other candidates put on a list first.

Oct 06, 2011 12:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MikeJeff wrote:

This secret panel constitutes in my estimation “high crimes and misdemeanors”. Odumbo should be impeached and imprisoned.

Oct 06, 2011 12:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dukedogg76 wrote:

There are well-recognized reasons within international law to permit such “kill or capture” lists (e.g., imminent threat to national security, self-defense, extension of already authorized war power, etc.), and I certainly think this was a justified situation. The juxtapositioning of Awlaki (‘operational’) and Gadahn (‘loud-mouth’). The concern moving forward is what kind of precedent does this set? At what point do I stop being a protester and become ‘operational’?

Oct 06, 2011 12:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

SO, Sarah Palin was right, we do have death panels.

Oct 06, 2011 12:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tarzan4422 wrote:

I guess if this was Bush that did this you would hear about it 24hrs a day from the press But it being the great one in office your not going to hear to much.

Oct 06, 2011 12:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Reality_Check wrote:

Just think for a minute. The President’s poll numbers are way down. Any serious Republican candidate is sure to overthrow President Obama at the polling booth in November 2012. That is a direct operational threat to this government and the power of the principle members of the government making these decision. They have no choice but to use that power to stop any Republican from attacking the current U.S. government on the campaign trail and seeking to overthrow the current ruling elite in Washington using the ballot box in 2012. They, the current government’s “principles” must use drones and act, they have no choice. It is only way to protect America’s current government from overthrow in November 2012.

Oct 06, 2011 12:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
donksuem wrote:

This is a clear violation of the 5th amendment. No questions asked, all involved should be prosecuted without exception. He was not in the US military so he is not allowed to be punished without a trial, simple straight forward. No exceptions.

The 5th amendment

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Oct 06, 2011 12:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Rourk77 wrote:

@FTBranch & everyone else who thinks Al-Awlaki somehow deserved what he got. Why do you think so? Because some government officials said he was a terrorist? Because a news media that largely accepts at face value everything government officials tell them?

I spent a few hours the day after Al-Awalaki was assassinated trying to find evidence to substantiate what has been said about him. I watched some of his videos and I went to his website. No where did I find anything said that I can’t find said at my local bar. The guy actually spends a great deal of time on his website saying that he never said some of what the government says he said. No where could I find him saying what the government said he said. And even if he said what they said he said…. all he did was talk!

Look into it, and question yourself as to how you came to the conclusion that he was a ‘terrorist’. Here is just one video example:

Is that worth him being assassinated?

Oct 06, 2011 12:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
mer44 wrote:

I guess you could say America now has its “Star Chamber”.

Oct 06, 2011 12:22pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Palvadore wrote:

Our ‘government’ has been committing crimes against humanity for decades. Waco was the wakeup call for me. I was there and know for a fact they killed them on purpose. Our country has been take over by criminals!

Oct 06, 2011 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
andyjjj wrote:

Is anyone really surprised? Our government no longer has any respect for the rule of law or the Constitution. THIS is what Ron Paul was talking about. I just didn’t think the ‘death panel’ existed already. If you care about your freedom and rights as an American, this should scare the sh-t out of you.

Oct 06, 2011 12:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ursus wrote:

Star Chamber murders originate at the highest levels of government. Hollywood is prescient.

Oct 06, 2011 12:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
amcalabrese wrote:

They told me something like this would happen if I voted for McCain. I wished I listened to them.

Well, at least Gitmo has been closed.

Oct 06, 2011 12:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
toledofan wrote:

So did we change the name of our country to Cuba or Venezula? What are the rules and who are the people making the decisions and why isn’t this this list being questioned by the mainstream media? International law, I thought our law of the land was our Constitution? This should scare the heck out of everybody; where did Obama get the power to do this?

Oct 06, 2011 12:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@Nukerdoggie: If you have so little faith in anyone’s intelligence or grasp of civics but your own that why on earth do you think democracy matters at all? I am not at all sure it does anymore.

BTW – You’re nick name implies you are in favor of more than capital punishment. It says you would be in support of wholesale annihilation of nations if you were pissed off enough and that you would be the force that lit their fires. I picked mine because it happened to be what was on my desk at the time. It was either that or ashtray or coffeecup but I used one of them already. I’m sick of picking passwords and user names. I used to sign them – paulrosa (there’s three or four of them in this state alone. And it looked so odd when no one else was using his or her names. It also lets one spout off here with a sense of detachment.

There are things I really wish I hadn’t written. But I keep changing my mind about which ones.

I could say this about knowledge of civics – the more I know the less I know, and it never gets any better. As Dorothy Parker said – “There’s no there there”. Never ever is there a there there!

I’m thinking government works fine as a utility and many in government know that’s all most people may want from it. Easy access to the trough and nothing as inconvenient as discussion or even thought to disturb us. It’s the historical norm. It takes so much time to learn it too. It’s a profession.

What bothers me most about secret panels is secrecy is the ultimate “in group” and is the biggest single seduction in a world of powerful people who want access to the funds and influence. For so many wealth alone isn’t enough to satisfy them. They spend all their time with others even wealthier. Being able to think you have secret knowledge is the greatest ego stroke of all and the boobs may not realize that they are being played off each other. The secrets may in fact be worthless and they are prone to finding out that others had even bigger and murkier secrets.

The saying goes – you can’t cheat an honest man. Keepers of secrets are by definition dishonest.

Oct 06, 2011 12:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
markrhs wrote:

so much for the Constitution which stats that NO PERSON can be deprived of LIFE LIBERTY OR PROPERTY without DUE PROCESS of LAW.

what happens when this secret panel decides that JEWS are a problem or CHRISTIANS ? What comes next? Detention camps? Extermination camps?

and just who are those that have such power? Who appoints them?

Its time to read the Declaration of Independence and carry out your duty if you value your freedoms.

Oct 06, 2011 1:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TomCoyne wrote:

The American killed was a traitor, guilty of treason. He should have been subject to penalties cited in the Constitution of the United States of America, nothing more and nothing less.

Jane Fonda was a traitor, guilty of treason. Was she and/or is she on a similar hit list; if not, why not?

Read the Constitution and Note: if you do not read, if you do not write, you do not count!


Thomas J. Coyne

Oct 06, 2011 1:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Barry’s Rhapsody (Sang to Bohemian Rhapsody)

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide,
No escape from reality
Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
Obama’s just a poor boy, he need no sympathy,
Because he’s easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn’t really matter to

Just killed a man,
Put a hit out on his head, pulled the trigger,
now he’s dead
America, Obama’s reign had just begun,
But now he’s gone and thrown it all away
America, oooh,
Didn’t mean to make you cry,
If he’s not back again this time tomorrow,
Carry on, carry on as if nothing really matters

Too late, his time has come,
Sends shivers down his spine, body’s aching all
the time
Goodbye, ev’rybody, we’ve let him go,
Gotta leave us all behind and deny the truth
America, oooh, he don’t want to go,
We sometimes wish he’d never been born at all
We see a little silhouetto of a man,
Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will he can do the

Thunderbolts and lightning, very, very frightening

Galileo, Galileo
Galileo, Galileo
Galileo, Figaro – magnifico

He’s just a poor boy nobody loves me
He’s just a poor boy from a unknown family,
Spare him his shame from this monstrosity
Easy come, easy go, will you let him go
Bismillah! No, we will not let him go
(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let him go
(Let him go!) Bismillah! We will not let him go
(Let him go) Will not let him go
(Let him go)(Never) Never let him go
(Let him go) Never let him go (Let me go) Ah
No, no, no, no, no, no, no
Oh Ameri-mia, Ameri-mia, Ameri-mia, let him go
Beelzebub has a devil put aside for him, for him,
for him

So you think you can stop him and spit in his
So you think you can love him and leave him to
Oh, baby, can’t do this to him, baby,
Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta
Nothing really matters, Anyone can see,
Nothing really matters,
Nothing really matters to him
Any way the wind blows
Nothing really matters to him . . . So long as you believe it’s Bush’s fault. :)

Oct 06, 2011 1:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Looks like Dr Ron Paul have hit the nail on the head over this issue…

Oct 06, 2011 1:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TMMamoru wrote:

I’m more scared of a local paramilitary assault team shooting my dogs and putting a boot on my child’s neck because someone shipped a box of weeds to my house.

