FBI warns of threat from anti-government extremists

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KRT wrote:

This article is Brainwashing at its finest.

The only people i see performing illegal and “extremist” behavior are some characters in our government.

I guess you better arrest Ron Paul for wanting to abolish the FED and IRS and being able to understand basic math.

Feb 06, 2012 7:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TomGenin wrote:

Seeing as 89% of Americans see the Government as the single greatest threat to their freedom….who exactly is this warning being directed to?????

Seeing as there are roughy 14.6 Million gov’t employees, the country, ironically almost the exact number as 11% of the work force that didn’t see the gov’t as the single greatest threat, that would mean that the FBI is warning the rest of gov’t employees that everybody else is a threat. So they’re warning themselves?

Feb 06, 2012 7:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bakedflounder wrote:

These are just Occupiers

Feb 06, 2012 8:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WGBarker wrote:

Sounds like Obama’s FBI is creating a new right wing “straw dog” conspiracy with a new titled group of “soverign citizens” so the government will have an excuse to demonize and police traditional American citizens. Hopefully the Obama socialist era will be ended in November.

Feb 06, 2012 8:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
FidelServilla wrote:

“Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, ”

So in a country ot 320 million 20 (TWENTY) people got convicted of this “crime”. Oh my God! It’s bedlam!

I wonder if the fed LEO’s know how silly they sound. They will find a reason (real or imaginary) to clamp down. Get prepared.

Feb 06, 2012 8:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
illson wrote:

haha conspiracy theorists! “and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.”
US cant go bankrupt…we print money everyday haha

Feb 06, 2012 8:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Parker1227 wrote:

Anyone who opposes the ever larger encroachment of government into our lives is an extremist. Or so this headline implies.

But somehow it is not “extreme” for leftists to turn 1/5 of our economy onto its head through an unprecedented federal government takeover of the entire healthcare industry.

We must accept ever higher taxes and more and more government regulation and intrusion – or we will be smeared and threatened by the Obama administration and its FBI, ATF and Homeland Security hacks (with the help of leftist enablers like Reuters).

Only an evil, right-wing extremist would suggest there should be a reasonable limit to the power and scope of government.

Right Reuters?

Feb 06, 2012 8:08pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cc1133 wrote:

So are they referring to “anti-government extremists” or just regular members of Congress?

Feb 06, 2012 8:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WilliamPenn wrote:

An “anti-goverment extremist” is anyone who opposes Comrade Obama’s dictatorial rule.

Feb 06, 2012 8:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dave-0 wrote:

These “anti-government extremists” sound an awful lot like the TEA party to me. If you can’t beat them at the polling place, make them illegal. It’s the Democrat way..

Feb 06, 2012 8:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Coastie wrote:

The threat to the US is the 35 or more islamist training camps that are spread across the U.S.; yes, that’s correct the U.S. Christians have exposed this threat and even attempted to get allowed onto the islamists property, but were beaten up and had to struggle to keep control of their camera. Do an internet search for terrorist training camps in the U.S. and you’ll find the info.

Feb 06, 2012 8:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse

In other words just about everyone is an extremist.

Feb 06, 2012 8:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
werbaz wrote:

Ah! So NOW if one disagrees with the course of government, those are deemed an offical Threat.

That is how revolution begins, my non-elected bureaucrats.

Feb 06, 2012 8:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jeff.cooper wrote:

This article is the biggest load of crap I have read today. Thanks, Reuters, for violating reason.

Feb 06, 2012 8:12pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TonyNoBaloney wrote:

Wow! From 10 convictions to 18 convictions in 2010 and 2011!! This is an epidemic! Meanwhile Jon Corzine, John Paulson, Ben Bernanke, and many other fraudsters go free. How about Wells Fargo financing Mexican Drug Cartels? No one went to jail for that.

Feb 06, 2012 8:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SunnyJ wrote:

It’s no accident that they are putting this out now, as the conservative cause is catching fire and the Obama administration is showing it’s true colors against our freedoms. This is the justification message they are planting now, so we’ve become accustom to the idea of taking these people out…when the government moves on them it will, oh well. Notice how the real violence is with the OWS and they’ve been met with all kinds of allowances by the Obama administration and local police unions. It’s dirty, very dirty. God Bless Brian Terry.

Feb 06, 2012 8:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jsmo5 wrote:

Oh no, the “extremists” are against taxes and regulations, we better call the military!

Feb 06, 2012 8:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rattner219 wrote:

I had a customer in mid 2002, a german immigrant age 85, who picked up and went back home. Her reason? Because she said she had seen all this happen before and she didn’t want to be around for it this time. Then I really didn’t understand what she was on about …. now I think I get it. This is nothing to be proud of Reuters. Patrick Temple-West is crying FIRE in a very crowded theatre, which is irresponsible in the extreme.

Feb 06, 2012 8:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daedilus wrote:

Any time you read the word ‘extremist’, just substitute “anyone who disagrees with the government on any level of any aspect”…

That’s what they really mean.

Feb 06, 2012 8:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lawlessInUSA wrote:

The Constitution is the law…why should we fear that or be intimidated by it? Our current Government on the other hand thinks they are the law. What a joke. Get out your Constitution and read it. That’s where the “sovereigns” are at. Call it extreme, call it intolerable, but they are the ones who live inside the law and demand you do so as well. Get over yourselves already.

Feb 06, 2012 8:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jsmo5 wrote:

Extremists against taxes and regulations? Is the DoD going after corporations now?

Feb 06, 2012 8:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fritolay wrote:

18 crimes from ‘sovereign citizens’ & the government response is

“We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters,”

Sounds like local law enforcement is begging for more wasteful spending.

Feb 06, 2012 8:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse

This warning should be sent The President and Congress instead. Also, why not just say it – this has to do with Ron Paul supporters.

Feb 06, 2012 8:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Skitz00 wrote:

“The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.”

Let’s not forget all the NON-extremists who believe the same things :/

“Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday.”

Really? Being opposed to taxes and regulations is actually that dangerous? Who would have known!

The USSR, North Korea, Cuba, and other such countries also had the same “fears”. Myself, I would still put young Islamic extremists far ahead of “sovereign citizens” on my list of things to fear.

BTW, what the hell is a “sovereign citizen”? I read the news every day and this is the first time I have ever heard the phrase :/

Feb 06, 2012 8:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lamarcarnes wrote:

Our current governmental administration in the White House has reacted in a wrong manner to many people in the U.S.! Multitudes – millions for sure, are not anti-government extremists at all, but rather, consider the current administration of our government out of control and disobeying the Constitution of the U.S. and the Bill of Rights. Those who may be accused of extremism, if they are being considered as such would be, Conservative, Tea-Party members and Libertarians as an example. None of those type of people would suggest for one moment in breaking and doing any illegal act against the Constitution and Bill of Rights. However, if the administration of our Government gets out of control by disobeying the law of this nation, or stands against our lawful Constitutional rights we will express our displeasure and also not conform to any such “edict” which contradicts or opposes or goes against those documents which our citizenship rights are consider to be under!! So, let it be known to the public press and others who write on these issues it is a FALSE charge to include normal citizens as being some type of extremist. We consider extremism taking place currently in many of our judicial branches of Government, and the White House specifically in many edicts and positions it takes. The Supreme Court would certainly stand behind our case in any should ever be arriving at their hall of justice! We stand for freedom as expressed in our Bill of Rights along with basic “human rights” which all humans should have concering free speech, expression of thoughts and ideas and also the freedom of the press!

Feb 06, 2012 8:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@TomGenin — They’re warning the part of “themselves” that hasn’t been paying attention (i.e., most gov’t employees), who their real enemies are, and where the threat to their expansive power really comes from (i.e., from “everybody else”). That’s where the most significant “class divide” in this country really comes from — not from the 1% vs the 99%, but from the 11% (gov’t drones) vs the 89% (everybody else).

Feb 06, 2012 8:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Parker1227 wrote:

“Extremist” is the stoking of class and race resentment and warfare – which is the modus operandi of Obama and the left.

“Extremist” is AG Holder lying about what he knew and when he knew it regarding Fast and Furious (and accusing congressmen who asked him questions of being racist).

“Extremist” is Obama attending a neo-Marxist, Black Power church for 20 years (and then denying that he witnessed his mad hatter reverend saying anything unusual).

Feb 06, 2012 8:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Republicae wrote:

With the passage of the NDAA, the purposal of The Emergency Expatriation Act, as well as other legislative innovations it appears that this government, which can readily be considered illegitimate, is crafting their own American version of The Enabling Act.

They are moving full force to blurr the line between civil and military powers, creating, in its wake a Police State that rivals anything we have seen in history. Soon, the People will have to make a decision to either be compliant collaborators with this government or to be Patriotic Citizens prepared to defend the Constitution and the country from all enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC!

Feb 06, 2012 8:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ralpho wrote:

FBI you can add a bunch of tea party folks to your 100,000 tally after the elections.

Feb 06, 2012 8:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ralpho wrote:

Parker1227 wrote:
Anyone who opposes the ever larger encroachment of government into our lives is an extremist. Or so this headline implies.

But somehow it is not “extreme” for leftists to turn 1/5 of our economy onto its head through an unprecedented federal government takeover of the entire healthcare industry.

We must accept ever higher taxes and more and more government regulation and intrusion – or we will be smeared and threatened by the Obama administration and its FBI, ATF and Homeland Security hacks (with the help of leftist enablers like Reuters).

Only an evil, right-wing extremist would suggest there should be a reasonable limit to the power and scope of government.

Right Reuters?

My evil gobment made mes have health care the worlds ending.

Feb 06, 2012 9:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BobK3436 wrote:

Like the extremist grour “OCCUPY” and how long will the Government put up with this extreme group and their disruptive actions??? I know that Obama said he understands why theyre doing what theyre doing but that doesnt make it right. I guess thats because they are a left wing group.

Feb 06, 2012 9:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
StPete wrote:

Make no mistake, those who created BHO have no intention of letting a free and fair election destroy their long laid plans…This WH will orchestrate violence any way it deems suitable to get the final result of martial law that is palatable to the masses…Any who think the blood of innocents will deter this buch is delusional…Look fro a blanket amnesty by mid-summer which will cause all-out anarchy on our streets as longtime dems finally realize they have been screwed by their own…

Feb 06, 2012 9:09pm EST  --  Report as abuse
KingStop wrote:

Well, the government IS evil, so how are these people “terrorist”? Oh yeah, they don’t tow the line, my bads.

Feb 06, 2012 9:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Xintexandi wrote:

What a joke. There is more crime against Americans from inner-city gangs in one day compared to that of so called ‘sovereign citizens’ in one year.

If this is the best the DHS can do to warn us from preadtor actions we are for sure a sorry lot.

Feb 06, 2012 9:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
downwithboth wrote:

really, it’s not conspiracy theory etc. this is weird, this is not america. I just hope that if it got that bad we would stick together as citizens and not rat people out like the german wussies in the 1930′s & 40′s. the ‘greatest generation’ spawned, in my opinion (sorry mom & dad) the worst generation of politicians.

Feb 06, 2012 9:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Zebu wrote:

Once again, another election year and here we go again… up to 18 two years in a row!!! OH NOES!!

Lord I hate politics.

Feb 06, 2012 9:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
thebruce wrote:

occupy???LOL

they don’t know how to get a job – why on earth would you think they know how to use their own fists or even a gun to fight “authority”??

the only occupy movement that I know of that got violent was the one in oakland after that kid was killed by police by taking a tear gas canister to the head.

sorry to say it but this sounds like it could much more easily be the tea party splintering.

Feb 06, 2012 9:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
thebruce wrote:

do people think that the FBI just up and switches parties just because a new president has been elected?

do you think the fbi is like a bee hive or the borg or something?

they are people just like you and me, and they just do their job protecting the country.

Feb 06, 2012 9:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mogar wrote:

The only differences between the mafia and the government is the government has much better taste in guns and suits. In the mafia’s defense at least they left the women and children alone.

Feb 06, 2012 9:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
screentest wrote:

Gosh! Don’t you get tired of putting out these “scare the people” missives??? I do know that I get really tired of reading them!

Feb 06, 2012 9:21pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Vesparado wrote:

Why is the FBI involved in this?

Feb 06, 2012 9:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
randall22000 wrote:

Remember Obozo’s promise of a “National Civilian Security Force More Powerful Than the U.S. Military” in the 08′ campaign?? The leftist, compliant news media ignored it because they support it until they get shut down. Is this Obusto’s brown shirts, or Mussolini’s Black Shirts? What are all of the laid off military members going to go to work when they are brought home? Will they have a choice but to work for Obama’s thugocracy? Despots like the puppet Obama always fall on their face eventually, but the damage done in between takes generations to repair.

Feb 06, 2012 9:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
zanzara2041 wrote:

Does the FBI really want us to believe they are that ignorant, uneducated and uninformed? If so, why should we be paying their wages if they aren’t intelligent, educated and thoughtful enough to deserve it?

Feb 06, 2012 9:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Midas wrote:

From where I’m standing, it looks more like citizens being worried about attacks from pro-government extremists.

Feb 06, 2012 9:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PhilRdg wrote:

And that, my friends, is why the TSA goes after American citizens… they expect worse from us than they do from foreign threats. Tehy’re ramping up for what they perceive as a coming revolution, and it’s because of something that they’re planning to do that they know will piss people off to no end….

Feb 06, 2012 9:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
strent wrote:

Just wondering if the Obama radical Marxist, class warfare, fundamental transformation of the United States with the help and full support of today`s Che Guvera Democratic Party would be considered “extremist”?

Feb 06, 2012 9:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Midas wrote:

“Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.

“We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters,” said Casey Carty, an FBI supervisory special agent.”

Ok, wait wait… “inundated with requests for training”… to meet this incredible surge of “extremism” that has yielded an unbelievable increase in the number of arrests – a whopping EIGHTEEN per year? Seriously? This is what is getting the FBI in a twist? I’m wondering – statisticaly speaking – what other crime category is out there that is worthy of arresting people that has FEWER arrests annually than this. Good grief. Yes, it’s serious when violence is encountered and people are killed – but come on. More people, including law enforcement folks, are killed in pursuit of other types of crime that are far more worthy of concern than this.

18 arrests. “Inundated” Give us a break.

Feb 06, 2012 9:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RonPaulSucks wrote:

Anti-government extremists are the result of an incompetent government. All one has to do is look at what our government has been doing for the past few years.

There should be no doubt in anyone’s mind why we have people who are anti-government.

Feb 06, 2012 9:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Midas wrote:

Wow, 38 comments as of this writing. And anti-government extremists, every one of them, undoubtedly, right? And that’s 2x more than were arrested all of last year that meet this hysterical category.

Feb 06, 2012 9:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bmj121 wrote:

Oh god, not 18 whole convictions per year! Whatever will the poor little FBI do?! They’re being overrun by people who want to be left the hell alone? Geez, here’s a novel idea, leave them alone.

Feb 06, 2012 9:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SamAdams1776 wrote:

The author of this article needs to research the difference between subjects and citizens.

They also need to research what the definition of a Republic is. The government is not an authority, it is a servant to we the people.

The highest power in our republic is the citizen, followed by the state government and lastly the federal government with the exception of the powers granted to them in the Constitution.

That is the contract between the citizens and their servant government.

I suggest you read The Debates on the Constitution because you literally have no clue.

Feb 06, 2012 9:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
anonvol wrote:

“have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.”

glad to see they are focusing on the important, high volume segments of the criminal class. all of the other murderers, thieves, rapists, etc must be locked up by now.

what a joke this country has become.

Feb 06, 2012 9:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TruthInMotion wrote:

It’s a double standard for the government to isolate the very people who are waking up to the fact that we are “sovereign” (otherwise, how could have we the people organized and breathed life into the government in the first place?) and calling them the extremists with negative labels. It’s an oxymoron as the government could have never existed in the first place if it weren’t for the fact that “we the people” ARE indeed the sovereigns, not the government. We the people are the parents, the government the child, not the other way around. Any attempt to assert this belief in practice will get you labeled an extremist and probably a terrorist. It’s a classic case of a bratty child running wild making crazy accusations and defying the parental authority of that which created it.

Feb 06, 2012 9:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
phillyfanatic wrote:

The Bama Admin. is the real threat to domestic security. Time for a Pub Prez and Congress to appoint new FBI people and surely DIA, CIA, NSA, humintel people for foreign security. To have these policy wonks, libs all, in the FBI digress from the real threats of Islamofascist terrorists and or Mexican and Latin American cartels as the real threats is just shameless. Dems, libs, love to take it out on religious people with gun racks and then tell us ‘just millions of WACO’s are about to happen.’ Look, there are nutty gunsters in America but fearing them over the above terrorists is insane. Only liberal Dems could believe such rot. They are great at blasting religious groups, conservs, gun owners but wussies concerning imans,mosques or Latin thugs bringing in guns, drugs and terrorists. Shameful and shameless.

Feb 06, 2012 9:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Robertw3 wrote:

So if you don’t like to pay taxes your a violent extremist, but when the government drone strikes a wedding in Afghanistan killing 75 women and 23 children, its good and loooovvving. The govt loves you and all of humanity. Ooooh there sooooo goooood. Oh please keep us safe from the extremists!!! Governments throughout history have always been loving and good ya know.

Feb 06, 2012 9:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Intel wrote:

Nice to know some of the overcompensated and far-too-numerous 22+ million government employees are focused on an admittedly miniscule problem resulting in a mere 10 to 18 convictions/year. A solitary anti-American, anti-caucasian, anti-police minority Democrat among millions of such criminals causes more crime, and usually violent crime, than that each year according to DOJ and FBI statistics.

Feb 06, 2012 9:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dave-0 wrote:

For those old enough to remember _Seven Days in May_ , the end of our republic happens not with a military coup, but with executive action.

Feb 06, 2012 9:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ZackAttack wrote:

FBI warns who? The people? Oh you mean the people who they just called anti-government extremists? Aka, the people of this country who are fed up with the crap? I see how it is, I can see why the people are angry. I’m angry too… The government needs to fix the problems it has caused and apologize to the American people. Not look down on us and silence our voices. This needs to change.

Feb 06, 2012 9:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MP45auto wrote:

They probably didn’t know the secret “sovereign citizens” hand shake..thus that huge force that is so hard for the FBI!!! to thwart…good god thank god I don’t rely on these idiots to protect me and mines….

Feb 06, 2012 9:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Mckarnin wrote:

So opposing taxes makes you an anti-government extremist? I think per the latest Gallup polls around 50% of Americans think taxes are too high and would probably admit to “opposing” certain taxes and tax increases.

Feb 06, 2012 9:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kinnison wrote:

Could we please focus here? Sovereign citizen crimes totaled 18 in 2011. Whoopee. Chicago, D.C. and East St. Louis rack up more bodies than that on a average weekend. O.K., granted the sovereign citizens are slightly out of plumb, but it seems a bit extreme for the FBI and local police agencies to have a hissy fit and commit massive resources that could be better used in other, more critical, areas of law enforcement to training cops and tracking them down. What were they initially stopped for, driving with out legal tags or drivers’licenses?

Feb 06, 2012 9:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ECHock wrote:

As usual, defining terms in needed. The term “extremist” is easily tossed about and applied widely when a government continues to slide downward in its standards and encroach upon a citizen’s freedoms. Take for instance the recent tighter stance on birth control by the Department of Health and Human Resources. This is a direct challenge to the Catholic church and its domain of faith for its oen people. Are they now to be labeled “extremists” for combating this recent policy, standing against it as they always have done so throughout our nation’s history when our government had the good sense not to worry about such things? Who becomes an extremist is a slippery slope. What about Islamic voices that wish to insert Sharia law to exist along side our Constitution and Bill of Rights? Are they not extremist? Or are they instead religion pluralists that can easily be accomodated by an authoritarian state trying to relativize and undercut the church? Even in a democracy, a government is not a neutral entity. It is kept in check by freedoms and responsibilites that citizens must enforce.

Feb 06, 2012 9:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
yankeeman wrote:

No mention of the anarchist groups like “occupy Wall St.”, Acorn, Black Panthers ACLU,union thugs, or extreme left wing liberals

Feb 06, 2012 9:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse

This government will not be happy until 1984. Read it, watch it, listen to it. “If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.”

Feb 06, 2012 9:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Crazy_Redneck wrote:

*Sniff*…*Sniff*…why do I smell Mark Potok in this story?

Holy crap! Up to 18 incidents from 10?!?!?! A menace to society. There were 18 shark attacks in Volusia County in 2002…does that make sharks sovereign citizens, too? I wonder how many of the victims were government employees…

Wait a minute…they don’t like the IRS or law enforcement? I don’t like them either…hey, wait a minute!

Feb 06, 2012 9:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SCMark wrote:

If it weren’t for pro-government extremists, there wouldn’t have to be any anti-government extremists.

Feb 06, 2012 9:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bitterweed wrote:

Looks like the government is looking for an excuse to take out anyone who dares to question them..A handful of people and they have their panties in a wad.

We have SWAT teams and ATF agents who act way outside the bounds..they finally get their childhood dream..of playing cops and robbers without having a lick of common sense..

Feb 06, 2012 10:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RosAnders wrote:

The real “extremists” are the government in Washington, DC

Feb 06, 2012 10:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse

If anyone out there doesn’t believe we live in a tyrannical country, the fact that dissent is now deemed “terrorism” should be your wakeup call.

Feb 06, 2012 10:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tatterdemons wrote:

Alright Feddies! Fear those who understand the law more thoroughly than you do! I know those who have taken the time and effort to study law, have become sovereigns and harbor no hostility whatsoever. It is somewhat amusing to be around when they get pulled over. They crack open their tomes of law, produce some paperwork for the officer to fill out before they will answer any questions. The police get confused, call for backup, and generally go away once they realize how out of their league they are.

Feb 06, 2012 10:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
willum wrote:

Well we don’t need the FBI, and we sure don’t need to give up our sovereignty as US citizens. Federal agents are a bunch of brain washed thugs.

Feb 06, 2012 10:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
annieoftx wrote:

You need look no further than the Occupy Wall Street groups to find 100′s of them at a time.

Feb 06, 2012 10:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GigiSanDiego wrote:

Hahahahaha, hysterical. Now if you are against the IRS ….. wait for it….a dangerous extremists. I guess that makes 99% of the population potential extremists. Our government is robbing us blind and they want to criminalize us? What the H! Who believes this crap? I salute all you sovereign citizens out there! May your numbers grow and swell! If you want to attack an IRS building — believe NO ONE will shed a tear for those vipers and thieves who are raping us and then arresting us.

Feb 06, 2012 10:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Rob56 wrote:

This is how the Gov. keeps americans ignorant. Over 40 Supreme Court decisions say the income tax is illegal unless applied per the rule of apportionment as the U.S. Constitution requires of all (excise) taxes!
Here is one of the 40+ decisions the FBI & Gov doesn’t want to be known!
“Jack Cole Co. v. MacFarland,337 S. W. 2d 453,455-56(Tenn.1960)” Realizing and receiving income or earnings is not a privilege that can be taxed. Since the this right belongs to every person, this right cannot be taxed as a privilege.”

Feb 06, 2012 10:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RobTheKnob wrote:

Does the FBI have a tally of WHAT they consider “sovereign citizens”?

As defined by Merriam-Webster –
sov·er·eign/ [säv(ə)rən]
Noun: one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty;

Feb 06, 2012 10:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TeeDubya wrote:

As a member of the gun-nut, small government, tin foil hat wearers I call B.S. on this article. I have no qualms with any of the rank and file of the Federal Government, especially the FBI whom I hold in the highest regards. Smoke and mirrors from the upper echelon of the justice department. That’s my theory. Purely political, blame the right-wingnuts. In other news the sky is blue.

Feb 06, 2012 10:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Hm. So the FBI can’t determine “how many sovereign citizens there are” in the USA? What’s the current population of the USA? We’re ALL sovereign citizens in a sovereign country. No, we’re NOT members of a “global village”… No, we don’t NEED a Global Union… and, no, we don’t need a government nanny-state full of snitches and backstabbing politicians and a Nazi FBI agency profiling our patriotism and then calling it “extremism”… Get OUT of our lives.

Feb 06, 2012 10:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Theospeak1 wrote:

Yeah. In other news we’re trying to peacefully negotiate with the Syrian Dictator who is massacreing thousands of his own citizens, and the Occupy Protesters who have vowed to burn down the system and who pelt cops with rocks and bio-waste are no threat at all!

Feb 06, 2012 10:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jeffjr02 wrote:

Well, now all 72 of you posters are considered sovereign citizens. They’re surely monitoring these sites posting this stuff. Good job!

Feb 06, 2012 10:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
7734yeah wrote:

Here we go – this is what Homeland Security was all about in the first place. Every time you see something in the news about “homegrown terrorists”, there is certain to be a government agency egging them on to try to frame them and build up the police state – you don’t have anything to fear from freedom – but there are some who do – and they like to demonize it for some odd reason -

Feb 06, 2012 10:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

..and for my comment being censored second-amendment.tripodDOTcom/d2a (lead comment)

I posted it here, its been deleted.

this is happening on any of my coments in re the bfi

Feb 06, 2012 10:59pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SOS4USA wrote:

Nonsense, utter nonsense. There is no real threat from a few stubborn people, 18 arrested per year? Cmon,now. This is the kind of article that the press did to lay blame on the tiny groups of militiamen in the US also. False flag terror attack ahead – drop 2nd amendmend now, blame game coming to a sovereign citizen near you…

Feb 06, 2012 11:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
harleyrider wrote:

actually it sounds like the government is in fear of open rebellion from its citizens!

Feb 06, 2012 11:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CaptPhil wrote:

It is not sound judgement to take out ones feeling about government intervention in our private lives on LEO’s. They are as much victims as the rest of us. The most effective weapon we have is the ballot box. Its effects are longer lasting and very effective.

Feb 06, 2012 11:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kmeis wrote:

Really? a whole 18 convictions last year? this is actually something we should worry about? Clearly more fear mongering, probably opening up the discussion for a further crackdown on freedoms. Create and hype a threat, solve it with more restrictions and policing. Classic Fed Government. It really sounds like they described Ron Paul’s followers and platform and then pointed to a few bad seeds to try and make people in that camp look like they are fringe nuts.

Feb 06, 2012 11:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
baldowl wrote:

I guess I’m an extremist, then.

Feb 06, 2012 11:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Paulii wrote:

Seems the leftist lunatic extremists have taken over Reuters.

10-18 incidents a year in a nation of 300 million+ and you write a story like there is some kind of epidemic?

Just watch – about 90 days before the Presidential election, there will be more of these kinds of stories, with government overstepping, pushing people over the edge of reason, instigating violent confrontation. From there they will label this “ultra-right extremism”.

I am afraid for sure, of our government and the extremists that will do anything to remain in power.

Feb 06, 2012 11:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Bruce333 wrote:

Americans Death Toll by Obama and Holder “Fast and Furious” One so far

“Right Wing Extremists” = Zero

Jail Obama and Holder NOW

Feb 06, 2012 11:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MikeStanart wrote:

Under this thinking, Our Founding Fathers would be on the “FBI Most Wanted List”

Absurd.

Feb 06, 2012 11:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse
WarTip wrote:

Would these be the very same law enforcement agents who were deemed a threat in that now infamous DHS report? The same law enforcement agents, many of whom are also veterans that were also listed as potential terrorists and threats on that same DHS report yet again?

Feb 06, 2012 11:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Commenter116 wrote:

Haven’t we been through this before with Ruby Ridge and The Branch Dividians? What was the result? Timothy McVeigh.

You have to wonder if the government isn’t deliberately provoking these people. And with the current administration, they likely want to take the focus off the Occupy Wall Street farce and show who ‘the real enemies’ are.

Feb 06, 2012 11:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hallkbrdz wrote:

So – basically anyone like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and John Adams. You know the people who thought that should the government abuse the rights of the governed, it was the natural responsibility of the people to rise up and overthrow their leaders.

Note to the FBI – this happened once before, and that stubborn thing about history – it repeats.

Feb 06, 2012 11:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse

@thebruce: “the FBI . . . are people just like you and me, and they just do their job protecting the country.”

“Protecting the country” morphs so readily, and so seamlessly, into “protecting the regime”, that most people won’t be able to identify the transition, even after it has already happened.

Feb 06, 2012 11:33pm EST  --  Report as abuse
RwayneJR wrote:

What about the “pro-government” extremists? They’re everywhere and extremely violent. You can find them in every town in America, usually wearing a blue or black uniform with a shiny metal badge on the left side of their chests. They are frequently seen electrocuting people with tazers and/or bludgeoning them with batons. Every day these extremists kidnap innocent people and throw them in cages for non-crimes where no one else is harmed or endangered in anyway. To top it all off, the victims of this gang are forced to give a portion of their paychecks to these violent criminals every time they get paid (if they’re even getting paid anymore since the government wrecked the economy).

All sarcasm aside, it’s very interesting that those who oppose government’s theft and violence are considered “extremists” and “possible terrorists” but those who commit theft violence on behalf of the government, just because of the costume they wear to work, are considered “heroes”.

“Heroes” are as “heroes” do.

Feb 06, 2012 11:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Epublicus wrote:

Anti government extremists? dissidents? Rabble? I have some names that perhaps I should pass on to the FBI… John Hancock, John Adams, Samuel Adams, Benjamen Franklin, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Robert Treat Paine, and many others… yeah, watch out for those anti-government types, no telling what might happen…

Feb 06, 2012 11:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Christopher33 wrote:

US citizens warn of anti-Constitutional Government.

Feb 06, 2012 11:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
holy-shyt wrote:

I guess the FBI now uses SPLC as it’s sole intelligence agency, huh?

Guess I’ll shred a dollar bill and pay my taxes in installments, so I won’t be an anti-government extremist.

Feb 06, 2012 11:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
oddjob007 wrote:

Long ago, many of those accused of these same “extremist” views were hunted as criminals. Sharing the very same beliefs we do today, branded as hostile to the “government”, we now refer to them as our Founding Fathers.

Be careful that you are not placing too much credence on the authority of government, as it can be, and has been the source of tyranny. The only authority the government has comes solely from the Constitution. If the government is unconstitutional in it’s exercise of that authority, then it becomes the illegal entity.

Revolutions have been fought in the past over matters far more trivial than those we face today. Overbearing regulations prying into every corner of our lives. Excessive taxation, and the utter waste of those precious resources. This cannot continue much longer without consequences.

Governments that wish to continue governing need to offer something of a future to those who empower them. Splitting the populace into two factions, setting one against another is only going to hasten the conflict.

Feb 06, 2012 11:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Christopher33 wrote:

Appologies, I miss spoke. “Unconstitutional” government is more accurate. After all, if they refuse to observe the document from which their power is derived, they are no longer relevant.

Feb 06, 2012 11:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Archimedes wrote:

I think its time to read Shirer’s “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” for a taste of what is to come.

Feb 06, 2012 11:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
CarlPaul wrote:

I really thought this was a joke when I first read it. Does anybody remember that group of extremists from the 1770′s that didn’t like the government, taxes or regulations? Too bad following in their footsteps is something we no longer feel nostalgic about.

Feb 06, 2012 11:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Crazy_Redneck wrote:

@Rob56 – “Over 40 Supreme Court decisions say the income tax is illegal unless applied per the rule of apportionment as the U.S. Constitution requires of all (excise) taxes!”

Don’t want to get nitpicky, but apportionment is not a requirement of an excise tax. An excise tax is a “usage” tax, such as gasoline, tax you pay for driver’s license/vehicle registration, tax you pay for hunting/fishing license, sales tax, cigarette tax, liquor tax, etc.

Apportionment in the constitution applies to DIRECT taxes only, apportionment meaning that all must pay the same tax across the board.

The 16th Amendment says “…collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, WITHOUT APPORTIONMENT among the several States…”. Without apportionment is a legal modification of the direct taxation authority within the constitution. Now, there are two disputes: 1) being that the 16th Amendment was not properly ratified by 3/4 of the states and 2) what is the legal definition of “income”. It has been ruled that income comes from gains on investment:

“Edwards (vs) Keith, 231 F110, 113 (1916):

“The phraseology of form 1040 is somewhat obscure …. But it matters little what it does mean; the statute and the statute alone determines what is income to be taxed. It taxes only income “derived” from many different sources; one does not “derive income” by rendering services and charging for them… IRS cannot enlarge the scope of the statute.” ”

Wages are not income. They are an even exchange for your labor, which is your private property. Unfortunately, the IRS is like a mafia outfit and runs an extortion racket. Fail to pay and they’ll take out your knee caps. Actually, the IRS is worse; there’s nobody that can police their activities.

Feb 06, 2012 11:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
holy-shyt wrote:

“The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” – T. Jefferson

I hope none of ya puke at the sight of blood!

Feb 06, 2012 11:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
susie123123 wrote:

What about OWS???????????
They are the only ones getting arrested and causing riots and disruptions!
Bunch of liars…

Feb 06, 2012 11:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Skruples wrote:

The article was poorly written, but the underlying point is the FBI is warning law enforcement agencies about random violence from a very select few unhinged gun toting individuals that reside in the much larger ‘sovereign’ group. It’s like the FBI saying that Islamic terrorists are a threat and that they reside in the Muslim community. It’s true, and they are a threat, but that’s not to say the FBI is going to kick down the doors of all 3+ million Muslim Americans.

It’s not necessarily because of the scope of the problem that the FBI is saying something, but because the problem is new and law enforcement agencies have no protocol for identifying situations in which the routine traffic stop might turn into a double cop homicide. That’s what the article is about. The 70+ ranting comments about Obama personally writing FBI press releases and working to realize his secret 100% tax rate dystopian mega-government are really more of an indication that the commenters shouldn’t read the news than an indication of the reality behind the article.

No-one likes taxes; it just so happens that they’re kind of necessary if you don’t want to live in a country like Somalia, which happens to boast a very lean, small government. If you don’t enjoy being subject to the psychopathic and frequently homicidal whims of your HIV ridden warlord neighbors, however, you might just think taxes are the better way to go.

Feb 07, 2012 12:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
aaroncarmody wrote:

sign me up. Stupid federal government has go tot go!

Feb 07, 2012 12:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
David_SD wrote:

That’s right. If you think America is bankrupt, you must be ready to turn violent “at the drop of a hat”, to quote the FBI Deputy Assistant Director. And if you think there is “too much regulation”, that is just a “code word” for “home-grown terrorists”. And if you think the Partiot Act, or the National Defense Authorization Act (indefinite detention of U.S. citizens without trial) is unconstitutional, then you are a clear and present danger, and must be eliminated by Homeland Security. Bush = Obama = Romney. I’m voting for Ron Paul, in case you haven’t figured that out already.

Feb 07, 2012 12:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
RachelMadcow wrote:

TEA partiers must be next on the list of radical extremists.

Feb 07, 2012 12:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveyJones wrote:

A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. — Joseph Stalin

Feb 07, 2012 12:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
domowames wrote:

wow. are they talking about congress and the senate members in this article??

Feb 07, 2012 12:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
borisjimbo wrote:

Sounds like a lot of armed crazies out there. Better get ready for another bombing like in Oklahoma City. KRT, TomGenin, bakedflounder, you all seem to be members or at least sympathizers; I sure hope the ATF and FBI are watching your ammonium nitrate purchases.

Feb 07, 2012 12:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
facebook4me wrote:

ever since the US government has chosen to circumvent its Constitution, it has become irrelevant, harmful and dangerous, and will be overthrown. give me liberty or give me death.

Feb 07, 2012 12:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
domowames wrote:

in the police state we are living in nowadays in this country the must think all of the us citizens are bad people. maybe they should look in the mirror on who are the extrimists. tsa checkpoints, we have lost many rights in this country and people are supposed to just smile and ignore it ? seriously? maybe take away some of the police state and restore the constitution and people will not feel so much hatred towards government. after all there is a 90 percent disapproval rating of government , fix government and take away the police state and stop treating us all like we are the terrorists.

Feb 07, 2012 12:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
domowames wrote:

in the police state we are living in nowadays in this country the must think all of the us citizens are bad people. maybe they should look in the mirror on who are the extrimists. tsa checkpoints, we have lost many rights in this country and people are supposed to just smile and ignore it ? seriously? maybe take away some of the police state and restore the constitution and people will not feel so much hatred towards government. after all there is a 90 percent disapproval rating of government , fix government and take away the police state and stop treating us all like we are the terrorists.

Feb 07, 2012 12:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
Epublicus wrote:

What would happen if we all just retracted our “consent to be governed”? Oh, wait, that’s been done… last time here was 1776… ’bout due then? ya think?

Feb 07, 2012 12:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
haaggus wrote:

The sovereign citizens have my full support. The IRS is completely out of control, stealing money from the private economy to fund the massive waste and fraud of the Federal government. I think it is immoral to pay taxes if one disagrees with 99% of what the Federal government does. We need to take a stand! The TSA should be the first to go. We need to cut government spending in half in order to restore the private economy.

Feb 07, 2012 12:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
mselle wrote:

Having just read the comments regarding Obama’s attack on the Catholic church and religion, this headline made me wonder if it is just a coincidence or are they “setting us up?”

Feb 07, 2012 12:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
joycefricken wrote:

“Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.”
“…an analyst covering the sovereign movement, has estimated that it has about 100,000 members.”

So, is this article trying to mock or shock?
Either way, it gave me a quick little chuckle.

Feb 07, 2012 12:25am EST  --  Report as abuse
GwenStevens wrote:

When the FBI finds a moment perhaps they could investigate the too big to fail banks that committed criminal financial fraud and interstate wire fraud through the use of the Mortgage Electronic Registry System (MERS) and robo signing and other certified document forgery.

Or they could go after those last 18 sovereign citizens. Follow the money. The Department of Justice is in bed with the banks. Holder worked for them and now he refuses to investigate them. Guess most of the crooks are really still,in the government.

Feb 07, 2012 12:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
bryan305 wrote:

Here we go. Now we, who want to lower taxes, are “extremists” or “terrorists”. NDAA will be used soon.

Feb 07, 2012 12:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveyJones wrote:

Yeah, we are watching you guys too…

Feb 07, 2012 12:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
John.Maynard wrote:

Extremists “believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard? So, accepting reality makes you an “extremist”? What do you call a unilateral violation of both US and international law, other than a default? And, who defaults on payments to creditors other than one who is bankrupt?

Feb 07, 2012 12:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
DaveyJones wrote:

Government big enough to supply everything you need, is big enough to take everything you have. The course of history shows us that as a government grows, liberty decreases.”
-Thomas Jefferson

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
-Thomas Jefferson

“Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
-Thomas Jefferson

Feb 07, 2012 12:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
LCSilva wrote:

This is so out-of-control! What will we do?

Eighteen (18) convictions of the Anti-Government Extremists last year? Shouldn’t Obama be calling out the TSA to set up road blocks and frisk some 6 year old girls?

It’s the end of the world as we know it!

But somehow…I feel fine.

Feb 07, 2012 12:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
bpf53 wrote:

Sounds more like the FBI,Homeland and the Obama administration is creating a “red Herring” to justify the assault on citizen rights that do not follow their lies. Wonder why they are not too concerned over the OWS scum, the Black Panthers and the other real anti-American low lives because they are his hidden army doing his bidding to destroy the Republic.

Feb 07, 2012 1:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
BookofJim wrote:

You’ve got to be kidding me. It’s called the constitution that LIMITS the government. The founding fathers were anti-government extremists.

Feb 07, 2012 1:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
IraqVet wrote:

Oh, oh! You’ve been warned Ameri-Ka, best you run along and turn yourselves as potential enemies of the state…The FB-SS-I has spokane.

Feb 07, 2012 1:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
greatnesslost wrote:

Gee a story of right wing extremists shows up just as OWS starts threatening police. Obviously Reuters is getting its marching orders from the Obama campaign.

Feb 07, 2012 1:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
Hobobob wrote:

This is the biggest crock. Here we have Black Gangs roving all over the country mobbing stores, beating and killing elderly men and women. Black Gangs attacking black gay men caught on video. But the FBI says to watch out for WHITE people who oppose taxes and regulations. Only a fool wouldn’t oppose the outrages taxes we pay and the ridiculous regulations slapped on Small Business owners. This whole country has gone crazy since Obama was elected. What is up is down and down is up. Obama has launched a war against Small Business owners causing record unemployment. Just because people disagree with our government doesn’t mean we want to attack it. Where were these warnings when Liberals were threatening Bush, when they were bad mouthing the Government. It’s only bad if its Conservatives that disagree but its okay if its liberals. I hope the fine Men and Women who work for the FBI exhibit the intelligence to know the difference between those who disagree and those who are threatening. It’s sad but the biggest threat to Americans is now coming from our own government.

Feb 07, 2012 1:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Ratyaztan wrote:

This sounds like propaganda straight out of 1984.

Feb 07, 2012 1:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
exexpat93 wrote:

Quote “do people think that the FBI just up and switches parties just because a new president has been elected?

do you think the fbi is like a bee hive or the borg or something?

they are people just like you and me, and they just do their job protecting the country.”

No, whoever is in power, the FBI is pro Police State. They don’t switch parties, just find new victims.

Feb 07, 2012 1:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
hcartexas wrote:

God Damn right. There are more of us than you think….. and we are willing to trade our life, for our freedom.

Feb 07, 2012 1:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
Lee555 wrote:

So does this mean that Corporations, CEO’s and Political Figures who don’t pay their taxes or their fair share are now being classed as extremists ?

Feb 07, 2012 2:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
sovereignDude wrote:

“sovereign citizen”..heh? Well proud to be one.

Feb 07, 2012 2:06am EST  --  Report as abuse
KCT56 wrote:

This is psychological preparation for the coming of routine mass arrests of US citizens by police and military under recently passed federal legislation that allows US citizens to be held in military detention indefinitely and without charges being filed. DHS has been out in front of this new definition of “domestic terrorist.” Its newly adopted profile of a terrorist is someone who 1) is well-informed; 2) uses the internet regularly; 3) stores more than 7 days supply of food; 4) owns a gun; and 5) invests in gold or gold coins. It appears that our government is doing nothing to protect us from extreme jihadists on American soil. Rather, it is seeking to protect itself from perceived internal threats. We are now slaves of the state. It’s part of Obama’s transformational administration.

Feb 07, 2012 2:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
plyka wrote:

Wow, any guesses on exactly what % of people will fall for the article above? I mean, this is straight Soviet Union News type journalism from Reuters. Such establishment hacks. I think slowly people are awaking from the slumber to realize what a pro-establishment joke most of the media are.

Feb 07, 2012 2:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
redpill wrote:

Something tells me the FBI definition of “extremist” is only going to grow. Notice we don’t even fight terrorists overseas anymore? They are always “insurgents” or “extremists” – vague terms that don’t provide any accurate description, merely a negative connotation. I’m far more worried about the FBI, DHS, TSA, ATF, etc., than people who just want to be left alone.

Feb 07, 2012 2:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
craquehore wrote:

You “sovereign” idiots can sovereignly suck my sock

Feb 07, 2012 2:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
donjusko wrote:

“sovereign citizens,” ?? we are all sovereign citizens last time I looked.

Feb 07, 2012 2:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Summer12 wrote:

If that’s a crime I should be on death row then.

Feb 07, 2012 2:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
DavidJK wrote:

Pretty soon the feds will say the US is no longer a sovereign country.
Those evil people that decry a monolithic federal government should be sent to the re education camps. Oh wait, those are not quite up and running yet.

Feb 07, 2012 2:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
wallace1303 wrote:

Is it “extremist” to believe in the Constitution ??? Is it “Extremist” to understand how the current regime has trampled all over our personal freedoms, property rights and the bill of rights ??? Americans do not share the same utopian fantasy as Obama, Pelosi and Reid. Yes, It is “Halftime in America” and We The People will win the game in November 2012.

Feb 07, 2012 3:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
johnfoster wrote:

The FBI are the extremist nut jobs. Fortunately they are outnumbered by patriotic liberty loving Americans.

Feb 07, 2012 3:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
Gollant wrote:

Apparently we are all now extremists if we don’t toe the new socialist line and if we dare to resist more taxes and regulations. Laughable. Clearly the FBI deserves a serious budget cut.

Feb 07, 2012 3:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
asdasdas wrote:

Oh great extremist libertarians.

Feb 07, 2012 4:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
Qwertyop wrote:

Obviously the real threat is from this marxist white house, the FBI, the DHS, TSA, ATF and other police state extremists that we should be warned about. They know their days are numbered and that’s why the pigs are squealing.

Feb 07, 2012 4:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
dmhdude wrote:

The nation has gone bankrupt by leaving the gold standard. Does the FBI not know how to do math or read statistical charts? The St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank shows it.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?id=AMBNS

Feb 07, 2012 4:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
RachelCarney wrote:

What? 18 questionable crimes in a whole year and they are so freaked out they are practically calling out the National Guard? What about the HUNDREDS of murders taking place at the borders every year and they do NOTHING. Exactly who are they trying to protect….us or themselves! I’m afraid I have to side with these so called “sovereign citizens” which is probably the Obama admin’s new name for Tea Party members.

Feb 07, 2012 5:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
RachelCarney wrote:

Geez…sounds like our government is really afraid of it’s own citizens now! Well they should be, considering decent law-abiding American citizens are sick to death of seeing our government peopled with anti-American Marxists, crooks and TRAITORS.

Feb 07, 2012 5:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
dwn wrote:

To the FBI, I would say this. There will always be criminals out there in need of your interventions to protect the nation. There will always be “extremists”, CREATED as the aftermath of a rogue government waging undeclared war on it’s people. The distinction is important, because you have apparently taken the position that what our government is doing to our country today is perfectly within the legal scope of a constitutional exercise. In fact, it is a coup, it is unconstitutional, and it is deadly to our liberty and our constitution. It makes criminals of all of us, because it is war on us. In that context, who are the “extremists”? The answer is that an infiltration of our government by traitors has occurred under your watch. will you uphold your oath to the constitution and bring these “extremists” to justice, starting with a marxist commander in chief who is actively working against the interests of the country? Or are you just another mouthpiece puppet, who will do nothing while war is conducted against a freedom loving people? I stand by the assertion that the real enemy in this country is currently in power and is taking measures to expand power beyond legality. Hugo Chavez would be proud, and jealous of the the orchestrations of our government. I implore you to investigate and prosecute these traitors in power, and maybe restore some sanity to our country. There are your “extremists”.

Feb 07, 2012 5:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
szore wrote:

AND the scumbags want to take away you’re GUNS! Hmmm…I wonder why?

Feb 07, 2012 5:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

sovereign citizen = constitutionalist

Well then, times just about up it seems. Now those that know and understand the Constitution of the United States of America are to be branded ‘terrorists’. Game over america…game over.