And that just takes a phone call to approve.

Not even the mayor is safe. Why do you think you are?,_Maryland_mayor%27s_residence_drug_raid

Oct 06, 2011 1:09pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TedAllen wrote:

Is this part of President Obamas total disclosure and transparent government that he boasted for election? Seems to me that he lied. Yahoo would not allow comments

Oct 06, 2011 1:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

While it is pretty clear that Al-Awlaki deserved to be killed, there needs ot be more transparency to this process…

One of the main problems with our prosecution of the ‘war on terror’ is changing of our fundamental principals in order to combat it, this is exactly what the terrorists want. I do not understand why this process can not be handled in a Court of Law, get a warrant for their arrest and if you cant arrest them kill them, aka Dillinger or Bonnie and Clyde. Our justice system has worked for over 200 years, there is no reason not to use it to prosecute foreign terrorists, or domestic. In effect by abandoning our justice system we are letting the terrorists win.

Oct 06, 2011 1:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
eddieCantor wrote:

Get real people. Do we really need a 2011 facts of life?

If you pledge allegiance to al-Qaeda and spawn minions who kill women and children you will be blown up by a missile, shot by a commando, or executed by another rival terrorist.

Just like if you go on a sniper rampage, the police will give orders like “If this ass-hole does anything but raise his hands and surrender, kill him.”

It’s not like this dirtbag had a chance to surrender and face trial. He wanted to go on trying to convince others, including children to kill themselves and murder as many innocent people as possible.

Police do worst to drug dealers and violent offenders. Get real. With what’s going on out there, we should be lucky no kids were killed taking this blumpkin down.

Oct 06, 2011 1:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
we_the_people wrote:

“They confirmed that lawyers, including those in the Justice Department, were consulted before Awlaki’s name was added to the target list.”

Hmmmmm, interesting. President Bush had Lawyer confirmations and approval for Water Boarding.
My question here is, “Are these the same lawyers?”

Oct 06, 2011 1:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
smprfi1060 wrote:

Just curious if these are the SAME “Senior Government Officials” that have labeled me an extremist because I’m a white veteran, legal gun-owner and right to lifer?

Oct 06, 2011 1:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ideas wrote:

I’m all for killing every terrorist nut job we can find, but assassination of an unarmed American citizen abroad crosses the line. It sets a very dangerous precedent, regardless of which party currently occupies the White House. No matter what he was plotting, Anwar al-Awlaki had constitutional rights as an American. Unless he was actively attacking US troops or civilians, he should have been captured and put on trial.

Oct 06, 2011 1:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Jim_Kress wrote:

This should be terrifying to EVERY American, no matter what their political persuasion (except those who approve of tyranny). There is NO Constitutional justification or authority for this ‘enemies of the State to be murdered’ list. How many of US are on this list? How do we force the government to 1) Terminate this activity and 2) Produce this list for public information?

Oct 06, 2011 1:50pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
EdNYC wrote:

After listening to Obama’s demonization of GB’s approach to protecting America it is with great relief to see that he has joined the real world. Thank you President Obama for being more ruthless on terrorism than the last administration.

Oct 06, 2011 2:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rowley wrote:

Obama killer goon squad gets pass by Congress.

Oct 06, 2011 2:12pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

thank you eddieCantor…reading these posts my thinking was along the same lines as yours. This organization (al-Qaeda) has killed thousands of American’s through terrorist attacks. Not soldiers on a battlefield. But innocent men, women and children who were merely going about their day. By virtue of the atrocities that this organization has perpetrated against our innocent civilians, our president shouldn’t need anyone’s OK. If any of those jacka$$’s (al-Qaeda) get’s up on a podium or any other media anywhere in the world and advocates more terrorist attacks. Kill him/her. You have my blessing!

Oct 06, 2011 2:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AL349 wrote:

ALL right, the Star Chamber is active. Will this also take care of messy political figures?

Oct 06, 2011 2:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Benjamin360 wrote:

How can I check to see if my name is on “THE List”.

And what happens if I register my address and phone number on the “Do Not Mail” and the “Do Not Call” lists and a computer glitch accidentally puts my name and address on “THE List”?

How do I opt-out of “THE List”?

Oct 06, 2011 2:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Thebes42 wrote:

What Act of Congress created this kill panel?
What Article of the Constitution granted such a power?

Extra-legal assassinations are a hallmark of tyrannical governments.

Oct 06, 2011 2:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Lupae wrote:

I would not be surprised if the President put Tea Party members on that list.

Oct 06, 2011 2:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SirGareth wrote:

So what makes our federal government superior to that of the government of Argentina in the early 80s’?

Oh! I know, our death squads are made up of more noble people.

Oct 06, 2011 2:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MerlinMedic wrote:

So much of innocent until proven guilty. Also nice to know that lawyers now have the power of life & death over Americans; not juries, not judges, but unknown lawyers.

Oct 06, 2011 2:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
poggy wrote:

More change we can believe in.

Oct 06, 2011 2:53pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

SirGareth…isn’t nice to know that you can go to the mall or out to your favorite restaurant and be pretty well assured that you’ll leave that place alive? If you lived in iraq or Afghanistan that wouldn’t be the case. Our government is targeting the guys that make those places unsafe, numbnutz! Try not to be a complete moron.

Oct 06, 2011 2:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stopthe wrote:

This totalitarian government has got to go. Bush, Obama, they’re all the same. Give us liberty, not this crap. If we weren’t bullying the rest of the world with 11 aircraft carriers and sending $8 million/day to Israel in military aid, there wouldn’t be any anti-US sentiment.


Oct 06, 2011 2:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stopthe wrote:

Down with the empire. Long live the republic!

Oct 06, 2011 2:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
drlax15m wrote:

We can have due process without capturing a terrorist citizen. Trial by absentia if an arrest is not feasible! Why do some of you pretend we have to capture everyone in order to have due process?

Oct 06, 2011 3:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stopthe wrote:

xyz2055 you’re no better than Stalin or any other tyrant. And neither is our vast, secretive, totalizing and oppressive federal government.

We need a lot less empire, and a lot more liberty. And so does the rest of the world.

Oct 06, 2011 3:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
teflonron wrote:

Arrest these Demonic Bureaucrats and the Executive for subversion of the Constitution!

Oct 06, 2011 3:03pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stopthe wrote:

For all of you lamenting the assassination… why isn’t anyone striking at the root of evil?

Why aren’t we questioning our role in the world? You want an empire, this is what you get: decreasing liberty, decreasing security, decreasing wealth, increasing hatred directed against you, increasing dependence, increasing isolation…

Oct 06, 2011 3:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Liberum1776 wrote:

I guess this means if you are a Tea Party member you are going to be vetted by this panel. If they decide you are a threat to The Kings Will, you will be added to the list and, at The Kings Discretion, hit by one of the drones that currently fly surveillance over the United States.

Oct 06, 2011 3:05pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
rgolds wrote:

xyz2055 wrote:
“Our government is targeting the guys that make those places unsafe, numbnutz!”

It’s nice that you and Obama have set yourselves up as judge and jury. Cuts out the middle men…..and that little ol’ thing called the…law.

Oct 06, 2011 3:06pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
stopthe wrote:

vreesor: WE STARTED THE WAR, in 1945 or earlier, and we cannot win it.

You kill one “terrorist” and a thousand more spring up. What idiot thought they could win a “war on terror?” The way to win a “war on terror” is to not start one. Stop provoking everyone into hatred. Tear down the empire; we don’t need it for wealth or liberty. It is arrogance and hegemony, a waste of time and resources, and the cause of all the evil that is wreaked on us.

Oct 06, 2011 3:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
retrocon wrote:

Absolutely nothing in any law passed since 9/11 suspends the fifth amendment protections for due process regarding a US Citizen.

As a conservative, i am really afraid of the precedent of placing a citizen on a “hitlist,” without due process of law (judicial or legislative). Mind you, i’m not a hypocrite, i was firmly against holding Padilla without due process during the Bush administration.