The word democracy is not in the Constitution of the United States once. Shame. Shame. Shame. Stupid effin morons.

Feb 07, 2012 5:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Priests wrote:

You sheep will do nothing about it, these people ARE your masters. You can run the mouth, but that will just get you smiles, talk is just talk. Actually try to do something about this (not violence, just try and claim yourself for your own or God’s, doesn’t work that way, you are the state’s, you will do as they say), then you too, will be the enemy of freedom. The law WILL come down on you, and the sheep will cheer. Too late to wake up, much too late. Have a smoke and a drink, get one of the new jobs flooding the markets. It’ll be ok. Understand?

Feb 07, 2012 5:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
Archon7 wrote:

Oh, boy, here it comes…

…if ever there was a self-fulfilling prophecy, here it is. “Be warned that there are people who are resisting the loss of their freedoms. This will not be tolerated, and will be met with force…”

Feb 07, 2012 5:49am EST  --  Report as abuse
BPISquirrel wrote:

148 comments (so far) and none addressing the murdered police officers.

This is not about marginal tax rates, whether you disagree with some federal legislation or agency, which person is in the White House or your state governor’s office, or which party holds a majority in an elected legislature.

This is about whether an organization encourages its members to commit political violence, including the murder of police officers.

Feb 07, 2012 5:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
estemp wrote:

Ok, ok, I get it… I will not oppose more taxes while the government spends recklessly, more regulatory fees (hidden taxes) and even completely unnecessary government regulations – even if I disagree with them. Like the one that adds to my cell phone bill so some guy who can’t afford a cell phone can get a free cell phone with about 250 minutes free a month.

I don’t want to appear to be an extremist. I don’t really know how YOU define that term but… Please don’t label me evil Mr. Government. Please don’t… I’ll say yes to anything you want to do to me. Here take all my money now… 33% of my income is not enough… here take 50 75 80 percent whatever you need. Here, just don’t label me EXTREME!

Feb 07, 2012 6:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
reddog8 wrote:

so let me get this straight Reuters (and FBI monitors online): we must all willingly agree to go along with the wasteful obviously corrupt syndicate known as the govt. history, for the token few who care to learn from it, tells us overregulation, xs taxation, and fiat currency lead to a stifling and eventual destruction of a country’s economy. but hey, govt knows best right? Freedom of speech, thought and expression, pillars of our CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, are hereby declared null and void. final thought Reuters.. 2 nutcases over 2 yers were associated with assaults on police- any idea how many acts of violence have been committed by crazy religious zealots who warp the alleged ‘peaceful’ teaching of Allah (ie MUSLIMS??) I aint as smart as YOU all are, but I think the number exceeds the two quoted in your wonderful piece of propaganda here. and just becuase you dont mention it, dont mean it didnt happen.

Feb 07, 2012 6:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
MrTJLiberty wrote:

The USA is bankrupt, financially and morally. Both political parties are controlled by a group of elitists who want to keep the American worker enslaved with income taxes and perpetual debt, under the banner of liberalism, which is just a form of socialism. Socialism is when the government owns or controls the means of production. The banks, corporations and billionaires have hijacked socialism, they own the government. That way they can affect the policies that benefit them, but saddle the American worker with debt and taxes.
We have had 100 years of the income tax, but that hasn’t prevented the wealthy from accumulating even more money. That is because the wealthy Establishment insiders run the government, get tax breaks, special loopholes, government subsidies, etc. The average worker is a tax slave in perpetual debt working for the wealthy. The wealthy make so much money, their income taxes are just a price they pay to make even more money by supporting the political Establishment’s system of exploitation. Here is an alternative: free markets, less government, no income taxes like we had 100 years ago. Taxes do not create prosperity. Let businesses compete so there aren’t a few at the top accumulating all the wealth, allow competitors to share in the wealth rather than a few mega-corporations. There are many rich people who support socialism, because it makes THEM richer.

Feb 07, 2012 6:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
mct1 wrote:

This story is stupid-We have more to fear from Obama and the violent parts of the organized unions. Even the Church is now learning that Obama is a liar and can not be expected to keep his word . He will say anything to get his way. Nov 2012 on the way !

Feb 07, 2012 7:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
oneshotonly wrote:

It would appear that they are becoming afraid of us. Thats how it should be. “When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson”. For to long the PEOPLE have been silent, letting the few dictate the many. We need to take back OUR Government, remove all incumbents. “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson”
Nos venire… you have been warned Elected public officals….
The United State Constitution make it very clear that we THE PEOPLE have the right to remove or dissolve our governmnent by force if necesary. That does not make us terrorist, it makes FREE.
To many of you need to be tried and convicted for treason. You have not up held your oath you took when elected to office.
Piss them off daily by emailing them. Heck I do it every day. I am sure on that I am serveral watch lists.
Si vis pacem, para bellum “If you wish for peace prepare for war”
Go anonymous!!!!

Feb 07, 2012 7:07am EST  --  Report as abuse

Those Catholics are the NEW EXTREMIST….

This administration will find some way to SHUT THEM UP…
by labeing them all extremist.

“Never before, unprecedented in American history, for the federal government to line up against the Roman Catholic Church,”

Feb 07, 2012 7:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
vippy wrote:

Wow, Germany 1930 and Americans asked how this could happen in Germany back then. No longer a government for the people but for the corporations and banks and then we get labeled and possibly incarcerated into the well-known FEMA Camps.

Feb 07, 2012 7:13am EST  --  Report as abuse
vippy wrote:

Do explain to me why we need drones in our country?

Congress has passed a bill aimed at prodding the nation’s aviation system into a new high-tech era in which satellites are central to air traffic control and piloted planes share the skies with unmanned drones.

The bill speeds the nation’s switch from radar to an air traffic control system based on GPS technology. It also requires the Federal Aviation Administration to open U.S. skies to drone flights within four years.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/02/06/national/w152116S71.DTL#ixzz1lhLTP44g

Feb 07, 2012 7:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Nneil wrote:

Wikipedia says this in part of their definition of extremists: “In democratic societies, individuals or groups that advocate the replacement of democracy with an authoritarian regime are usually branded extremists”. If you ask me, that sounds more like our government than anything else.

I have a sneaky suspicion this article is meant to “taint” the views of Ron Paul. What else could it be? Our country has always had the few “lone nuts” in it’s society. Does one really think 18 cases in one year warrants a comment like: “We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters”. Does it also mean our founding fathers were extremists?

This article is extreme at best.

Feb 07, 2012 7:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
byetore wrote:

Then maybe the government should try to cut down on the regulations.

Feb 07, 2012 7:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
yummy8755 wrote:

You haven’t a clue: the IRS is already using anti-terrorist legislation on anyone they wish. Guilty until proven innocent. Elimination of due process. The new anti-terrorist legislation: no trial for citizens necessary. Guilty because we say so.

The only freedoms left are in the public relations material we send to the rest of the world. This is just another immense pretense to justify destruction of constitutional liberties.

Feb 07, 2012 7:39am EST  --  Report as abuse
Marvo wrote:

Government should be afraid of the people and not the other way around, our government continues to reach into areas of our lives that is over and above the limited parameters envisioned by our founders. Between a supreme court that allows the take over of personal property for commercial purposes rather than public need, A president that flaunts the constitutional seperation of powers, A senate that hasn’t passed a budget in years, and erosion of states rights, Goverment needs to be reigned in. If the FBI and TSA would allow for “profiling” more kids and grandma’s could board a plane in safety without being molested in the name of secutrity rather than allowing middle easterners to board without scrutiny so as not to offend. With threats increasing from Iran, including a wide open southern border that we WON’T defend so we won’t OFFEND, Government is now for all practical purposes DISSFUNTIONAL. Time to hit the reset button….

Feb 07, 2012 7:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
Philosophe46 wrote:

Anti-government extremists?! What about the anti-Constitution, Alinsky disciple, Stalin-wannabe in the White House? Since the USA’s version of Franco or Pinochet has yet to step forward, and since we’d prefer that it doesn’t have to come to that, it’s left to true conservatives (not to be confused with the current GOP leadership) and true libertarians (not to be confused with whack-jobs who shoot at local police during traffic stops) to go on the offensive against any who seek to compromise our liberties and rights under the Constitution.

Feb 07, 2012 7:45am EST  --  Report as abuse

Sovereign Citizens are not extremists, but live under the radar and do not really affiliate themselves with society. There is nothing wrong with that, they live in a free country. There are laws in our country, however, if someone wants to distant themselves away from society to invent their own thing let them. Let them do it as long as they do not go against others, just don’t force yourself and your ways on them, as that is contrary to Freedom. In America, you are free, so live like it. You don’t have to be an Anarchist, however, the Constitution in it’s simple state is good enough for people who choose to not get involved with all of the “Debts” and everything. This is America, we are not a Collective, we are just a bunch of free individuals.

Feb 07, 2012 7:47am EST  --  Report as abuse
kg4boe wrote:

It’s the next step. NDAA is passed and now you can be labeled an enemy combatant for not going along with the government. They are doing this right in our faces. Gotta fill those FEMA camps somehow!

Feb 07, 2012 7:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Valux wrote:

All citizens in the US are sovereign. That’s the point of the US – the first country on earth that recognized the sovereignty of the individual. The whole notion of Individual Rights is about this and it is the doctrine that actually makes it possible for individuals to live together. Without that, society devolves into warring gangs, which it is threatening to do, apparently with the FBI’s help.

Feb 07, 2012 7:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
Cutlass wrote:

Amazing. They issue such a warning at a time when thousands of leftist radicals and union thugs occupy public property and violently attack law enforcement on a daily basis.

I’ll take the militia nuts who just want to be left alone in secluded areas, over leftwing extremists who go out of their way to inconvenience and endanger others in an effort to impose their will on the rest of us.

Feb 07, 2012 7:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
Cutlass wrote:

Amazing. They issue such a warning at a time when thousands of leftist radicals and union thugs occupy public property and violently attack law enforcement on a daily basis.

I’ll take the militia nuts who just want to be left alone in secluded areas, over leftwing extremists who go out of their way to inconvenience and endanger others in an effort to impose their will on the rest of us.

Feb 07, 2012 7:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
tadchem wrote:

What about ” Anti-government libertarians opposed to onerous taxes and regulations “?

Feb 07, 2012 7:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
Gmarks wrote:

IRS employees at risk?

WE are at risk from thieving government hacks. Tasering psychopaths with guns at checkpoints and airports.

NO – WE are at risk. Because we put up with these demons – and don’t fight back. I’m too old.

I pray our youngsters get serious about revolution

Feb 07, 2012 7:58am EST  --  Report as abuse

Wow – they convicted 18 people out of a population of 300,000,000 and suddenly this is at the top of the FBI charts? Don’t like big government and you are a threat?

It is only going to get worse.

Feb 07, 2012 7:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
JonnyMuffin wrote:

Setting you up. The war on terror is coming home. The legislation has been passed and the extremists have been identified.

Want to be left alone? then you support the terrorists. You are either with “us” or against “us”.

Feb 07, 2012 8:02am EST  --  Report as abuse

I suppose I better remove my “End the FED” bumper sticker before I become an Illegal “Sovereign Citizen”. Lord knows I don’t want to be judged because I have a voice. Welcome to the new police state.

Feb 07, 2012 8:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
redfox1 wrote:

yeah, white collar crimes are really extreme. you know what’s extreme…spending over 10 years and trillions of dollars fighting a war we could win in a day.

Feb 07, 2012 8:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
chicodon wrote:

This is not news. Big Sis let the cat out of the bag a long time ago. They are particularly worried about returning veterans (some 80,000 or more) who, they believe anyway, may feel betrayed by the current administration. In preparation they are laying the groundwork to limit our 2nd Amendment rights through scams like Fast and Furious, etc. They are also seeking to limit our abilities to communicate by controlling access to Twitter and Facebook, etc. Their third front is to use the FCC to go after Talk Radio (especially Rush Limbaugh). Believe me, there are more of these articles to come.

Feb 07, 2012 8:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
Douglas4517 wrote:

Hundreds of Occupy break into buildings, take over parks, get into tussles with police, leave an unholy mess behind when they are finally (and often physically) “persuaded” to leave and the growing problem is the anti-tax and anti-regulation crowd? Really?

Feb 07, 2012 8:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
MartyFiacco wrote:

This is a veiled threat, the warning to Americans that any form of dissent will be looked upon as an act of terrorism. This is the government’s police arm telling us that we are “extremists” if we view ourselves as individuals with individual rights. They label such people “sovereign citizens,” but consider exactly what they mean…you no longer have a right to your existence, you are a part of the whole, the state, individualism, the unalienable rights accorded to every human being by God and guaranteed by the Constitution of The United States of America mean nothing anymore. “We are watching you.”

Better wake up America. Thought this couldn’t happen? It IS happening, and the proof is right here in this article. Fight for your rights, or become slaves to the state. Demand from your representative that the FBI be reigned in, or we shall perish as a free people for sure.

Feb 07, 2012 8:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
HINER wrote:

10 Convictions to 18 Convictions in one year? This is a NON problem. 100k so called extremists???? NON problem. 12,000,000 illegal aliens?? PROBLEM. I have PERSONALLY known 2 people killed by illegal CRIMINAL immigrants.

This is the most worthless article I have ever read. Have some perspective when writing on a subject like this.

Feb 07, 2012 8:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
Teaparty01 wrote:

Wow. That is a suprise. I was not aware of this important news item. I wonder what precipitated this type of activity in a civil society. Can someone explain it to me ?

Feb 07, 2012 8:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
ETEE wrote:

The U.S. is getting to be everything I was told in grade school in the 50′s was what the Communists in the Soviet Union were like and was why we were fighting the Cold War. The people with Guns and Badges rule over the citizens thru a network of “Secret Police”. Neighbors turn in their neighbors, and children turn in their parents to the State because of their political ideology, for personal political and economic advantage. There are “laws” preventing everything so the “Police” have an excuse to arrest any of the citizens at any time. WE……have become THEM.

Feb 07, 2012 8:27am EST  --  Report as abuse
Silhouette wrote:

Wow…up to 18 “incidents”! That’s absolutely amazing! Pretty soon these “sovereigns” are going to surpass the nation’s gangs…and maybe even the unions! These morons let over 2000 guns flow into Mexico’s drug community and they are whining about this crap? Give me a break…Eric Holder is a bigger threat to America.

Feb 07, 2012 8:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
Outofcoma wrote:

Wow is this some blatant Alinsky tactics on display. Sovereign citizens are a threat? They name 2 incidents without details of the motivation of the attacks and one didn’t even end up in injuries and this is worthy of a nationwide warning? I see a whole lot more potential for violence from the OWS crowd – shooting at the WH, killing parents, chanting “kill the police”, etc….
Everything in this administration is political.

Feb 07, 2012 8:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
tnmccoy wrote:

This is a dangerous situation. The FBI is, in effect, painting all non-supporters of this out-of-control government as seditious. This is tyranny at it’s worst, and it’s an obvious political ploy by the Obama administration to help in his getting re-elected. Simple dictatorship trying to save itself.

Feb 07, 2012 8:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
oldtroll wrote:

There you have it, folks.
If you don’t like how things are going and you try to push back, you are “an extremist” and a danger to society.
Big Brother is watching YOU.

Feb 07, 2012 8:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
Squggz wrote:

46 people in three years, out of over 300 million have the FBI “inundated with requests for training”? Most of these are white collar crimes. Welcome to East Germany ladies and gentlemen. As long as this threat has been recognized, all dissenters can now be detained. Convenient timing with the empowering dictate of the NDAA. I am just completely shocked at this level of treason. Shouldn’t these people be tried and punished for these clearly illegal acts?

Feb 07, 2012 8:31am EST  --  Report as abuse
Dave-0 wrote:

All of you are hereby notified to report to the nearest processing center for re-education.
Hail Obama!

Feb 07, 2012 8:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fiat-Money wrote:

The government is being fed skewed intelligence by the Southern Poverty Law Center exacerbating the “sovereign” threat. They will point out the single fatal shooting of police officers by one of these sovereigns and his son (On Youtube). With that, there are violent people on every side of all issues.

April 7 2009 the DHS released a report called “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment”. In there they explain: Returning veterans, Pro-life supporters, “Conspiracy Theorists”, “The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the
1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.” etc etc. Another report: Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) entitled “The Modern Militia Movement” and dated February 20, 2009 went further. The MIAC report specifically describes supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as “militia” influenced terrorists and instructs the Missouri police to be on the lookout for supporters displaying bumper stickers and other paraphernalia associated with the Constitutional, Campaign for Liberty, and Libertarian parties. Also people who were anti-abortion etc. This report was chastised by Republicans in congress and was removed but no apologies given.

According to MIAC, opposition to world government, NAFTA, federalization of the states, and restrictive gun laws are a threat to the police. “The militia subscribes to an anti-government and NWO mindset, which creates a threat to law enforcement officers. They view the military, National Guard, and law enforcement as a force that will confiscate their firearms and place them in FEMA concentration camps,” the document claims in a section entitled “You are the Enemy.”

The constitution is the enemy. The US government has labeled those most likely to resist unconstitutional government powers. This was in 2008. Now the US government passes laws embedded with Indefinite Detention of US citizens in the NDAA and the Expatriation Act to strip anyone of US citizenship they deem a threat.

As Ron Paul has said of this: “They (the government) are setting the stage for violence”.

Feb 07, 2012 8:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
MDSailor wrote:

Lets see… The Obama “Occupy” wing of his campaign have taken over and destroyed public places, blocked traffic, intimidated citizens, assaulted police officers by throwing such items as urin, bricks, rocks, shut down ports, been arrested by the hundreds, and called for “revolution”… but the FBI does not classify these agitators as “extremists”? No, the extremists are the ones that believe in the Constitution, clean up after their rallies/protests, and obey the laws (except for the 18 people that were convicted of “white collar crimes”)… Is this article serious? Have they (both Reuters and the FBI) not paid attention to the Obama Occupy movement?

Feb 07, 2012 8:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
RickCaird wrote:

It is not only encounters with “sovereign citizens” that can turn violent. It is also encounters with swat teams breaking into your house, off duty cops who have been drinking, cops in a bad mood with a short temper, and FBI agents who decide a citizen is not being deferential enough.

Feb 07, 2012 8:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
vippy wrote:

Slowly, we are being indoctrinated and articles such as these will disappear as Big Brother is watching journalists reporting the truth:
In an article that is creating buzz in the halls of the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill, Lt. Col. Daniel Davis argues that not only is the war in Afghanistan not going well, but also that his fellow US military officers – whether due to a misguided “can do” spirit or a fear of repercussions within their chains of command – are misleading the American people.

Feb 07, 2012 8:54am EST  --  Report as abuse
landcruiser77 wrote:

I’m not anti-government, government is anti-me.

Feb 07, 2012 9:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
hammondkeys wrote:

And, at what point in time does this definition change to include people such as myself, who simply want a return to a federal government that gets its job description and authority from the Constitution? At some point, if this continues, people like me will be labeled enemies of the state.

Feb 07, 2012 9:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
jdubbenstien wrote:

“These extremists, sometimes known as “sovereign citizens,” believe they can live outside any type of government authority”…..j

OR, is it this writer who thinks EVERYONE should be under government control that is the extremist! I am a sovereign citizen and the US is BANKRUPT and the only hope now is to SQUEEZE the last remaining life out of the US citizen……so far so good.

WAKE UP CITIZENS!! IT IS NOT LEFT VS RIGHT> IT IS THE GOVERNMENT VS YOU!!

“in 2014, we begin paying more in benefits than we collect in taxes”
Social Security from 2001-2011

We deserve everything we get.

Feb 07, 2012 9:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
itolduso wrote:

Under Obama,the FBI are part of the brown shirts. A once great defender of freedom has been captured by a very wicked man.

Feb 07, 2012 9:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
radioman390 wrote:

Of course these extremists who oppose taxes are a threat to local authorities; where will their paychecks come from?

Unless the apparent hike in stories about police brutality and other violations of civil rights is caused by improved dissemination of news over the Internet (mostly), I’d suggest the FBI remind local authorities that we, the people, have rights and we pay their salaries.

Errors in judgment will occur, but lately there seems to be an outbreak of stupid and abusive behavior. Are new recruits rushed through the part of their training that describes their their obligations to be fair?

Having said that, I personally have never had a problem with any law enforcement officer, and once came to the aid of an officer being attacked by a small crowd. I would do it again too.

Who would have thought that cellphone cameras actually have a benefit?
I salute those PDs who release videos that possibly hurt their image; the truth is best to know, good or bad.

Feb 07, 2012 9:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
deadpammy wrote:

18 ppl arrested and this is cause for alarm? What about the intercity kids who flash mob stores and steal private property or beat up people in cabs? They don’t find this to be a problem? What about the OWS crowd throwing rocks at the police? Oh’ well, I guess not wanting to pay taxes to support the above crimes is the extreme.

Feb 07, 2012 9:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
StreekyD wrote:

So this includes the group know as Occupy Wall Street? OR any OWS group protesting violently againt our government??????? Hmmmmmmm?????

Feb 07, 2012 9:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
Lem767 wrote:

I have to ask, why no prosecutions coming out of the financial fraud uncovered especially since the 2008 market collapse? This article is about law enforcement concern regarding these violent “sovereign citizen” nut jobs, but, e.g., Fannie and Freddie executives walk out with huge bonuses after committing overt acts of fraud. I’d say these Wall Street guys have destroyed more lives and property than all of these common criminals or so called violent ‘sovereign citizens’ combined, since the 1990s savings and loans scandal.

There were over 2,000 prosecutions coming out of he equally fraudulent, albeit smaller, savings and loans fraud of the 1990s.  DOJ needs to get its priorities straight.

Feb 07, 2012 9:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
dwinstone wrote:

People who are angry at the direction of this country need to look no further than the representatives they elect to Congress. Rather than becoming a “sovereign citizen” become an engaged citizen. Throw out the corrupt. Every current Congress person should be concerned that in Dec 2012 they will be at the unemployment office.

Feb 07, 2012 9:33am EST  --  Report as abuse
kjatexas wrote:

It is unfortunate that the Federal law enforcement establishment now seems to classify anyone who questions government, anyone who believes in the Constitution, gun owners, ex military, and seemingly the majority of American citizens, as potential extremists, to be monitored.
Federal law enforcement agents took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. It seems however that their mission has morphed into protecting and defending the government. A government and administration that increasingly behaves in a lawless manner, by refusing to heed the primary document of the nation, the Constitution.
We have a President who demands his dictates be followed, but refuses to abide by judgements handed down by the federal judiciary, multiple federal law enforcement agencies that were caught red handed providing firearms to the Mexican drug cartels, and an administration that refuses to enforce federal law, in particular immigration law.
It behooves federal law enforcement to remember that when they are issued orders that contradict their oath to protect and defend the Constitution, that their duty is to refuse to obey those orders.
Is it any wonder that 60% of Americans believe that the greatest danger to their freedoms, now comes from their own government.

Feb 07, 2012 9:36am EST  --  Report as abuse
RogerDane wrote:

“….18 convictions” – that is 0.00000006 % of the American population and is they are making such a big deal over that small a contingent?