I can understand conservative confusion in their zeal to fight the war on terror. But any liberal, including those in power today, who claim due process was required for Padilla (which it was), and/or for the scumbag enemy combatants that we capture on battle fields and in war zones (which it is not), is a true hypocrite of the worst kind… the kind who blindly follow their leaders, even beyond their ideologies. That is always the first step toward a totalitarian regime.

Oct 06, 2011 3:08pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
callycat wrote:

“Dear Leader” only has the best interest of the serfs at heart. Don’t question dear leader, you may be reported to attackwatch.

Oct 06, 2011 3:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jwgriffith wrote:

The members of the panel should be put on the kill list. This is outrageous. Everyone associated with this, from the President on down, should be tried, convicted and executed for first degree murder. This is an egregious violation of our laws and our Constitution. These people need to be taken out.

Oct 06, 2011 3:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Marc. wrote:

Truth be told, America has killed far more innocent men, women and children through the concept and acceptance of “collateral damage” than the terrorists we hunt. Notice that Khan barely got a oops, sucks to be you mention even though he was also killed and was also an American. Do we dare hold up our definition of terrorism like a mirror and ponder our own reflection in it. The callous disregard we have for human life and the equally disturbing disregard we have for our own laws put in place to safeguard human life for expediency’s sake have me sick at heart.

Now everyone take a deep breath, cover your ears and scream “But this is WAR!”

WAR is cool. It justifies everything.

Oct 06, 2011 3:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jharri1234 wrote:

I have NO PROBLEM putting Americans on a KILL LIST. We do it everyday in the courts. American militants like Anwar al-Awlaki who could and WOULD KILL thousands or Milions of Americans need to be KILLED BEFORE they KILL US!!

Oct 06, 2011 3:19pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
illinoistom wrote:

Am I the only one that is a little troubled by the government being allowed to target citizens for death without due process in a court of law?

Oct 06, 2011 3:21pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Bush wiretaps ONLY suspected terrorists talking to people in foreign countries.
The left is outraged. 24/7 coverage on the networks, bloggers…a rallying cry that Bush doesn’t care about American’s rights…vitriol, anger… calling…

Obama..secret due process and a death involved
The left is…. silent. The media is overwhelmingly…silent.

Waiting for the outrage…



Oct 06, 2011 3:23pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@retrocon…I can not speak for others, but I have always been of the mindset that changing our behavior because of terrorist acts lets the terrorists win. After 9/11 I do not think we should have changed airport security, no Patriot Act, just go after them where they live DO NOT change our justice system.

Oct 06, 2011 3:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
fahayeklives wrote:

Ah, Liberty is alive and well in the US. Just kill American citizens as we, the government, sees fit. Who needs due process.

Oct 06, 2011 3:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sueinmi wrote:

…similar to individuals making up death “panels” found in Obamacare, who will determine who will live and/or die.

Oct 06, 2011 3:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Bottom Line, if this were legit it wouldn’t have been established in secret, nor would it’s actions be secret.

To those that say “don’t worry”… You should be concerned because that’s how it goes in a country like ours; what you do to the least of us for what ever reason you can also do the the rest of us.

Or to make it easier for you simpletons to understand: The government is completely trustworthy, no criminals there, so why should we be concerned about this little secret. (sarcasm)

And by the way xzy2055, we don’t live in Afghanistan or Iraq, and your chances of dying from a terrorist attack are somewhere around 1 in 9,300,000.

However you have a 1 in 5 chance of dying of a heart disease, 1 in 7 chance of dying of cancer, 1 in 63 chance of dying of the flu.

In short xyz, grow some and stop selling the rest of us out because your spine is missing.

Oct 06, 2011 3:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
49er wrote:

We have become that which we fought WWII and the cold war against.
Americans should rise up with a Bastille Day.

Oct 06, 2011 3:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
49er wrote:

Just like Jerry Jones and Tony Romo, when are Americans going to say enough.

Oct 06, 2011 3:43pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Marc. wrote:

I just realized that the ability and courage to kill anyone, anywhere, at anytime and for any reason without review coupled with the courage and assumed authority to launch a military strike against another country that has not threatened the US, without a declaration of war from congress, had made Obama the Republican conservative wet dream candidate for President.

That may explain the seeming lack of enthusiasm for the current Republican candidate field. :-)

Oct 06, 2011 3:49pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jeremyjs wrote:

Another attack on American soil would be less damaging than the freedoms that have been stripped in order to fight terrorism. If Obama had actually done any of the things he said he would do. End torture, close Guantanamo bay, end the wars, repeal the patriot act and the legislation that followed that further degraded citizens rights, warrant less wire tapping, etc. He would actually be worth a possible re election. Even with all of the things he’s done I disagree with. All he did was continue the worst of Bush’ policies and if he made to call to kill a United States Citizen without due process he or whomever made the call should be impeached/fired and face some serious jail time.

Oct 06, 2011 3:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tayloj6 wrote:

If you are surprised by this you are as naive as the people who believe this is something unique to our government (regardless of the type or location; democracy, dictator, or otherwise). While I agree this is rather hypocritical by the current administration that says nothing of whether or not it is reasonable, surprising, necessary or tyrannical. Likewise there are several factors, much greater than this single “revelation” that point to issues of the current government (note government, not administration).

All of these people who want to get on a high and mighty horse of “constitutional rights”, “bill of rights”, “XX Amendment” and whatever legal, judicial reasoning are entitled to do so (as per the various legal documents they cite). But they need to make a decision. Do they want due process, legal rights, Geneva Convention, civil liberties held up to terrorist and militants? If so then what do we do when terrorists use these protections as a safeguard? Make no mistake they are well aware of the sentiment that many Americans hold and they count on it. Repeatedly they rely on asking for lawyers and their Geneva Conventions rights, of which they are entitled to neither. But they believe they are entitled because American Citizens, voters, want to give them these liberties.

What is scary is not that there is a panel. Again it would be naive and foolish to think otherwise. What is scary is that this panel is chaired and comprised of self serving members of all the branches of the government. That’s what should concern you. For that reason, this slippery slope argument holds weight. While I have no issues with a “Kill List” nor the killing of an “American Citizen” by a drone, I have a concern of the slippery slope of this committee/panel because I have a concern of the self serving people on it.

I think it is funny that GMason1776 references our attack on the use of torture. Let us not forget or realize that most Americans and government officials criticized the CIA and other agencies for not being harsh enough before 9/11 and blaming their complacency. Yet activity gets equal complaint.

As for the case in particular of an “American Citizen” do not make a mistake. He is a citizen on paper for certain but a man wishing harm on other American Citizens just as certain.

Oct 06, 2011 3:55pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tayloj6 wrote:

rgolds wrote:

It’s nice that you and Obama have set yourselves up as judge and jury. Cuts out the middle men…..and that little ol’ thing called the…law.

What makes you believe that if he was properly prosecuted under the law he would be convicted and the same result would occur. If you believe that pursuing the “law” as you see it would render the proper result then that argument might stand. But I think many doubt the same results would endure.

Oct 06, 2011 4:01pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
justperhaps wrote:

Why do so many not understand that due process protects us all even as it hampers would be tyrants? The guilty may benefit from the judgment delay but we all get some protection from preemptive damage. This dead American said some reprehensible things, as was his right, but so far I haven’t heard of actual evidence of a capital offense. An undetermined number of others died with him. Were they also guilty or just unimportantly unfortunate? I often disagree with those in power, even my redheaded wife, does that relegate me to the dustbin?

Due process includes, among other things, reverence for evidence, just processes, accurate proceeding records, qualified persons in judgment and properly executed punishment if it is proven to be deserved. It is apparent that new rules are required to combat international terrorist, but rules remain important for civilization to function. I’m a firm believer in the “if the shoe was on the other foot rule.” Summary judgments are risky, how many times do we find that the initially apparent truth wasn’t actually right?

Justice delayed need not be justice denied, just allowed to be proven.

Oct 06, 2011 4:14pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Dr.Galazkiewicz…you are the one that needs to grow a pair. When you know everything that’s going does the other side. The reason I don’t need to worry about dying in a terrorist attack is because my government is taking the bad guys out before they have the chance. If we were face to face you’d see that my spine is just fine. How’s your’s sitting behind a computer a making challenges?

Oct 06, 2011 4:15pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

I don’t have to worry about a bomb going off at my favorite restaurant. Because my government it taking the fight to the enemy (al-Qaeda) on their home turf. Stalin killed innocent people. The muslim radicals that are dying from drone attacks are hardly innocent people.

Oct 06, 2011 4:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
digmatology wrote:

So if this Anwar al-Awlaki(US BORN CITIZEN) can be placed on a Kill list by our government for his alleged crimes. What prevents them from targeting other American Citizens without due process? How long will it be before Political Enemies Start to appear on this Government Sanctioned Kill list. DO YOU REALLY HAVE FREEDOM, WHILE THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL YOU FOR WHAT EVER REASON THEY DEEM NECESSARY?

Oct 06, 2011 4:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
uisignorant wrote:

That pesky piece of paper those racist ancient men signed is in the way again…..

Oct 06, 2011 4:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Hey XYZ2055, mine are fine, I don’t need the government to make me “feel safe” I can take care of myself. By the way your keyboard muscles, combined with your lack of intelligence and testicular fortitude don’t impress me.

See I understand that things like Motor-vehicle accidents over-all have a 1 in 87 chance of killing us, but we’re not terrified to get behind the wheel? But then again the media doesn’t try to scare you into submission with it either.

I also understand that we all have a 1 in 308 chance of dying from Assault by Firearm, 1 in 1,811 chance of dying from assault by sharp objects and a 1 in 1,172 chance of dying from Intentional Poisoning. The bottom line is that you have an exponentially larger chance of dying from aspirin or at the hand of an average street criminal than you do terrorists.

Something else that all of us need to consider is that government in general has killed over 262 million people in the 20th century and ultimately they are the most dangerous militant force on the planet, always willing to enforce their agenda with force… Always.

All of the things listed above are far more dangerous than the boogieman crap they have used to scare you into submission to a security state; smarten up tough guy your lack of everything is unimpressive.

Oct 06, 2011 4:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
neocommie wrote:

These are the tactic of assymetric warfare. The trap that our country is in now is that we are at war with an idea. The proponents of this idea are by definition our enemies. Killing the enemy is what you do when you are at war. There were plenty of people that tried to explain how this type of war is abhorrent to another idea namely freedom of speech. So as a nation we have to put on our big boy pants and make up our minds which idea we are going to move forward with. Freedom of speech and the right to say what we think or the idea that speech can be so dangerous that there are some things that if you say them will get you a bullet in the head. I am just pointing out the fact that at least this time it was not done behind a shield of plausable deniability and our president is not claiming that he does not remember who gave the order to kill and this time we can talk about the rightness of the deed rather than spending years trying to figure out who knew what or when they knew. This is not the first time our leaders have used assasination as a foriegn policy tool it is probablty not even the first time they have used it to silence an american citizen. The thing that is different is that President Obama is not going to let us pretend that there is a clean or moral way to to mark and kill people who declare themselves our enemies. By doing this the president is telling us that next time we decide to go to war we should know what we are signing up for before we go.

Oct 06, 2011 5:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tayloj6 wrote:

Dr.Galazkiewicz wrote:
Bottom Line, if this were legit it wouldn’t have been established in secret, nor would it’s actions be secret.

So if it’s secret it can’t be legit? Or if its legit it can’t be secret? Circular argument? Or just simply affirming the consequent?

Oct 06, 2011 5:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

We cannot allow this to happen to, and in, our country. There is no justification for the country to become killers whenever WE decide it is okay to do so. Wars are bad enough, but if we are allowed to become as bad as what we perceive our enemies to be, we are lost.

Oct 06, 2011 5:17pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
tayloj6 wrote:

Dr. Galakiewicz: Are you an actuary? I have no evidence to confirm or deny any of your various data for my odds of dying (or the governments total kill numbers) but I fail to see how that has any impact on whether the government should or does have a panel to decide who to kill in the name of GWOT or any other reasoning. I am not going to get into the battle between you and XYZ but I fail to see how stating those facts is supposed to make me believe the government has scared me into my beliefs. I don’t believe the government had a right to kill any person simply because they scared my everyday life.

I agree there are some strong arguments for the US’s tendency to overuse the military element of national power. However, that does not change the fact that we are in a battle with a population that wishes to see harm upon us and our everyday life. Likewise some other have mentioned the foolishness of a Global War on Terror. Also true. But that does not mean we have the ability to do nothing.

Oct 06, 2011 5:25pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
triplegoogle wrote:

Alwalki was CIA, he was a useful idiot who dined at the Pentagon.
Since when does the CIA broadcast their assassinations? this was
all done to Brainwash the dumbed down Masses.. YOU.

Oct 06, 2011 5:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
robertsgt40 wrote:

What a crock. Reminds me of the movie “Star Chamber” with Michael Douglas. I don’t think Gadahn has to worry much…since his real name is Adam Pearlman(look it up). Just another Zio plant

Oct 06, 2011 5:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
botsallover wrote:

Was this guy working for the CIA or not? Or doesn’t it matter?

Oct 06, 2011 5:45pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
marvincooley wrote:

A lot of secret stuff. Maybe a lot of Americans are on the list or soon will be. Ask yourself the question “Has the government ever lied to us?” Can a liar ever be trusted 100%? There is suppose to be a separation of powers so we don’t wake up one day with a dictatorship. For me it is already too late. We have one now. This fact is like the debt situation and the fact that the government is broke. Both situations are like the elephant in the room and everybody is just ignoring it. The Justice Department has been involved in criminal activities and is the perpetrator of things like “Operation Fast and Furious” so they certainly would approve killing anyone, American or not, if they were a threat. They have put many of them in prison all in the name of national security. I am sure they gave their approval for the “Extraordinary Renditions” another criminal activity. It is all OK because every chicken comes home to roost. And the roosting has begun.

Oct 06, 2011 5:47pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

xyz2055 wrote:
“…isn’t nice to know that you can go to the mall or out to your favorite restaurant and be pretty well assured that you’ll leave that place alive? If you lived in iraq or Afghanistan that wouldn’t be the case. Our government is targeting the guys that make those places unsafe, numbnutz!”

Can someone tell me again why it is OUR responsibility to make sure terrorists don’t strike targets in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Why is it that some feel the US has to automatically go in and clean up other peoples’ problems when they aren’t willing to do so themselves? If they aren’t, then they deserve the misery they get as a result.

Meanwhile, we can’t even afford to police our own inner cities and now even rural outlying communities are left to fend for themselves against a growing domestic criminal threat. As long as little Abu Al-Waki can go to enjoy a dinner out with his family in the middle of yet another eons-old tribal dispute.

This secret death panel thing is nothing new. Whenever Democrats take the White House, it seems people start to just drop dead mysteriously. Of the hundreds of law enforcement at Waco, only 4 died…All 4 just happened to have been bodyguards for Clinton before he actually became President. At least three died of near-identical execution-style head wounds to the left temple.

Oct 06, 2011 6:07pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Bill7108 wrote:

This is not Constitutional. This panel needs to be disbanded immediately.

Oct 06, 2011 6:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
dgatch wrote:

This shows how out of control the criminal Obama administration has become. November 2012 can’t come soon enough, but be prepared for an October surprise…..

Oct 06, 2011 6:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
SamHains wrote:

0bama seems to have created quite a few Death Panels during his reign.

Oct 06, 2011 7:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
kturnp wrote:

One thing everyone seems to be missing is that he is 1) not on US soil and therefore is subject to international laws. If he was on US soil this would be a none story and if it still happened then we would all have something to be concerned about, 2) he is a terrorist just as any other terrorist that incites violence against the US, despite his citizenship. In fact it is safe to say he is MORE dangerous because he was once a part of our society. The terrorist that come from another country cannot know the things that he knows.

The really ironic thing is that the people he stands with, like the ones that flew our planes and killed close to 3,000 people, are the ones that we should all thank for our government being able to do this. Do you really believe this panel is something new? WHY do you think the panel was made up? My advise, don’t convert to Islam, move to Yeman, train with a terrorist group and get on the internet ranting and raving to take action against the US.

Oct 06, 2011 7:42pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Shadmin wrote:

I guess they got permission to kill JFK too? Yeah right….