I would be willing to bet that “criminal wrongdoings” within Law enforcement agencies nationwide have a MUCH higher ‘involvement’ and ‘conviction’ percentage than 0.00000006 ! That means government authorized law enforcement is a bigger threat to? Yup…

Feb 07, 2012 9:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
smoking wrote:

This is a load of Crap. They are just associating random cop killers will “anti-government extremist” so they can prosecute more white people for saying things (using their freedom of speech). They are tying to brainwash the public against the TEA party and things like that. I condemn this apparent act of retribution on the part of the criminal justice (injustice) department and criminal Holder. It is you Holder who is a criminal and this so called deputy to the deputy implant in the FBI that are seeking to criminalize free speech. They have criminalized a bunch of 70 year olds in Georgia (who are white) and two white middle aged men in TN for free speech issues. Just because someone is anti-tax and anti-federal government does not mean they are against all government. Those that are against all government are anarchist not “extremist”. There is a difference even here. I say damn the federal government and I say it will be exposed of all of its corruption by the light of day.

Feb 07, 2012 9:40am EST  --  Report as abuse
LGLken wrote:

Oooooh, watch out! “Sovereign citizens” are gonna get ya!

Are they the new bogeymen du jour? Are they living in a cave in Afghanistan too?

And how do we know these BAAAAD men are such a threat? Because they are “anti government!”

Wow! So about 80% of America are terrorists according to FBI.

What they don’t tell you about is the FAR greater threat from the PRO government extremist.

These are the people who control the largest military in the world. They think that they are above the law. They believe in detaining, torturing, and killing their opponents without warrants, or trials and they think that anyone, anywhere who disagrees with them is the enemy.

The PRO government extremist, unlike the anti version, have a track record of violence and destruction on an international scale that is unparalleled in human history.

Seems to me that the PRO-government extremist are the REAL terrorists.

-Ken
Laser Guided Loogie

Feb 07, 2012 9:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
tnmccoy wrote:

A re-read of this article makes me think this is an extreme joke, a waste of time. Patrick Temple-West must have a lot of time on his hands. It appears he wrote an article based on a bad joke. One has to wonder who is really pulling his strings.

Feb 07, 2012 9:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
rus69 wrote:

Big Joe Biden, You have been labled.

Feb 07, 2012 9:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
MrCrashHappy wrote:

Oh, goody. Now the feds will start a campaign to identify those with “anti-government” thoughts. Well, maybe not. I suppose OWS got a pass because defecating on police cars, breeding rats, murder, assault, rape, kidnapping, defacing public property, loitering, vagrancy, and physical attacks on law enforcement personnel are precious free speech rights. As long as they’re funded by George Soros and condoned by B. Hussein Obama, of course. Riiiiiiiiiight.

Feb 07, 2012 9:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
smoking wrote:

Holder your the extremist trying to criminalize people. Holder your the criminal because your actions resulted in the murder of a US official. Stop trying to tag people that are against this administration and you as extremest. You are the extremist. Any sane person would be against high taxes. Also, before long their will be a new revolution where everyone (who is self employed and has their own business) will stop paying their taxes just to stop the wasteful spending of the federal government and to stop federal government from further trampling of our freedoms.

Feb 07, 2012 9:46am EST  --  Report as abuse
Cogito wrote:

It is not anti-government extremists. It is pro-state citizens defined as extremists by a rogue governmnet.

You knew this was comming the day Big Sis notified all law enforcement agencies to be on the lookout for potential homegrown terrorists; namely people of faith, returning veterans, people who support the second amendment, people who prefer more powerful state governmnets.

It was obvious then, and it is obvious now that the federal government has been hi-jacked by radial marxists interested in securing and maintaining absolute power at all costs.

We saw what Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il et al did to their citizens. Now it is our turn.

Feb 07, 2012 9:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Cogito wrote:

It is not anti-government extremists. It is pro-state citizens defined as extremists by a rogue governmnet.

You knew this was comming the day Big Sis notified all law enforcement agencies to be on the lookout for potential homegrown terrorists; namely people of faith, returning veterans, people who support the second amendment, people who prefer more powerful state governmnets.

It was obvious then, and it is obvious now that the federal government has been hi-jacked by radial marxists interested in securing and maintaining absolute power at all costs.

We saw what Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il et al did to their citizens. Now it is our turn.

Feb 07, 2012 9:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
modmaxinsj wrote:

WE did go bankrupt by going off of the gold standard. If you have to pay your bills with money you have on hand the government would be regulated to the revenues taken in and then could only borrow what was deposited. After this the checks would bounce. NOw we have the fractional reserve banking system where the money is multiplied times 10 and the major banks can get money for free from the FED the supply is endless so the leveraged speculation goes on. The fact we paid over 500 billion in interest to the private bank known as the Federal reserve is proof that this system is fleecing the tax payers. What did we get with the 500 billion in interest; nothing. We do not pay any principal and are now borrowing .40 of every dollar the government spends. This is article is profiling people with sound and clear thinking as dangerous. The fact is that the financial collapse is coming and the battle will be for control when it hits the fan. Demonizing people who correctly see the central banks as the source of problem is a joke. The Central banks will use the IMF to set up a global fiat money system and hail themselves as the hero’s of a globalist NWO police state.

Feb 07, 2012 9:50am EST  --  Report as abuse
Redfray wrote:

This is a very good propaganda trick to use profiling against religious people and those who don’t trust the government. All they need to win this trick is to make us believe these people are not like us. They want us to support the FBI no matter what they do. Remember Ruby and Waco, didn’t innocent people get killed at those places?

Feb 07, 2012 9:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
reddog14 wrote:

Because Americans are getting sick and tired of bending over and taking it and waking up to the corrupt government and its policies, Americans are now a threat. New laws basically say if you don’t agree with the government, we will make you disappear. God Bless America! Keep the Constitution intact people!

Feb 07, 2012 9:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
ldb853 wrote:

Is this the start so that they control the population by saying anyone who disagrees is a extremist?

Once they have this “class” of threat with the majority of the population accepting their description of them as “extremists” it will be very easy to add to the “class”

shall we include “Christians”?
shall we include “tea-partyers”?
shall we include “veterans”

Surely it won’t include Islamic Terrorists a/k/a extremists, Black Panthers, street gangs or any other of the people who are the real threat

Feb 07, 2012 9:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
Ernie28715 wrote:

Violence is usually a bad idea but the reason we have the 2nd amendment is protect ourselves from an out of control Federal government. The socialist police state being forced on us is too much to take and people are awakening to the fact that our Constitutional freedoms are being trampled and they’re angry about it. It should come as no surprise to Federal or local authorities that Americans are so resistant to oppression.

Feb 07, 2012 9:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
YUPtrev wrote:

I emplore EVERYONE to read 1984 by George Orwell if you haven’t already. My only concern is that it has been censored…

Feb 07, 2012 9:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
weneedronpaul wrote:

Our country is in trouble. KRT you are right on. I’m starting to wonder if it is safe to leave my house. Anyone that isn’t believing the crap going on is in danger. Mitt is a war monger like everyone else, except you know who. OUR country is in debt trillions of dollar and printing money based on nothing! shameful! And i used to be a democrat and i am ashamed of what is going on. sending our people to war for $$$ in the pockets of military contractors, what a joke! Iran isn’t the enemy, we are our own worst enemy. Betrayal of our government high taxes the wealthy elite wanting more more more. What would George Washington, John Adams think? Didn’t Al Gore win a win the Nobel Peace prize? (global warming is a hoax!) It proves that people cannot think because they have sold themselves for chinese made goods. You cannot walk into any store and find American made goods, hello!

Feb 07, 2012 9:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
mdboze wrote:

Description of “sovereign citizens” seems to match Ron Paul supporters. Is this the beginning of an effort to demonize Ron Paul supporters as radical and dangerous?

Feb 07, 2012 10:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
llawson wrote:

It is a sad sad time in our history when our government is totally corrupt and infested with traitors and treasonous atrosities. They will all rot in hell.

Feb 07, 2012 10:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
reuterzblowz wrote:

The 16th Amendment was (supposedly?) passed, only to serve as collateral on the debt created when the Fed, a PRIVATELY owned, for-profit central bank loaned money at interest to the government. It was passed shortly before the Fed Reserve Act was passed in 1913 and was literally the security the bank required to make loans. It is a scam of Biblical proportion. All of these unconstitutional laws like the Patriot Act, the NDAA etc. were passed to “nip this problem in the bud”, that problem being those citizens who question the constitutionality of many of our laws. At the turn of the 20th century, the Fed Code would fit in a few bound books. Look at it now.
Learn more about this scam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXt1cayx0hs

And, no, I’m not a sovereign citizen, just educated. It is the educated masses that can bring the ship down and thus the reason for PDD51 as well as numerous executive orders for the continuity of government. They fear educated masses, as did King George and the Bank of England.

Feb 07, 2012 10:03am EST  --  Report as abuse
AVoterInTX wrote:

I guess the FBI ran out of fake terrorists that they have to invent new home grown threats. Yup, we are on to you.

Feb 07, 2012 10:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
JackBQuick wrote:

now anyone that supports your own founding document, and is against big government can be taken to an undisclosed location and tortured etc. I’m canadian and I can see what’s going on in the USA better than you can apparently.

Feb 07, 2012 10:05am EST  --  Report as abuse
Intelman wrote:

Readers beware! I dug down a little on this story and as far as I can tell the FBI is using sources associated with the SPLC. The FBI intelligence officers should be ashamed of their poor analytical work, and it shows how week their analysts are. The SPLC is an extremist organization on the left that crafts analysis based on ideology! Pure and simple…Patrick, I have to say this article is more akin to intern reporting instead of vetted journalism!

Feb 07, 2012 10:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
justthoughtof wrote:

Might I add that as much as I hate to admit it, and what seems to be not so aparant is that law enforcement officials can read too and have the capability to reason justifiably also. (At least some of them do)

Feb 07, 2012 10:09am EST  --  Report as abuse
htMac wrote:

@theBruce— HUH???

Feb 07, 2012 10:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
weneedronpaul wrote:

Walk in any store and try to find American made goods. Sickening what has happened to this great nation because of greedy elite.

Feb 07, 2012 10:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
htMac wrote:

thebruce wrote:
do people think that the FBI just up and switches parties just because a new president has been elected?

do you think the fbi is like a bee hive or the borg or something?

they are people just like you and me, and they just do their job protecting the country.

Feb 06, 2012 9:20pm EST

HUH???

Feb 07, 2012 10:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
ubtaught wrote:

My advice to the FBI is two fold: Number ONE-Consider the US Constitution and any oath or loyalty you should have to both the Constitution and your oath. Number TWO-How many OTHER unlawful activities is the FBI ignoring to go after these people? Has the FBI been made aware of the Fast and Furious Scandal, the Philadelphia Black Panthers Voter Intimidation Issue, the Solyndra Scandal? (just to name a few). Americans are not antigovernment. We are antidisestablishment, we are against the destruction of the US Constitution, against the erosion of the rule of law. Wake up, FBI or you will become the monster you were created to combat.

Feb 07, 2012 10:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
oyveyzmere wrote:

The Irony in all this is that the Government itself is ANTI Government.
Talking about subversion of the constitution. That is in your face Treason…

Feb 07, 2012 10:12am EST  --  Report as abuse
Dave-0 wrote:

..and who’s monitoring federal law enforcement? Eric Holder? Oh, I feel safe now..
=8-0

Feb 07, 2012 10:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
BillDerberg wrote:

“Souvreign citizen” let’s exam the expression. Souvreign means “lawmaker” or the owner of land. Citizen means “subject” or “slave”. So the 2 words together contradict each other. How can a souvreign be a slave?

Feb 07, 2012 10:15am EST  --  Report as abuse
Desertlakes wrote:

The only people clashing with police are the Obama and Democrat Party supported occupy movement.

Feb 07, 2012 10:16am EST  --  Report as abuse
grfd703 wrote:

WOW! A whole 18 people up from 10? With a population in the hundred of millions, we’re going to set policy and fret and worry about 18 idiots? This IS brainwashing at it’s finest indeed! Move along, nothing to see here…

Feb 07, 2012 10:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
goofyfoot2001 wrote:

There is NO SUCH WARNING on the FBI website. So where did this come from? Who actually put out this warning?

Feb 07, 2012 10:19am EST  --  Report as abuse
happydance wrote:

The FBI should be investigating the White House, itself under Holder and the criminal gang of unions which dominate the public sector. America is waking up. We’re not threatened by the fringe…we are being run over daily by those who are charged with protecting us and our freedoms. So, Reuters…try to report on the real story sometime.

Feb 07, 2012 10:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
goofyfoot2001 wrote:

This appears NOWHERE on the FBI website. Who put out this statement? Wouldn’t a responsible “journalist” at least print the “who” of the “what” along with the “where?”

Feb 07, 2012 10:21am EST  --  Report as abuse

So there were approximately 50 cases in 3 years and now the FBI is getting inundated with training requests. What a joke. It seems like the FBI is inundating the local law enforcement instead of the other way around. This is the kind of rhetoric that leads to marshal law and the FEMA camps being activated.

Feb 07, 2012 10:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
worldlymrb wrote:

Extremist? Sound more like PATRIOTS to me!

Feb 07, 2012 10:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
SoCalMike wrote:

The FBI and other parasitic government CLOWNS find it easier to criminalize law abiding Americans than to actually protect us from those seeking to murder us in the name of their god.
When such murders occur, the FBI is the first to show up to reassure that there was no connection to organized terror as if Bin Laden and co carry Al Qaida ID cards.

Feb 07, 2012 10:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
jonchronicler wrote:

The supreme law of the State is self-preservation at any cost. And since all States, ever since they came to exist upon the earth, have been condemned to perpetual struggle – a struggle against their own populations, whom they oppress and ruin, a struggle against all foreign States, every one of which can be strong only if the others are weak – and since the States cannot hold their own in this struggle unless they constantly keep on augmenting their power against their own subjects as well as against the neighborhood States – it follows that the supreme law of the State is the augmentation of its power to the detriment of internal liberty and external justice.
The Immorality of the State by Mikhail Bakunin [1814-1876]

Feb 07, 2012 10:25am EST  --  Report as abuse

The fbi see these people as a threat 10 in 2009 and 18 in 2010 and 2011, wow and the article claims a 100,00 followers out of a population of 310 million rough guesstimate 0.001% and I may be off a little. The real threat is overreach by the fbi,tsa and other federal agencies, look in a mirror your ss tactics violate the constitution and bill of rights! Up until president 40 we were holding our own against progressive over-reach now with the draconian maneuvers being implemented 24/7 the republic is on life support, four more years of the current administration and he will have achieved the dreams of his father, we will be third rate european socio-demo-entitlement state.
This is deja vu 1933 and the national socialist party, and instead of the ss we have tsa, fbi and atf, history unlearned is about to be repeated.Germany had hitler we have obama and his sith master soros

Feb 07, 2012 10:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
sharecropper wrote:

So the federal government can arbitrarily pick and choose which laws it obeys and enforces, politicians can break laws without fear of prosecution and those of us who speak up are now considered “extremists”.

The word has been so overplayed it’s lost all meaning, kinda like the word “racist”. Both words have come to be synonyms for anyone who rejects the hypocrisy of the statists.

Our own government seems to be the biggest threat to our survival and useful idiots like the writers at Reuters have become nothing more than scribes, dutifully repeating whatever the statists tell them, without question, without any sense of justice or morality.

This will not end well.

Feb 07, 2012 10:26am EST  --  Report as abuse

The FBI,is warning us about “extremists” who are opposed to the theft, coercion, spying, scams, intrusiveness of a government that has grown out of control. The FBI is the same unconstitutional bureaucracy who’s agent provocateurs egged on Islamic radicals to violence and who actually not only provided them with explosives to use in the first WTC attack, the FBI actually allowed the attack to go forward at great cost and bloodshed. Nice to be protected from “extremists” by an organization like this. The FBI is also one of the agencies that laid siege on the Branch Davidians, terrorizing them around the clock with psyops leading to the violent fiery deaths of numerous men women and children and blaming the victims for it. Only government can get away with atrocities like this. We are to trust an organization to protect us from “extremists” who uses terror, lies, deception and violence? Who are the extremists?

Feb 07, 2012 10:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
infinitybbc wrote:

by now there are certainly more than 100,000 Americans that are privy to the actions of tyrants in high offices who perpetuate the violations of individuals rights and in doing so, violate their oath of office to uphold the US Constitution in protecting these unalienable rights! the US IS bankrupt!!! who are these fools in the FBI trying to fool? (what a circus) 8-)

Feb 07, 2012 10:29am EST  --  Report as abuse
NeoConVet wrote:

Is this another Homeleand Security warning about the Tea Party? :)

Should we be concerned?

- We have a President who feels constrained (thankfully) by the Constitution.
- We have a Goverment spending us into oblivion.
- We have a gov’t regulating us into unemeployment with fewer working now than ever as a %.
- We have a gov’t mandating that we buy insurance for our own so-called good.
- We have a gov’t that is demanding that we subordinate our religious beliefs to that of the State.

Feb 07, 2012 10:30am EST  --  Report as abuse
lwayne4082 wrote:

The people they should fear are the pro freedom anti **bad** government Americans. Those people have this horrible government right in the cross hairs. If being pro American Constitution and a law abiding citizen means you are an extremist, sign my axle up.

Feb 07, 2012 10:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
USofCrooks wrote:

“In May 2010, two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers were shot and killed in an argument that developed after they pulled over a “sovereign citizen” in traffic.”

Music to my ears!!!

Feb 07, 2012 10:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
magee wrote:

This is another attempt by the Obama Regime to take away the rights of Americans. They have now classified WHITE Americans as “extremists” if they own a gun.
fwiw, WHITE America has armed themselves to prevent the government from taking away our rights. If they can convince enough liberals that GUNS ARE EVIL, then they can successfully trample the Constitutional Rights of every last American.

Don’t be a jacka** and roll over and give your Freedom away, defend your Rights and your Family!
http://georgiacarry.org/

Feb 07, 2012 10:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
ngraves wrote:

Good grief.. I AM a Sovereign–yep, official expatriation. Law enforcement is NUTS!!! That’s the one BIG no, no–physically hurting someone else. Sovereign citizens basically just want to be left alone–that’s it! And any FOOL will tell you that the US went bankrupt EXACTLY when we went off the gold standard. There are only 100k of us and a HUGE domestic threat? Um….have we threatened anyone? Haven’t seen THAT headline. But what i DO see is constant blather from the media AND “law enforcement” talking about us. Really? Some whack job shot a cop when he got pulled over years ago and this guy said he was a “Sovereign”–doubtful. Hurting others–let alone MURDER = unacceptable, period.

Feb 07, 2012 10:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
handgunner21 wrote:

These so called “extremists” are for the most part people who protect our rights that have been set fourth by the very people who created this country. The government has brain washed all of us with fear and threats to in turn make us more reliant on them.

If the militia groups are blamed for so called living outside of “any type of government” which we are more interested in protecting our constitutional rights as an American then it would be safe to say we need to blame cars for drunk drivers, China for having better steel than the US, and the spoon for making Rosie O’donnell fat.

Feb 07, 2012 10:41am EST  --  Report as abuse
TomZarek wrote:

What is amazing to me is how paranoid all you teaparty types are. From the beginning with the warnings on right wing extremists, fantasies of persecution have made you jump to the conclusion that you personally are being singled out for government repression for your political beliefs. All any of these warnings have been talking about is the violent fringe element on the right. All movements have their fringe, that many of you seem to so identify with your fringe, and count yourself among the persecuted when they are targeted, speaks volumes to how close you yourselves are to the use of violence.

Feb 07, 2012 10:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Denan wrote:

There were 36 arrests over the last two years out of a population of well over 300 million people???

We need more laws! Government at all levels need to grow and take more and more money from tax payers to fight this menace! Governments need to exert more control to protect us from this new massive threat to our existence!!!

OMG! Please big government, get bigger and help us!

Feb 07, 2012 10:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
UserX010101 wrote:

God Damn right. There are more of us than you think….. and we are willing to trade your life, for our freedom.

There, fixed it for you. :-)

Feb 07, 2012 10:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Dschwarpa wrote:

So we have a total of 18 people arrested, but we need to send all of our law enforcement to special training? This is the beginning of the process to make law enforcement paranoid about every person they encounter, and convince them that anybody can conceivably be a terrorist. This is very dangerous as these authorities are trying to turn our law enforcement on our own citizens, especially as we have spent billions on training and equipment to make them more militarized. What I see is the police and fire unions taking the side of government to protect their salaries and benefits and blaming the right for trying to take these things from them. Then it is only a simple act of revenge when the orders come to roundup the “extreme” right wingers under the guise of being terrorists…….This is not the price we should pay to feel safer. We need more responsible citizenry who are armed and capable of resisting the impositions our government is now forcing upon its citizens against their will. This all stops when government is once against reduced to its primary goals. Just like the left tries to place the US at blame for 911 and Arab hatred by our policies, they are doing the same thing to conservatives by forcing unwanted government mandates down our throats.

Feb 07, 2012 10:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Daedal71 wrote:

Wow, .018% of supposed “sovereign citizens” get in trouble with the law in a year. Sounds like there might be a little over-reaction to a mostly law-abiding, or at least trouble avoiding, sector of our society. EXTREMISTS, look out for everyone except those that might want to do us harm.

Feb 07, 2012 10:49am EST  --  Report as abuse

“Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.”

18?…18??? Are you kidding me! How many murders were committed by illegal aliens during that time? How many potential terrorists creeped across our borders during that time? They’re worried about 18 cases of white collar crime?

Feb 07, 2012 10:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
FNTM25 wrote:

Why would the FBI or any of our governmental bodies be concerned about we citizens constituting a threat? To whom? They are risking paranoia.

Feb 07, 2012 10:52am EST  --  Report as abuse
UserX010101 wrote:

More SPLC hate mongering….who knew!

Feb 07, 2012 10:55am EST  --  Report as abuse
montreaauxg wrote:

The opposite of a sovereign citizen would be an individual who has given up their unalienable rights to life, liberty, and property and believes they are owned by the state. Just because the guy robbing you to fund undeclared wars, banker bailouts, and the Patriot Act calls it taxation for the common good and wears a badge doesn’t make it any less immoral.
“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,”

Feb 07, 2012 10:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Well maybe 3-4 at tops reasonable comments in this whole thread, for the rest of you I know it is pointless trying to reason with you all, but I will try. Here is a quick summary of the point of this article….

Police officers have been shot and killed, with out provocation, by those who believe that they can live outside of any government authority. We, the FBI, think it is important to add visibility to this possible threat to local police officers so they can better protect themselves.

Now to those of you that think it is a bad thing to keep our police officers (they are American’s too) safe, why is this a problem? And to some that have been bringing up the provision in the NDAA, and then express anger at Obama, read the signing statement Obama made after signing the bill and realize that it was the GOP who forced this into law.

Yes there are issues with infringement on our civil liberties with regards to Patriot Act, homeland Security, the ‘war on terror’, campaign against equal marriage rights, etc…, but the FBI warning local law enforcement on a certain type of ‘crazy’ person is not one of them. I swear you people are just looking for an excuse to label Obama a Socialist or Marxist, as I have said before you should look up the definition of these terms before using them, makes you look stupid.

Feb 07, 2012 10:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
montreaauxg wrote:

Anti-government logicians warn of threat from FBI

Feb 07, 2012 10:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
BanThis wrote:

Just like those darn evil white men that you know…founded our country. Rebellion is America’s oldest tradition. Our founding fathers drafted the Constitution to ensure that the government would always maintain a healthy fear of the people it served. The power in this country is given by us, not the government. Don’t let them have anymore than they are relegated to by the Constitution. If they over step their bounds even once justice must be swift and relentless. They chip away at our freedom every day, taking a little more every day.