Oct 06, 2011 7:51pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
AndrewHayes wrote:

The point of a trial is to determine whether or not the individual at question actually did commit any acts deemed criminal, and if so was there any mitigating circumstances, which would justify the act. i.e. the murder of a man by a father whose child the victim had sexually abused. Or a murder committed by a woman whose children have been kidnapped by the mob and held at ransom for the life of the man whom she killed. If theres no trial then there is no way to find these things out. So we know these guys were killed,

and perhaps in this instance the government may know what this man did, but we the people do not know, We are the jury, the Jury is the people, the last check on government power, to check the laws that are passed by the legislatures we elect, and enforced by the executives that we elect. The Jury is like double checking a math equation by working it backwards. And we didn’t get that in this case. And it opens the door for more killings by the government. Lets face it 2,000 lives lost is a great tragedy, but not nearly as great a tragedy as the loss of one dear to you. How long until this dismissing of trials until it is applied to murders rapists and thieves.. Much worse innocent people accused of being murders rapists and thieves? And Don’t forget the drug laws, and the gun laws. And whatever new laws the legislatures may conjure up or the executive might order into law.

If that weren’t enough how about old fashioned investigations, capture this guy and see what information can be gathered?

Oct 06, 2011 7:54pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
lawnjockey wrote:

These are sad, sad days for America. Now that you and I have commented we will probably be put on the no fly list so out constitutional rights can be incrementally stripped away. Very sad indeed.

Oct 06, 2011 7:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

This just cracks me up.
What kind of twisting did this Administration have to do to come up with the whole

Waterboarding a captured foriegn born terrorist=very bad, we should never do this as a civilized society

Blowing the ever loving sh!t out of a terrorist=good, we should always blow up American born terrorists and obviously this is much more civized.

By the way, I am for both of those, blow them up, waterboard the hell out of them, it all works for me, but the moral equivancy of this White House is something to behold.

Oct 06, 2011 8:02pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Well for goodness sake, folks, this killing was vetted by lawyers and given the green light… what are y’all complainin’ about?

Oct 06, 2011 8:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
themadride wrote:

There is a big difference between killing a criminal in the process of committing a crime or resisting arrest…..and seeking to kill someone who may have already committed the crime (or will again in the future) instead of trying to arrest and try them.

This guy was bad news I’m sure, but it sets a dangerous precedent. If this can be done, then can’t the same take place on American soil? Can’t the same take place with someone who is still bad….but just not quite so clearly evil as this target?

Where will it end? We don’t know because their own justification for the legality of their actions is classified.

IMO this is grounds for not only impeachment, but imprisonments as well. Our politicians have no accountability and worse, no consequences.

Oct 06, 2011 8:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Shadmin wrote:

When a government grows so arrogant and bloodthirsty that it believes it is right to form a covert group which exists for the sole purpose of killing it’s own citizens it inevitably signals the impending downfall of that system! History is replete with examples of failed governments who had started killing their own citizens who were classified as political troublemakers, undesirables etc etc. The Nazis had the Einsatzgruppen as well as the Cold War era East German Secret Police aka Stasi in the former East Germany, Soviet Union had the KGB, Yugoslavia had the VRS, Cambodia had the infamous Khmer Rouge, South Africa had it’s own secret police group carrying out torture and extrajudicial killings of their own citizens during the Apartheid era. There are many more examples down through history, across the globe! Eventually after they have had enough of the disappearances, rape, torture and genocide the citizenry revolts and overthrows the government or forces the cadre in power to resign! That should be a lesson for any government who thinks that killing their own citizens is the answer? Any government who does this is no better than the tin horn homicidal nut cases who have come to power in Africa or Central and South America? God help us!

Oct 06, 2011 9:04pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ladygaga wrote:

pretty soon anyone who is against the cia , the senate , government official will be on the list , finally , the president himself who had the confrontation with teh head of the cia will take a bullet. a so called intelligent agency like this in united states used to be bi product now had rule the nation.

Oct 06, 2011 9:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jabusse wrote:

Did I hear Joe “O” Stalin? Since when does the US disappear people for their political views. Even the unibomber got a trial.

Oct 06, 2011 9:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
jekyllisle wrote:


Your comment about TARP proves that you have no understanding of the concept or how money is made. Please educate yourself before posting ridiculous comments please

Oct 06, 2011 10:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Due process is all about protecting us all from biased killings. Especially, when you have narcissistic leaders who have people killed because they disagree politically or know confidential information about their personal lives.

Oct 06, 2011 10:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
MikeinChicago wrote:

A scary thing indeed.

Imagine Dick Chaney chairing the panel. Imagine me in President Obama’s position. (I can think of some “conservatives” that I’d surely feel had gone so far beyond reason as to constitute treason).

On balance, I think the concept is just too dangerous regardless of any expediency.

Oct 06, 2011 10:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Don’t we have prisons for persons considered threatening?

Oct 06, 2011 10:33pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Delphinus13 wrote:

Sounds like Obamacare is spreading to our terrorist enemies.

Oct 06, 2011 10:48pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
CountYob wrote:

This secret panel needs to be outed.

Oct 06, 2011 10:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

The title is erroneous. The “kill list” is reserved for people who were militants against the U.S., whether residing the U.S. or overseas. I don’t think people have a problem eliminating a threat in either situation. Awlaki was the first and only person to make the list and to think the average protestor or republican could be put on the list is totally delusion and paranoid thinking.

Oct 06, 2011 11:11pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sunzfan wrote:

They can put anyone on the list they don’t agree with. Political enemies, a member of a certain religion, ANYONE!

Oct 06, 2011 11:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
sgreco1970 wrote:

Its time for this to change. Whatever has granted these secret panels such unilateral power needs to be expunged.

Oct 06, 2011 11:26pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
karela11 wrote:

This man’s entire purpose in living was to inspire other extremists who are already in America to kill as many Americans as possible. He used the web to teach them how—-how to build bombs, how to buy guns without giving information, how to kill the most possible. The President certainly did the right thing by sending a drone to end his hate. Are we too pure to defend ourselves? This man needed to go and he couldn’t be captured without creating an international incident and invading another country. It’s done. Leave it lay and be glad that we didn’t lose another three thousand Americans to his plots.

Oct 06, 2011 11:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
karela11 wrote:

This man’s entire purpose in living was to inspire other extremists who are already in America to kill as many Americans as possible. He used the web to teach them how—-how to build bombs, how to buy guns without giving information, how to kill the most possible. The President certainly did the right thing by sending a drone to end his hate. Are we too pure to defend ourselves? This man needed to go and he couldn’t be captured without creating an international incident and invading another country. It’s done. Leave it lay and be glad that we didn’t lose another three thousand Americans to his plots.

Oct 06, 2011 11:46pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheBaldEagle wrote:

Unfortunately in today’s war on terror, enemy combatants are just as likely to be American citizens as any other. If an individual decides to take up arms against the United States, I don’t care where he was born. I don’t see how that makes his death morally wrong, but another’s OK. America needs to be able to defend herself against all aggressors, regardless of where they were born.

Oct 06, 2011 11:52pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
twelveguage wrote:

i have not read every one of the comments so someone else may have already addressed this idea: but why not “we the people” form our own secret panels or “starchambers” and develop our own “kill list”? it could be both general, such as members of this or that group, and specific, as in an individual by name. maybe some very savvy computer person, which i am not, could even post it on the internet in a way they cannot be identified, and let the whole world know who “we the people” think should be eligible to be knocked off.

Oct 06, 2011 11:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
breezinthru wrote:


The banks should have been temporarily nationalized in 2008… the money making apparatus and the debt, not just the debt.

Anyone who broke the law in the pursuit of vast profits in years preceding that debacle should have been prosecuted under by the DOJ under RICO, imprisoned and stripped of all their assets.

A paltry fine for fraud leveled by the SEC just doesn’t cut the mustard with me.

Thanks for asking.

Oct 06, 2011 11:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Archie1954 wrote:

This is disgusting and beyond perverse. It is even worse than the assassination bureau run out of Cheney’s office during Bush’s reign of incompetency. The Whitehouse is forever sullied by this tyranny!

Oct 06, 2011 12:01am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ncpg wrote:

Under ObamaCare, Washington bureaucrats on Death Panels will decide whether Grandma lives or dies.

Oct 06, 2011 12:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse

The known bandits on Wall Street whose actions — in one way or another — regularly kill more citizens than died on 911, could/should fall victim to America’s new brand of justice the next time they travel out of the United States. And known foreign drug bosses whose actions kill thousands of Americans every year, could/should also be targeted for death.
In fact, drones should be equipped with cameras and equipment that could interrupt regular television broadcasting and computer servers, to show the latest kill as it happens, and also provide close-ups of the charred and dismembered bodies as evidence of a successful mission.

Oct 06, 2011 12:10am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Loganius wrote:

Did the government have to get permission from anyone to kill Bonnie & Clyde, John Dillinger, and Baby Face Nelson? No, no one needs to give law enforcement officers permission to shoot back. No one needs to give anybody permission to shoot back.

Well, here is the death panel some people are worried about. This so unconstitutional it is unbelievable. I’m starting to think the protests were timed to keep media attention off of this fiasco. Don’t get me wrong, the guy needed to die, but as an American, he should have died strapped to a gurney convicted of treason as defined by the Constitution.

Oct 06, 2011 12:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Blountttruth wrote:

“Did the government have to get permission from anyone to kill Bonnie and Clyde? John Dillinger? Baby Face Nelson?”

Interesting view, I am curious if Alawki was witnessed by many shooting and killing law enforcement? Security guards at a bank? Oh yeah, he was walking down the road and got hit by a missile. I agree that this man was a turd, and the world is a better place without him, but it begs the question why in the past we did not simply bomb the home of Timothy McVeigh? The latest terrorist turd that was going to attack the pentagon with a remote control jet, should we have blown up his subdivision when finding out he was plotting to hurt Americans? The fact he was in a foreign country did not invalidate his constitutional rights, the same way these turds of our past got the same respect of a trial by jury or killed when attacking American law enforcement. It is called law, and without it we do not have a democracy. It is fine for close minded statists that think the state is always right, but it sets a precedent that anyone for any reason can be killed by the US government, and that sir is not American and many people would like to see evidence before allowing those with the power to execute indiscriminately.

Oct 06, 2011 12:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rbruce70 wrote:

So this guy went to Yemen to protest the US and organize resistance against Saleh and his American backers. From what I have read, this guy was once on our side, but as the wars have become farces and thinly veiled attempts at neo colonialism, he switched sides, as this was apparently no do gooder mission on our part. Was the guy actually fighting US forces? No. So why kill him? He was a Muslim cleric that saw through the charade of US foreign policy and was getting the word out about it. Sorry folks, we are the Fourth Reich and this time we are the bad guys. We are the Germans and the Arabs/Persians/Turks are the Bolsheviks that are aupposedly hellbent on taking over the world. Thing is, in reality we are the ones bombing everyone in sight or buying off foreign politicians through our spreading of democracy.

Oct 06, 2011 12:37am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rbruce70 wrote:


How do you know this guy was so bad? Because the media told you? The same media that has in its best interests to keep the same lie going in order to prop up our failed corporate dominated political system? This guy used to be on our side, til he saww through the false pretenses of our mission in the ME and switched sides. Do we really know he was a terrorist? Maybe all he was doing was organizing political resistance to Saleh in Yemen or speaking out against the US. That in itself would get him on the “kill list”. What is so sad about this is how the media can manipulate the masses into believing who the bad guys are much like Big Bother in 1984 had the masses pissed off at the “terrorist” Wallenstein. In the book, it ended up that Wallenstein, was Big Brother. Every terrorist organization in the world has CIA/MI6/Mossad fingerprints on it. At some point these guys were funded and armed by the world’s major intel agencies. Hamas, was a total creation of Mossad to split the PLO, etc. Al-Maliki might have hated the US,and spoke out against our foreign policy, he might have even tried to recruit terrorists or just fighters agains Saleh in Yemen. Either way, this sets up an Imperial Roman atmosphere, where anybody deemed a threat to the US regime can be smeared and made into a terrorist by the US media, and by Imperial decree by the Emperor(President), and his Star Chamber. As an American you have the right to voice your own opinion, etc. Do you want to have that taken away from you in fear for your very life? In truthe Al-Maliki might have been a terrorist recruiter, or he could have been a freedom fighter in Yemen against Saleh, or he could have just pissed off the CIA as he turned against them. My points are, you can’t entirely trust corporate media, as the corporations and banks run the show and that this sets up a dangerous precedence to silent any opposition to what is going on in either foreign or domestic politics.

Oct 06, 2011 12:54am EDT  --  Report as abuse
IraqVet wrote:

There is no honor in what this nation has become, our moral high ground and has been replaced by puppets and fascist oligarch.

Oct 07, 2011 1:09am EDT  --  Report as abuse
brian-decree wrote:

The structure of the so called ‘panel’ serves only to insulate the president from responsibility and prosecution.

The kill list is unconstitutional and illegal.

Sadly the US has turned into such a dictatorship that no US official can possibly face justice for breaking US law.

You fought against the great communist dictatorships 30 years ago, now you are one…

Oct 07, 2011 1:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

Let me get this straight Democrats and Obama. Bush and Cheney should be tried for war crimes because they approved water boarding of a few key Al Queda members. Obama on the other hand is allowed to assassinate a US citizen Al Queda member and is supported. The hypocrisy of the left and Obama himself knows no ends.

Oct 07, 2011 1:58am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote:

Flush and Dr. G: The atrocities of 9/11 justify the actions against al-Qaeda. They declared war on the U.S. that day. When one of them stands up and advocates more terrorist actions like that against the U.S. they are fair game. Or when they gather to plot actions against Americans, they are fair game. The drone attacks seem to me to be a very efficient way to reduce the risk of further attacks against innocent American civilians. I could care less what happens in Iraq or Afghanistan. I’m talking about protecting American’s in American against further attacks like 9/11. I have absolutely no problem covert panels or covert operations to achieve that end. We need to stamp this organization out of existence if possible. So far, I’d say they are doing a pretty good job.

Oct 07, 2011 2:15am EDT  --  Report as abuse
xyz2055 wrote: you’re suggesting that we “lawyer” ourselves up to defend our country against a group that has dedicated itself to finding ways to cause more civilian casualties on American soil? Thank you very much, but I prefer the secret panel and the drone program that takes them out on their own soil before they have a chance to do more damage on ours.

Oct 07, 2011 2:31am EDT  --  Report as abuse
diddums wrote:

Welcome to fascism.

Oct 07, 2011 2:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
txgadfly wrote:

Great. Now we have our very own Court of Star Chamber. This sort of crap is supposedly why we had a Revolution. More bureaucrats who are above the law. Can we limit how many there are? How about 10,000? Since posting opinions on the internet can get you officially assassinated, are those of us posting opinions on Reuters safe?

Oct 07, 2011 2:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
ConstFundie wrote:

I also have BIG problems with this. Nicely done President Obama. Way to improve transparency and Constitutional balance in government. Let me guess, the panel is Bush jr. and Cheney?

The strategy is certainly more cost efficient and humane than invading a country and fighting in, and bombing cities with innocent civilians. However, this should absolutely not be secret, and should be completely public and of public record. Further, there should be absolute and strict legal standards applied. The person should be an imminent threat to other Americans and their capture overly hazardous. Further, they should be served with a public warning and deadline for surrender. Third, a “secret panel”?! , how about using the Judicial system as was intended. The Supreme Court could easily handle these rare cases.

Oct 07, 2011 3:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SoulLeister wrote:

Adding Americans to the “KILL LIST” without due process??? Takes on a whole new meaning seeing as this administration is already targeting and killing US citizens overseas (if not here too, healthcare death panels). Yet the Obama administration wants to give its fellow muslim friends elaborate court trials (but none for citizens of the United States)… somebody needs to be impeached.

Oct 07, 2011 3:18am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JamesDrouin wrote:

Well, if US citizens, in the form of the US government, are targeting other US citizens with “due process”, then they are comitting “M-U-R-D-E-R”.