Feb 07, 2012 10:59am EST  --  Report as abuse
scrivener wrote:

The alleged threat from a small number of “anti-government extremists” pales in comparison to the harm being done to extrajudicially targeted, persecuted American citizens deemed by ideologue bureaucrats to be “dissidents” or undesirables.” Thousands are being silently assaulted, tortured, impaired, subjugated and slow-killed by a U.S. government radio frequency directed energy weapon system deployed on cell towers nationwide, says this veteran mainstream journalist, who counts himself among the victims of a subversive, extremist shadow government: http://viclivingston.blogspot.com/2011/12/u.html

Feb 07, 2012 11:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
krugginator wrote:

I find it hard to believe the FBI was ‘inundated’ by 18 cases.

Does that make me an extremist?

Feb 07, 2012 11:00am EST  --  Report as abuse
Wyrdless3 wrote:

WOW 18 cases of fraud every year? That is a crime wave!

Bank of America committed tens of thousands of acts of fraud (robosigning) and the FBI doesn’t give a crap.

I’m more worried about Goldman-Sachs stealing my money through bailouts than some nut who thinks the government is trying to take away our freedoms.

The government is more interested in silencing dissent than they are in protecting me from predators using the coercive power of government to steal money through bailouts.

Feb 07, 2012 11:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Wyrdless3 wrote:

WOW 18 cases of fraud every year? That is a crime wave!

Bank of America committed tens of thousands of acts of fraud (robosigning) and the FBI doesn’t give a crap.

I’m more worried about Goldman-Sachs stealing my money through bailouts than some nut who thinks the government is trying to take away our freedoms.

The government is more interested in silencing dissent than they are in protecting me from predators using the coercive power of government to steal money through bailouts.

Feb 07, 2012 11:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Wyrdless3 wrote:

WOW 18 cases of fraud every year? That is a crime wave!

Bank of America committed tens of thousands of acts of fraud (robosigning) and the FBI doesn’t give a crap.

I’m more worried about Goldman-Sachs stealing my money through bailouts than some nut who thinks the government is trying to take away our freedoms.

The government is more interested in silencing dissent than they are in protecting me from predators using the coercive power of government to steal money through bailouts.

Feb 07, 2012 11:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
Wyrdless3 wrote:

WOW 18 cases of fraud every year? That is a crime wave!

Bank of America committed tens of thousands of acts of fraud (robosigning) and the FBI doesn’t give a crap.

I’m more worried about Goldman-Sachs stealing my money through bailouts than some nut who thinks the government is trying to take away our freedoms.

The government is more interested in silencing dissent than they are in protecting me from predators using the coercive power of government to steal money through bailouts.

Feb 07, 2012 11:01am EST  --  Report as abuse
KittyWitty wrote:

“”We thought it was important to increase the visibility of the threat with state and local law enforcement,” he said.”

Self-fulfilling prophesy? If you go looking for trouble you are likely to find it.

Feb 07, 2012 11:07am EST  --  Report as abuse
Citizen001X wrote:

You know, this is exactly the type of concerning issue that needs a workable solution. Employees of The Internal Revenue Service do not deserve to be put in danger and neither do our hard working men and women in the police force. Citizens are expected to pay their taxes, obey the laws and do everything in their power to make this world a better place overall. That extremists refuse to follow a standard that is meant for the good of all (taxes benefit the country) just sickens me. However, I think education is the cure for most things done in ignorance and if that does not work, perhaps they have some issues with authority and may need something to calm them? Just my thoughts; I deal with conspiracy theorists and extremists (same thing) daily and none of them seem mentally stable.

Feb 07, 2012 11:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
chicodon wrote:

In my earlier post I mention that Obama will try and control our ability our ability to communicate. Proof: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/06/democrats-to-continue-internet-coup-with-new-cyber-bill/

Feb 07, 2012 11:08am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jackbooted wrote:

It’s government that is the most threatening. It’s killed something like over 250 million people in the last couple of centuries, more than any other group. And remember that cops don’t carry a gun to protect you, but only to protect themselves.
Do sovereigns get into quarrels with other citizens or is it only the cops that have to worry? Police State gets what it wants.

And think about it. It used to be that you had to worry about a thug eying you on the street or road. Now it’s the cops you have to worry about. The thug wanted your money and now the cops want your money.

Feb 07, 2012 11:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
garyinco wrote:

Yeah, these anti-big govt tea partyer’s are trashing public property, defecating on law enforcement vehicles, and murdering US military personnel.

Oh wait, that’s the occupiers and Islamists.

So let’s go get those Libertarians.

Feb 07, 2012 11:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jackbooted wrote:

It’s government that is the most threatening. It’s killed something like over 250 million people in the last couple of centuries, more than any other group. And remember that cops don’t carry a gun to protect you, but only to protect themselves.
Do sovereigns get into quarrels with other citizens or is it only the cops that have to worry? Police State gets what it wants.

And think about it. It used to be that you had to worry about a thug eying you on the street or road. Now it’s the cops you have to worry about. The thug wanted your money and now the cops want your money.

Feb 07, 2012 11:10am EST  --  Report as abuse
dallas.grozny wrote:

they’re talking about the occupiers, right? they’ve committed murder, rape, attacked police, destroyed property, failed to pay taxes, even went so far as to attack the white house. so they’re talking about the occupiers, right?

Feb 07, 2012 11:14am EST  --  Report as abuse
Slade wrote:

How did we ever survive without having the Federal Government involved in local and state law enforcement? The Feds taught local and state law officers how to properly respect criminals, to read to them their “Miranda Rights” after they commit some heinous crime, to treat them gently after they try to kill arresting officers, to let them freely and profanely abuse any law enforcement officer they choose, etc. etc. We were a hell of a lot better off as a society when law enforcement was in local and state hands.

Feb 07, 2012 11:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
SpeaktheTruth wrote:

In other words, if you disagree with us, if you question us, if you dare speak out agaisnt us, we will label you a terrorist and use the newly passed laws to lock you up indefinitely, without a lawyer, without a trial, without even a charge.

This is EXACTLY why everyone was up in arms about the increased surveillance, homeland Gestapo security, ADA act, and other tyrannical laws that are not being passed to PROTECT Americans but instead to use AGAISNT them.

How much more do you need before you realize that every single American is having their freedom and liberty stripped.

This response alone, warrants me to be labeled a terrorist according to this story.

Feb 07, 2012 11:17am EST  --  Report as abuse
diluded0000 wrote:

Sounds like a bunch of ethnocentric hate mongers are getting a taste of their own medicine. Y’all are finding out what it was like to be a pot smoker or undocumented immigrant under the Bush admin. Oh wait, that is completely different – those things are illegal, never mind.

Feb 07, 2012 11:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
JimSizer wrote:

@USAPRAGMATIST. The same FBI that torched WACO and Blew up the Federal Murrah Building in OKC.

Feb 07, 2012 11:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
KittyWitty wrote:

I agree with many of the commenters. The input sources for this declaration (SPLC etc.) were all uniformly Left-wing and generally radical in nature. It is very disturbing that national policy is made in this way. When the President and Supreme Court Justices (Bader-Ginsberg, Kagan, Souter, Stevens, Breyer) openly scorn and discount the US Constitution in favor of international law, you know we are in serious trouble. The ruling intelligencia in America have effectively declared the Constitution irrelevant and that they will be ruling by diktat and executive fiat. We are in the midst of a tyrrany as we speak. This does not bode well for the Republic.

Feb 07, 2012 11:20am EST  --  Report as abuse

Patrick and Kevin are just slaves/pulpets of the Obama administration. We don’t believe you!!

Feb 07, 2012 11:20am EST  --  Report as abuse
IAMTheLight wrote:

This article should read as the following. “All over the country, more and more people are starting to wake up to the greed, corruption and overbearing regulation that is strangling the American spirit and the ideas of liberty and freedom. As a result, people are becoming more engaged in their local government and are starting to demand more from it, including the protection of their rights. Local government officials, having spent their entire careers pursuing their own interests at the cost of trampling on the Constitution, are at a complete loss for what to do now that people are refusing to comply with unlawful and unconstitutional laws.” And obviously, the government can’t allow you to withdraw your consent to be governed, because it would destroy their legitimacy to rule. So they’ll use fear to gain our consent and vilify those who will not consent as “anti-government extremists.” The only extremists I see are getting paid by the taxpayers!

Feb 07, 2012 11:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
sameobs wrote:

straight up. keep a close eye on your neighbors – and the boogie men in caves.

but don’t focus on the bankers who have hijacked our government and are trying to scare you so they can get away with their scams.

Feb 07, 2012 11:21am EST  --  Report as abuse
Wills120 wrote:

“Extremists”? You mean people who actually cherish the Constitution and those before us who built the greatest country in the world?

This article is insulting at best.

Feb 07, 2012 11:22am EST  --  Report as abuse
KittyWitty wrote:

“I’m more worried about Goldman-Sachs stealing my money through bailouts than some nut who thinks the government is trying to take away our freedoms.”

H*ll, Goldman-Sachs is an agent of the government. We’re just energy pods in their “Matrix” world.

Government is not the problem, it it those we allow to run it for their own nefarious ends.

Feb 07, 2012 11:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
McWayne wrote:

So let’s get this straight. People who oppose taxes and tyranny are the threat to this country?

Not the people who paid AlQeada to overthrow Libya or the people who are shipping guns into Mexico and allowing the Sinaloa cartel to ship cocaine and other drugs into the US or the people dumping the remains of fallen US soldiers into landfills or the people actively working on hyper-weaponizing the bird flu or the people who granted themselves the power to kidnap, disappear, torture and kill US citizens without a trial?

Fascinating.

infowars.com
prisonplanet.com
naturalnews.com
informationclearinghouse.info

Feb 07, 2012 11:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
Orpheus75 wrote:

“These extremists, sometimes known as “sovereign citizens,” .
Progressive code talk for, “American Citizens” or “Tea Partiers”.

Feb 07, 2012 11:24am EST  --  Report as abuse
nothinleft wrote:

Maybe the ‘Citizens’ remember Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Feb 07, 2012 11:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
junior77 wrote:

The war on terror is a war against we the people. Just look at the TSA and the internet site shutdowns, netID, viper squads…

We need new leadership. No more tyrants please. Furthermore end the endless wars: terror, drugs, poverty…

Feb 07, 2012 11:28am EST  --  Report as abuse
tonymo wrote:

These extremists, sometimes known as “sovereign citizens,(or the Obama administration” believe they can live outside any type of government authority, particularly the Constitution!

“What’s frustrated people is that I’ve not been able to implement every aspect of what I said in 2008. Well, it turns out our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change than I would like sometime”

Spoken like a true Third World Dictator. This, so-called, Constitutional lawyer has NO idea of the purpose of the Constitution, or that the reason for it being written as it has was because our prescient Founders foresaw the possibility of some radical outlaw like Obama ending up in the White House!

He honestly believes he has the power of an Emperor, and has no clue how to operate within the framework of the very government that he, incredibly, heads!

Does anyone remember when early on, Hugo Chavez “joked” to Fidel Castro that if they weren’t careful they’d be to the right of Obama. Still think it was a joke!

Feb 07, 2012 11:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
thePRSF wrote:

Imagine that, people who stand opposed to the government’s tyranny (like taxes, regulations, Obamacare, et al) are now labeled as threats and “extremists.” Funny that the country that was created based on the ideological dream of freedom from tyranny, now views those who hold those sacred values a “threat” to the government-controlled establishment. Hmmm? I guess I’m a proud extremist and terrorist.

Feb 07, 2012 11:35am EST  --  Report as abuse
McWayne wrote:

So let’s get this straight. People who oppose taxes and tyranny are the threat to this country?

Not the people who paid AlQeada to overthrow Libya or the people who are shipping guns into Mexico and allowing the Sinaloa cartel to ship cocaine and other drugs into the US or the people dumping the remains of fallen US soldiers into landfills or the people actively working on hyper-weaponizing the bird flu or the people who granted themselves the power to kidnap, disappear, torture and kill US citizens without a trial?

Fascinating.

Feb 07, 2012 11:36am EST  --  Report as abuse

Wow, 18 a year? Better train our police to be suspicious of and manhandle citizens.

No wait, government would never overreact like that.

Fly free, Sovereign Citizens!

Feb 07, 2012 11:37am EST  --  Report as abuse
rudyak wrote:

Quote from Story, “Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.

“We are being inundated…” ” 18 sovereign citizens convicted in one year. The FBI realy has something to worry about there don’t they.

Feb 07, 2012 11:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
pinroot wrote:

“The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.”

Based on the first two items, wouldn’t GE and other large corporations also qualify as “anti-government extremists?”

Feb 07, 2012 11:42am EST  --  Report as abuse
Adam_S wrote:

Ron Paul can haz 2012?

Feb 07, 2012 11:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
EllieLight wrote:

We all know they are talking about the tea baggers. Obama is not going to put up with their BS anymore. The FBI will take them down! About time.

Feb 07, 2012 11:45am EST  --  Report as abuse
pepnm wrote:

There isn’t any “anti-Gov’t or anti-tax, there is anti Socialism, and by God, that’s the way it has to be.

Feb 07, 2012 11:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Nativeborn wrote:

The headline should be “FBI warns of threat from anti-Communism extremists”

Feb 07, 2012 11:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
longshotlouie wrote:

Vote Ron Paul 2012
Win A Free County!

Feb 07, 2012 12:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
clarkwaxa wrote:

Yes, we must be fearful of “Anti-government Extremist groups” – - like the Catholic Church.

Feb 07, 2012 12:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse

The cause of all of this is the out of control Federal gubmint. Maybe we should address the problem, not the results of the problem.

Feb 07, 2012 12:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Blackls1z28 wrote:

The fact that so many people are seeing the BS through this so called ‘reporting’ is nice to see. There is still hope for this great country.

Feb 07, 2012 12:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MajorVariola2 wrote:

This is old news. Must be a slow news day. Or the Herders feel
a need to instill Fear into their livestock.

Feb 07, 2012 12:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I guess if you support the constitution and the rule of law you are considered “extremist” to this administration.

Feb 07, 2012 12:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Nullcorp wrote:

The Redcoats are coming?

Feb 07, 2012 12:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JohnInKansas wrote:

Re …

“We thought it was important to increase the visibility of the threat with state and local law enforcement,” he said.

Are these the same federal government offiials that demand that local law enforcement keep their distance from illegal immigrants? Are these the same federal government officials that insist that illegal immigration is a federal issue and NOT a local issue?

The Obama administration is the most divisive in modern history.

Feb 07, 2012 12:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
hippediva wrote:

Are the Feds having trouble finding something to do with themselves these days?

Feb 07, 2012 12:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
andreew wrote:

Wow an increase in prosecutions from 10 to 18…A real crime wave…

Feb 07, 2012 12:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JohnInKansas wrote:

This is absolutely frightening.

Feb 07, 2012 12:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
dgatch wrote:

V quote:

(Just replace High Chancellor with Obama….)
“There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now orders are being shouted into telephones and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there?
Cruelty and injustice…intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance, coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable. But again, truth be told…if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.
I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War. Terror. Disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you and in your panic, you turned to the now High Chancellor Adam Sutler. He promised you order. He promised you peace. And all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.”

Feb 07, 2012 12:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

barry would have had the Founding Fathers of America assassinated for their ‘extremist views’. The great individuals that signed their name to both the Constitution of the United States of America AND the Declaration of Independence were BOTH anti-tax AND armed ‘extremists’.

Read American history at all? Was not America born from the ashes of violent, armed revolt against the British Throne? Did not the Founding Fathers refuse to pay taxes?

Believe me, dear Sir: there is not in the British empire a man who more cordially loves a union with Great Britain than I do. But, by the God that made me, I will cease to exist before I yield to a connection on such terms as the British Parliament propose; and in this, I think I speak the sentiments of America.

—Thomas Jefferson, November 29, 1775

Feb 07, 2012 12:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
observer2112 wrote:

Showing up in riot gear to a peaceful protest and this. This is how you provoke a fight.

Feb 07, 2012 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse

All US citizens are sovereign citizens. Our authority is not a gift from the government but exists as a natural right. I have served with honor and even distinction in two wars and as a US Marshal and am a law-abiding citizen. I am a sovereign citizen and am not a threat to a lawful government. I consider this statement an insult to me and all of my fellow citizens. Taking two or three isolated incidents and indicting a population from an agency (DOJ) and a government which ignores frequent violent, illegal action by Blacks while defaming citizens is in itself an incitement to violence. A former friend and admirer of the FBI – Reis Kash, Springfield, Oregon

Feb 07, 2012 12:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JimSizer wrote:

The Federal Govt. is the Threat, they have created a brown shirt goon squad that is putting their hands down your families pants and call it the TSA.

Feb 07, 2012 12:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Carl38 wrote:

The Fumbling Bumbling Idiots as they are sometimes called have their own set of codes that they live under, of which have no righteous end. These constucts are reprobate in nature, that’s sociopathic to you itellectual types. Yes they wil problably find me and send me to a holding facility in some undisclosed location and all my rights taken away because I acted like a free person. When this happens the charge will be for being overly righteous. Guilty as charged! My enternal inheritance will be in His Realm. Johnny, what do we have for the unrighteous? Stay tuned….

Feb 07, 2012 12:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
brisa25 wrote:

The question really falls to the determination of legitimacy. Are the laws brought into existence by our current federal government legitimate? What about laws that directly violate the Constitution? If the Supreme Court demonstrates repeated unethical behavior without accountability, do its rulings have any moral authority?

Do our leaders serve with the consent of the governed? Are they accountable to the voters or to their donors? Can the election system be certified as open and honest?

These are relevant questions that, when answered honestly, tend to leave one disillusioned and cynical. Perhaps that is the point. Violent opposition to the federal government is foolish and counter-productive. If the government is good at anything, it is killing human beings.

Feb 07, 2012 12:31pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ThoughtCrime wrote:

What is interesting is how they try to demonize the term sovereign. Sovereignty is the single most important and central issue to consider when speaking about politics and government.

The sovereign is the ultimate source of power in government. In monarchies and empires, the sovereign is the king or emperor. They alone make the laws because they alone have absolute power.

Privileges are granted by the sovereign to others as he/she sees fit. Note: privileges are NOT rights; a right is something inherent to a human being that is true to their character by virtue of them being alive and created.

Our government is, first and foremost, a republic. By definition, a republic is a state in which ultimate power (SOVEREIGNTY) resides in the people.

Thus, WE THE PEOPLE create the government as a servant to its master – the sovereign people of the United States.

Stupidly, many Americans believe we live in a democracy, which is wrong. This belief reflects a reliance on the talking points of mainstream media pundits who talk about how we are “spreading democracy” around the world. We do not live in a democracy. A democracy is mob-rule, placing sovereignty in the majority, not the minority. A republic protects the will of the minority. The Constitution is all about protecting individual liberty – a.k.a. empowering sovereign citizens – just as State Constitutions declare sovereignty with respect to the Federal Government (see the tenth amendment to the bill of rights).

With this understanding, I’d be happy to declare myself a sovereign citizen because the federal government is a creation of THE PEOPLE, the true sovereigns of this country. I bow to no king, no queen, no emperor!! I am my own king and this is why the Constitution is the single-most important government document ever produced. It turned history on its head – history that is littered with the damage caused by individuals who thought they were sovereign over others.

Feb 07, 2012 12:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JimSizer wrote:

If you pay cash for coffee, that is terror activity.

Feb 07, 2012 12:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Rhetorical question: What is the opposite of “Anti-government extremists?”
Answer: Government Extremists.
Who protects us, from them?

Feb 07, 2012 12:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Riverboy wrote:

This is complete brainwashing. Lets make another crisis so we can again, expand government ! (Better hire a few more FBI guys).First of all, taxes are unconstitutional,look it up. Second, I’ll have to do some research but I sure don’t think it helped this country by going off of the gold standard. And last, I think this marxist administration we have in place now is the biggest enemy to American citizens. We have Obama side-stepping the Constitution eery chance he get. We have the TSA strip searching 4 year old girls and old women, which will continue to happen until they decide to forget about “political correctness” and admit who the enemy really is.
Wake up America, the Revolutionary War was fought for far less !

Feb 07, 2012 12:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Does this imply that every American who disagrees with the government will now be labeled an “anti-government extremist?” Does that also imply that he or she will now be subject to a kidnapping, torture and murder by the military under the new NDAA?

This really isn’t America any more, and to all foreigners I give this advice: stay home; it’s going to get real ugly real soon in this nation once having been a light of freedom and liberty to the world.

Feb 07, 2012 12:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Carl38 wrote:

They are in their back pocket. Sold Out!

Feb 07, 2012 12:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JoeyTranchina wrote:

I think the anti-government extremists are in congress and at the crack-pot fringe of the degenerate Republican Party.

Decision 2012 is going to demonstrate the fact that the American people want government to do many things (minimum universal health insurance for example is a reasonable role for government); we are just demanding that our government do those things more honestly, more efficiently and more transparently.

None of that will happen until we change the laws to make bribery a crime.

Rather that racist** old Ron Paul (who is not really a Republican but is really a Libertarian), it might be smart to support Governor Roemer in the Republican primaries, so that the most important issue of money in politics gets, at least, some mention the debates.

** I once publicly denied that Paul is a racist, but, once the facts are examined, there is no question about it. Dr. Paul has a racist history and embedded racist associations including meetings with White Supremacist supporters. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

Feb 07, 2012 12:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SketchCat wrote:

I’m socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I fear the government under either side of the spectrum is delaying the inevitable and dumping all over the constitution. Remember if the time comes, it’s not about what side of the political fence your on, it’s whether or not you believe in the liberties the constitution provide to all citizens.

Feb 07, 2012 12:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Does this imply that every American who disagrees with the government will now be labeled an “anti-government extremist?” Does that also imply that he or she will now be subject to a kidnapping, torture and murder by the military under the new NDAA?

This really isn’t America any more, and to all foreigners I give this advice: stay home; it’s going to get real ugly real soon in this nation once having been a light of freedom and liberty to the world.

Feb 07, 2012 12:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ian4america wrote:

There is a peaceful, lawful revolution coming to America and the people spewing this anti-American propaganda against Patriots are going to be politically liquidated, that is why they are putting this stuff out.

Feb 07, 2012 12:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BarryOduma wrote:

Oh my goodness, these people are very dangerous…..

Feb 07, 2012 12:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ian4america wrote:

Dissent is terrorism! Anyone who does not believe the things the government tells us is a terrorist!

Feb 07, 2012 12:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
we_the_people wrote:

All malcontents, rouges, and Conservatives are on notice right now.!
You are being watched and you WILL be brought to justice.
This is a call to all Americans who believe that individual freedom is the basis of our government.

Do not cross The One. The United Socialist States of America may be in it’s infancy, but if we work just a little harder promoting polititians like Reed, Pelosi, Obama, Christie, and Romney, we can get there much quicker.

Make your bid.
Just remember, they WILL come for you too!

Feb 07, 2012 12:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
freedomreigns wrote:

FBI…you mean, under Obama. Is any of this surprising? Is it anything other than Obama extremism itself? Look how far this fool will go to get his way – he cooked up Fast and Furious as a means of creating a crisis as pretense for more gun control.
This is ridiculous. An incidence of 10 or 18 crimes in the USA over over 300 million people, somehow associated with “sovereign citizenship” in the FBI statistics, is so down in the noise it is overshadowed by Black Panther interference at the polling stations. I don’t see Obama’s FBI calling out THAT as a particular category of crime.

Feb 07, 2012 12:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
prestorj wrote:

Funny how our government continually see the american people as a threat. I suppose we are a threat to them if we believe in the Constitution and limited government.
Funny how in every terrorist training video put out by nthe govenment the terrorists are pictured as caucasians–not middle eastern looking people. We have become the enemy of this government just by simply believing in our founding documents. We are in deep trouble.

Feb 07, 2012 12:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Maximus555 wrote:

I’m no extremest but I and most of the country would love to see some honesty and integrity in our government. Our system is broken and it needs fixing.

Feb 07, 2012 12:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse

“Constitution1st wrote:
Rhetorical question: What is the opposite of “Anti-government extremists?”
Answer: Government Extremists.
Who protects us, from them?”

Right on! Thank you. I could not have said it better; so concise and so accurate.

Feb 07, 2012 12:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
potatem wrote:

It is very simple. Our government IS the Constitution and the Constitution IS our government. Those who have sworn an oath to the Constitution are bound by and to it. When they speak or act out against the Constitution or constitutionality, they not only perjure their oaths but war against the Constitution – our government. By warring against the Constitution they become our enemies. These are the true “enemy combatants,” “homegrown terrorists,” and “extremists” and include just about all contemporary government employees and agencies. In their attempts to cover up their own belligerence and treason, they try to propagandize us into believing black is white and white is black. These are the people who we must remove, forcibly if necessary, and send off to detention camps indefinitely, without trial.

Feb 07, 2012 12:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Irish4God wrote:

Funny how the article never mentions what the police did to provoke the result of them being shot or whatever. They are always so innocent you know. I live in the Seattle area and we have a Federal investigation of our police department going on right now because they have been filmed or proven guilty in several KILLINGS of innocent people. One was a native american man who was hard of hearing elderly, he was walking down the street minding his own business whittling on a piece of wood. Because he had a small knife in his hand that he was whittling with the police officer pulls over jumps out of his car and follows the guy just a few feet later as you can hear him yelling at the guy to drop the knife 9 seconds after he gets out of his car he opens fire and kills the innocent man. We are not safe on our streets with vigilante police officers who feel when they put on a uniform they are Lords over all. I’m sure there may be a few good officers out there. I fear when Martial Law is declared. That is the end of us.

Feb 07, 2012 12:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
00buck wrote:

When injustice’s become law rebellion becomes a duty.They are the lawbreakers.The people of this country want to live free and in peace but they wont let us alone.They continue to poke at us hoping that they can start a fight so they can say we told you so,people who want to be left alone are dangerous.

Feb 07, 2012 12:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
FrankTrades wrote:

Occupiers

Feb 07, 2012 1:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
brady969 wrote:

The government SHOULD be scared of the people. That’s the way it works. The people should never be scared….EVER! But the reality is American people are scared of their government.

I don’t know about you (the person reading this) but the government scares me.

I welcome the extremists. We need some balance.

Feb 07, 2012 1:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse

You are being put on notice that this article is an official act of violence toward the human race by the largest and most insidious terrorist group ever to occupy the planet. No, there are no sovereign “members” as there is no group. There are 7 billion sovereign human beings on this planet. We are all sovereign under God. The demonic animals who produced this article are terrified of human beings waking up to this fact. Sovereignty is about waking up, not joining. Sovereignty dictates that you harm none or you can expect to be harmed back. Sovereignty requires obedience to God. Therefore, harming another human being will land you in Hell. The terrorists who created this article are the ones who end up in Hell.

Feb 07, 2012 1:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Chrissay wrote:

Hilarious. 46 white collar incidents in three years from these VERY DANGEROUS EXTREMISTS.

Keep ‘em coming, USA.
Unless you hope to keep at least the bottom layer of American dummies taking you seriously.

Feb 07, 2012 1:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
EsmeraldaNV wrote:

I still believe it representative government, however local government here in Nevada continues to hold meetings without quorums and does NOT follow Statutes that all citizenry SHALL follow. I don’t want violence, I want government that works and follows the same rule that I obey?

Feb 07, 2012 1:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JP7777 wrote:

Everyone, except some billionaires, hates taxes. But normal folks could give a rat’s patatooty about ‘regulations’ – - – - so this is total bunk by the ‘fbi’ and its surrogates, the ‘media.’

Feb 07, 2012 1:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse

This is just more of the same anti-conservative flim flam instigated by radical leftists at the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL.

They have thoroughly infiltrated law enforcement at many levels, the most effective being their “siminars” to law enforcement personnel allegedly to “inform,” but are no more than political indoctrination aimed at fooling law enforcement into thinking the opponents of radical leftists are terrorists of some sort.

The great danger in all of this is that jihadists that have infiltrated the US from the southern border and set up jihadist cells are being focused on less and less. Topo, Somalis and other “refugees” consisting of Muslims are free to travel back and forth to the Middle East for jihadist training and return to lie in wait for the most opportune times to commit terrorism. There are MANY sleeper cells in this country, many of whichthat have entered the country legally.

The SPLC and the ADL, comprised mostly of radical leftist Jews, are so out-of-touch and dimwitted regarding global threats it is they that
will be harmed the most by these jihadists, because, being mostly Jewish, they are the mortal enemies and prime targets of jihadists.

This entire affair is just one more sign of a growing dysfunctional society within the American empire that is close to imploding.

Feb 07, 2012 1:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DragonTattooz wrote:

I do not consent to be governed by a bunch of sell-out low-life’s who have been bought and paid for by the private prison industrial complex. Sorry, but if that makes me an extremist, then so be it. I tend to think the extremists are the ones who are trying to subvert the constitution in order to control the populace. I mean, seriously….how “extreme” is it to want to just be free? The other side of the coin is…How extreme is it to want to control people and to force people to think the way you think? I think that is far more “extreme” than simply wanting to be left alone to fulfill the promise of life, liberty and happiness.

I will guarantee you the situation where the 2 cops were shot and killed went like this- They pulled the people over. The people asserted their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS and the police flipped out, forcing the people to protect themselves from the rabid dog police. Police are virtually always the aggressor in these situations.

Also, does it not bother ANYBODY ELSE that police are being trained that people who understand their constitutional rights are to be viewed as terrorists? DOES THAT NOT BOTHER YOU? Understanding our rights should be mandatory as citizens, it should not be viewed as subversive.

This article is propaganda tripe.

Feb 07, 2012 1:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jabowery wrote:

I’ve been one of those anti-government extremists ever since I testified before Congress as the chair of a grassroots organization that got legislation passed to restrict the Federal government’s competition with private technology companies and learned, first hand, just how corrupt the Beltway really is. That was 20 years ago.

This radicalization led me to become interested in what the FBI calls “Odinist groups” during the 1990s. During that time the FBI conducted “Project Megiddo” warning that “Odinist” “extremists” like myself would stage some big terrorist event at the turn of the millennium. They did this a year or two after I had been warning of a turn of the millennium false flag terrorist operation by Jewish interests in the US which I called a “Jewish-inspired Reichstag”.

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/project_megiddo_or_why_james_bowery_should_run_the_fbi/

The anti-American extremists are in control of the FBI.

Feb 07, 2012 1:19pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TrickJames wrote:

I don’t know about the sovereign citizens but from what I read It makes me wonder if the FBI, TSA, and Homeland Security and Law Enforcement in general are constructs of the federal government which seems to be a separate entity unto itself that is against and hell bent to terrorize the people of this great nation. I wonder out loud if we need to fear our big brother tyrannical government more than militant Islam?

Feb 07, 2012 1:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TrickJames wrote:

I don’t know about the sovereign citizens but from what I read It makes me wonder if the FBI, TSA, and Homeland Security and Law Enforcement in general are constructs of the federal government which seems to be a separate entity unto itself that is against and hell bent to terrorize the people of this great nation. I wonder out loud if we need to fear our big brother tyrannical government more than militant Islam?

Feb 07, 2012 1:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
chrisweidner wrote:

Are they more afraid of terrorist or the masses waking up. America is not the home of the free and home of the brave it is the home of the fee and home of the slave. I don’t believe in violence this is what they want. I believe in non – acquiescence. They are getting so desperate because so many of us are waking up.

Feb 07, 2012 1:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gossom wrote:

Our system of government is now a joke and doesn’t represent the people anymore so is it any surprise? No. Americans are tired of this and more and more feel a need to take matters into their own hands. A 2nd American Revolutionary War is brewing.

Feb 07, 2012 1:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
zacharycoons wrote:

More people are killed by police each year then police killed by citizens.

Feb 07, 2012 1:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DukeofEarl wrote:

Just like Assad of Syria, the Federal Government will try to hold onto the power it has at all cost. Anyone who is suspected “anti-current government” will be made out to be the bad guy eventhought they desire a more correct government. To that end, who is the enemy?, the will of the people or the Government….”–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ” –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

Feb 07, 2012 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dunnyveg wrote:

“Routine encounters with police CAN turn violent “at the drop of a hat,”

It’s curious as to why the Occupy movement hasn’t received similar scrutiny. Unlike the “rightwing extremists” who CAN turn violent, the Occupy movement already IS violent.

I just don’t understand why Americans put up with these outrageous double standards.

Feb 07, 2012 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
gossom wrote:

Our system of government is now a joke and doesn’t represent the people anymore so is it any surprise? No. Americans are tired of this and more and more feel a need to take matters into their own hands. A 2nd American Revolutionary War is brewing.

Feb 07, 2012 1:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
PhilOssofer wrote:

Actually the issue is extremists opposed to taxes and regulations recognize a growing threat from local law enforcement officers

Feb 07, 2012 1:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DragonTattooz wrote:

libertarian4339…Yes, it was those leftist commies who gave us the glorious Patriot Act, TSA and Homeland Security….er, wait, that was the rightist fascists.

GET OUT OF THE LEFT-RIGHT PARADIGM!!!! The whole left-right BS is just propaganda to keep us fighting while they steal us blind and erode our rights.

It’s us against them, not us against us. As long as we fight amongst ourselves, they laugh at us and call us fools.

Feb 07, 2012 1:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Statistician wrote:

Many comments here seem a bit over the top in terms of paranoia. The truth is that we have been through this before. The militia movement of the early 90s comes to mind, the radical left in the Vietnam era, and certainly the Klan in the 60s – all felt the government was a beast that should be stopped.

I cannot agree with the anti-government rhetoric here. I suspect most of these voices were silent in the early months of 2002 when fear swept our country.

All these cries of Marxism or of the “takeover” of the healthcare industry or even the variations on Obama’s name just seem like so much wasted rage and it usually is accompanied by a sense of victimhood. I fear that if we continue to demonize those who disagree with us, we ourselves – not any political party – will destroy this country by making it impossible to do what a world power needs to do to keep growing and building. We will wallow in our own paranoia and self-pity.

Feb 07, 2012 1:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cordsig79 wrote:

300 million people in America………and how many of these incidents are there? We are investigating on a national level with tons of resources being thrown at it? (“Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.”)

Shouldnt the local sheriff be requested and funded a portion of what we would pay a full time agent to investigate and deal with on a regional basis?

This is just another fear tactict by an ad money hungry media entity trying to promote fear for profit, and a government just does not get it…..they are too big, overlappng, and inefficent.

Feb 07, 2012 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Dunnyveg wrote:

“Routine encounters with police CAN turn violent “at the drop of a hat,”

It’s curious as to why the Occupy movement hasn’t received similar scrutiny. Unlike the “rightwing extremists” who CAN turn violent, the Occupy movement already IS violent.

I just don’t understand why Americans put up with these outrageous double standards.

Feb 07, 2012 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse

This is nothing but a scare tactic and they are preparing to set-up American’s in order to have an excuse for rounding people up.Let’s not forget that it was the FBI who hired radio host Hal Turner spew racist neo-nazi propaganda on the radio in order to recruit weak minded idiots so they could violently go after judges. This is the FBI’s motis operandi.

What the FBI fails to realize is that they are declaring war on 90 percent of Americans and Americans aren’t simply going to sit down and cower to their criminality.

They are discredited just like the Justice Dept.,the Congress and courts. Why hasn’t anybody in the Justice Dept. been convicted of running guns to drug cartels and why hasn;t anyone from Wells Fargo been arrested for laundering money for the same cartels?

People have woken up and by the comments on this article people are aware of this.

Nice try FBI… your true colors are showing.

Feb 07, 2012 1:45pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Conx wrote:

The “sovereign citizens” actually have a good message. But that, just like anything else taken to an extreme can be very dangerous and inappropriate. I agree with them that the government is too big and they and the police state continually infringe on our liberty and toss out the constitution. But this matter will never be solved by violence, it will only be solved through peacefully raising awareness and voting for good candidates. We need more minds and morals like Ron Paul. Ron Paul 2012!

Feb 07, 2012 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DragonTattooz wrote:

Statistician- Go watch a video of a TSA goon terrorizing an 8 year old, or an 80 year old. Go watch Steven Seagal bust through a house with a tank, killing a pet and terrorizing a family, all with the express consent of the government. Go read the NDAA. Go read the Patriot Act. Go talk to a few people who have been tortured. Then come back and let’s talk about who is paranoid.

I’m sorry my friend, but you need to open your eyes and take a look at the world.

Feb 07, 2012 1:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TeeMR wrote:

This is thought crime. Pure and simple.

Feb 07, 2012 1:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JackiesPaw wrote:

KRT I agree. The Washington marxists are trying to divide us and start an up-rising. With constant attacks on our liberties such as the abortion requirement in Obamacare with the Catholics and support of OWS and articles like this one to scare the folks, these are plays right out of Communist Instruction books. Sad time for American Liberty.

Feb 07, 2012 1:52pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

Tell ME about whose “violent” :

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/north/12006574418493/fbi-targets-wrong-apartment-in-fitchburg-raid/

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-02-01/news/chi-family-says-boy-15-shot-to-death-after-threatening-cutting-police-had-autism-disorder-20120201_1_gilmore-knife-and-officers-autism

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338571/Douglas-Zerby-shot-dead-police-holding-GARDEN-HOSE-nozzle-gun-chief-admits.html

(killed after a neighbor filed a FALSE COMPLAINT which is illegal)

http://www.policebrutalitylawyer.com/police-abuse-videos/seattle-cop-shoots-deaf-man-who-could-not-hear-order.html

Someone want to tell me who the VIOLENT EXTREMISTS are?

State sanctioned MURDER

Feb 07, 2012 1:54pm EST  --  Report as abuse
tctctctc4 wrote:

This is ridiculous. Those so called ‘sovereign citizens’ are the latest generic title, the FBI dreams up to protect gangster banksters who demand higher taxation from an already drained populous. Give me a break! I resent all their propaganda, whilst they let the real criminals take US all down.

Feb 07, 2012 1:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Ranger01 wrote:

FBI warns of threat from anti-government extremists. Is this anyone who is not a Libral?

Feb 07, 2012 2:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ChrisStrunk wrote:

What a crock of ultramontane fascist poop!

The FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, POTUS, Treasury, DHS, DOS, ONI,CFR, are all run by members of the Sovereign Military Knights of Malta (SMOM) who have taken an oath of allegiance to the Pope and are under direct control of the Aragon Templar Black Pope Nicholas.

There are so many Catholic ring kissers in Congress and Judiciary that the rule of law is a bad joke. There are 6 Catholic justices and as many as 7 CFR members of SCOTUS who are in allegiance to one world global governance as was implemented by Fr. Edmund Walsh SJ and Robert Lansing of the treasonous Dulles family in 1921.

That all CFR and SMOM members sware an oath to the Pope, and of those members who are OPUS DEI extremists of the Jesuit run Catholic lay organization as seen in the treason of Robert Hansen and his associates Louis Frei all are the true terrorist extremists intent on the over through of this once Christian Republic.

Reuters historically having been sympathetic to the likes of Hitler and Mussolini have a big problem with individual rights. If the USA has a problem it is a Catholic problem as they are not Christians and are provoking fascism under Georgetown / Fordham Jesuit rule as the tyrannical troglodytes who love big government and subservience to the Pope’s infallibility and global temporal / spiritual power.

God will bless America would men act like men and re-establish the rule of law rather than this tyrannical dictatorship and treason. Only a stiff rope will hold this country together again.

Feb 07, 2012 2:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Jim_Kress wrote:

Now, under the NDAA, Obama can detain and kill you if you:

1) believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.

2) express particular outrage at tax collection

We were safer living under King George.

Feb 07, 2012 2:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Buggin wrote:

“sovereign citizens” Well if that isn’t a oxymoron I don’t know what is.
SOVEREIGN
sovereign,adj. (Of a state) characteristic of or endowed with supreme authority .
sovereign,n.1. A person, body, or state vested with independent and supreme authority. 2. The ruler of an independent state.
CITIZEN
citizen,n.1. A person who, by either birth or naturalization, is a member of a political community, owing allegiance to the community and being entitled to enjoy all its civil rights and protections; a member of the civil state, entitled to all its privileges. Cf. RESIDENT; DOMICILIARY. [Cases: Citizens 1. C.J.S. Citizens §§ 7, 12.]

Would the FBI like some help defining words for them? They seem to be purposely misleading the people. Some may consider that fraud.

Feb 07, 2012 2:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Statistician wrote:

Dragon – thank you for your thoughts (especially since they didn’t open with “you pathetic slimebrain…” or the sort of thing that does show up anymore.) I do completely agree with you that the Patriot Act and especially the NDAA are very troubling. I am trusting that NDAA will get to the courts where some “activist” judge cites the Fourth Amendment to put an end to that silliness.

And, I can recall when the military were running airport security in late 2001, tho’ I think TSA can be pretty obnoxious, as we all can be, at times. (I do travel frequently and have learned to be calmer at airports.)

I don’t understand the Steven Seagal reference … isn’t he an actor?

I also think USAPragmatist had the right interpretation of the article.

I agree with you that fear sweeps the country and strangely, until this Administration, a lot of people wanted the government to protect them even more. (We still can’t close Guantanamo and we don’t even trust our justice system enough to have the public trials that would help us close it. No Congressman will support moving the trials or the jail to mainland US.)

What I suspect is that while we keep up the decibel level, extremism and its reaction will grow on both sides. We are our own government and the frenzy we scream becomes the norm in society. Calmness and civility are the only way out.

I have looked at this world for 60 years and believe that we sometimes see what we expect to see. Regards.

Feb 07, 2012 2:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
stambo2001 wrote:

/lightbulb on

Hey, someone in america should form an American Sovereign Citizens party before the election. The platform could be ‘regime change’ BACK to a Constitutional Republic, harhar.

Feb 07, 2012 2:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
lakeharding wrote:

This is about White Americans and if you for once think it is only 100,000 well I would think again… This is about the Government having an excuse to shutup an entire people because they know we are tired of the whole system. Don’t be scared and continue speaking your mind because they will take all of our rights of we let them, If you believe in America and speak out then you are in this group, well only if you are a White American.. and that is the truth.. just speaking it.

Feb 07, 2012 2:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JRexMurphy wrote:

Reads just like a 1775 Colonial Governor’s report to King George about the “Patriots” in the Colonies.

Feb 07, 2012 2:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
taxpayer1 wrote:

The NYT is as guilty as Reuters in pushing the ‘extremist right’ crap.

‘We the People’ Loses Appeal With People Around the World
By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: February 6, 2012

WASHINGTON — The Constitution has seen better days.
Sure, it is the nation’s founding document and sacred text. And it is the oldest written national constitution still in force anywhere in the world. But its influence is waning.

Feb 07, 2012 2:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse

FBI, I have news for you, we the people will NOT stand by and watch America get turned into another Euro nation, call us extremists but we are the TRUE PATRIOTS. No mopre strippng of our freedoms and activbist judges as 2012 election is the tipping point one way or another. We the people!

Feb 07, 2012 2:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
robertsgt40 wrote:

“Anti-government extremists”–Would that include those that oppose gutting the Constitution in the name of “safety” or question the illrgal wars(with more to come)or challege those who have bankrupted the nation to line the pockets of the banksters? Gee, I wonder what’s next?

Feb 07, 2012 2:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jackaljackal wrote:

Nice ploy. Let’s brand anyone who is vocal about their anti big govt stance an “extremist”. It’s our govt who is the extremist we should be on guard for.

Feb 07, 2012 2:41pm EST  --  Report as abuse
2Confused wrote:

Right, make the American citizens a target instead of the Islamist radicals that want us all dead. Oh, I forgot, that would be politically incorrect. My bad.

Feb 07, 2012 2:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
david5300 wrote:

Headline should read :
Citizens face threat from Extremist Opperessive Government

Feb 07, 2012 2:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BelindaG wrote:

Well, that means everybody I know just about is an “extremist.” Gotta love the way they use these buzz words to try to scare people. I guess the fact that I carry a copy of the Constitution around in my purse means I should be burnt at the stake…

This is just more fear propaganda and the government trying to turn people against one another. When the people finally react to the government taking their liberties, that’s when you see the government getting worried…hence, this article.

Feb 07, 2012 2:48pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Are the scientists at the Los Alamos National Laboratory “Anti-Government Extremists”?

http://www.lanl.gov/news/releases/cheaper-hydrogen-fuel-cells.html

Attempting to suppress the existence of this innovative technology & forcing the USA to remain OPEC dependent is extreme (Obama’s CAFE Standards)is extreme.

Feb 07, 2012 2:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jackbootthug wrote:

So I gues the feds will be going after the OWS crowd the 99%ers.

Obamas a freakin joke

Feb 07, 2012 2:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Chad750 wrote:

Guess what idiots, all that time you thought that Homeland security was for the muslim terrorists, it was for you. Yes you, all of you OWS, all of you Tea Party, all of you who think you will just go along to get along.
Long live the police state.
Although they are right once people really wake up tho the theft that has occured in this country their will be violence against the current gov.

Feb 07, 2012 3:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse

It’s alright,the FBI…you can just call them conservatives. We know.

Feb 07, 2012 3:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ramicio wrote:

The founding fathers certainly would be arrested and executed today. America was sold right back to the royal family and their banks in 1913. The sentence for printing money without authority is clearly written as death.

It’s good to see how many people here are truly awake. We will get our country back!

Feb 07, 2012 3:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ramicio wrote:

FEMA goes around teaching cops and other public SERVANTS that the founding fathers were terrorists. Just a few months ago it was declared that The Declaration Of Independence is null and void. Well, the Brits claim that. I’m pretty sure they didn’t accept that back then, so they brought war to the US. But we were bought back by the Brits in 1913 when the central bank we call the Fed was created, and all our taxes are shipped offshore, most likely to the queen.

Feb 07, 2012 3:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
H.Nelson wrote:

The only threat I perceive would be the ones making the accusations. That would be the FBI, TSA, DHS, and any other federal government agency with 3 or 4 letters you’d like to throw in. Our employees (the federal government) have a serious amnesia challenge to who they actually work for. They fail to remember their power is derived from the Constitution, We The People bestow this power onto the Constitution with the understanding that our employees (the federal government) follow it to the letter and do not break the trust that has been built.

At this time, I see the trust has been broken and the federal government is not doing as it had promised. Employees (elected and NON elected)are not being held accountable for their actions. Those same employees are using their positions of authority (again, derived from the Constitution)for personal and/or political gain and benefit.

All governments have a “survival mode” and will do anything to include incarcerating and/or liquidating their own citizens so they can stay in power and continue the “status quo”.

Feb 07, 2012 3:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JTinCO wrote:

“The extremists may … believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.”