Oct 07, 2011 4:51am EDT  --  Report as abuse
omstrat wrote:

Hey Paul ..If this was Bush your head would be exploding and the nY Time would be headlining him as Hitler and a murderer and there would be riots in the street..But being that it your man Obama it’s
all just ok ..You and your ilk are such frauds it’s sickening.

By the way know I’m right .don’t you feel stupid now ?

Oct 07, 2011 6:11am EDT  --  Report as abuse
jasonmburns wrote:

This is very dangerous! What are the guidelines for being put on this list? This is unconstitutional! The constitution is there to protect Americans from the government and now the US government is killing Americans!

Oct 07, 2011 6:14am EDT  --  Report as abuse
auger wrote:

You are now leaving America. Please come back soon.

Oct 07, 2011 7:21am EDT  --  Report as abuse
FugginMoronz wrote:

“Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged against provisions against danger, real or pretended from abroad.” -James Madison

“The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.” -James Madison

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Ben Franklin

Oct 07, 2011 7:59am EDT  --  Report as abuse
supersniffy11 wrote:

Can we put Reid and Pelosi on the list?

Oct 07, 2011 8:07am EDT  --  Report as abuse
rmmmm wrote:

What is new here? The USG has been killing people from its target lists for at least a century. Remember COINTELPRO from the 60s and 70s — civil rights and native american rights leaders were murdered, falsely imprisoned, and in Hoover’s words “decapitated.” The USG still uses the concept of “decapitating” all of its opposition groups. All dictatorships murder their opponents. The USG is no differnt; it is just bigger and more deadly.

Oct 07, 2011 9:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Seeing as only one person has ever made the “death list”, and a truly deserving dirtbag at that, no worries mate.

Oct 07, 2011 9:40am EDT  --  Report as abuse

Constitution1st, do you not see any irony in that your screen name very clearly communicates that you believe that the Constitution must come first in our country (as do I) but that your post supports an action that is in direct violation of the 5th Amendment’s guarantee of a trial by jury for all citizens? He was not in an active war zone, so that exception doesn’t apply. I agree Al Alaki deserves death. But we have to try him before we fry him. That is of course, only if the Constitution really does come first.

Oct 07, 2011 10:17am EDT  --  Report as abuse
anotherview wrote:

Awlaki in effect declared himself an enemy of the state, and acted accordingly by his involvement in deadly violence. In turn, his status in relation to America changed to enemy combatant as an Islamic terrorist pursuing jihad. His citizenship itself did not change yet it stopped serving as a convenient shield to make him untouchable by military force. In short, he put himself in the cross-hairs. His demise renders the nation safer, and his demise finds justification in this desirable outcome.

Oct 07, 2011 10:41am EDT  --  Report as abuse
OlderSachem01 wrote:

The Patriot Act and all these lethal sanction practices given a pass by the myopic attorneys to the government suspended the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to face one’s accuser and be given a speedy trial before a jury of one’s peers. As such, these practices are Unconstitutional from the perspective of the founders and the explicit terms of the primary law of this Republic. Anyone that defends extra-legal and non-legal sanctions as a right of the state for self defense is mistaken in law, fact and logic. Anyone that takes extra-legal and non-legal actions for lethal sanction on the ostensible behalf of the Republic is an outlaw and a traitor to the United States and all it has stood for.

Unless the American people stop believing that their security trumps their explicit constitutional freedoms, this country deserves to be forgotten in history as another failed gnostic cult like the Templars.
The nation is never safer when it breaks the laws it champions as required for all people, it subjects itself to debasement and moral peril. Life is not worth living at the expense of one’s principles, and it is certainly not worth killing or dying for unless those principles reflect the greater moral good. If the state can murder with impunity, individuals can too. The result is the Hobbesian state of nature, where all life is nasty, brutish and short.

There is no difference between using a predator drone to kill someone in a foreign sovereign state which is non-combatant and lynching a black man to a tree. Both have been declared a danger to the polity in the past. Both actions are murder, plain and simple. Any lawyer that argues otherwise deserves dis-barment. Any judge that finds otherwise deserves impeachment. Any citizen voting otherwise deserves to have their citizenship revoked. Any Christian defending pre-emptive murder on behalf of the state is guilty of the sin of murder. Any Christian acting to murder on behalf of the state is likewise condemned. Israel has always been wrong to defend this murderous approach to foreign policy. America is wrong to follow their inhumane example.

America is teetering over the precipice of great evil. We shall see within the next 12 months whether the American fall from Grace is a permanent condition. I pray that the demagogue in the White House will have the courage to undo this terrible damage. Guantanamo is an embarrassment. The kill list is an indictment. It doesn’t matter who you THINK is guilty: pre-emptive action to kill is murder. If you aren’t going to declare war, and you can’t bring someone to court for a capital crime, this third choice is no option to a free society.

Oct 07, 2011 11:39am EDT  --  Report as abuse
SeriouslyNow wrote:

There must be something in the White House water that makes these folks think that they don’t have to play by the same rules as everyone else… or they can just change the rules. Are problems are bigger than the partisan bickering that frames most debates. Interestingly, this situation has both sides upset. What a mess.

Oct 07, 2011 12:27pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
ConstFundie wrote:

To Constitution1rst, so you have seen the secret list of the secret panel, and there is only one name on it, and one name X’ed off?

Oct 07, 2011 1:34pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
meckcommish wrote:

Interesting article for those into the details.

Oct 07, 2011 1:56pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
limn wrote:

Why can’t people just accept they have become little more than property of the federal government and will lose their life if they decide to put themselves somewhere to avoid capture, leaving the authorities no other choice but to take them out by any means available.

Oct 07, 2011 2:10pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
NowImPOd wrote:

“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so.
How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”
— Julius Caesar

Oct 07, 2011 3:39pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

If the Constitution doesn’t apply to Americans overseas, then why does it apply to overseas national? If we can kill Americans without due process, then why should we be worried about violating the rights of foreign terrorist, captured overseas?

Oct 07, 2011 4:28pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
RandomName2nd wrote:

Thanks for the link Rourk77
This guy was hardly a foaming at the mouth lunatic.
Compare his words to the words spouted by 99% of US politicians.
Murdered for his beliefs by his own government.
I looked up the definition of a police state on wikipedia and laughed when America ticked every item on the list yet noticed the world map showing police states shows America as not being one. That needs updating.
I think the fact that the US has the most number of incarcerated people in total and per capita in the world is a hint.

Oct 07, 2011 5:41pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ertik wrote:

“The very word “secrecy” is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.”JFK at least he had the right idea on this

Oct 07, 2011 8:44pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
pupplesan wrote:

Hope…no. Change…well, yeah, ripping up the US Constitution is change I guess.

Oct 07, 2011 9:16pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
armyvet1987 wrote:

Every servicemember gives their oath to defend this nation and the constitution against all enemies both foreign and domestic. The defense of America is paramount

Oct 08, 2011 1:02am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Answerman1949 wrote:

It’s time for Congressman Paul, Congressman Kucinich and other like minded Members of Congress to step up and draft articles of impeachment against Barack Obama and the members of this secret panel for “high treason”. Otherwise, I fear those who even suspect they are on such a kill list will be motivated to take drastic preemptive action. After all, the “Bush doctrine” has set up a legal precedent in this area.

Oct 08, 2011 9:55am EDT  --  Report as abuse
roadburner wrote:

do you really think this is anything out of the ordinary?

covert assasinations outside the constitution have been happening since the constitution was ratified.

how many u.s. citizens do you think were hit during the cold war for playing both sides?

thinking that this is some new white house conspiracy is naive to say the very least.

Oct 08, 2011 11:33am EDT  --  Report as abuse
naryso wrote:

@PaulDonelson, As I recall those you cite were killed in the act of a crime, firing on officers, etc.
This is not the same thing. Law enforcement has the right to protect themselves, which is not the same as a secret panel deciding that US citizens can be killed without due process, conviction of a crime etc. Recall that for most crimes in the US the death penalty is not even allowed and that is with a trial, with due process, and multiple automatic appeals.

Oct 08, 2011 2:18pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
wildthang wrote:

So that kind of means a blank check… anyone can say they killed a US citizen with authorization of which there is no record. And besides if you don’t get caught with your gloves off then no problem to begin with and why bother with getting authorization either. The compromise world with the rule of law means no rule of law across the board. A country that loses its principles has no principle and has lost its standing as a nation.

Oct 08, 2011 2:29pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Thors_Hammer wrote:

Give IT your Best Shot, Hillary, you are still going DOWN.

Oct 08, 2011 3:36pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
duet wrote:

We have the CIA, FBI, NSA, military and who knows how many other confidential organizations of the government that operate with some or a lot of secrecy. Looks like this panel can advise but I hope it is not able to carry out a mission without input from other sources than just the president or whitehouse. But, since no government or economy is autonomous any more and we are a part of globalization then a terrorist threatening our lives, no matter where he/she may reside, is apparently fair game. Works both ways though. Doesn’t it.

Oct 08, 2011 6:37pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

There is the possibility that this article is in the spirit of Orsen Wells mars invasion. It might just be a litmus test.

Whatever it is and whatever the facts, @eddiecantor: you say that terrorists were trying to convince children to blow themselves up.

Depending on your take of the issues – So did the supporter of the Tzar during the civil war that followed his abdication. It wasn’t suicide precisely but enlistment of children soldiers. It was a scene in the movie Dr Zhivago anyway. The Emperor of Japan expected very young men to die as Kama Kazi pilots at the orders of his high commanders. I have heard stories of the end of the Third Reich that included the death of patriotic school-boys. Boy soldiers died for both sides in the US civil war. Under age kids enlist in WWI. In times of war the lemmings crawl out of the woodwork and enlist for the cause and their parents will even sometimes approve.

The UN has rules on the books – The Universal Declaration of Human Rights – that denounce all these practices and not once has any side of the current dispute mentioned them.

Israeli bombarded the Gaza strip without allowing the possibility of anyone trapped in strip from fleeing to a safe haven in any territory or country and certainly not to Israel proper. Why? Because it didn’t acknowledge that any innocent civilians might actually live there? I believe a few hundred children were burned to death or maimed. I cannot call that war symmetrical because anyone that Hamas may have fired upon with their laughably inaccurate missiles could easily flee to anywhere else in the state of Israel with relatively little discomfort. The fact that no town was ever evacuated in the face of “such a terrible barrage” argues that it wasn’t such a terrible barrage after all and perhaps served as a kind of nationalist therapy.

It’s amazing how the fierce and desperate will use even children either to do the dirty work or to justify it?

Oct 08, 2011 8:40pm EDT  --  Report as abuse

Several problems with the rationalization and the analysis:

1. US “criminal case” justifications for executive violence apply only in exigent circumstances. A clear and present danger to the public or the officer must be involved. Here, there was obviously no danger posed to the CIA civilians perched in front of video monitors. Reports are that the murdered group was dismounted from their vehicles and eating breakfast when the group detected the drone(s). The group was in a fairly remote area. The group was shadowed by the CIA drone and by military aircraft, possibly helicopters. The CIA has a constant drone presence over the civil war area and uses drone attacks as “targets” present themselves. This was not the first. This was the first to bag Americans. The Administration chose not to pursue any criminal indictments. Instead, it chose to bag its game.

2. Al-Qeada is not a country, has no defined membership, has no defined political agenda, has no defined assets, has no defined operational area, and exists only as a concept for both those who would “adhere” to it, and for those who would spend hundreds of billions of dollars hunting its adherents as if they were big game trophies. Yemen is in a civil war that pose a threat to Saudi Arabia’s dictators who are backed by the US State Department and Congress. That is the real reason for the murders. The CIA now wants another $5 billion for drone operations.

3. COINTELPRO. The so-called “war on terror” is a conceptual vehicle used by various governments to justify global “anti-terror” agendas that really have little to do with the amount of actual terror experienced by millions of people at the hands of governments, both “friends” and “foes”, however those can be defined. There is no actual war. It is an Orwellian war. What the Executive is crafting and executing is a global COINTELPRO strategy to address the global instability of the economic system. It is policing the global economy. Basically, the Executive is using hyperbaric (MAC) munitions to eviscerate and roast opposition to the regimes supported by US policy analysts.

4. The “kill-on-sight” orders issued by the Executive Branch are seemingly reserved for non-whites and those who profess non-Christian religious beliefs.

5. Nothing in the executive’s revelation prevents its application to anyone at any place, at anytime, and under any circumstances that the Executive decides. The “deciders”.

6. The executive’s analysis is hooded in ceremonial garb, and the rationalizations differ little from the KKK’s justifications for lynchings. The executive is engaged in secret targeting for lynchings.

7. Describing Khan’s and the other occupants’ murder as “collateral damage” minimizes the scope of the Executive’s kill program, and justifies killing “non-targets” as long as a target is present. That is murder in most people’s book. Certainly reckless homicide. Ironically, the COINTELPRO attacks and their rationalizations bear a remarkable resemblance to the KKK bombing a church. The target is the idea. Hellfire missiles are as indiscriminate as the bombings of markets with car-laden bombs. The CIA used them to bomb a community forum in Pakistan that was convened to discuss local mining rights. Over 40 eviscerated.

8. No justification exists for secret theories of government. Obviously, they are not secrets to the executive and many others. Mein Kamph was not a secret.

Oct 09, 2011 10:08am EDT  --  Report as abuse
TommySherpa wrote:

The rules have changed. Deal with it.

Oct 09, 2011 11:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@tmyysherpa – if the rules change so much – only those who make a living at the new rules can ever even learn of the existence of them – that you can expect top live in a world of rules not you even understand. Deal with it Huh?

Oct 09, 2011 2:32pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
justsayin2011 wrote:

Actually, it reminds me of the beginning of that witch hunt for communists that McCarthy thought was such a good idea. If public character assassinations in front of congress could cause that much unwarranted damage, imagine what a secret group without oversight by sane, intelligent thoughtful citizens could do. As a reminder, theoretically, they work for us.

Oct 09, 2011 6:31pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
T.Williams wrote:

In simple terms, If you take up arms against your country you are an enemy of the country. Whether captured or killed as a result of an attack is not relavent. We are at war, and he was a leader of the enemy.

Oct 10, 2011 11:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
JerzyK wrote:

Right on. Good shootin’ tex! There is no rational reason why some terrorists should be treated differently than others merely because they were born in the US. Comparing Dillinger, Bonnie & Clyde ( criminal bank robbers) to Anwar al-Awlaki ( a terrorist & mass murderer ) is a insult to bank robbers everywhere.

Oct 10, 2011 6:30pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
paintcan wrote:

@twilliams and JerzyK – “We are at war”. Wars tend to end when the combatants agree to sign a treaty. How are you going to know when and with whom to sign a treaty?

You may both be believing in the war that never ends because there may be no way to end it. If it goes on indefinitely it may not matter at all what was considered fair dealing or even what a “just war” is.

I’m a firm believer that eventually even the “just” rot. And rot makes even the firmest kind of mushy.

Oct 11, 2011 4:46am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Okieone wrote:

PaulDonelson, Bonnie and Clyde, John Dillinger, and Baby Face where resisting arrest, if they had been arrested they would have faced due process.
A government that murders its citizens without due process is a tyrannical government.

Oct 11, 2011 3:59pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
hammondkeys wrote:

So, the same guys who told us that foreign enemy combatants should be treated with the same rights as U.S. citizens now have a death tribunal for CITIZENS that does an ‘end around’ due process as we currently understand it?

Oct 11, 2011 7:20pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
Ralphooo wrote:

“In an ironic turn, Obama, who ran for president denouncing predecessor George W. Bush’s expansive use of executive power in his ‘war on terrorism,’ is being attacked in some quarters for using similar tactics.”

I fail to see the irony of a candidate who claims to be different, but then does exactly the same things in several areas of policy. Maybe he learned something while in office that changed his mind. But if that is the case, he should explain.

Oct 12, 2011 8:38am EDT  --  Report as abuse
Zhurrie wrote:

So, how can we add people to the list? I have a few suggestions! : )

Oct 12, 2011 2:13pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
manykant wrote:

Everyone is in favor of the secret committees until your name winds up on one.

Oct 12, 2011 4:24pm EDT  --  Report as abuse
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