The U.S. went off the gold standard. Debt is now greater than GDP and over 5 times tax revenue. Why is it extreme to think the relationship may be causal? Fools may believe U.S. deficits and debt have no relation to going off the gold standard.

Better an “extremist” than a fool.

Feb 07, 2012 3:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Stormcrow wrote:

Talk about fear-mongering. Romanticizing the gold standard makes you “violent” and a threat… Sounds reasonable enough to me. Oh, wait, aren’t most “extreme” conservatives against war (violent interventionism) and the military/industrial complex alike?

I pay my taxes like anyone else. That doesn’t mean I have to be content with the way things are being run on Capitol Hill.

Feb 07, 2012 3:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jvickers wrote:

“Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said”

Those are some staggering numbers. Thank God the FBI is using it’s time and our tax dollars wisely ;)

Feb 07, 2012 3:37pm EST  --  Report as abuse

I sent an email to the closest FBI office. The following is what I said (edited to remove personal information):

To whom it may concern,

With the real threat of Islamic terrorism within our own borders, with the real issues of gangs (including the recent murder of a peace officer and wounding of two of his compatriots) by a black youth, I am extremely insulted by your recent release concerning “anti-government extremists.” According to your report, since I am apposed to the hefty taxes placed upon our nation by a bloated government, and the draconian regulations that are destroying this nation’s economic security, I am an extremist. I assume that since I am also opposed to the TSA patting down children (such as happened to my daughter when she was six) and strip searching elderly, and treating all of us as guilty as proven innocent, this also condemns me?

Honesty answer me please: when did agencies such as yourselves, the CIA, the NSA (among others) start placing their withering gaze upon this nation’s citizens? Why have you stood by while an illegal president who refuses to enforce the law usurps America?

I am no threat to local law enforcement or law enforcement of any kind. I am a threat to politicians and anyone else who seeks to turn this once great nation into a socialist clone of Europe. My weapons, however, are words and facts which I use to encourage people to vote our nation’s destroyers out of office and to replace them with honest men and women.

As I’m sure that this email will now “flag” me as an “anti-government” extremist, I expect to be investigated by you or another agency, or to be placed in a “watch file.” Thus, to make things easier for you, I will give you my information.

My name is
I was born
I’m a strong conservative who helped organize a Tea Party protest in my town (as opposed to OWS, where rapes, drug deals, defecating on police cars, and all sorts of other related incidents occurred.)
I love my country and have an American flag tattooed on my arm.
I live at:
My phone number is:

I want to know why you are focusing on Conservatives and Christians (as well as former military), yet are playing the PC game and allowing militant Islamists run wild in this country, terrorizing citizenry and politicians alike.

I also want to know if you will honestly examine yourselves and to whom you have sworn allegiance…. to a man or to protect your nation from threats both foreign and domestic.

I will await a reply. I am not sure if one is forth coming. I am, however, very incensed by your agency’s “warning,” and will encourage others to elect a strong conservative to office. And after having done so, to perform some real house cleaning in agencies such as yours where true Americans will replace your Gestapo leaning leaders.

God bless the USA.

Sincerely,

PS – I am honored to count as close friends certain members of local law enforcement agencies. They have never deemed me a threat to them. Why would you consider me as such?

Feb 07, 2012 3:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
muffymodo wrote:

THESE FBI TERRORISTS, THEY ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

The Federal Government and the USSR government are the only governments on earth that ever treated their people as the enemy.

Feb 07, 2012 3:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rlroll2 wrote:

In 2010, according to government statistics, there were 14,748 murders, 84,767 forcible rapes and 367,832 armed robberies in the United States. Government estimates of armed gang members in Los Angeles alone was 132,000. According to the article, sovereign extremists were responsible for 10 crimes in 2009, 18 in 2010 and 18 in 2011. This is a news story; the FBI has issued warning to local police across the country; local police and FBI are clamoring for a billion dollars for training and equipment to meet the threat. This is called “Ruby Ridge Syndrome”. At Ruby Ridge, in the foothills of Montana, an FBI agent paid a man living in a shack with his wife and two children, $700 to saw off a shotgun. When the agent returned with three more shotguns, the man refused to do anymore and the agent left. A few weeks later, 50 FBI and ATF agents raided the shack, killed the man’s wife, son and dog, and arrested the man. The man was charged as a white, extremist terrorist dealing in illegal weapons. He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers. His wife was killed with a bullet between her eyes as she stood on the front porch holding her 18 month old daughter. The agents involved were charged with negligent homocide. A Federal Court through out the charges. Some things never change.

Feb 07, 2012 3:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

@Statistican, The Steven Seagal reference is because he is a Sheriff in some county near New Orleans, and a pretty conservative/aggressive one like the guy in Maricopa, AZ. Thank you for being a voice of reason and reasonableness.

To the rest, what you do not understand is the FBI is saying nothing about ‘sovereign citizens’ expressing their views, where they are concerned is when these type of views lead to violent occurences like the 2 police officers in Memphis that where shot and killed, how about some sympathy for them and their families? Should they be dead and their children, if any, be childless, just cause some crazy person thinks the government is ‘out of control’.

Feb 07, 2012 3:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
fleeceu wrote:

Anti-govt extremist, hell, most of the people now days are anti-govt with this administation. The govt has not got time to follow everyone. This is another con job by the anti-constitution govt.

Feb 07, 2012 3:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
rbblum wrote:

Unfortunately, the argument can be made that the mafia operates in a more honorable as well as a more consistent, efficient and effective fashion than the politicians.

Fortunately, it is still up to the people to remember the US Constitution, free trade of the marketplace and the gold standard.

Feb 07, 2012 3:53pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Apparently the other comment posters are not aware of the “sovereign citizen” movement.
And you thought you knew it all, dang. There’s always search engines.
“Coming to a shoot-out near you” seems to be the general idea.

Feb 07, 2012 3:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
More.Liberty wrote:

The sad fact is that many Americans are happy being sheep, lead around by their masters in the government. As long as you all those sheep to eat, they don’t care.

Are we all not free and independent individuals with our own hopes, dreams, failures, losses, family and friends? Why must we all be put into some collective category? I am not the 1% or 99% – I am simply just me and individual human. It is the government that is extreme, with their relentless war, debt, violations of rights such as the NDAA and Patriot Act 1(Bush) and Patriot Act 2(Obama).

The government consistently isn’t held to account for its actions. Govt agents hand over weapons to drug cartels (Fast and Furious) which end up killing innocent people to include another govt agent and no one is held accountable.

FBI Agents (Barney Fifs) saw through the wrong door, terrorizing a woman and child, after a 2 year investigation. No one is held accountable – no punishment.

The government invades a country under false pretense (WMDs) and no one is held accountable.

$15.5 trillion in debt and no one is held accountable.

Feb 07, 2012 3:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse

No the Government is after all of you!
Sure Obama will go after the Right now but as soon as a Republican takes office he will go after the Left if you give the President the power?
Go ahead give President Obama and the FCC all the power they want I’m sure President Romney will have no problem using it!
And just who decides who is a Extremist The DNC or the GOP?

NOBAMA2012!

Feb 07, 2012 3:57pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mikemiracle wrote:

Dictatorships always fear the people.

Feb 07, 2012 4:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
johnnycu wrote:

This article is BS, it is just the first step into turning local law enforcement into police state capabilities! It also wants to create fear so people will act like like sheep and welcome the militarization of our land. Which is in direct violation of the United States constitution!

Feb 07, 2012 4:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
treborozal wrote:

HALE v. HENKEL, 201 U.S. 43 at 47 (1905)

Learn the laws and your right. You have no rights you dont know or stand up for.

I am a freeborn Sovereign, without subjects, I am neither subject to any entity nor is any entity subject to me.

Feb 07, 2012 4:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AbolishIRS wrote:

My intelligence has been insulted.

Feb 07, 2012 4:26pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jagould wrote:

Glad my tax dollars are going to fund the police state. I feel like becoming a sovereign citizen to spite this clown from the FBI.

Feb 07, 2012 4:27pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Silkster wrote:

The only extremists I see are the extremists embedded into our government. We want it back!

Feb 07, 2012 4:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mz6yx6 wrote:

46 convictions for fraud in three years. What are the national totals? I mean this sound like a lot of effort for very little crime. There has to be tens of thousands of fraud cases a year. The loopy anarchist represent a smaller fraction than the overall population does.
The simple solution is to have a tax which does not rely on a third party for processing. A sales tax and income tax rely on merchants and employers to collect information and taxes. Both can be circumvented, if both people in the transaction agree. What you need is a flat realestate tax based on square footage of land owned. If you don’t pay you loose the land. The government then sells it to get their tax money. On three rates are based on residential, agriculture and business with the highest rate taking priority.
The Fed wouldn’t like this, since tax increases would impact every one (no deduction or exclusions). They would know how much money regardless of the economy they would collect.
This would encourage multigenerational families, since moving out would be tougher. A state could implement this easier, no income taxes or sales tax would encourage brick and motar buisness to stay in the black since Internet buying does not have the sales tax offset to mailing cost.
The purpose of the government is to protect our property. Cash and material goods can be relocated, but if we were invaded we would loose our land property. That is why it should be the thing taxed. Everyone would pay. The cost of goods would have it rolled in and anywhere you sleep would have the cost rolled in.

Feb 07, 2012 4:35pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TimeToReset wrote:

How do we become a sovereign citizen? Obama’s Obamacare effectively raises the income tax for the middle class worker by 30% in the next two years. One way or another Oblame-Ahh is intent on starting a revolution.

Feb 07, 2012 4:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TheNewWorld wrote:

Why doesn’t the FBI do news conferences about violent gangs in America, particularly those comprised of illegal immigrants whose business is bringing drugs into America? It seems that the government is more concerned about themselves than they are the citizens of this country.

Feb 07, 2012 4:38pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Kastanza wrote:

Great article. Funny, no mention of the “Occupy (Bowel)Movment”? I think that they put these radicals to shame at around 18-20 arrests per day, and that’s just in Oakland.

Feb 07, 2012 4:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse

seeing a reference to a kid being killed by a cannister or some such at the oakland site – he wasn’t killed and may have been a victim of friendly fire.

Feb 07, 2012 4:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
romikk32 wrote:

Actually, their attempt to criminalize patriots that oppose their attempt
to repress Americans and the Constitution is crystal clear. Justice is corrupt, the TSA is turning into the early nazi brownshirts, and the local police are angry Americans are starting to see through their cash cow drug war..all commanded from the Obama White House. His utter disdain for law and freedom is apparent and whether he is a forerunner of, and representative of the Spirit of the end times Antichrist,.. or perhaps the man himself…the picture is clear…whenever God Himself calls it,..There is NOTHING left to occur before the Rapture of the Christian church…then it hits the fan. The antichrist cannot be revealed until after the church is gone,..but the stage can be set. YOU NEED to fight this spirit through prayer and opposition to their cause.

Feb 07, 2012 4:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Grog34th wrote:

Why doesnt the government just come out and say it? “If your an American, you are a threat”

Feb 07, 2012 4:50pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Michigan85 wrote:

What complete horse-sh*t!

“Legal convictions of such extremists… have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.”

Holy sh*t! From TEN to EIGHTEEN?! Call the authorities, it’s anarchy!

“We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters”.

INUNDATED? — Dear author, did your third grade child write this clap-trap?

And oh my god, you gave TWO whole examples!

There’s news and there’s a story, and you Mr. West are telling a story. Quite a tall one.

Here’s a lead on a real story: Did you hear the one about the Muslim that tried to blow something up? There’s more than two examples there.

Who’s the real threat? It’s not the ALLEGED ‘extremists’ committing “mostly…white-collar crimes such as fraud”.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Absolutely a pathetic example of what ‘journalism’ has become.

Note that not only am I disagreeing with your article and its premise, I am being directly critical of you, author, for being a tool.

“We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters,” said Casey Carty, an FBI supervisory special agent.

Feb 07, 2012 4:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Our government was founded as a Republic where all the individuals were sovereign. Sovereignty started with kings and emperors ruling over everyone. The Emperor’s word is law. The U.S.A. Constituiton made all people of the USA sovereign. In other words the PEOPLE ruled over the government not the other way around. A government for the people, by the people… now we have traitors who want a one world government. Search you tube: hillary clinton walter cronkite. Their speeches are proof. This is no joke. They say things like: “World government is the answer to peace… (which is a total lie.)and we must take away the sovereignty of nations including America to build a one world government. Watch it, then help America and the world by spreading the news. Total traitors to America. This should not be acceptable to anyone who is a real American (someone who beleives in the constitution).

Feb 07, 2012 5:01pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DonRic wrote:

Are they going after the “occupiers” They are the ones protesting the banks, taxes, etc. (Yet they are behind the candidate that BAILED OUT the banks… they are a bunch of dumbasses..)

Feb 07, 2012 5:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
DonRic wrote:

All this but they can’t … no won’t… enforce a secure border…. what a freakin’ joke

Feb 07, 2012 5:03pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ricknelsen wrote:

Yeah. Pretty sure everyone in the country is a sovereign citizen since our Constitution says we are.

In addition, the government, police included, derive their power from each and every sovereign citizen.

Sovereign citizens loan the power to the government, not the other way around.

Feb 07, 2012 5:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
cdgrant wrote:

18 convictions?

That’s a crisis?

I am confused.

Feb 07, 2012 5:10pm EST  --  Report as abuse
zefal wrote:

Convictions have increased from 10 to 18. Shiver me timbers.

Remember those black panther extremists who were wearing military uniforms and holding billy clubs in front of a polling place? The obama administration patted them on the head and said “good job”. I guess some extremists you just want to hug.

How many ows extremists have been federally prosecuted? Bahahhaha!
That was a rhetorical belly buster.

Feb 07, 2012 5:16pm EST  --  Report as abuse
evillibs wrote:

The U.S Goverment is starting to sound like Irans saber rattling. They see the people want them to do the right thing and they take it as a treat to the regime.

Feb 07, 2012 5:20pm EST  --  Report as abuse
joev163 wrote:

The government owns your entire pay check, and ALLOWS you to keep a certain percentage of it. Think about that for a second, what kind of country are we living in?

I guess the founders were extremeists as well, as they oppossed the very notion of an income tax, and indeed started a REVOLUTION over a tax on their tea. When they used the word “regulation,” it meant “to make regular,” so regulating interstate commerce actually meant, to make regular interstate commerce. Now a days, everyone knows that regulations do the exact opposite of “making reular” by actually restricting whatever is being regulated. This is how perverse our society has become. 1984 has arrived folks, in case you didn’t notice.

Feb 07, 2012 5:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JAYO wrote:

Boy, you read the first three paragraphs quickly and I thought they were talking about the FED member banks. Don’t we wish. Unfortunately no, huh? By the end of the article, anyone who thinks government sod corrupt things are just referred to as “extremists”…no more explanation needed…we are all on board with this theme, right? After all, a whopping 18 people have been convicted for white collar crimes that had thoughts they deemed “extreme” after all.

THOUGHT POLICE….HEEEELP!

Feb 07, 2012 5:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bluscot wrote:

As I read this article, I see the letters FBI morphing into KGB.

Feb 07, 2012 5:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse

They complain about the government but sure use the highways. Lost in space idiots who spill gun oil all over their bibles while dreaming of ambushing a police officer. Little do they know, because they are so ignorant, that all their troubles can be traced to one word – GOP

Feb 07, 2012 5:30pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Thebes42 wrote:

So… let me get this straight.
Our government claims the power to execute anyone it believes is a terrorist, without trial, even in the USA, with drones controlled from thousands of miles away.
BUT… anyone thinking the government is bankrupt is “An Extremist”?

That is really messed up.

Feb 07, 2012 5:32pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mike8888 wrote:

Who could possibly be any more Extreme then the government itself. Here we have 535 people in Congress plus another half a million unelected bureaucrats who impose laws, rules or regulations on 350,000,000 people and they the government call a small group of people who disagree with these laws, rules, or regulations Extreme! That is definately the pot calling the kettle black. Extreme is forcing or using coersion to make little old ladies at an airport strip down naked in order to fly to visit her kids, Extreme is using force or coersion to feel up a small child in order for the child to visit their aunt in another state, Extreme is police forcing their way into your home just to look for a little harmless plant that does no harm to anybody, Extreme is stopping people on the highway and stealing their personal property claiming the property was used in committing a crime with no proof that the crime was ever committed just making the claim. Yet our so-called Government clkaims that people who oppose them are Extreme. What a sad joke our government has become, unfortunately the laugh is on the American people for allowing this to happen in the first place.

Feb 07, 2012 5:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
AJennyPenny wrote:

I see what you did there. ;D http://bit.ly/wcCHyG Oops, this is the internet, and fear propaganda doesn’t seem to work as well where there is free information. We know what’s going on. Seems like the only people afraid of anti-government ideas are the Government.

Well, Duh!

Feb 07, 2012 5:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
1Halo1 wrote:

This ‘sovereign citizen’ business has been around since the ’70s, when people were declaring themselves as such to avoid paying income tax. The IRS rounded up quite a few.
The myth is that you can send off documents to various government departments and declare yourself exempt from US law- people made money peddling the documents. A quick way to find yourself in the slammer.

Feb 07, 2012 5:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
SteveMT wrote:

Who are the extremists, and who are the Patriots?
Jefferson said: “When governments fear the People, there is Liberty. When the People fear the government, there is tyranny.”
This is pure tyranny.

Feb 07, 2012 5:58pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Hairywall wrote:

Look out 99%. Now you enjoy the favor of King Obama, but if you miss step the black boots will be coming for you too, once they’ve finished with the Republican Party members. Well that’s if he’s got a second term. In the mean time a little experiment on the far right.

Feb 07, 2012 6:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
bvit wrote:

If the government stopped taxing so much maybe the citizens wouldn’t be anti govt. If politicians simply honored their oath to office, none of this would be necessary.

Feb 07, 2012 6:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

Heres the core, defining question:

Q: Where did the People ever authorize “government?”

A: In the Constitution(s) (as defined and limited therein)

Q Where did the People ever AUTHORIZE “LAW ENFORCEMENT?”

A NOWHERE

We have British Troops quartered in our homes and towns.

second-amendment.tripodDOTcom

Feb 07, 2012 6:00pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

OMG, look what I found, a link to the Extremist Training Manual on the Internet:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

Feb 07, 2012 6:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Free-Speech wrote:

Remember people, they aren’t people! They’re ‘extremists’!!

Remember that word and repeat this three times –

“Anyone who disagrees with the rules is an extremist!”

“Anyone who disagrees with the rules is an extremist!”

“Anyone who disagrees with the rules is an extremist!”

Good now lets go invade another country and massacre some civillians, remember if theyre not with us theyre against us!!!

As always, thanks for your tyrannical opinions reuters… we’ll be fine without you and your regime thugs i’m sure.. =)

Feb 07, 2012 7:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jimivu wrote:

100,000 more Timothy McVeighs? America had better stock up on sodium pentobarbital.

Feb 07, 2012 7:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NobleKin wrote:

HaHaHaHaHa…Ha…Ha!Ha ha ha ha ha….

So hilarous.

The very folks who decried the Obama association with neighbor Bill Ayers (who sounded just like many on this post when Ayers was a ‘Weathermen’ affiliate) and spew anger and hate at the thought of Ayer’s past rejection and defiance of the US government and President during Vietnam are now cheering against the US government and this President?

You can’t make this stuff up.

Feb 07, 2012 7:46pm EST  --  Report as abuse
NewsDebbie wrote:

They can start with Norquist.

Feb 07, 2012 8:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Math-thew wrote:

A whole 18 cases of white collar crimes in 2011? And they are worried about “us”?

Feb 07, 2012 8:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Roboiii wrote:

“I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!” ~Barry Goldwater (The man who should’ve been president)

Feb 07, 2012 8:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
j4y8 wrote:

Get the US out of America!!!

Feb 07, 2012 9:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
b3ril wrote:

Oh, how quickly everyone forgets about Timothy McVeigh. Do you really think that since he was executed, a whole grain of right-wing extremism died with him?

Feb 07, 2012 10:25pm EST  --  Report as abuse
marc5477 wrote:

I have not a single poster mention the fact that two cops were shot and killed by these violent conservatives. How many cops have OWS killed? None. Another point of irony for all you conservatives. Did you know that the crime numbers of murder and rape by OWS are actually LOWER than that of an equal size area population? Yep, on average, these so called violent people are less violent than you are so how about showing a little humility and less bias. Our normal cities are worse. Last, it seems to me that conservatives are almost always more violent than anyone else in history. Look at slavery, biblical wars, and current countries run by conservatives. They are almost always the source of major violence.

Feb 07, 2012 10:29pm EST  --  Report as abuse
BSresistant wrote:

In case you’ve never heard of Operation Mockingbird, this article would make a great example of the CIA-sponsored pap disseminated by that program. FYI: By their own admission (ages ago), the CIA had over 400 media professionals, in various roles, on their payroll. Who knows how many writers, editors, and news anchors they subsidize today…(?) As for the article content — just a typical hit-piece that stigmatizes anyone who objects to a government that has run amok. Postal employees kill people too; are you afraid of your mailman? ;-)

Feb 07, 2012 11:02pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MakeChange wrote:

oh, and one more thing, the people mentioned in the article are just Obama haters, these people didn’t say much of a peep while Bush was spending this country into oblivion with false wars and massive tax cuts for the wealthy. A black man becomes president (ooooh, scary!) they go off on these conspiracy theories and become psycho. I’ve lost two good friends to the insane obsession that Obama isn’t American. They are so lost and angry acting – of course they watch FAUX news and listen to the idiots lying on AM radio!

Feb 07, 2012 11:11pm EST  --  Report as abuse
MrEthiopian wrote:

The true reason behind the patriot act, sold to Americans as a law enforcement tool to protect us from the Taliban, but in actuality the patriot act is a law to jail patriots.

Feb 08, 2012 3:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
dwyddle wrote:

this is a rediculous cry out for help by the fbl fearing the american people!!!!!

Feb 08, 2012 7:23am EST  --  Report as abuse
dcjones4 wrote:

Sounds like patriots to me

Feb 08, 2012 9:04am EST  --  Report as abuse
BowMtnSpirit wrote:

Based on these comments, 400 of those “extremists” have posted right here. This FBI report is bull, but so is the ignorance of most of these comments. Those who believe that Obama is any different from any other administration we’ve had for the past 30 years, or any we’re likely to have in the foreseeable future, then you are truly clueless. The NDAA was passed by a majority of Repubs in the House, and a majority of Dems in the Senate, and the framework for this unconstitutional abridgment of rights has been laid over decades, and especially by the fascist Patriot Act. What a small small world the ideologues inhabit.

Feb 08, 2012 9:48am EST  --  Report as abuse
Indiana_Dave wrote:

Oh my, 18 arrests per year! I would think that other folks consider themselves “sovereign” or “operating outside the law” too, such as gang members, people who are not even American citizens, robbers, murderers, drug dealers, etc. Why isn’t the FBI focused on them?

Feb 08, 2012 9:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
Indiana_Dave wrote:

Has Eric “Reno” Holder identified the 2012 version of the Branch Davidians yet? If you are a member of a close-knit religious community which believes in the 2nd Amendment, stop reading this and go buy some fire extinguishers a.s.a.p.

Feb 08, 2012 10:02am EST  --  Report as abuse
Indiana_Dave wrote:

@Makechange, above, our attorney general supplied assault rifles to Mexican drug lords so they could be used against Americans. Black or white, he’s a henchman and a cover-up artist. (Further, as exhibited by his kid-glove treatment of the Black Panthers who threatened voters, HE is a racist in his unequal treatment of cases. This has been corroborated by former Justice Department staffers.)

Feb 08, 2012 10:05am EST  --  Report as abuse

@ ALL YOU CONSERVATIVES

I love how reuters call these “extremists” sovereign citizens..
In reality they are disgruntled AMERICANS.
OWS or TEA party isn’t the problem. It is congress, so quit being so ideologically ignorant and see both sides.

Both average rightist and leftists have near the same objectives but differ on social issues like abortion or healthcare, and mainly the economy itself.

HOWEVER, those all can be compromised with an effective government. Which is why there is so much frustration.
OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM IS A FAILURE!

This shows how much it is government against the common person.
We are so polarized that we can’t see the problem that is directly in the middle.

DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE BOTH CROOKS!
Stop letting political ties, WHICH ARE INHERENTLY CORRUPT,cloud your vision. This isn’t a Leftist extremism at all. This is a congress and Capitalist system at its finest, on its way to fascism.

IF ANYTHING, these sovereign citizens do sound like Tea Partyers. Everyone i know that is a right extremist owns weapons and would quicklym and without much antagonisation, use them on police.

On the other hand, OWS members would rather smoke a joint than cause trouble.. Lets be honest..
A bunch of kids protesting for EVERYONE’S rights are not infringing upon democracy whatsoever.

Most conservatives deem OWS as heretical or non-justifiable eventhough they are enacting free speech, which tea partyers seem to compaign for? individual rights? No never, only commies want rights.

Yes, they even protest for you racist Anti-hippy capitalists/fascists.
So let’s set our differences aside and go after congress.. with an approval rating of some 11-20%…

Feb 08, 2012 11:32am EST  --  Report as abuse
24marinematt wrote:

Is this for real? If being against taxes and regulations is being an extremist sign me up!

Feb 08, 2012 11:51am EST  --  Report as abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHAHASHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I just wanted to point something out.

These comments are ridiculous.
Well, not all of them. But many of them condemn the police state were moving toward, at the same time as criticising the people of OWS that are protesting the rule of Government and the economic sysem that allows such crooks to make money off of their immoral actions.

If protesting for free speech and equality involves being tear gassed, arrested, raped, evicted, and beaten then those OWS PROTESTERS are clearly being victimized by a system that does not allow FREE SPEECH.

Rightists should side with OWS instead of essentially fighting against their own cause/movement.

Feb 08, 2012 11:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
BGko wrote:

So basically, people who understand how things work are now a threat to the Federal Gov’t….

“Sir, do you know why I pulled you over, tonight? It appears you’ve had too much to think.”

Feb 08, 2012 12:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Oh no Ron Paul is creating a nation of terrorists!

Feb 08, 2012 12:23pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

@TheNewWorld

“Why doesn’t the FBI do news conferences about violent gangs in America, particularly those comprised of illegal immigrants whose business is bringing drugs into America? It seems that the government is more concerned about themselves than they are the citizens of this country.”

CRITICAL question. Complex answer that revolves around MONEY
(sho-me da MUNNY!!)

Police LOVE criminals. Without CRIME, there are no POLICE (FBI etc..those who un Constitutionally fancy themselves “law enforcement”)

Without CRIME there is no PROFIT for:

*Police
* courts
* scumbags known as Lawyers (wanna hear some lawyer jokes?)
* jails

A 94% recidivism rate and continuing crime PROVES the system is utterly incompetent to,or REFUSES to, stop crime or rehabilitate criminals.

The system exists to MAKE criminals, else there wouldnt be any. Profit either.

Criminals generally play along with the system (theyre occasionally forced to), they and the MONEY they generate are the goal.

These types who profit from Crime DO NOT like any one who resists their god almighty authority (which the Constitution does not grant)
ESPECIALLY someone who is completely innocent when they have to hang some charge on someone to appear to be doing their jobs.

Yes, sometimes criminals use violence (car chases, guns, knives, assault etc) against them,but thats PART OF THE GAME.

When someone whose INNOCENT does so, they cant handle it, for after all, they think THEY are in charge.

That has to change. We the PEOPLE are in charge of this Nation.

Consider:

armed citizens ELIMINATE crime (which is why cops oppose armed citizens, Police are not hired for “public safety”)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1818862/posts

and a case in Oregon where a jaywalker was found innocent of self defence against police assault (broken link but this is where it was)

http://www.publications.ojd.state.or.us/S056404.htm

Heres where the problemin the article is:

A SINGLE instance of assault on some “authority figure” (recalling the PEOPLE are the authority in this Nation) is being used and abused to gin up a lying campaign of suspicion and power grabbing.

If Joe Perp assults a cop, then prosecute him. That has nothing to do with a campaign of “suspicion” except to attempt to turn America into a totalitaritn police state, and its happening mainly via a false flag argument called “radical Islam”

“radical Islam” has supposedly been here since 9-11, why havent “they” done anything”?

The Little Boy has cried “wolf” too many times..

Feb 08, 2012 12:56pm EST  --  Report as abuse
JNabs wrote:

Ha.

An IRS agent goes to steal money from a person who had no choice in entering into a taxpaying agreement, and if the individual believes he owns himself and his money, he is a “threat” to the IRS agent? That’s a tall tale.

Also, that one or two people shooting at cops could be generalized to mean that people who say they are free are violent… is a grand distortion.

Feb 08, 2012 1:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

..and for todays “tell me about “violence”"

http://www.lvrj.com/news/video-shows-officers-beating-motorist-in-diabetic-shock-138901274.html

Feb 08, 2012 2:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

@ Indiana_Dave

Has Eric “Reno” Holder identified the 2012 version of the Branch Davidians yet?

No, but the 2011 winner was the group in Michigan, notice how fast that one disappeared:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Michigan-militia-trial-starts-in-with-jury-picks/-/1719418/8605000/-/tefebp/-/

AND WTF IS THIS?

“Another man said his wife booked a surprise birthday vacation that would be during the trial. He was excused.”

If that isnt corruption I dont know what is. Hen picking the Jury…
Notice no one actually DID anything. But the end has to justify the means, doesnt it?

especially if “evidence” has to be planted or coerced.

Feb 08, 2012 2:42pm EST  --  Report as abuse
mmcaleer wrote:

Mr. Temple, nice try, try harder, take that paycheck, write your propaganda drivel. Your lies don’t work on we the people any more.

Feb 08, 2012 6:51pm EST  --  Report as abuse
GodJR wrote:

You anti-government types are the least American amongst us. Your lack of patriotism is palpable, the added ignorance is just bonus.

Feb 08, 2012 7:17pm EST  --  Report as abuse
second_banana wrote:

That’s right kids, you heard it here first? Do you question government policy? If so, you’re a dangerous extremist! NDAA passed… You would do well to watch what you say in public. (I really hope these paranoid fears are unfounded, but how can we be sure?)

Feb 08, 2012 9:07pm EST  --  Report as abuse
sajin wrote:

Obviously,USA is going night watchman state.
Communism China embrace capitalism,USA is pretty much same political regime.

Feb 09, 2012 12:57am EST  --  Report as abuse
blitzmca wrote:

>>In May 2010, two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers were shot and killed in an argument that developed after they pulled over a “sovereign citizen” in traffic.

Last year, an extremist in Texas opened fire on a police officer during a traffic stop. The officer was not hit.

Feb 09, 2012 9:58am EST  --  Report as abuse
xtofury wrote:

I am a sovereign citizen and I would challenge this crappy government to prove that I am genetically related to the birth parents described on my birth certificate. In my eyes any document that contains false information is unbinding and not the law. Also, in my opinion you can’t revise a fraud into the truth and make it so. I will not live a lie. The price for this government’s services are too high I can do without them. They can keep their new rfid geotracking id’s I don’t want them and they are not mandatory if everybody refuses.

Feb 09, 2012 10:44am EST  --  Report as abuse
Okla. wrote:

Sovereign citizen is a term that contradicts itself. Something or someone soveriegn stands alone and is not a part of any particular system or nationality. To be a citizen is to see yourself as owned by that wich you are a citizen of. I am a citizen of the human race, not some national program that divides me from others. If this is extreme to you….you have been marked with the seal of the beast!

Feb 09, 2012 10:56am EST  --  Report as abuse
Jalek wrote:

Surprisingly enough, these same groups were the most active during the last Democrat presidency. The bunkers, burying firearms in anticipation of a collection, and all of that were part of it then.

Really though, 18 convictions per year and this is a “growing threat”?
Maybe they should get back to their primary job, hunting down kids who’ve copied an MP3.

Feb 09, 2012 11:43am EST  --  Report as abuse
USAPragmatist wrote:

Come on people I want to see 500 comments! You have enough hatred for Obama and the government, I KNOW you can do it!

Feb 09, 2012 4:04pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Obama isn’t the problem. He is a reformer, and probably one of the most educated and well-balanced presidents we have ever had.

However, he is essentially held captive by a polarized congress that turns every step and every decision he makes into propaganda to be gobbled up by angry right wingers.

If you listened to his speeches, his decisions, his policies, and saw his actions without a predetermined bias fueled by Newt Gingrich or his butt-buddy Glen Beck, then I feel that every educated American would understand that he IS THE MOST QUALIFIED for his position compared to the line of jokes called the GOP candidates.

I love seeing righties say “He’s the worst President we’ve ever had!” I also can’t stand the fact that there are people that consider themselves well-informed that are supporting the idea of a policy that is entirely Anti-Obama(Worry about the rest later).
THAT IS UNLESS, Obama is part of the so-called “New World Order.” In which case we won’t know until its too late so your assumptions are baseless..

When in fact, ALL The GOP candidates have ALL shown that they have problems with stepping on their own feet when it comes to; Knowing our own countries allies, knowing simple world geography,having an actual plan besides anti-obama, space structures built on the moon, corruption, money laundering, being an advisor to freddie and fanny (COUGH LOBBYIST COUGH),completely insane foreign policies, and the list could go on for the entire page im sure.

Come on people… How can you support these idiots.. Im 19 and i could lead a country better for god’s sake..

So base your decisions and criticism off of independent facts rather than hatred of the oposing party, or hatred of race, or just plain stupidity.

Think for yourself America… With a level head for once..

BEFORE WE END UP LIKE A CHRISTIAN IRAQ/IRAN/SYRIA/AFGHANISTAN POLARIZED COUNTRY!

its not too late…

Feb 09, 2012 6:39pm EST  --  Report as abuse
shugyo wrote:

Amazing article, truly frightening to see the media positioning taking place with this kind of brainwashing and double-speak. Throughout history, the greatest threat to property, liberty and life has undoubtedly come from governments and those who control it via mercantilism.

Feb 09, 2012 11:24pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Anti corrupt government is who all American citizens should be. We The People will make America America agian. So now we are terrorist if we dont support the Fed? I will die fighting for my constitution unlike our facist presidents that destroy it. Go ahead put me on the list. Yep Im a patriot and believe in freedom and what this country was founded on. Just like Washington and Jefferson were terrorist to the crown you will label anyone who stands for Truth and Liberty a terrorist.

Feb 10, 2012 10:31am EST  --  Report as abuse

Wow wont even post a comment of Truth

Feb 10, 2012 10:34am EST  --  Report as abuse
Darr247 wrote:

“Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations”

In other words, republicans.

@Jalek – it’s “extreme” irony that democrats make them so paranoid when Brady is a republican.

Feb 10, 2012 10:51am EST  --  Report as abuse
markcwells wrote:

I think we were just added to their ever growing list of subversives. I’m not familiar with the “sovereign movement”, but opposition to federal taxes and regulations is fairly common. I doubt anyone I know is going to get in a gun battle with police over it though.

There is a wave of libertarianism in the country. Ron Paul followers are just a small part of it. There is a growing feeling of unrest about the government. I think it primarily stems from the Patriot Act, warrant-less wiretaps, no knock warrants, and other questionable practices by police and government officials. An FBI and law enforcement crackdown on citizens will not improve the situation.

I simply want to maintain our civil liberties and rights granted us under the constitution. If that makes me an extremist, so be it.

Feb 10, 2012 11:11am EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

There seems to be confusion as to what a Sovereign Citizen (SC) is.

Its a parallel (opposite, but not in a conflict sense) to “Constitutionalism.”

The Constitution has been subverted by Congress, the States, the legal profession to be subservient to law. Once that bridge is crossed, Government then seeks to control itself and We the People did not authorize that.

The big error is that many Americans believe, falsely, that the Constipation somehow applies to Citizens.

IT DOES NOT.

The C. does two and ONLY two things (or should not do more):

1.) establish Limited Government of, by and for the People
2.) forbid that government to infringe on Citizens Rights.

The rights are NOT embodied in the Constitution, the C forbids (“shall not…” is not a request) Government to infringe on our Rights.

Thats been subverted. Gun laws are proof, they are completely un Constitutional.

The S.C.ers are based in the Constitution, but view the question, correctly, as THEIR rights which are separate from the question of the C. and Govt.

The police problem and problem with various laws such as traffic rules, is that they are both ABSOLUTELY un Constitutional.

No where in any C are “police” or “law enforcement” allowed.

Which brings the question in the article to the fore front, what about a S.C. assaulting a cop?

Simple, or it should be. The State has deliberately caused a crisis to have a Straw Argument on which to base an expansion of power on.

If Police didnt exist, there would be no assault. Proven in itself- the second party would not exist to be assaulted.

If Citizens adhered to Due Process Rights and respecting others rights, there would be no issue. No need for Police.

If the State respected Citizens rights, there would be no need either.

But people, by nature, are not content with MINDING THEIR OWN F-ing BUSINESS. especially people like Legislators and police who are enamored with their “authority.” It can become a power trip for a petty ego.

If Citizens simply adhered to due process, and if Party A was wronged by B, then A and B can just deal with it as “Citizens” (thats where the S.C. thing comes in). There is no place nor need for a phoney, un Constitiutional thing called “law enforcement”

Government has no authority to force law on people. Thats up to PEOPLE.

The problem has gotten worse when Corporations pretends they are PERSONS (they are not, thats a legal fabrication) and interfere with Due PRocess and Citizens Rights. The worst offender is a City/County etc, as they are INCORPORATIONS, legal fictions, that first pretend to have rights, then second, pretend then to have SUPERIOR rights.

Now youre getting to the core of the SC movement.

Now down to the article and question at hand, assault.

The State is forcing it by harassing and retaliating against Citizens, AFTER subverting the authority of the People.

Its become a self fulfilling psychological spiral (downward) for Government to fabricate some threat to its existance (radical Islam, for example, where and more importantly, WHEN no such threat exists)

Its the “school yard bully” thing, the bully acts to threaten and harass the Nerd, and then plays a mentally deranged game with the Principal by playing buddy-buddy and innocent. The Nerd gets blamed for the bully attacking him.

He started it.

But the sick game is reinforced by a control mechanism (“game” its a psychological term). The game goes that the Principal wants authority and has none, or wants more. The bully is in violation of School rules by assaulting the Nerd, but without the Bully, the Principal has no one to take action against (which is why we see hysterical over grade school students suspended for DRAWING PICTURES of guns).

The Nerd has done nothing “wrong”

So, the Principal has to evade morals and INVENT a wrong, and thats the Nerd kicking the Bully in the crotch to escape being bullied.

Now the mentally ill Principal has not solved a problem, for he DOESNT WANT TO, he WANTS TWO PROBLEMS, because now he has “authority” over TWO individuals, instead of NONE.

And so the sick game goes, Principal (State) CAUSING the problem, deliberately.

Whats the ultimate power trip for a totalitarian State and its police? Its evident in Communist Nations like Castros Cuba, the abiliy to execute people in the streets for simply being dissenters, or for no reason at all. That happened in Cuba during the Revolution as told me by a Refugee.

The real victim (the Citizen) must be demonized into a life and death threat, so the State can rationalise the use of deadly force.

And now that PLAGUE has manifest itself in America by cops killing Citizens in the streets for either no good reason, or in a situation which if done by a Citizen, would be held out as unjustified use of force.

We have PASSED the “communist” point.

Feb 10, 2012 12:36pm EST  --  Report as abuse
daveca wrote:

@cj_james

exactly right, and worse, the 19 year old is a COMMUNIST.

NO where in America are “leaders” authorized.

Thats a Communist term. Kim Jong Il was a leader.

In America, the PEOPLE are to do the leading and Government is to FOLLOW.

Feb 10, 2012 12:43pm EST  --  Report as abuse
TeaBagYou wrote:

Hope they win.

Not a big fan of oppressive paramilitary police organizations. The FBI routinely goes around picking fights with Americans organizations who have done nothing but exercise their rights in sometimes eccentric ways,

It wouldn’t break my heart to see the FBI lose some of those fights and learn some humility.

Feb 10, 2012 1:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse
jim86 wrote:

This “warning” will allow local law enforcement to continue their campaign of terror by shooting and/or attacking Citizens then claim they thought that person had a gun. Murdering citizens under the excuse of law enforcement is going to increase!

Feb 10, 2012 5:15pm EST  --  Report as abuse
ThomasW wrote:

Well, just a couple of notes of sanity:

1) Public healthcare overseas (Canada, Sweden, UK, many European countries) is far more cost-effective & provides better outcomes than the US private healthcare system.

You’d hate for those Swedes to be smarter than you, wouldn’t you?

2) Fast & Furious. Why is this even a talking point? This was going on since the Bush years, at least 3 similar operations during that time. Sure it wasn’t particularly competently executed — but in general, good police work *is* to follow the trail rather than just arrest the low-level fish.

As to Government, let’s have more competence from it. Not loony-tunes ideas to do away with it. Otherwise, who’s going to prevent me from setting up half-a-mile upriver from your house & polluting your water with my abbatoir and cyanide/mercury from my goldmine? Sorry sucker.

Cheers.

Feb 10, 2012 8:47pm EST  --  Report as abuse
Greenspan2 wrote:

The sovereign citizens nutcases have always been around and tend to become more active during times of financial distress. The real threat to American stability has been the corruption and regulatory capture by the FIRE (financial, insurance, and real estate) industries which have threatened not only the world economy but the stability of both American democracy and society. The sovereign citizens are more a of symptom of the real problem.

Feb 11, 2012 9:26am EST  --  Report as abuse
Fiat-Money wrote:

Anti-government extremists warns of threat from FBI

Feb 11, 2012 10:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
NoOneHome wrote:

All Heil the Great Government or you’ll become branded and banished.

Feb 11, 2012 2:34pm EST  --  Report as abuse
anonymot wrote:

What will the crazies in the FBI talk up next?

Feb 11, 2012 2:44pm EST  --  Report as abuse

Obama needs a Reichstag fire to get re-elected. The people must feel fear, emergency powrs granted, and then rally around Our Powerful Leader in November.

Feb 11, 2012 4:06pm EST  --  Report as abuse
HumanFriend wrote:

What I liked most from above posts is…

Rattner219 wrote:
I had a customer in mid 2002, a german immigrant age 85, who picked up and went back home. Her reason? Because she said she had seen all this happen before and she didn’t want to be around for it this time. Then I really didn’t understand what she was on about …. now I think I get it.

I guess, not much happened in 2002 yet, unless she already got (being European) what really happened a year before, as I did :)

But now after most people in America, Europe, Africa and Middle East are made all rather powerless (with no savings as they used to have), it is time for another Hollywood perfect crime to convince all those people that they have no choice but to live another global war.
In 2001, many thousands of Americans were sacrificed to gain the Presidential Veto right (and alike later) and to get unlimited incomes via oil (while running after terrorists and dictators). The sacrifice was huge but its benefits are huge as well, even till our days. So, in your opinion, who do you think were chosen (one or more persons) be the victims for the 2012 sacrifice that will lead the world into a new global war?
Cheers.

Feb 11, 2012 4:55pm EST  --  Report as abuse

During the cold war govt gave and dared not curtail citizen rights
Then the threat ended .. Effectively so did unions
Then came the war on drugs and the US media’s “crack babies” etc. beating the drum .. special prosecuting powers, search and seizure, you were a suspect if you carried too much cash .. citizens allowed the govt excesses and the erosion of their constitutional freedoms by reinterpretation
Then came the “war on terrorism” .. the media beats the drum .. people were frantic .. we will trade anything .. you can torture, that’s OK -Just keep us safe .. go ahead invade to your hearts content.
Now comes the real target all along …YOU !!!
You have NO guaranteed freedoms left .. You can be held indefinitely on secret charges without an attorney without knowing the charge .. this was aimed domestically all along ..as the economy comes crashing down andown and the banksters loot the country -you fall under “The Patriot Act” now. Just suspicion .. better watch what we say now

Feb 11, 2012 8:28pm EST  --  Report as abuse
kochevnik wrote:

So the views people have make them extremists? Or would that perhaps be “informed.” Can’t have informed people running around in dumbed-down police state USA.

Feb 12, 2012 6:18am EST  --  Report as abuse
Btea5503 wrote:

Like the article said, they are warning LAW ENFORCEMENT personnel who might come in contact with one of these individuals! What part of that do you not understand?

Feb 12, 2012 10:38am EST  --  Report as abuse
MassResident wrote:

Sorry, but I have a hard time getting worked up over 10 or 12 guys a year causing trouble when our Congress is repealing Habius Corpus and giving the army the right to imprison us forever with trial or any justification the way they did to all the Americans with Japanese ancestors during WWII.

Call back after constitutional government has been restored to this country. Then we can worry about the rare nut cases when the country isn’t on the verge of economic collapse and tyranny.

Feb 12, 2012 11:53am EST  --  Report as abuse
dwatso25 wrote:

Most everyone that posted on here I think could be considered a “sovereign citizen” extremist by the definition that the FBI has provided local law enforcement. Btea5503 is right it was a message to law enforcement, a message that they have a cart blanc to arrest anyone who does not conform to what is the prescribed opinion the federal government approves of.

I am reminded of Dr. Martin Luther King’s letter form Birmingham jail in which he described himself as an extremist. Is someone like him was a threat to our “liberty” than we are in more trouble from our own government that I realized.

Feb 12, 2012 2:40pm EST  --  Report as abuse
slimj091 wrote:

post a story about conservative extremism and watch the loon’s come out of the woodwork to trumpet copy pasted anti government slogan’s.

it’s almost like clockwork.

Feb 12, 2012 3:14pm EST  --  Report as abuse
duet wrote:

More and more people seem to be leaning one way or the other. Extremism may soon be the norm. If we could have it without the violemce it would be nice but the two go hand in hand.

Feb 12, 2012 7:18pm EST  --  Report as abuse

It’s amazing these government instigators who who go above and beyond the constitution, invade people’s privacy and force unconstitutional mandates on them and when their is push back they label the victimized as dangerous.
The public opinion of the IRS is probably worse than that of the congress. If the public was a wound you idiots in government would be the salt. Get it, got it, good!
http://drinkyourkoolaid.com

Feb 12, 2012 8:22pm EST  --  Report as abuse
J.Rebel wrote:

Incredible! Domestic terrorism by these extremists from 0.00000003% to .00000005% and law enforcement is begging for more help from the FBI. I’ll bet these terrorists may represent the number of Americans who actually think rather than swallow what corporations such as Reuters propagate.

Feb 12, 2012 9:13pm EST  --  Report as abuse
amwiser wrote:

I’d like to actually meet one of these “anti-government extremists” for real. Its like, doesn’t the FBI have a most wanted list of them that we could see a name or some specifics exactly?

Feb 12, 2012 11:49pm EST  --  Report as abuse
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